[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Scott Futrell 
Just because you ‘can’t’ put those things in recycling or in trash doesn’t stop 
anyone from doing it anyway.

The reality is that people no longer follow rules and everything you can 
imagine ends up in the trash and the recycling. I don’t care what has been 
legislated against.

The world I operate in, where fires are bigger than they should be, usually, 
almost always is because someone has done something inappropriately.

Assuming that Li batteries and other ignitable items won’t be in trash and 
recycling is not realistic for a Fire Protection Engineer doing an appropriate 
hazard analysis.

Hand grenades (that blow up before explosion detection systems can operate) and 
acetylene cylinders have been in hammermills and tipping floors. Are they 
supposed to be? Of course not. Are they there? Yes.

Not worth a nickel but what I’ve seen and documented.

From: Steve Leyton 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 4:35 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

Huh?   I said that your prescription assumed certain things.   I also suggested 
that the owner be put on record as to whether those certain things were going 
to be required or not.   It’s very possible that higher hazard commodities can 
be found in facilities like this and if they are, THEN that’s the reality.   
You might be absolutely right and then again, it might be overkill to bring 
those other hazards into consideration.   In California (and some other states 
I believe), that scenario cannot be the reality because you can’t have those 
things mixed into trash and recycling.  Facilities that process such products 
as recycling or waste have to have special permits; if they are handled at the 
same property, they are required to be segregated.

We have a lot of Mexican importers and distributors in San Diego and we 
recently did a system upgrade to .495/2,000.   The tenant bought and owns the 
building; their business is wood furniture including chests, beds table chair 
sets and benches and their storage 22’ max height.   No upholstery whatsoever 
but there are some other considerations that prompted a Class IV 
classification, hence the density.   Or should we have plugged in ESFR because 
most furniture warehouses have high levels of exposed expanded plastics?

Steve L.

From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 2:19 PM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

Sorry gang.

Silly me for bringing reality into the thread.

Carry on.

From: Steve Leyton 
mailto:st...@protectiondesign.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:59 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

Respectfully, this sounds like overkill.  The project is described as entailing 
“plastics, paper/cardboard and metal.”   Reading Li and propane into it changes 
everything and depending on the state, you can’t process gas cylinders or Li or 
even computer-related wastes in general sorting/recycling disposal centers.

As noted, you’re going to have exposed plastics, bundled, likely non-expanded.  
 Exactly what form will the most hazardous materials take, in what array will 
they be stored and how high is the roof?  I think an Owner’s Certificate (or 
statement or declaration or whatever) is absolutely essential here…

Steve L.




From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire 
protection engineer.

There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more.

Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very 
dusty environment should be considered. If it is unheated then dry systems and 
high ceiling heights affect the design.

There are more than just a few fires in these types of facilities that you can 
research and find on the internet.

Scott

From: Fpdcdesign mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Steve Leyton 
Huh?   I said that your prescription assumed certain things.   I also suggested 
that the owner be put on record as to whether those certain things were going 
to be required or not.   It’s very possible that higher hazard commodities can 
be found in facilities like this and if they are, THEN that’s the reality.   
You might be absolutely right and then again, it might be overkill to bring 
those other hazards into consideration.   In California (and some other states 
I believe), that scenario cannot be the reality because you can’t have those 
things mixed into trash and recycling.  Facilities that process such products 
as recycling or waste have to have special permits; if they are handled at the 
same property, they are required to be segregated.

We have a lot of Mexican importers and distributors in San Diego and we 
recently did a system upgrade to .495/2,000.   The tenant bought and owns the 
building; their business is wood furniture including chests, beds table chair 
sets and benches and their storage 22’ max height.   No upholstery whatsoever 
but there are some other considerations that prompted a Class IV 
classification, hence the density.   Or should we have plugged in ESFR because 
most furniture warehouses have high levels of exposed expanded plastics?

Steve L.

From: Scott Futrell 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 2:19 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

Sorry gang.

Silly me for bringing reality into the thread.

Carry on.

From: Steve Leyton 
mailto:st...@protectiondesign.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:59 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

Respectfully, this sounds like overkill.  The project is described as entailing 
“plastics, paper/cardboard and metal.”   Reading Li and propane into it changes 
everything and depending on the state, you can’t process gas cylinders or Li or 
even computer-related wastes in general sorting/recycling disposal centers.

As noted, you’re going to have exposed plastics, bundled, likely non-expanded.  
 Exactly what form will the most hazardous materials take, in what array will 
they be stored and how high is the roof?  I think an Owner’s Certificate (or 
statement or declaration or whatever) is absolutely essential here…

Steve L.




From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire 
protection engineer.

There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more.

Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very 
dusty environment should be considered. If it is unheated then dry systems and 
high ceiling heights affect the design.

There are more than just a few fires in these types of facilities that you can 
research and find on the internet.

Scott

From: Fpdcdesign mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I 
found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips.

If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-554-7054  (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)

On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM, mailto:tston...@comcast.net>> wrote:
A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for 
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical  
Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and 
metal.
Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of 
storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails 
are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed 
Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 0

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Scott Futrell 
Sorry gang.

Silly me for bringing reality into the thread.

Carry on.

From: Steve Leyton 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:59 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

Respectfully, this sounds like overkill.  The project is described as entailing 
“plastics, paper/cardboard and metal.”   Reading Li and propane into it changes 
everything and depending on the state, you can’t process gas cylinders or Li or 
even computer-related wastes in general sorting/recycling disposal centers.

As noted, you’re going to have exposed plastics, bundled, likely non-expanded.  
 Exactly what form will the most hazardous materials take, in what array will 
they be stored and how high is the roof?  I think an Owner’s Certificate (or 
statement or declaration or whatever) is absolutely essential here…

Steve L.




From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire 
protection engineer.

There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more.

Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very 
dusty environment should be considered. If it is unheated then dry systems and 
high ceiling heights affect the design.

There are more than just a few fires in these types of facilities that you can 
research and find on the internet.

Scott

From: Fpdcdesign mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I 
found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips.

If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-554-7054  (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)

On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM, mailto:tston...@comcast.net>> wrote:
A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for 
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical  
Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and 
metal.
Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of 
storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails 
are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed 
Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
 CELL: (802) 373-0638
 tston...@comcast.net<mailto:tston...@comcast.net>

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread George Medina Jr. 
Tim,
Try looking at FM Global Data Sheet 8-7 (Baled Fiber Storage) or Data Sheet 
8-22 (Storage of Baled Waste Paper) which has some Fire Sprinkler protection 
Information. I know they are more stringent then NFPA but its a starting (or 
ending) point. There are other Data sheets that might cover what you are 
looking for.
Regards,George Medina Jr.
Sr. Fire Sprinkler DesignerSINGLETON FIRE PROTECTION INC.Office: (818) 
252-5744Cell: (323) 906-5701
Business Hours: 9:00am-5:00pm 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM PST, tston...@comcast.net 
 wrote:  
 
 
Todd,

  

I will call you.

  

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638  

 tston...@comcast.net

  

From: Fpdcdesign  
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 11:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

  

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I 
found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips. 

  

If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow

  

Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-554-7054  (fax)

860-608-4559 (cell)







On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM,  wrote:

A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for 
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical  
Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and 
metal. 

Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of 
storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails 
are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

 

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed 
Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery.

 

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638  

 tston...@comcast.net

 

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Dick Culver 
Tim

Have you checked the FM Standards.  They seem to have more
information on specialty hazards.  

Just a thought

Dick

 

From: tston...@comcast.net  
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 11:44 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Commodity Classification questions

 

A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables.
Mechanical  Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics,
Paper/Cardboard and metal. 

Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top
of storage shall not exceed 15'-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The
bails are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

 

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of
Bailed Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting
machinery.

 

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638  

   tston...@comcast.net

 


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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Steve Leyton 
Respectfully, this sounds like overkill.  The project is described as entailing 
“plastics, paper/cardboard and metal.”   Reading Li and propane into it changes 
everything and depending on the state, you can’t process gas cylinders or Li or 
even computer-related wastes in general sorting/recycling disposal centers.

As noted, you’re going to have exposed plastics, bundled, likely non-expanded.  
 Exactly what form will the most hazardous materials take, in what array will 
they be stored and how high is the roof?  I think an Owner’s Certificate (or 
statement or declaration or whatever) is absolutely essential here…

Steve L.




From: Scott Futrell 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire 
protection engineer.

There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more.

Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very 
dusty environment should be considered. If it is unheated then dry systems and 
high ceiling heights affect the design.

There are more than just a few fires in these types of facilities that you can 
research and find on the internet.

Scott

From: Fpdcdesign mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>>
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I 
found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips.

If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-554-7054  (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)


On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM, mailto:tston...@comcast.net>> wrote:
A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for 
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical  
Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and 
metal.
Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of 
storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails 
are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed 
Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
 CELL: (802) 373-0638
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread tstone52 
Todd,

 

I will call you.

 

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638  

 tston...@comcast.net <mailto:tston...@comcast.net> 

 

From: Fpdcdesign  
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 11:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

 

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I 
found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips. 

 

If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow

 

Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080   (ofc)

860-554-7054(fax)

860-608-4559   (cell)






On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM, mailto:tston...@comcast.net> > wrote:

A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for 
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical  
Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and 
metal. 

Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of 
storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails 
are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

 

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed 
Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery.

 

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638  

 tston...@comcast.net <mailto:tston...@comcast.net> 

 

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Scott Futrell 
The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire 
protection engineer.

There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more.

Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very 
dusty environment should be considered. If it is unheated then dry systems and 
high ceiling heights affect the design.

There are more than just a few fires in these types of facilities that you can 
research and find on the internet.

Scott

From: Fpdcdesign 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:53 AM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the Standards 
about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could end up as 
a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull all of the 
stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest thing I 
found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips.

If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-554-7054  (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)



On Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM, mailto:tston...@comcast.net>> wrote:
A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for 
receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables. Mechanical  
Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics, Paper/Cardboard and 
metal.
Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top of 
storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The bails 
are wrapped with metal bands or wire.

I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of Bailed 
Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting machinery.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
 CELL: (802) 373-0638
 tston...@comcast.net<mailto:tston...@comcast.net>

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Fpdcdesign 
  
  

  I did one of these a while back. There is no good information in the 
Standards about this (unless there is something new). The problem is this could 
end up as a deep seated fire and the only real way to extinguish it is to pull 
all of the stuff out, look for hot spots and hit them with a hose. The closest 
thing I found was a vague reference to fire in piles of wood chips.   
  

  
If you want to talk about it, give me a call sometime tomorrow
  
  
  
Todd G Williams, PE  
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
  
Stonington, CT
  
860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080)  (ofc)
  
860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax)
  
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

2023-11-09 Thread Glen Buelow, Inc. 
You will have exposed Group A Plastics in the storage area


*Glen Bue**low*

*Glen W. Buelow, Inc.*
*Fire Protection Design and Consulting216-469-7390** <330.665.4439>*


On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 11:46 AM  wrote:

> A local Solid Waste Company is building a new warehouse style building for
> receiving, Sorting, Bailing and short term storage of recyclables.
> Mechanical  Sorting (Roughly 40,000 SF), will be used to sort Plastics,
> Paper/Cardboard and metal.
>
> Storage will consist Bailed Paper, Bailed Plastic and Bailed Aluminum. Top
> of storage shall not exceed 15’-0 high. Roughly 27,000 SF of Storage. The
> bails are wrapped with metal bands or wire.
>
>
>
> I am having trouble locating NFPA 13 information concerning storage of
> Bailed Materials and or deign information over the Processing/Sorting
> machinery.
>
>
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> Regards,
>
> *G. Tim Stone*
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>
> *G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC*
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> *NICET Level III Engineering Technician*
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> *Fire Protection Sprinkler Design*
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> *and Consulting Services*
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> *   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452*
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