Re: CVS commit: src/distrib/notes/common

2010-05-09 Thread David Holland
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 03:59:21PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
Update IP addresses (both IPv4 and IPv6) of current ftp.NetBSD.org.

XXX: is it still worth to note those numbers in INSTALL docs nowadays?
   
   It's not uncommon for DNS to not be working in the installer for one
   reason or another.
  
  You mean you install from a remote host on a network without working DNS
  server and without the ability the lookup the IP yourself out of band?
  I don't think the numbers should be present in long term documents.

Yes, sometimes. Not everyone has a roomful of computers, or a roomful
of computers at every location, or a roomful of computers that can
safely be allowed on the internet while you're servicing their
firewall. For example.

If DNS won't go, any IP addresses you need that you failed to write
down before you started the install are a show-stopper; you need to
abort the install, boot something else, and look them up, and
hopefully the old OS still boots.

In principle this shouldn't happen; but then in principle ISPs should
provide working DNS servers, too... they don't always.

I dunno, I think as long as the expected lifetime of the IP address is
comparable to or exceeds the lifetime of the release (which has mostly
been the case in the past) writing it down and hedging it with
provisos is still useful.

-- 
David A. Holland
dholl...@netbsd.org


Re: CVS commit: src/distrib/notes/common

2010-05-09 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 07:26:53AM +, David Holland wrote:
 If DNS won't go, any IP addresses you need that you failed to write
 down before you started the install are a show-stopper; you need to
 abort the install, boot something else, and look them up, and
 hopefully the old OS still boots.

Why didn't you download an ISO image in that case? You know, do a
non-network installation.

Joerg


Re: CVS commit: src/distrib/notes/common

2010-05-09 Thread Izumi Tsutsui
 If DNS won't go, any IP addresses you need that you failed to write
 down before you started the install are a show-stopper;

IMO, most ordinary users recommend DHCP nowadays and
they won't continue installation if they are asked
manual network settings like default route and netmask etc.
before put IP address of ftp is required.

Less maintainance cost is proir to humble completeness, IMO.
(spend your time to update actual docs, please ;-)
---
Izumi Tsutsui