Re: Softimage Rental?
The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I don't think AD will let that go. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt. > > I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a > lot of men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer > necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might > still make a difference. Or not. > > > > > *From:* Matt Lind > *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? > > > Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation > very well. > > > > To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing > there aren’t as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of > reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re > jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. > > > > If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate > for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *pete...@skynet.be > *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > > > This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other > vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them > to generate revenue. > > Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps > rentals can compensate somewhat? > > > > Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or > selling/licensing parts of software,... > > > > > > > > *From:* Angus Davidson > > *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? > > > > Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that > worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version > rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs > you to work on a older version. > > **** > > One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. > > > -- > > *From:* Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 05:38 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > not seeing Softimage on that list > > > > Rob > > > > \/-\/\/ > > On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: > > So are we going to be getting a rental option? > > http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 > > > > > > This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or > disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. > Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on > behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content > of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may > contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not > necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, > Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are > subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the > contrary. > > >
RE: Softimage Rental?
And if Softimage is a competition, AD would have to improve Maya and 3dsmax that people are still buying it... Naa, to much work... just sit on the subscription... Holger Schönberger technical director The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Marc-Andre Carbonneau Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:16 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Well because then it would become competition again From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson wrote: If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and >nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed
Re: Softimage Rental?
Let's write Adobe to buy Softimage. They are only missing now a 3D software. :P 2013/9/10 Eugen Sares > Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all. > > AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is > going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that > wants to keep a non-profitable product. > But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating > competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think they > would get their 35mio. back). > Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because > Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing... > So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good > for us. Better than nothing... > That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope people > are stupid enough to throw more money in... > > The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open > framework, and leave it's fate to those who care. > > The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really > bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS. > I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies bit > by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing. > > > Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind: > > Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too? > > ** ** > > Here’s to hoping. > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Matt > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ > mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] > *On Behalf Of *Eugen Sares > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > ** ** > > There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also. > Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock. > > What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is > invested as wisely as possible. > Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd > parties to do Autodesk's job. > Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched. > > > > Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau: > > Well because then it would become competition again…**** > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ > mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] > *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic > *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > > > If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that > will actually develop it... > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson < > tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote: > > If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. > I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for > film/advert' any different than in the last few years? > > -Tim C. > > > > On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > > Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that > there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... > > > > *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and > said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of > things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will > develop mainly for games* > > > > From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... > and nothing new really but... > > In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option > and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson > wrote: > > Hi Maurice > > Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your > logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. > Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you > lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future > developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining > what you are currently doing either. > > Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental > options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side > of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none > of that will eve
RE: Softimage Rental?
Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too? Here's to hoping. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also. Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock. What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is invested as wisely as possible. Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd parties to do Autodesk's job. Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched. Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau: Well because then it would become competition again... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote: If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and >nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere
RE: Softimage Rental?
Hi Daniel, No. unfortunately there is no option to convert to a permanent license. It is not really designed as a lease-to-buy plan. Not saying that might not happen in the future but it is not what the plan is today. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Brassard Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:37 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Quick question for Maurice, if you rent over time pass the two year mark, can you then be provided the option to convert to a permanent license? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brassard mailto:dbrassar...@gmail.com>> wrote: The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I don't think AD will let that go. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote: couldn't agree more with your analysis Matt. I don't think AD is reading the situation very well - but who knows... a lot of men-in-suit's necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might still make a difference. Or not. From: Matt Lind<mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Well, if they want to generate revenue they're not reading the situation very well. To use an analogy, they're running a lemonade stand and are realizing there aren't as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they're jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) to accommodate your activities - it comes out of a need from them to generate revenue. Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining - so perhaps rentals can compensate somewhat? Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions - or selling/licensing parts of software,... From: Angus Davidson<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version. One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>] Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. <>
Re: Softimage Rental?
Thanks for clarifying this one Graham. Good that someone from AD kills this rumors. 2013/9/10 Graham Bell > Erm, I'm not sure where that 'source' has come from, but I think some > wires might have been crossed about what was said at this meeting > There was a meeting in London with Softimage customers, back in June. It > was somewhat hastily arranged (but don't read anything into that). The > meeting was not to go into details about roadmaps and future development, > but more to get some direct feedback from customers. Chris Bradshaw (head > of M&E) and Stig Grueman (head of M&E WWsales) were present at that meeting. > > As for the lack of Softimage rental, it's a shame Softimage didn't make > the list, but I understand the reasoning for this. > When you look at the whole Autodesk folio, only a relative small bunch of > products have rental options right now, so it's early days I think. > Personally I would like to see more of our products (including Softimage) > start to offer a rental option, but I don't honestly know if/when this will > happen. > > G > > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic > Sent: 10 September 2013 14:10 > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that > there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... > > autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said > they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, > now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop > mainly for games > > >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I > guess... and nothing new really but... > In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option > and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson <mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: > Hi Maurice > > Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your > logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. > Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you > lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future > developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining > what you are currently doing either. > > Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental > options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side > of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none > of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting > sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point > that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active > subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a > pretty serious problem. > > We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then > disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are > our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to > differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. > The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. > > I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on > the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a > company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first > place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap > that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. > > Anyway thanks again > > Angus > > > From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] > Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > Hi Angus, > You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on > older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into > account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people > want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability > (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to > qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you > prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and > capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we > expect
RE: Softimage Rental?
Core replacement would likely be all or nothing as it would take a long time to replicate all the duties in a new core and get all the bugs out. At this stage of the game, it's deal with it or write a new application. What I'd like to know is why all these studios around the world are being paid visits and given this news while we have been users for many years and need to continue to be users for many more due to technical dependencies and haven't heard so much as a peep from AD. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:54 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all. AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that wants to keep a non-profitable product. But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think they would get their 35mio. back). Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing... So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good for us. Better than nothing... That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope people are stupid enough to throw more money in... The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open framework, and leave it's fate to those who care. The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS. I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies bit by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing. Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind: Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too? Here's to hoping. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also. Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock. What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is invested as wisely as possible. Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd parties to do Autodesk's job. Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched. Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau: Well because then it would become competition again... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote: If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and >nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason).
Re: Softimage Rental?
It would be great. But they have an agreement with Maxon now, so it's like they have C4D 2013/9/10 Emilio Hernandez > Let's write Adobe to buy Softimage. They are only missing now a 3D > software. :P > > > 2013/9/10 Eugen Sares > >> Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all. >> >> AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is >> going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that >> wants to keep a non-profitable product. >> But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating >> competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think they >> would get their 35mio. back). >> Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because >> Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing... >> So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good >> for us. Better than nothing... >> That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope people >> are stupid enough to throw more money in... >> >> The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open >> framework, and leave it's fate to those who care. >> >> The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really >> bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS. >> I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies >> bit by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing. >> >> >> Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind: >> >> Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too? >> >> ** ** >> >> Here’s to hoping. >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Matt**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Eugen Sares >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> ** ** >> >> There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also. >> Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock. >> >> What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is >> invested as wisely as possible. >> Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd >> parties to do Autodesk's job. >> Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched. >> >> >> >> Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau: >> >> Well because then it would become competition again… >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic >> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> >> >> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else >> that will actually develop it... >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson < >> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote: >> >> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it >> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for >> film/advert' any different than in the last few years? >> >> -Tim C. >> >> >> >> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >> >> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that >> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... >> >> >> >> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and >> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of >> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will >> develop mainly for games* >> >> >> >> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I >> guess... and nothing new really but... >> >> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option >> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson < >> angus.david...@wits.ac.za> wrote: >> >> Hi Maurice >> >> Firstly th
Re: Softimage Rental?
Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all.
AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is
going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that
wants to keep a non-profitable product.
But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating
competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think
they would get their 35mio. back).
Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because
Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing...
So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good
for us. Better than nothing...
That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope
people are stupid enough to throw more money in...
The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open
framework, and leave it's fate to those who care.
The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really
bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS.
I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies
bit by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing.
Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind:
Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too?
Here's to hoping.
Matt
*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eugen
Sares
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.
What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources
is invested as wisely as possible.
Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd
parties to do Autodesk's job.
Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.
Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:
Well because then it would become competition again...
*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of
*Mirko Jankovic
*Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone
else that will actually develop it...
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson
mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote:
If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature
as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not
developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
-Tim C.
On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no
matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or
similar...
/autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use
xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the
film/advert side of things, now all development is from a
small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games/
From a source... well someone here probably was on that
meeting I guess... and nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI
rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple
as that.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>>
wrote:
Hi Maurice
Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can
understand your logic, surely there should have been some
explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on
the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your
last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments.
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what
you are currently doing either.
Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from
the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason).
However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only
thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be
good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to
the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move
their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you
have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.
We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and
then disappear then
RE: Softimage Rental?
Erm, I'm not sure where that 'source' has come from, but I think some wires might have been crossed about what was said at this meeting There was a meeting in London with Softimage customers, back in June. It was somewhat hastily arranged (but don't read anything into that). The meeting was not to go into details about roadmaps and future development, but more to get some direct feedback from customers. Chris Bradshaw (head of M&E) and Stig Grueman (head of M&E WWsales) were present at that meeting. As for the lack of Softimage rental, it's a shame Softimage didn't make the list, but I understand the reasoning for this. When you look at the whole Autodesk folio, only a relative small bunch of products have rental options right now, so it's early days I think. Personally I would like to see more of our products (including Softimage) start to offer a rental option, but I don't honestly know if/when this will happen. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 10 September 2013 14:10 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and >nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a ne
RE: Softimage Rental?
Daniel is very correct. Even if Soft is one day EOL it continues to be very valuable to AD$K From: Daniel Brassard [dbrassar...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 September 2013 05:35 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I don't think AD will let that go. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote: couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt. I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a lot of men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might still make a difference. Or not. From: Matt Lind<mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation very well. To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing there aren’t as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them to generate revenue. Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps rentals can compensate somewhat? Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or selling/licensing parts of software,... From: Angus Davidson<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version. One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>] Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily
Re: Softimage Rental?
Quick question for Maurice, if you rent over time pass the two year mark, can you then be provided the option to convert to a permanent license? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brassard wrote: > The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move > buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features > in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I > don't think AD will let that go. > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > >> couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt. >> >> I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a >> lot of men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer >> necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might >> still make a difference. Or not. >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Matt Lind >> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? >> >> >> Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation >> very well. >> >> >> >> To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing >> there aren’t as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of >> reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re >> jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. >> >> >> >> If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate >> for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *pete...@skynet.be >> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> >> >> This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other >> vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them >> to generate revenue. >> >> Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps >> rentals can compensate somewhat? >> >> >> >> Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or >> selling/licensing parts of software,... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Angus Davidson >> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM >> >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> >> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? >> >> >> >> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that >> worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version >> rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs >> you to work on a older version. >> >> >> >> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. >> >> >> -- >> >> *From:* Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] >> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 05:38 PM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> not seeing Softimage on that list >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> \/-\/\/ >> >> On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: >> >> So are we going to be getting a rental option? >> >> http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices >> >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 >> >> >> >> >> >> This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is >> confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or >> disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. >> Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on >> behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content >> of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may >> contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not >> necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, >> Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are >> subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the >> contrary. >> >> >> > >
Re: Softimage Rental?
Thanks Maurice. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Maurice Patel wrote: > Hi Daniel, > No. unfortunately there is no option to convert to a permanent license. It > is not really designed as a lease-to-buy plan. Not saying that might not > happen in the future but it is not what the plan is today. > Maurice > > Maurice Patel > Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Brassard > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:37 AM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > Quick question for Maurice, if you rent over time pass the two year mark, > can you then be provided the option to convert to a permanent license? > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brassard <mailto:dbrassar...@gmail.com>> wrote: > The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move > buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features > in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I > don't think AD will let that go. > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, pete...@skynet.be>> wrote: > couldn't agree more with your analysis Matt. > > I don't think AD is reading the situation very well - but who knows... a > lot of men-in-suit's necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer > necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might > still make a difference. Or not. > > > > > From: Matt Lind<mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > > Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? > > Well, if they want to generate revenue they're not reading the situation > very well. > > To use an analogy, they're running a lemonade stand and are realizing > there aren't as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of > reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they're > jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. > > If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate > for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. > > Matt > > > > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be > <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other > vendor) to accommodate your activities - it comes out of a need from them > to generate revenue. > Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining - so perhaps > rentals can compensate somewhat? > > Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions - or > selling/licensing parts of software,... > > > > From: Angus Davidson<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > > Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? > > Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that > worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version > rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs > you to work on a older version. > > One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. > > > From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>] > Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > > > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > not seeing Softimage on that list > > Rob > > > > \/-\/\/ > On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: > So are we going to be getting a rental option? > > http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 > > This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or > disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. > Only authorised sig
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What is there to understand? Imay be lying but a friend told me about documentary or article about guy that formed AD.. his only and only goal was Money alone. Nothing wrong there but his philosophy is transferred through out AD as complete so there is absolutely no room for nothing else than pure give me more money AD thinks how to makes life easier for users? HAHAHAHHA I had a dream... someone that knows SI really really well.. took basic idea behind it, its strengths and most of all WORKFLOW and made new software around that core with modern tools.. SI for new century not the one stuck at date it was bought by monstrum.. heh.. keep dreaming... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Martin wrote: > That report would make sense if AD would have released Softimage LT, but > they released only MayaLT for the indie/mobile game industry. > > And if that report is true, then SI will be oriented to games only with a > viewer that, if I didn't misunderstood Luc Eric explanation, it doesn't > make much sense in that industry, > > And Maya, well, for everything. Including games. > > And this rental service isn't very appealing even if they would have > include Softimage. The fact that you can only use 2014 make it useless for > a lot of us that are obligated to use a subscription only to use a 3 years > old software. Yeah, that doesn't make sense either. We need more options to > buy, I don't understand why they make it so hard. > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Luca wrote: > >> Yeah, but answering directily to "why Softimage is out the rental plan" >> it's not that difficult to answer, I guess. >> >> And I don't think there is coherency in "...just for suitestesting >> the waters with Max and Maya..." it doesn't make sense. It's obvious >> Softimage is ignored. >> >> So.. WHY?... >> >> >> 2013/9/10 Marc-Andre Carbonneau >> >>> Well because then it would become competition again… >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic >>> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 >>> >>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else >>> that will actually develop it... >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson < >>> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote: >>> >>> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it >>> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for >>> film/advert' any different than in the last few years? >>> >>> -Tim C. >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >>> >>> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that >>> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and >>> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of >>> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will >>> develop mainly for games* >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I >>> guess... and nothing new really but... >>> >>> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option >>> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson < >>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Maurice >>> >>> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand >>> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up >>> front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem >>> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future >>> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining >>> what you are currently doing either. >>> >>> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the >>> rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body >>&g
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That report would make sense if AD would have released Softimage LT, but they released only MayaLT for the indie/mobile game industry. And if that report is true, then SI will be oriented to games only with a viewer that, if I didn't misunderstood Luc Eric explanation, it doesn't make much sense in that industry, And Maya, well, for everything. Including games. And this rental service isn't very appealing even if they would have include Softimage. The fact that you can only use 2014 make it useless for a lot of us that are obligated to use a subscription only to use a 3 years old software. Yeah, that doesn't make sense either. We need more options to buy, I don't understand why they make it so hard. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Luca wrote: > Yeah, but answering directily to "why Softimage is out the rental plan" > it's not that difficult to answer, I guess. > > And I don't think there is coherency in "...just for suitestesting the > waters with Max and Maya..." it doesn't make sense. It's obvious Softimage > is ignored. > > So.. WHY?... > > > 2013/9/10 Marc-Andre Carbonneau > >> Well because then it would become competition again… >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic >> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 >> >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> ** ** >> >> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else >> that will actually develop it... >> >> ** ** >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson < >> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote: >> >> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it >> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for >> film/advert' any different than in the last few years? >> >> -Tim C. >> >> ** ** >> >> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >> >> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that >> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... >> >> ** ** >> >> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and >> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of >> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will >> develop mainly for games* >> >> ** ** >> >> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I >> guess... and nothing new really but... >> >> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option >> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. >> >> ** ** >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson < >> angus.david...@wits.ac.za> wrote: >> >> Hi Maurice >> >> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand >> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up >> front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem >> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future >> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining >> what you are currently doing either. >> >> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental >> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side >> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none >> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting >> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point >> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active >> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a >> pretty serious problem. >> >> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then >> disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are >> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to >> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. >> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. >> >> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on >> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a >> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correc
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But if they (AD) don't think they themselves can make money with it, is not wanting to sell it an acknowledgment that it really could be competition against them? Ironic. I mean, they've stated that Soft doesn't bring in much money for them, compared to the other DCCs. They clearly view it as less than competitive already, so what are they afraid of? ;-) -Tim On 9/10/2013 9:15 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote: Well because then it would become competition again... *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote: If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... /autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games/ From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently&#x
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There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also. Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock. What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is invested as wisely as possible. Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd parties to do Autodesk's job. Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched. Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau: Well because then it would become competition again... *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote: If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... /autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games/ From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currentl
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If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson wrote: > If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it > is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for > film/advert' any different than in the last few years? > > -Tim C. > > > On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > > Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that > there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... > > *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and > said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of > things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will > develop mainly for games* > * > * > From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... > and nothing new really but... > In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option > and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson > wrote: > >> Hi Maurice >> >> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand >> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up >> front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem >> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future >> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining >> what you are currently doing either. >> >> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental >> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side >> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none >> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting >> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point >> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active >> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a >> pretty serious problem. >> >> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then >> disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are >> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to >> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. >> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. >> >> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on >> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a >> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first >> place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap >> that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. >> >> Anyway thanks again >> >> Angus >> >> >> From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] >> Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> Hi Angus, >> You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on >> older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into >> account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people >> want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability >> (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to >> qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you >> prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and >> capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we >> expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start >> somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be >> gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards >> compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. >> However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a >> benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as >> designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued >> but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user >> choses to upgrade >> >> (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be >> read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at >> any ti
Re: Softimage Rental?
couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt. I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a lot of men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might still make a difference. Or not. From: Matt Lind Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation very well. To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing there aren’t as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them to generate revenue. Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps rentals can compensate somewhat? Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or selling/licensing parts of software,... From: Angus Davidson Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version. One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: Softimage Rental?
If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... /autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games/ / / From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time) On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: > Hi Luc-eric > > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, ve
Re: Softimage Rental?
Yeah, but answering directily to "why Softimage is out the rental plan" it's not that difficult to answer, I guess. And I don't think there is coherency in "...just for suitestesting the waters with Max and Maya..." it doesn't make sense. It's obvious Softimage is ignored. So.. WHY?... 2013/9/10 Marc-Andre Carbonneau > Well because then it would become competition again… > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic > *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09 > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > ** ** > > If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that > will actually develop it... > > ** ** > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson < > tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote: > > If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. > I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for > film/advert' any different than in the last few years? > > -Tim C. > > ** ** > > On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > > Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that > there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... > > ** ** > > *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and > said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of > things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will > develop mainly for games* > > ** ** > > From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... > and nothing new really but... > > In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option > and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. > > ** ** > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson > wrote: > > Hi Maurice > > Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your > logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. > Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you > lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future > developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining > what you are currently doing either. > > Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental > options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side > of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none > of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting > sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point > that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active > subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a > pretty serious problem. > > We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then > disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are > our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to > differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. > The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. > > I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on > the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a > company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first > place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap > that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. > > Anyway thanks again > > Angus > > > From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] > Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM > > To: > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > Hi Angus, > You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on > older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into > account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people > want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability > (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to > qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you > prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and > capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we > expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start > somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be &
RE: Softimage Rental?
Well because then it would become competition again... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will actually develop it... On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote: If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years? -Tim C. On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and >nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time) On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote: > Hi Luc-eric > > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be wo
RE: Softimage Rental?
Hi Angus, Mostly this is not intentional. Rental is being launched only for Suites at this point which means standalone products like AutoCAD, Revit and Inventor are not available either. However, we are also in parallel testing the waters with Maya and 3ds Max but Autodesk is not rolling out Rental for all its standalone products at this time. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:00 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time) On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" wrote: > Hi Luc-eric > > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just > to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making > the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not > forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks > will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just > hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just > too great. > > And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the > turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the > additional risk. > > On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This > means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the > only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only > go
Re: Softimage Rental?
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games* * * >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and nothing new really but... In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson wrote: > Hi Maurice > > Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your > logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. > Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you > lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future > developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining > what you are currently doing either. > > Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental > options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side > of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none > of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting > sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point > that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active > subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a > pretty serious problem. > > We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then > disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are > our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to > differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. > The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. > > I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on > the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a > company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first > place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap > that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. > > Anyway thanks again > > Angus > > > From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] > Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM > To: > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > Hi Angus, > You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on > older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into > account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people > want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability > (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to > qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you > prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and > capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we > expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start > somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be > gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards > compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. > However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a > benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as > designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued > but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user > choses to upgrade > > (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read > as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any > time) > > On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" > wrote: > > > Hi Luc-eric > > > > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ > just to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people > making the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you > are not forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very > few folks will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because > it just hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug > is just too great. > > > > And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the > turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant > the additi
RE: Softimage Rental?
Hi Maurice Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are currently doing either. Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem. We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended. I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed. Anyway thanks again Angus From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM To: Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time) On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" wrote: > Hi Luc-eric > > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just > to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making > the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not > forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks > will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just > hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just > too great. > > And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the > turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the > additional risk. > > On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This > means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the > only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only > going to last so long before the competition does likewise. > > Kind regards > > Angus > > > From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com] > Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson > wrote: >> >> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries >> me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. >> Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to >> work on a older version. >> >> One w
Re: Softimage Rental?
Hi Angus, You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time) On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" wrote: > Hi Luc-eric > > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just > to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making > the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not > forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks > will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just > hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just > too great. > > And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the > turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the > additional risk. > > On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This > means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the > only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only > going to last so long before the competition does likewise. > > Kind regards > > Angus > > > From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com] > Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson > wrote: >> >> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries >> me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. >> Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to >> work on a older version. >> >> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. > > Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds > cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation. Only 2014 > SP1 and up can. > = > style="width:100%;"> > > size="1" color="#99">This communication is > intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received > this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the > original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without > the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent > to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus > advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the > University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, > which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the > Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and > outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in > writing to the contrary. > > > > <>
RE: Softimage Rental?
Hi Luc-eric I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just too great. And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the additional risk. On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only going to last so long before the competition does likewise. Kind regards Angus From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson wrote: > > Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries > me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. > Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work > on a older version. > > One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation. Only 2014 SP1 and up can. = This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
RE: Softimage Rental?
Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation very well. To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing there aren’t as many customers when summer ends. However, instead of reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic. If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them to generate revenue. Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps rentals can compensate somewhat? Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or selling/licensing parts of software,... From: Angus Davidson<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version. One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: Softimage Rental?
Other thing that I was wondering if you take a annual rental. Do you pay all at once? Or is break it down in month like Adobe, for a year commitment? Miquel Campos www.miquelTD.com 2013/9/9 Fabrice Altman > Smaller upfront cost. In case of (humm) Maya, you pay $1840/year rental, > instead of $3675 + yearly subs. > > AD are following Adobe like a shadow… > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Morris > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 17:24 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > ** ** > > Those prices have to be a joke surely. Their quarterly prices are the same > as my yearly subs. How exactly is that going to encourage people to rent? > Can only see it being any kind of value for a short term job (couple of > weeks where you need a certain software for compatibility). > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On 9 September 2013 17:05, Miquel Campos wrote:* > *** > > just for fun lets compare https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=offers > > > > > ** ** > > > > Miquel Campos > www.miquelTD.com > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 2013/9/9 Miquel Campos > > I love the super saving (In Maya for example) for 3 month contract you > only save 10$ . > > > > > ** ** > > > > Miquel Campos > www.miquelTD.com > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 2013/9/9 Jeremy Smith > > Yeah.. where is Softimage on that list? I hope we won’t have to hire the > Suite just to get access to Soft… Come on Autodesk! > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sofronis > Efstathiou > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:51 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? > > > > Ahhh – you mean individually – arse….. > > > > Sofronis Efstathiou > > Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director > > Computer Animation Academic Group > > *National Centre for Computer Animation* > > > Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 > > > > Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou > > > Student Work: > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation > > > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My > Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> > > > > > > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] > > > > Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching > > with wide scientific and creative applications > > > > *From:* Sofronis Efstathiou > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:50 > *To:* 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'; 'r...@casema.nl' > *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? > > > > Doesn’t it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite – Premium/Ultimate - > which is $425/525 Monthly? > > > > > > Sofronis Efstathiou > > Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director > > Computer Animation Academic Group > > *National Centre for Computer Animation* > > > Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 > > > > Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou > > > Student Work: > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation > > > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My > Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> > **
Re: Softimage Rental?
This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them to generate revenue. Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps rentals can compensate somewhat? Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or selling/licensing parts of software,... From: Angus Davidson Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version. One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: Softimage Rental?
$1840 for a yearly rental of and individual license of Maya or 3DMax. I'll stay on subscription, thank you! On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson > wrote: > > > > Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that > worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version > rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs > you to work on a older version. > > > > One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. > > Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds > cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation. Only 2014 > SP1 and up can. >
Re: Softimage Rental?
In contrast, it seems Adobe is trying harder to innovate than AD. If AD is following, let's hope they start following in that regard as well. $0.02 On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson wrote: > Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that > worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version > rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs > you to work on a older version. > > One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. > > -- > *From:* Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 05:38 PM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > not seeing Softimage on that list > > Rob > > \/-\/\/ > > On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: > > So are we going to be getting a rental option? > > http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 > > > > This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is > confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or > disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only > authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of > the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this > message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the > personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the > views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All > agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African > Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. > >
Re: Softimage Rental?
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson wrote: > > Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries > me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. > Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work > on a older version. > > One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation. Only 2014 SP1 and up can.
Re: Softimage Rental?
I love the super saving (In Maya for example) for 3 month contract you only save 10$ . Miquel Campos www.miquelTD.com 2013/9/9 Jeremy Smith > Yeah.. where is Softimage on that list? I hope we won’t have to hire > the Suite just to get access to Soft… Come on Autodesk! > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sofronis > Efstathiou > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:51 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? > > ** ** > > Ahhh – you mean individually – arse….. > > ** ** > > Sofronis Efstathiou > > Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director > > Computer Animation Academic Group > > *National Centre for Computer Animation* > > > Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk > > ** ** > > Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 > > ** ** > > Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou > > > Student Work: > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation > > ** ** > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My > Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] > > ** ** > > Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching **** > > with wide scientific and creative applications > > ** ** > > *From:* Sofronis Efstathiou > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:50 > *To:* 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'; 'r...@casema.nl' > *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? > > ** ** > > Doesn’t it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite – Premium/Ultimate - > which is $425/525 Monthly? > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Sofronis Efstathiou > > Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director > > Computer Animation Academic Group > > *National Centre for Computer Animation* > > > Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk > > ** ** > > Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 > > ** ** > > Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou > > > Student Work: > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX > > http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation > > ** ** > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> > [image: Description: Description: Description: > C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My > Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > [image: Description: Description: Description: > http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] > > ** ** > > Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching > > with wide scientific and creative applications > > ** ** > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Nicolas > Esposito > *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:44 > *To:* r...@casema.nl; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? > > ** ** > > Maybe someone need to send an email to Autodesk, in case they forgot that > they acquired Softimage a couple of years ago > > Its amazing and really sad how they don't care about this software > > ** ** > > Anyway a rental option would be nice > > ** ** > > 2013/9/9 Rob Wuijster > > not seeing Softimage on that list > > ** ** > > Rob > > ** ** > > \/-\/\/ > > On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: > > So are we going to be getting a rental option? > > http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > > BU is a Disability Two Ticks Employer and has signed up to the Min
RE: Softimage Rental?
Ahhh - you mean individually - arse. Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director Computer Animation Academic Group National Centre for Computer Animation Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou Student Work: http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation [cid:image001.jpg@01CEAD7C.C6D4D530]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> [cid:image002.png@01CEAD7C.C6D4D530] <http://www.bfxfestival.com/> [cid:image003.jpg@01CEAD7C.C6D4D530] Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching with wide scientific and creative applications From: Sofronis Efstathiou Sent: 09 September 2013 16:50 To: 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'; 'r...@casema.nl' Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Doesn't it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite - Premium/Ultimate - which is $425/525 Monthly? Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director Computer Animation Academic Group National Centre for Computer Animation Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou Student Work: http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation [cid:image001.jpg@01CEAD7C.C6D4D530]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> [cid:image002.png@01CEAD7C.C6D4D530] <http://www.bfxfestival.com/> [cid:image003.jpg@01CEAD7C.C6D4D530] Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching with wide scientific and creative applications From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]<mailto:[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]> On Behalf Of Nicolas Esposito Sent: 09 September 2013 16:44 To: r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Maybe someone need to send an email to Autodesk, in case they forgot that they acquired Softimage a couple of years ago Its amazing and really sad how they don't care about this software Anyway a rental option would be nice 2013/9/9 Rob Wuijster mailto:r...@casema.nl>> not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 [http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] BU is a Disability Two Ticks Employer and has signed up to the Mindful Employer charter. Information about the accessibility of University buildings can be found on the BU DisabledGo webpages<http://www.disabledgo.com/en/org/bournemouth-university> This email is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this email, which must not be copied, distributed or disclosed to any other person. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bournemouth University or its subsidiary companies. Nor can any contract be formed on behalf of the University or its subsidiary companies via email. <><><>
RE: Softimage Rental?
Yeah.. where is Softimage on that list? I hope we won't have to hire the Suite just to get access to Soft... Come on Autodesk! From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sofronis Efstathiou Sent: 09 September 2013 16:51 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Ahhh - you mean individually - arse. Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director Computer Animation Academic Group National Centre for Computer Animation Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou Student Work: http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation [Description: Description: Description: C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> [Description: Description: Description: C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png] <http://www.bfxfestival.com/> [Description: Description: Description: http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching with wide scientific and creative applications From: Sofronis Efstathiou Sent: 09 September 2013 16:50 To: 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'; 'r...@casema.nl' Subject: RE: Softimage Rental? Doesn't it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite - Premium/Ultimate - which is $425/525 Monthly? Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director Computer Animation Academic Group National Centre for Computer Animation Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou Student Work: http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation [Description: Description: Description: C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> [Description: Description: Description: C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png] <http://www.bfxfestival.com/> [Description: Description: Description: http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching with wide scientific and creative applications From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]<mailto:[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]> On Behalf Of Nicolas Esposito Sent: 09 September 2013 16:44 To: r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Maybe someone need to send an email to Autodesk, in case they forgot that they acquired Softimage a couple of years ago Its amazing and really sad how they don't care about this software Anyway a rental option would be nice 2013/9/9 Rob Wuijster mailto:r...@casema.nl>> not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 [http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] BU is a Disability Two Ticks Employer and has signed up to the Mindful Employer charter. Information about the accessibility of University buildings can be found on the BU DisabledGo webpages<http://www.disabledgo.com/en/org/bournemouth-university> This email is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this email, which must not be copied, distributed or disclosed to any other person. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bournemouth University or its subsidiary companies. Nor can any contract be formed on behalf of the University or its subsidiary companies via email. <><><>
RE: Softimage Rental?
Doesn't it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite - Premium/Ultimate - which is $425/525 Monthly? Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director Computer Animation Academic Group National Centre for Computer Animation Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk<mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou Student Work: http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation [cid:image001.jpg@01CEAD7C.A8E25C00]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> [cid:image002.png@01CEAD7C.A8E25C00] <http://www.bfxfestival.com/> [cid:image003.jpg@01CEAD7C.A8E25C00] Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching with wide scientific and creative applications From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Esposito Sent: 09 September 2013 16:44 To: r...@casema.nl; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? Maybe someone need to send an email to Autodesk, in case they forgot that they acquired Softimage a couple of years ago Its amazing and really sad how they don't care about this software Anyway a rental option would be nice 2013/9/9 Rob Wuijster mailto:r...@casema.nl>> not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 BU is a Disability Two Ticks Employer and has signed up to the Mindful Employer charter. Information about the accessibility of University buildings can be found on the BU DisabledGo webpages [ http://www.disabledgo.com/en/org/bournemouth-university ] This email is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this email, which must not be copied, distributed or disclosed to any other person. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bournemouth University or its subsidiary companies. Nor can any contract be formed on behalf of the University or its subsidiary companies via email. <><><>
Re: Softimage Rental?
not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13
Re: Softimage Rental?
This rental approach looks interesting. However, I hope they adopt a more appstore approach for the UK and don't just swop the $ for a £ sign. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rob Wuijster wrote: > not seeing Softimage on that list > > > Rob > > \/-\/\/ > > On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: > > So are we going to be getting a rental option? > > http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 > > > > -- *Greg Maguire* | Inlifesize Mobile: +44 7512 361462 | Phone: +44 2890 204739 g...@inlifesize.com | www.inlifesize.com
RE: Softimage Rental?
Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version. One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all. From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl] Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage Rental? not seeing Softimage on that list Rob \/-\/\/ On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: Softimage Rental?
Those prices have to be a joke surely. Their quarterly prices are the same as my yearly subs. How exactly is that going to encourage people to rent? Can only see it being any kind of value for a short term job (couple of weeks where you need a certain software for compatibility). On 9 September 2013 17:05, Miquel Campos wrote: > just for fun lets compare https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=offers > > > > > Miquel Campos > www.miquelTD.com > > > > 2013/9/9 Miquel Campos > >> I love the super saving (In Maya for example) for 3 month contract you >> only save 10$ . >> >> >> >> >> Miquel Campos >> www.miquelTD.com >> >> >> >> 2013/9/9 Jeremy Smith >> >>> Yeah.. where is Softimage on that list? I hope we won’t have to hire >>> the Suite just to get access to Soft… Come on Autodesk! >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sofronis >>> Efstathiou >>> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:51 >>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Ahhh – you mean individually – arse….. >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Sofronis Efstathiou >>> >>> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director*** >>> * >>> >>> Computer Animation Academic Group >>> >>> *National Centre for Computer Animation* >>> >>> >>> Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou >>> >>> >>> Student Work: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: Description: Description: Description: >>> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> >>> [image: Description: Description: Description: >>> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My >>> Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> >>> >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: Description: Description: Description: >>> http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching >>> >>> with wide scientific and creative applications >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Sofronis Efstathiou >>> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:50 >>> *To:* 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'; 'r...@casema.nl' >>> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Doesn’t it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite – Premium/Ultimate >>> - which is $425/525 Monthly? >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Sofronis Efstathiou >>> >>> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director*** >>> * >>> >>> Computer Animation Academic Group >>> >>> *National Centre for Computer Animation* >>> >>> >>> Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou >>> >>> >>> Student Work: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: Description: Description: Description: >>> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> >>> [image: Description: Description: Description: >>> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My >>> Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_web
Re: Softimage Rental?
Maybe someone need to send an email to Autodesk, in case they forgot that they acquired Softimage a couple of years ago Its amazing and really sad how they don't care about this software Anyway a rental option would be nice 2013/9/9 Rob Wuijster > not seeing Softimage on that list > > > Rob > > \/-\/\/ > > On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote: > > So are we going to be getting a rental option? > > http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 > > > >
Re: Softimage Rental?
just for fun lets compare https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=offers Miquel Campos www.miquelTD.com 2013/9/9 Miquel Campos > I love the super saving (In Maya for example) for 3 month contract you > only save 10$ . > > > > > Miquel Campos > www.miquelTD.com > > > > 2013/9/9 Jeremy Smith > >> Yeah.. where is Softimage on that list? I hope we won’t have to hire >> the Suite just to get access to Soft… Come on Autodesk! >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sofronis >> Efstathiou >> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:51 >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? >> >> ** ** >> >> Ahhh – you mean individually – arse….. >> >> ** ** >> >> Sofronis Efstathiou >> >> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director >> >> Computer Animation Academic Group >> >> *National Centre for Computer Animation* >> >> >> Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk >> >> ** ** >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 >> >> ** ** >> >> Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou >> >> >> Student Work: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation >> >> http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX >> >> http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: Description: Description: Description: >> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> >> [image: Description: Description: Description: >> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My >> Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> >> >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: Description: Description: Description: >> http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] >> >> ** ** >> >> Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching >> >> with wide scientific and creative applications >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Sofronis Efstathiou >> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:50 >> *To:* 'softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'; 'r...@casema.nl' >> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental? >> >> ** ** >> >> Doesn’t it come with the Entertainment Creation Suite – Premium/Ultimate >> - which is $425/525 Monthly? >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Sofronis Efstathiou >> >> Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition & Festival Director >> >> Computer Animation Academic Group >> >> *National Centre for Computer Animation* >> >> >> Email: sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk >> >> ** ** >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1202 965805 >> >> ** ** >> >> Profile: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/sofronisefstathiou >> >> >> Student Work: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/NCCA3DAnimation >> >> http://www.youtube.com/NCCADigitalFX >> >> http://www.youtube.com/NCCAAnimation >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: Description: Description: Description: >> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Pictures\nccalogo.jpg]<http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/> >> [image: Description: Description: Description: >> C:\Users\sefstathiou\Documents\My >> Dropbox\Work_Files\NCCA\VFXandAnimation_competition\BFX_website\BFX_Website\bfx_logo_facebook.png]<http://www.bfxfestival.com/> >> >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: Description: Description: Description: >> http://www.bournemouth.ac.uk/Images/QueensAwardLogo.jpg] >> >> ** ** >> >> Awarded for world-class computer animation teaching >> >> with wide scientific and creative applications >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com >> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Nicolas >> Esposito >> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 16:44 >> *To:* r...@casema.nl; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental? >> >> ** ** >> >> Maybe someone need to send an email to Autodesk, in case they forgot that >> they acquired Softimage a couple of
Softimage Rental?
So are we going to be getting a rental option? http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices
Re: Softimage rental?
Isn't Soft free with Maya now!? Isn't a rental of Maya, in effect, a Rental of Soft!? On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Byron Nash wrote: > I discovered the other day that Maya has a 90 day "rental" for $199. Do > they offer the same thing for Softimage if you install the trial? >
