Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

[Richard Mote via Sprinklerforum]

George would love it.


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From: Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum 
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Sent: Wed, Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am
Subject: Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

"Things like this are precisely why AFSA membership is well worth it."
👍

Here is the conundrum on this type of post. I don't need to weigh in as
everyone to the east of me has already answered Travis's questions but I
want to thumbs-up Travis' thank you to those that answered as well, and
mostly, his comment about why the forum is another reason that makes
membership so worthwhile (Churching the Thread, so to speak). Being able to
make such a comment and having several thumbs-ups just might spur a lurker
or two to consider joining. I don't know. There must be statistics
regarding the value of such an option and Roger must know a way to
incorporate such a device. Just another plea for that thumbs-up button
that's easier than the way I went about doing it. Stepping down from the
soapbox. Thank you for listening.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 7:40 AM Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> NFPA 13, 2019 edition actually addresses this in section 29.2
>
>
>
>
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> > On Mar 17, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system
> and leave it in place.  I seem to recall a section of the fire or building
> code that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in
> place.  They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the
> piping dead in the air.  Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire /
> building code?  If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC
> / IBC so that I can forward it on?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the assistance.
> >
> > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET
> > Engineering Manager
> > MFP Design
> > 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> > Gilbert, AZ 85298
> > 480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
> > travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
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Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

[Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum]

"Things like this are precisely why AFSA membership is well worth it."
👍

Here is the conundrum on this type of post. I don't need to weigh in as
everyone to the east of me has already answered Travis's questions but I
want to thumbs-up Travis' thank you to those that answered as well, and
mostly, his comment about why the forum is another reason that makes
membership so worthwhile (Churching the Thread, so to speak). Being able to
make such a comment and having several thumbs-ups just might spur a lurker
or two to consider joining. I don't know. There must be statistics
regarding the value of such an option and Roger must know a way to
incorporate such a device. Just another plea for that thumbs-up button
that's easier than the way I went about doing it. Stepping down from the
soapbox. Thank you for listening.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 7:40 AM Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> NFPA 13, 2019 edition actually addresses this in section 29.2
>
>
>
>
> Bob Caputo, CFPS
> President
> American Fire Sprinkler Association
> p:  214-349-5965 ext124
> w:  firesprinkler.org 
>     <
> https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224>   <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/>
>  
>
>
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> enrolling for Spring 2021 .
>
> > On Mar 17, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system
> and leave it in place.  I seem to recall a section of the fire or building
> code that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in
> place.  They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the
> piping dead in the air.  Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire /
> building code?  If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC
> / IBC so that I can forward it on?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the assistance.
> >
> > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET
> > Engineering Manager
> > MFP Design
> > 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> > Gilbert, AZ 85298
> > 480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
> > travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
> > www.mfpdesign.com
> >
> > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<
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RE: Check Valve After Flow switch?

[Larry Keeping via Sprinklerforum]

A while back I questioned a contractor's installation that didn't follow the 
Potter guidelines, so the contractor got a letter from Potter.

This letter said:

"...   This is only a recommendation, not a requirement.   ..."

"...   There are no UL, FM, or NFPA codes or standards requiring a 
certain distance between a valve or fitting and a flow   switch. If the 
device passes the flow test it can be considered an acceptable installation.   
..."

"...   We simply may have overcome the need to maintain this distance 
recommendation as our product has evolved and improved over the years."

Best regards,

Larry Keeping

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From: Sprinklerforum  On Behalf 
Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum
Sent: March 15, 2021 7:40 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; Mike Henke 
Cc: Matthew J Willis ; Steve Leyton 

Subject: Re: Check Valve After Flow switch?

Warning! This email came from outside your company.

Yeah, I get the listed assembly.

Just begs the question,
If it's good for the goose..

I know jurisdictions that reject if you do not have the 3psi loss on your calcs.

Sure they have a listing, but there are folks out there that think only a 
listed can be installed.
When in reality, listed devices need only need installed.

Matt

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From: Mike Henke 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 5:35:13 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org 

Cc: Steve Leyton ; Matthew J Willis 

Subject: RE: Check Valve After Flow switch?

Steve is correct. The flowswitches on the listed preassembled manifolds and 
risers are part of a listed assembly and are tested as part of that assembly.
The recommendations on the Potter literature are recommendations, not code 
requirements. The purpose of the recommendation is to try to prevent people 
from installing the flowswitch too close to a valve or change in direction that 
could cause enough turbulence to prevent the flowswitch from operating when a 
calibrated flow test is conducted. The installer would then have to relocate 
the flowswitch.

Kind Regards,

mike

Mike Henke CET
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Of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 6:26 PM
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Cc: Steve Leyton ; Matthew J Willis 

Subject: RE: Check Valve After Flow switch?

If an assembly is tested and listed as a unit, and passes the required tests as 
configured, then the listing supersedes such restrictions.   I remember asking 
this question when Resi-Risers first came out.

Steve L.

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 3:45 PM
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Cc: Matthew J Willis 
Subject: RE: Check Valve After Flow switch?

I would as well.

What happened to the "not within 24" of a drain or valve?"

A check valve is a valve.. Right?

R/
Matt

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From: Sprinklerforum  On Behalf 
Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 3:36 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Cc: John Denhardt 
Subject: Re: Check Valve After Flow switch?

I would like to know why this is the "best way" for the installation.  I am not 
stating it is not, just not sure why one way is better especially since we have 
done it a certain way for years.

Thanks,
John

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On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM Henry Fontana via Sprinklerforum < 
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> This is not a code change. Both manufacturers (one of them I work for) 
> state that this is the best way for installation and will not cause a 
> nuisance alarm. Ever since Globe came out with theirs I have 
> questioned wh

Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

[Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum]

  
  

  The goal is to make it not look like a sprinkler system. The one issue may 
come across is if the pipe is painted red. People may automatically look at 
that as active sprinkler. You may want to consider doing something (paint, 
stripe, etc) to make it contrast the actual sprinkler pipe.   
  
  
  
 Todd G Williams, PE  
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
  
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860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080)  (ofc)
  
860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax)
  
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> On Mar 17, 2021 at 10:25 AM,   (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  Thanks to all for the information. Things like this are precisely why AFSA 
> membership is well worth it. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET 
> Engineering Manager MFP Design  3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 
> (x-apple-data-detectors://6/0)   480-505-9271 ext. 700 (tel:480-505-9271;700) 
>  C:  480-272-2471 (tel:480-272-2471)   travis.m...@mfpdesign.com 
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> Denhardt via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 7:21 AM To:  
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> Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place NFPA 13 - 2019 29.2.2 Where 
> all or part of an inactive sprinkler system is abandoned in place, components 
> including sprinklers, hose valves and hoses, and alarm devices shall be 
> removed. 29.2.3 Control valves abandoned in place shall have the operating 
> mechanisms removed. 29.2.4 Sprinkler system piping and/or valves abandoned in 
> place shall be uniquely identified to differentiate them from active system 
> piping and valves. *The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a 
> formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing 
> Committee Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA 
> assumes no liability for this opinion or actions taken on it and they are not 
> to be considered the official position of the **AFSA, and/or NFPA or its 
> technical committees.**AFSA cannot provide design or consulting engineering 
> services, and this opinion should therefore not be considered, nor relied 
> upon, as such.* Thanks, John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, 
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RE: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

[Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum]

Thanks to all for the information.

Things like this are precisely why AFSA membership is well worth it.

Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET
Engineering Manager
MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
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From: Sprinklerforum  On Behalf 
Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 7:21 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Cc: John Denhardt 
Subject: Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

NFPA 13 - 2019

29.2.2 Where all or part of an inactive sprinkler system is

abandoned in place, components including sprinklers, hose

valves and hoses, and alarm devices shall be removed.

29.2.3 Control valves abandoned in place shall have the operating

mechanisms removed.

29.2.4 Sprinkler system piping and/or valves abandoned in

place shall be uniquely identified to differentiate them from

active system piping and valves.

*The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal
interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee
Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA assumes no
liability for this opinion or actions taken on it and they are not to be
considered the official position of the **AFSA, and/or NFPA or its
technical committees.**AFSA cannot provide design or consulting engineering
services, and this opinion should therefore not be considered, nor relied
upon, as such.*

Thanks,
John

John August Denhardt, PE
*Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services*

*American Fire Sprinkler Association*
m: p: 301-343-1457
214-349-5965 ext 121
w: firesprinkler.org
>
>
>
>

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:17 AM Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
 wrote:

> IBC/IFC 901.4.5, 901.6
>
> Mike Morey
> CFPS 3229 * NICET S.E.T. 123677
> Project Manager * Fire Protection Group
> Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company
> 7614 Opportunity Drive * Fort Wayne, IN * 46825
> direct 260.487.7824 / cell 260.417.0625 / fax 260.487.7991
> email mmo...@shambaugh.com
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> -Original Message-
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> mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
>  On
> Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 10:13 AM
> To: 
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Cc: travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
> Subject: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place
>
>
> BE ADVISED - This email originated outside EMCOR.
>
>
> I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system
> and leave it in place. I seem to recall a section of the fire or building
> code that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in
> place. They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the
> piping dead in the air. Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire /
> building code? If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC
> / IBC so that I can forward it on?
>
> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
>
> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET Engineering Manager MFP Design
> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> 480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
> travis.m...@mfpdesign.com>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mfpdesign.com__;!!FaxH778!PJCw9Pa2TNeRO4zz75oVIyWFaMBBIZHAIdYMts8typU07MeeCiBX7c8dne5-6IEC$

Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

[John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum]

NFPA 13 - 2019

29.2.2 Where all or part of an inactive sprinkler system is

abandoned in place, components including sprinklers, hose

valves and hoses, and alarm devices shall be removed.

29.2.3 Control valves abandoned in place shall have the operating

mechanisms removed.

29.2.4 Sprinkler system piping and/or valves abandoned in

place shall be uniquely identified to differentiate them from

active system piping and valves.

*The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal
interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee
Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA assumes no
liability for this opinion or actions taken on it and they are not to be
considered the official position of the **AFSA, and/or NFPA or its
technical committees.**AFSA cannot provide design or consulting engineering
services, and this opinion should therefore not be considered, nor relied
upon, as such.*

Thanks,
John

John August Denhardt, PE
*Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services*

*American Fire Sprinkler Association*
m: p: 301-343-1457
214-349-5965 ext 121
w: firesprinkler.org



   

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:17 AM Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> IBC/IFC 901.4.5, 901.6
>
> Mike Morey
> CFPS 3229 * NICET S.E.T. 123677
> Project Manager * Fire Protection Group
> Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company
> 7614 Opportunity Drive * Fort Wayne, IN * 46825
> direct 260.487.7824 /  cell 260.417.0625 /  fax 260.487.7991
> email mmo...@shambaugh.com
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 10:13 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Cc: travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
> Subject: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place
>
>
> BE ADVISED - This email originated outside EMCOR.
>
>
> I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system
> and leave it in place.  I seem to recall a section of the fire or building
> code that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in
> place.  They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the
> piping dead in the air.  Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire /
> building code?  If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC
> / IBC so that I can forward it on?
>
> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
>
> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET Engineering Manager MFP Design
> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> 480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
> travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
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RE: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

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I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system and 
leave it in place.  I seem to recall a section of the fire or building code 
that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in place.  
They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the piping dead 
in the air.  Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire / building code?  
If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC / IBC so that I can 
forward it on?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.

Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET Engineering Manager MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
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Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

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NFPA 13, 2019 edition actually addresses this in section 29.2




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> On Mar 17, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system and 
> leave it in place.  I seem to recall a section of the fire or building code 
> that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in place.  
> They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the piping 
> dead in the air.  Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire / building 
> code?  If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC / IBC so 
> that I can forward it on?
> 
> Thanks in advance for the assistance.
> 
> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET
> Engineering Manager
> MFP Design
> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> 480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
> travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
> www.mfpdesign.com
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leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

[Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum]

I have a customer that is being asked to cut and cap an existing system and 
leave it in place.  I seem to recall a section of the fire or building code 
that does not permit you to leave abandoned life safety equipment in place.  
They are being asked to remove the sprinklers but leave all of the piping dead 
in the air.  Is anyone familiar with this section of the fire / building code?  
If so, would you be able to provide the location in the IFC / IBC so that I can 
forward it on?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.

Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, COC, SET
Engineering Manager
MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
480-505-9271 ext. 700 C: 480-272-2471
travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
www.mfpdesign.com

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