Re: License list navigation menu item removal

2023-05-23 Thread J Lovejoy

I also agree with Alexios' and Steve's comments below!

Jilayne

On 5/22/23 9:55 AM, Steve Winslow wrote:
I agree with Alexios' comments in this thread. I would not be in favor 
of “hiding” the license list in the licensing profile.


I think the SPDX License List is broadly used across the ecosystem, 
including by people and projects who are not creating SPDX documents / 
SBOMs. Having this quickly and clearly accessible is worthwhile so 
that newcomers to SPDX (many of whom, I’m guessing, are encountering 
it through “SPDX-License-Identifier:” short-form license IDs in open 
source project source code) can quickly find and learn about the 
License List.


Jordi, I’ve cc’d you here but you may need to join the spdx-legal 
mailing list in order to receive and send messages. (Apologies if you 
already have! I didn’t see your original message, just Phil’s reply to 
it, so I’m guessing it might not have gone through.)


Steve

On May 22, 2023, at 5:46 AM, Alexios Zavras 
 wrote:


I also disagree “hiding” the license list in the licensing profile.
As Phil notes, the SPDX project produces:

  * the specification;
  * the license list; and
  * the libraries in various programming languages.

Maybe we can have these three as the top-level menus (plus an 
“About”, if needed).

-- zvr
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*Subject:*Re: License list navigation menu item removal
Jordi,
Thanks for putting this idea out before anything is decided. I know 
that we need to move to get the website in shape for the 3.0 release, 
so this is important. I wanted to share with the Legal Team the 
perspective I provided to you.
I could understand reducing the number of menus. And I agree the 
license list and the licensing profile are related. However, I look 
at the License List as an asset produced by the SPDX group similar to 
the spec. I note that they wireframe changes the name of the Spec 
menu to SPDX Project with specifications under that. It seems to me 
that would be the best place to place the license list if we need to 
reduce the number of menus. We toyed with similar structure in the 
past. Of course the LL would be referenced by the page describing the 
profile.

Phil

*From:*Jordi Mon 
*Date:*Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:09 AM
*To:*Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org
*Subject:*License list navigation menu item removal

Hi members of the LC, I'd like to propose the removal of the License 
List navigation menu item and link the pages (License List and 
License IDs) in the soon to be created Licensing Profile 
landing page. In this video I present the case

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Hi members of the LC,
I'd like to propose the removal of the License List navigation menu 
item and link the pages (*License List*and*License IDs*) in the soon 
to be created Licensing Profile landing page. In thisvideo 
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present the case for this and walkthrough the proposed changes in a 
low fidelity prototype. I'd like to know your opinion about this.
Please let me know if this video format makes sense to you or if, 
otherwise, you'd like a written description of the proposed changes. 
The video is set at 1.2x speed but you can change that here:


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Re: License list navigation menu item removal

2023-05-22 Thread Steve Winslow
I agree with Alexios' comments in this thread. I would not be in favor of 
“hiding” the license list in the licensing profile.

I think the SPDX License List is broadly used across the ecosystem, including 
by people and projects who are not creating SPDX documents / SBOMs. Having this 
quickly and clearly accessible is worthwhile so that newcomers to SPDX (many of 
whom, I’m guessing, are encountering it through “SPDX-License-Identifier:” 
short-form license IDs in open source project source code) can quickly find and 
learn about the License List.

Jordi, I’ve cc’d you here but you may need to join the spdx-legal mailing list 
in order to receive and send messages. (Apologies if you already have! I didn’t 
see your original message, just Phil’s reply to it, so I’m guessing it might 
not have gone through.)

Steve

> On May 22, 2023, at 5:46 AM, Alexios Zavras  wrote:
> 
> I also disagree “hiding” the license list in the licensing profile.
> As Phil notes, the SPDX project produces:
> the specification;
> the license list; and
> the libraries in various programming languages.
>  
> Maybe we can have these three as the top-level menus (plus an “About”, if 
> needed).
>  
> -- zvr 
>  
> From: Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org <mailto:Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org> 
> mailto:Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org>> On Behalf Of 
> Phil Odence via lists.spdx.org <http://lists.spdx.org/>
> Sent: Friday, 19 May, 2023 18:34
> To: Jordi Mon  <mailto:j...@contractor.linuxfoundation.org>>; Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org 
> <mailto:Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org>
> Subject: Re: License list navigation menu item removal
>  
> Jordi,
>  
> Thanks for putting this idea out before anything is decided. I know that we 
> need to move to get the website in shape for the 3.0 release, so this is 
> important. I wanted to share with the Legal Team the perspective I provided 
> to you. 
>  
> I could understand reducing the number of menus. And I agree the license list 
> and the licensing profile are related. However, I look at the License List as 
> an asset produced by the SPDX group similar to the spec. I note that they 
> wireframe changes the name of the Spec menu to SPDX Project with 
> specifications under that. It seems to me that would be the best place to 
> place the license list if we need to reduce the number of menus. We toyed 
> with similar structure in the past. Of course the LL would be referenced by 
> the page describing the profile.
>  
> Phil
>  
> From: Jordi Mon  <mailto:j...@contractor.linuxfoundation.org>>
> Date: Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:09 AM
> To: Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org <mailto:Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org> 
> mailto:Spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org>>
> Subject: License list navigation menu item removal
> 
> Hi members of the LC, I'd like to propose the removal of the License List 
> navigation menu item and link the pages (License List and License IDs) in the 
> soon to be created Licensing Profile landing page. In this video I present 
> the case 
> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart
> This Message Is From an External Sender
> Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and 
> know the content is safe.
> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd
> Hi members of the LC,
>  
> I'd like to propose the removal of the License List navigation menu item and 
> link the pages (License List and License IDs) in the soon to be created 
> Licensing Profile landing page. In this video 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.loom.com/share/37baa4c385a24535bd96a57cfffda591__;!!A4F2R9G_pg!fYA7t-8KSbap4bkezRJeJXgtHUi2rKPcampFXQpvzpRUMEGik2zv4B7afux8zZR1_D4RvOkyhV91XgLwTPHC3DWK1CoHrYhK$>
>  I present the case for this and walkthrough the proposed changes in a low 
> fidelity prototype. I'd like to know your opinion about this. 
>  
>  
> Please let me know if this video format makes sense to you or if, otherwise, 
> you'd like a written description of the proposed changes. The video is set at 
> 1.2x speed but you can change that here:
>  
> 
>  
> Best,
>  
> --
> Jordi Mon Companys
> SPDX 
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>  PMM
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> secure. Hosted at the Linux Foundation. Built by a diverse, multinational 
> community. 
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