RE: New License/Exception Request: MIT No Attribution

2018-04-05 Thread Atwood, Mark via Spdx-legal 
Hello J,  

 

While Amazon did create this license, we also found a reference to an even 
earlier identical independent invention of the same license text, and included 
a link to that document.As to why MIT-0 instead of BSD0?, I do not know, it 
was before my time.  There may have been an internal legal committee discussion 
and rationale, but I do not have a record of it if there was.

 

..m

 

 

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From: J Lovejoy [mailto:opensou...@jilayne.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 8:52 AM
To: Dennis Clark <dmcl...@nexb.com>
Cc: Atwood, Mark <atwo...@amazon.com>; SPDX-legal <spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org>
Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: MIT No Attribution

 

Mark,

 

Do I understand correctly then, that Amazon created this license?  

 

While I understand the rationale (as you explained below), which makes sense 
and I can see others having a similar goal. But, I’m wondering why Amazon made 
a new license, instead of using something that reaches the same goal and that 
is already out there, like: https://spdx.org/licenses/0BSD.html ?

 

 

thanks,

Jilayne

 

 

 





On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Dennis Clark <dmcl...@nexb.com 
<mailto:dmcl...@nexb.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Mark, 

There is currently a request for this new license at  
https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/issues/619 

I don't think we have a target date for completion of the request just yet. 

 

Regards,

Dennis Clark

nexB Inc.

 

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Atwood, Mark via Spdx-legal 
<spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org <mailto:spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org> > wrote:

Hi!

* Provide a proposed Full Name for the license or exception.

MIT No Attribution

* Provide a proposed Short Identifier.

MIT-0

* Provide a functioning url reference to the license or exception text, either
from the author or a community recognized source.

https://github.com/aws/mit-0

* Create and attach a text file with the license or exception text from the
url provided.

See attached file "MIT-0".

* Indicate whether the license is OSI-approved (see:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical) or whether it has been
submitted for approval to the OSI and is currently under review.

Not currently OSI approved.  Not submitted for OSI approval. Not currently
under review by OSI.  We may submit this license to OSI for review at a later
date.

* Provide a short explanation regarding the need for this license or exception
to be included on the SPDX License List, including identifying at least one
program that uses this license.

This license has proven useful for code that is intended for developers to use
as reference, teaching samples, examples, or templates that other developers
may modify for their own purposes.
In many of these cases, the initial developer may not want to impose even the
cost of attribution, or the use cases may not be conducive to attribution.
The CC0 and various "do what you want" licenses and various public domain
dedications may be less attractive to the initial developer for various
reasons (i.e., a license is preferable to a public domain dedication). The MIT
license with all the attribution requirement language removed fills this need.

* Identify at least one program that uses this license.

https://github.com/awslabs/awscli-aliases


Thank you!

..m


Mark Atwood <atwo...@amazon.com <mailto:atwo...@amazon.com> >
Principal, Open Source
+1-206-604-2198 <tel:%2B1-206-604-2198> 



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Re: New License/Exception Request: MIT No Attribution

2018-04-05 Thread J Lovejoy 
Mark,

Do I understand correctly then, that Amazon created this license?  

While I understand the rationale (as you explained below), which makes sense 
and I can see others having a similar goal. But, I’m wondering why Amazon made 
a new license, instead of using something that reaches the same goal and that 
is already out there, like: https://spdx.org/licenses/0BSD.html 
 ?


thanks,
Jilayne




> On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Dennis Clark  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark, 
> 
> There is currently a request for this new license at  
> https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/issues/619 
>  
> 
> I don't think we have a target date for completion of the request just yet. 
> 
> Regards,
> Dennis Clark
> nexB Inc.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Atwood, Mark via Spdx-legal 
> > wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> * Provide a proposed Full Name for the license or exception.
> 
> MIT No Attribution
> 
> * Provide a proposed Short Identifier.
> 
> MIT-0
> 
> * Provide a functioning url reference to the license or exception text, either
> from the author or a community recognized source.
> 
> https://github.com/aws/mit-0 
> 
> * Create and attach a text file with the license or exception text from the
> url provided.
> 
> See attached file "MIT-0".
> 
> * Indicate whether the license is OSI-approved (see:
> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical 
> ) or whether it has been
> submitted for approval to the OSI and is currently under review.
> 
> Not currently OSI approved.  Not submitted for OSI approval. Not currently
> under review by OSI.  We may submit this license to OSI for review at a later
> date.
> 
> * Provide a short explanation regarding the need for this license or exception
> to be included on the SPDX License List, including identifying at least one
> program that uses this license.
> 
> This license has proven useful for code that is intended for developers to use
> as reference, teaching samples, examples, or templates that other developers
> may modify for their own purposes.
> In many of these cases, the initial developer may not want to impose even the
> cost of attribution, or the use cases may not be conducive to attribution.
> The CC0 and various "do what you want" licenses and various public domain
> dedications may be less attractive to the initial developer for various
> reasons (i.e., a license is preferable to a public domain dedication). The MIT
> license with all the attribution requirement language removed fills this need.
> 
> * Identify at least one program that uses this license.
> 
> https://github.com/awslabs/awscli-aliases 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> ..m
> 
> 
> Mark Atwood >
> Principal, Open Source
> +1-206-604-2198 
> 
> 
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RE: New License/Exception Request: MIT No Attribution

2018-03-28 Thread Atwood, Mark via Spdx-legal 
Ha, you had gotten ahead of me, I didn’t realize you had already started the 
process after our conversations.

 

We prefer the long name be “MIT No Attribution”.

 

We (Amazon and AWS) very much prefer that the long and short names *NOT* 
contain “AWS” or “Amazon”.  This license is not specific to us, not specific to 
our software or services, and we would very much like other people to use it as 
well.

 

..m

 

Mark Atwood < <mailto:atwo...@amazon.com> atwo...@amazon.com>

Principal, Open Source

+1-206-604-2198

 

 

 

From: Dennis Clark [mailto:dmcl...@nexb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:58 AM
To: Atwood, Mark <atwo...@amazon.com>
Cc: spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org
Subject: Re: New License/Exception Request: MIT No Attribution

 

Hi Mark, 

There is currently a request for this new license at  
https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/issues/619 

I don't think we have a target date for completion of the request just yet. 

 

Regards,

Dennis Clark

nexB Inc.

 

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Atwood, Mark via Spdx-legal 
<spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org <mailto:spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org> > wrote:

Hi!

* Provide a proposed Full Name for the license or exception.

MIT No Attribution

* Provide a proposed Short Identifier.

MIT-0

* Provide a functioning url reference to the license or exception text, either
from the author or a community recognized source.

https://github.com/aws/mit-0

* Create and attach a text file with the license or exception text from the
url provided.

See attached file "MIT-0".

* Indicate whether the license is OSI-approved (see:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical) or whether it has been
submitted for approval to the OSI and is currently under review.

Not currently OSI approved.  Not submitted for OSI approval. Not currently
under review by OSI.  We may submit this license to OSI for review at a later
date.

* Provide a short explanation regarding the need for this license or exception
to be included on the SPDX License List, including identifying at least one
program that uses this license.

This license has proven useful for code that is intended for developers to use
as reference, teaching samples, examples, or templates that other developers
may modify for their own purposes.
In many of these cases, the initial developer may not want to impose even the
cost of attribution, or the use cases may not be conducive to attribution.
The CC0 and various "do what you want" licenses and various public domain
dedications may be less attractive to the initial developer for various
reasons (i.e., a license is preferable to a public domain dedication). The MIT
license with all the attribution requirement language removed fills this need.

* Identify at least one program that uses this license.

https://github.com/awslabs/awscli-aliases


Thank you!

..m


Mark Atwood <atwo...@amazon.com <mailto:atwo...@amazon.com> >
Principal, Open Source
+1-206-604-2198 <tel:%2B1-206-604-2198> 



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Re: New License/Exception Request: MIT No Attribution

2018-03-28 Thread Dennis Clark 
Hi Mark,

There is currently a request for this new license at
https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/issues/619

I don't think we have a target date for completion of the request just yet.

Regards,
Dennis Clark
nexB Inc.


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Atwood, Mark via Spdx-legal <
spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> * Provide a proposed Full Name for the license or exception.
>
> MIT No Attribution
>
> * Provide a proposed Short Identifier.
>
> MIT-0
>
> * Provide a functioning url reference to the license or exception text,
> either
> from the author or a community recognized source.
>
> https://github.com/aws/mit-0
>
> * Create and attach a text file with the license or exception text from the
> url provided.
>
> See attached file "MIT-0".
>
> * Indicate whether the license is OSI-approved (see:
> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical) or whether it has been
> submitted for approval to the OSI and is currently under review.
>
> Not currently OSI approved.  Not submitted for OSI approval. Not currently
> under review by OSI.  We may submit this license to OSI for review at a
> later
> date.
>
> * Provide a short explanation regarding the need for this license or
> exception
> to be included on the SPDX License List, including identifying at least one
> program that uses this license.
>
> This license has proven useful for code that is intended for developers to
> use
> as reference, teaching samples, examples, or templates that other
> developers
> may modify for their own purposes.
> In many of these cases, the initial developer may not want to impose even
> the
> cost of attribution, or the use cases may not be conducive to attribution.
> The CC0 and various "do what you want" licenses and various public domain
> dedications may be less attractive to the initial developer for various
> reasons (i.e., a license is preferable to a public domain dedication). The
> MIT
> license with all the attribution requirement language removed fills this
> need.
>
> * Identify at least one program that uses this license.
>
> https://github.com/awslabs/awscli-aliases
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> ..m
>
>
> Mark Atwood 
> Principal, Open Source
> +1-206-604-2198
>
>
>
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