Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
Thank u all. I have increased the heap size memory from 1gb to 1.5gb. Now its java -Xms512M -Xmx1536M -jar start.jar, My cpu load is normal and solr is not restating frequently, My autocommit maxdoc increased to 200. For last 24 hours no issue on load/restarts. Thanks Guys. Kalidoss.m, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Your autocommit settings are still pretty aggressive causing very frequent commits, and that is using your CPU. Yes, splitting the servers into a master and slaves tends to be the performant/scalable way to go. There is no real downside to replication, really, just a bit of network traffic. Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 2:25:05 AM Subject: Re: Solr - Load Increasing. There seems to be some improvement. The writes speeds are faster. Server restarts are lower. We changed the configuration to: 50 1 Before the Change: - Server Restarts: 10 times in 12 hours - CPU load: Average:50 and Peak:90 After the Change: - Server Restarts: 4 times in 12 hours. - CPU load: Average:30 and Peak:~70 Our every day writes are around 60k and reads are around 1 million. We are now changing the MaxDocs to 300 and MaxTime will be 1 ms and hoping to some more improvements. The system configuration is 4GB RAM and 4 core x 2 CPUs. We start the solr (1.3) like this: java -Xms512M -Xmx1024M -jar start.jar Is there any other way we can reduce the high CPU load in the system? Do you guys think that upgrading to 1.4 and having the replication in place with reads and writes split into separate solrs will help? How efficient will the replication be with above mentioned scenarios? Is there any place we can look at for info on the disadvantages of replication... Please help. Kalidoss.m, Tom Alt wrote: Nice to learn a new word for the day! But to answer your question, or at least part of it, I don't really think you want a configuration like 1 10 Committing every doc, and every 10 milliseconds? That's just asking for problems. How about starting with 1000 docs, and five minutes for maxTime (5*60*1000) or about 3 laks of milliseconds. That should help performance a lot. Try that, and see how it works. Tom On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Shashi Kant wrote: I think it would be useful for members of this list to realize that not everyone uses the same metrology and terms. It is very easy for Americans to use the imperial system and presume everyone does the same; Europeans to use the metric system etc. Hopefully members on this list would be persuaded to use or at least clarify their terminology. While the apocryphal saying goes the great thing about standards is they are so many choose from, we should all make an effort to communicate across cultures and nations. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Israel Ekpo wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary
Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
There seems to be some improvement. The writes speeds are faster. Server restarts are lower. We changed the configuration to: maxDocs50/maxDocs maxTime1/maxTime Before the Change: - Server Restarts: 10 times in 12 hours - CPU load: Average:50 and Peak:90 After the Change: - Server Restarts: 4 times in 12 hours. - CPU load: Average:30 and Peak:~70 Our every day writes are around 60k and reads are around 1 million. We are now changing the MaxDocs to 300 and MaxTime will be 1 ms and hoping to some more improvements. The system configuration is 4GB RAM and 4 core x 2 CPUs. We start the solr (1.3) like this: java -Xms512M -Xmx1024M -jar start.jar Is there any other way we can reduce the high CPU load in the system? Do you guys think that upgrading to 1.4 and having the replication in place with reads and writes split into separate solrs will help? How efficient will the replication be with above mentioned scenarios? Is there any place we can look at for info on the disadvantages of replication... Please help. Kalidoss.m, Tom Alt wrote: Nice to learn a new word for the day! But to answer your question, or at least part of it, I don't really think you want a configuration like autoCommit maxDocs1/maxDocs maxTime10/maxTime /autoCommit Committing every doc, and every 10 milliseconds? That's just asking for problems. How about starting with 1000 docs, and five minutes for maxTime (5*60*1000) or about 3 laks of milliseconds. That should help performance a lot. Try that, and see how it works. Tom On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Shashi Kant sk...@sloan.mit.edu wrote: I think it would be useful for members of this list to realize that not everyone uses the same metrology and terms. It is very easy for Americans to use the imperial system and presume everyone does the same; Europeans to use the metric system etc. Hopefully members on this list would be persuaded to use or at least clarify their terminology. While the apocryphal saying goes the great thing about standards is they are so many choose from, we should all make an effort to communicate across cultures and nations. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Israel Ekpo israele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing
Solr - Load Increasing.
Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like autoCommit maxDocs1/maxDocs maxTime10/maxTime /autoCommit Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com
Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com
Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com
RE: Solr - Load Increasing.
Hi, Lakh or Lac - 100,000 Crore - 100,00,000 (ten million) Commonly used in India Sincerely, Sithu D Sudarsan -Original Message- From: Walter Underwood [mailto:wun...@wunderwood.org] Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:22 PM To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Subject: Re: Solr - Load Increasing. Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com
Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.orgwrote: Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com Thanks Walter for clarifying that. I too was wondering what laks meant. It was a bit distracting when I read the original post. -- Good Enough is not good enough. To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift. Quality First. Measure Twice. Cut Once.
Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
I think it would be useful for members of this list to realize that not everyone uses the same metrology and terms. It is very easy for Americans to use the imperial system and presume everyone does the same; Europeans to use the metric system etc. Hopefully members on this list would be persuaded to use or at least clarify their terminology. While the apocryphal saying goes the great thing about standards is they are so many choose from, we should all make an effort to communicate across cultures and nations. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Israel Ekpo israele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com Thanks Walter for clarifying that. I too was wondering what laks meant. It was a bit distracting when I read the original post. -- Good Enough is not good enough. To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift. Quality First. Measure Twice. Cut Once.
Re: Solr - Load Increasing.
Nice to learn a new word for the day! But to answer your question, or at least part of it, I don't really think you want a configuration like autoCommit maxDocs1/maxDocs maxTime10/maxTime /autoCommit Committing every doc, and every 10 milliseconds? That's just asking for problems. How about starting with 1000 docs, and five minutes for maxTime (5*60*1000) or about 3 laks of milliseconds. That should help performance a lot. Try that, and see how it works. Tom On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Shashi Kant sk...@sloan.mit.edu wrote: I think it would be useful for members of this list to realize that not everyone uses the same metrology and terms. It is very easy for Americans to use the imperial system and presume everyone does the same; Europeans to use the metric system etc. Hopefully members on this list would be persuaded to use or at least clarify their terminology. While the apocryphal saying goes the great thing about standards is they are so many choose from, we should all make an effort to communicate across cultures and nations. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Israel Ekpo israele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: Probably lakh: 100,000. So, 900k qpd and 3M docs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh wunder On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: Hi, Your autoCommit settings are very aggressive. I'm guessing that's what's causing the CPU load. btw. what is laks? Otis -- Sematext is hiring -- http://sematext.com/about/jobs.html?mls Lucene, Solr, Nutch, Katta, Hadoop, HBase, UIMA, NLP, NER, IR - Original Message From: kalidoss kalidoss.muthuramalin...@sifycorp.com To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:11:21 AM Subject: Solr - Load Increasing. Hi All. My server solr box cpu utilization increasing b/w 60 to 90% and some time solr is getting down and we are restarting it manually. No of documents in solr 30 laks. No of add/update requrest solr 30 thousand / day. Avg of every 30 minutes around 500 writes. No of search request 9laks / day. Size of the data directory: 4gb. My system ram is 8gb. System available space 12gb. processor Family: Pentium Pro Our solr data size can be increase in number like 90 laks. and writes per day will be around 1laks. - Hope its possible by solr. For write commit i have configured like 1 10 Is all above can be possible? 90laks datas and 1laks per day writes and 30laks per day read?? - if yes what type of system configuration would require. Please suggest us. thanks, Kalidoss.m, Get your world in your inbox! Mail, widgets, documents, spreadsheets, organizer and much more with your Sifymail WIYI id! Log on to http://www.sify.com ** DISCLAIMER ** Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Sify Limited and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, an agent of the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering the information to the named recipient, you are notified that any use, distribution, transmission, printing, copying or dissemination of this information in any way or in any manner is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete this mail notify us immediately at ad...@sifycorp.com Thanks Walter for clarifying that. I too was wondering what laks meant. It was a bit distracting when I read the original post. -- Good Enough is not good enough. To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift. Quality First. Measure Twice. Cut Once.