Re: Your postings...
Trying not to be reactionary regarding this post. Can you please explain what I mean by this? Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint - Reply message - From: Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Your postings... Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 9:42 PM Yeah it seems like the mailing list is showing its tech limits right now. Seems best to keep it as one list. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Raffaele Fragapane [raffsxsil...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... I have mixed feelings about an additional list. On one hand I thought about putting that up for popular vote to see if people wanted to separate all the Maya questions from the actual Softimage focus, I know some do, and there's some merit to a narrow signal. On the other hand, that will be a lot of traffic in months to come, and I'm afraid taking it away from this list will result in it quickly withering down. It's probably worth its own thread, as this one has a marked stench to it due to an unfortunate inception. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.commailto:chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: We want this forum to be the users and hopefully everyone respects each other. I have had lots of private threads where people express concern that this is not the forum they have known for many years and that is understandable given what happened. If people have different reactions to what has happened and will take different paths that is understandable as well. If the forum wants us to create an SI-transition forum where these discussions can continue and this one can be maintained for those people who want to continue to discuss si as it was before we will do that. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Leendert A. Hartog [hirazib...@live.nlmailto:hirazib...@live.nl] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.comhttp://si-community.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Your postings...
I think he is commenting on the bounces (From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]) which I imagine are from the sheer volume of traffic lately. ie if the list server can barely cope with the current traffic any more lists added on the same server is not a great idea On 11 March 2014 12:44, sc...@turbulenceffects.com sc...@turbulenceffects.com wrote: Trying not to be reactionary regarding this post. Can you please explain what I mean by this? Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint - Reply message - From: Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Your postings... Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 9:42 PM Yeah it seems like the mailing list is showing its tech limits right now. Seems best to keep it as one list. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Raffaele Fragapane [ raffsxsil...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... I have mixed feelings about an additional list. On one hand I thought about putting that up for popular vote to see if people wanted to separate all the Maya questions from the actual Softimage focus, I know some do, and there's some merit to a narrow signal. On the other hand, that will be a lot of traffic in months to come, and I'm afraid taking it away from this list will result in it quickly withering down. It's probably worth its own thread, as this one has a marked stench to it due to an unfortunate inception. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.commailto:chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: We want this forum to be the users and hopefully everyone respects each other. I have had lots of private threads where people express concern that this is not the forum they have known for many years and that is understandable given what happened. If people have different reactions to what has happened and will take different paths that is understandable as well. If the forum wants us to create an SI-transition forum where these discussions can continue and this one can be maintained for those people who want to continue to discuss si as it was before we will do that. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Leendert A. Hartog [hirazib...@live.nlmailto:hirazib...@live.nl] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com http://si-community.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
RE: Your postings...
Yeah it seems like the mailing list is showing its tech limits right now. Seems best to keep it as one list. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Raffaele Fragapane [raffsxsil...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... I have mixed feelings about an additional list. On one hand I thought about putting that up for popular vote to see if people wanted to separate all the Maya questions from the actual Softimage focus, I know some do, and there's some merit to a narrow signal. On the other hand, that will be a lot of traffic in months to come, and I'm afraid taking it away from this list will result in it quickly withering down. It's probably worth its own thread, as this one has a marked stench to it due to an unfortunate inception. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.commailto:chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: We want this forum to be the users and hopefully everyone respects each other. I have had lots of private threads where people express concern that this is not the forum they have known for many years and that is understandable given what happened. If people have different reactions to what has happened and will take different paths that is understandable as well. If the forum wants us to create an SI-transition forum where these discussions can continue and this one can be maintained for those people who want to continue to discuss si as it was before we will do that. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Leendert A. Hartog [hirazib...@live.nlmailto:hirazib...@live.nl] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.comhttp://si-community.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! attachment: winmail.dat
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Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Your postings...
WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
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I don't think posting private emails is professional behaviour at all. That said, since it's been put here for everyone to read - it was a polite request that explained the rationale quite well. Given that there is another thread going with people stating that they aren't happy with the way the list is going at the moment, is it unreasonable for Luc-Eric in his role as moderator to write to someone to say could you ease up a bit on the volume of posts? On 9 March 2014 08:51, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Your postings...
Can't say I would have done the same, but I got to say I see where Luc Eric is coming from. Whether people on the list realise it or not, there are some individuals who are on the side of Soft who are being driven away by all the venom and spittle. Maybe it was Luc Eric's place to write that mail, maybe not, I can't decide, but know he's not entirely wrong. On 9 Mar 2014 23:52, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Your postings...
As you said Paul, this post should be private. That's all I am saying. Artur 2014-03-09 14:03 GMT+01:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: Can't say I would have done the same, but I got to say I see where Luc Eric is coming from. Whether people on the list realise it or not, there are some individuals who are on the side of Soft who are being driven away by all the venom and spittle. Maybe it was Luc Eric's place to write that mail, maybe not, I can't decide, but know he's not entirely wrong. On 9 Mar 2014 23:52, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Your postings...
Luc-Eric wrote to him privately, Mauricio then posted it publicly... On 9 March 2014 09:05, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: As you said Paul, this post should be private. That's all I am saying. Artur 2014-03-09 14:03 GMT+01:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com : Can't say I would have done the same, but I got to say I see where Luc Eric is coming from. Whether people on the list realise it or not, there are some individuals who are on the side of Soft who are being driven away by all the venom and spittle. Maybe it was Luc Eric's place to write that mail, maybe not, I can't decide, but know he's not entirely wrong. On 9 Mar 2014 23:52, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
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Sorry Luc-Eric. I thought it was the contrary. My Bad. Artur 2014-03-09 14:08 GMT+01:00 Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com: Luc-Eric wrote to him privately, Mauricio then posted it publicly... On 9 March 2014 09:05, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: As you said Paul, this post should be private. That's all I am saying. Artur 2014-03-09 14:03 GMT+01:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: Can't say I would have done the same, but I got to say I see where Luc Eric is coming from. Whether people on the list realise it or not, there are some individuals who are on the side of Soft who are being driven away by all the venom and spittle. Maybe it was Luc Eric's place to write that mail, maybe not, I can't decide, but know he's not entirely wrong. On 9 Mar 2014 23:52, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure there are lots of people and small studios using illegal AD software (be it Maya, Max or Softimage). This is what you get from being a correct guy ... And that's why I WON'T be using AD software NEVER again. I won't get work? That's okay, there are other types of work ... life is more than work. But it still pissed me off. Autodesk ... come to your senses, let us BUY Softimage until at the least 6 months from now and gives as a discount on that price. I'm pretty sure a LOT of users would purchase it, because we know of the potential. And perhaps, if you actually gave users an opportunity, we could actually transition some day to your other applications. But with what you are doing, I'm pretty sure I won't. Mauricio On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: http://e-roja.com/the-truth-about-softimage-and-autodesk/ --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Your postings...
Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-09 7:12 GMT-06:00 Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com: Sorry Luc-Eric. I thought it was the contrary. My Bad. Artur 2014-03-09 14:08 GMT+01:00 Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com: Luc-Eric wrote to him privately, Mauricio then posted it publicly... On 9 March 2014 09:05, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: As you said Paul, this post should be private. That's all I am saying. Artur 2014-03-09 14:03 GMT+01:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: Can't say I would have done the same, but I got to say I see where Luc Eric is coming from. Whether people on the list realise it or not, there are some individuals who are on the side of Soft who are being driven away by all the venom and spittle. Maybe it was Luc Eric's place to write that mail, maybe not, I can't decide, but know he's not entirely wrong. On 9 Mar 2014 23:52, Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com wrote: WTF Luc-Eric? This attitude drives Autodesk policies I see. Artur 2014-03-09 13:44 GMT+01:00 Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com: Unsubscribing right now. A nice sunday to all. With regards, Maurício -- Forwarded message -- From: Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM Subject: Your postings... To: goneba...@gmail.com Mauricio, your input in a appreciated in some volume, but given that you just have a few months of experience learing Softimage, can you hold back a little bit on posting leave the bandwidth the thousand or so pro users on this mailing list? The mills, animal logic and others are here, there is no need for you to speak for them - this isn't a cgtalk forum with a bunch of hobbyst/daydreamers, this is the real thing! This list is setup for the long time users of softimage. There is already a thread about all the sudden a few people we've never heard about that are coming on the list to vent. Again this list is a THOUSAND members, most of them with 10 to 20 years of softimage experience. We want to hear from them and not have them driven away. On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: Great article Emilio ... I guess what makes more sad is that the only software I ever felt comfortable was Softimage. I've never worked with it on production, I just studied. And now I'll need to learn Maya because the future is Maya? Hell ... I only had the dream of working with in 3D for films because of Softimage. I knew there were studios using it and that maybe I would get the chance to work there. But now ... what's left of a student to do? I could study Max or Maya, put my head down, and work in the industry with this ... but I don't want to. Man, if I had the money RIGHT NOW I would buy the last version of Softimage to continue working in it forever. 3D also needs to be fun and with Softimage it is. So what AD did is prevent me from working with Softimage in the future with movies and it's preventing me from even buying the f*cking software as I needed to gather the money for it in one month That's not fair at all, reasonable, nothing. If I only had more cujones I would use a cracked version of Softimage for the rest of my life and send a f*ck you AD and continue life. It's funny when you want to do things by the book (buying legal software, licenses, etc), you are hurt more than people who simply don't care. I'm pretty sure
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Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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Yeah not really professional to post a private email to the list honestly. This type of behavior is something that has only become more common as more and more people have hopped on the list and there hasn't been a push to keep things professional and respectful over the past few years. People are emotional and motivated by the recent events, but there is no reason to not be professional and respectful at the same time. That's how the list was when I joined and it's how I hope it would continue. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Leendert A. Hartog hirazib...@live.nlwrote: Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog - Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue - Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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Might be an idea to abandon this conversation/thread. Much of what could be added here about the state of the list isn't really directed at the person that started it IMHO. Greetz Leendert Eric Thivierge schreef op 9-3-2014 17:40: Yeah not really professional to post a private email to the list honestly. This type of behavior is something that has only become more common as more and more people have hopped on the list and there hasn't been a push to keep things professional and respectful over the past few years. People are emotional and motivated by the recent events, but there is no reason to not be professional and respectful at the same time. That's how the list was when I joined and it's how I hope it would continue. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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We want this forum to be the users and hopefully everyone respects each other. I have had lots of private threads where people express concern that this is not the forum they have known for many years and that is understandable given what happened. If people have different reactions to what has happened and will take different paths that is understandable as well. If the forum wants us to create an SI-transition forum where these discussions can continue and this one can be maintained for those people who want to continue to discuss si as it was before we will do that. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Leendert A. Hartog [hirazib...@live.nl] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com attachment: winmail.dat
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I have mixed feelings about an additional list. On one hand I thought about putting that up for popular vote to see if people wanted to separate all the Maya questions from the actual Softimage focus, I know some do, and there's some merit to a narrow signal. On the other hand, that will be a lot of traffic in months to come, and I'm afraid taking it away from this list will result in it quickly withering down. It's probably worth its own thread, as this one has a marked stench to it due to an unfortunate inception. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: We want this forum to be the users and hopefully everyone respects each other. I have had lots of private threads where people express concern that this is not the forum they have known for many years and that is understandable given what happened. If people have different reactions to what has happened and will take different paths that is understandable as well. If the forum wants us to create an SI-transition forum where these discussions can continue and this one can be maintained for those people who want to continue to discuss si as it was before we will do that. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Leendert A. Hartog [ hirazib...@live.nl] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:02 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Your postings... Agreed... Emilio Hernandez schreef op 9-3-2014 16:51: Well I read a more unprofessional post of someone telling other one, that he was biased because he was fired from Autodesk. We were all professionals 20 years ago? If fresh blood is coming to this list, in first place to seek help and knowledge, and he gets caught in the middle of this mayhem suddenly he is not able to express how he feels, while the rest of us are doing it? I am not judging, nor I am who to say if it was right or wrong for Mauricio to post a private mail. But he has the right to do it. True is this list because of the events that developed just last Tuesday, has been driven away from its essence. It is normal. Will it ever be the same? I don't know. I hope so. So the people like me, that are staying with Softimage until Autodesk or some one else comes with a better solution for me. That by conviction I will adopt, like it was the case with Softimage 3D and not because I am forced to, can continue learning, sharing and why not? Have a good time with all of you, as we are spread all over the world. And even that I don't know you in person, at this stage I feel I am part of a big family. I never saw Mauricio jumping on threads about tech stuff and start posting out of place. But anyway the tidal wave is settling and after the waters retire we will see what is left. Then we can start bulding again. You can count with my two hands to do so. Cheers! --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Leendert A. Hartog - Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue - Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
