[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[Travis.Mack]

I have done projects where they had to do the same at those same facilities. It 
is unusual to hang for sure.


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From: Henry Fontana 
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger


We have done many document storage facilities like an Iron mountain.  With over 
10 levels of isle protection.  All our pipe hangs off the grate from the floor 
above.  When I call my supplier I call the “subway clips” but doing a google 
search I am not getting them.  If you send me an email I will share the spec 
sheet.



Henry Fontana

Operations Manager (NYC)

Johnson Controls Fire Protection

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From: tston...@comcast.net 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 3:01 PM
To: 'Tom Wellen' ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger



The Hanger chapter in NFPA 13 only mentions the structure. I don’t believe it 
was the intention to allow attachments to grated floor systems.



Regards,

G. Tim Stone



G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services



   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638

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From: Tom Wellen mailto:tgwel...@gmail.com>>
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I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the metal 
grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right way to 
support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers, but I don't 
see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire protection. Most 
hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys.



Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting fire 
sprinkler pipe?





Tom Wellen

McKinney Fire Marshal's Office

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[Henry Fontana]

We have done many document storage facilities like an Iron mountain.  With over 
10 levels of isle protection.  All our pipe hangs off the grate from the floor 
above.  When I call my supplier I call the “subway clips” but doing a google 
search I am not getting them.  If you send me an email I will share the spec 
sheet.

Henry Fontana
Operations Manager (NYC)
Johnson Controls Fire Protection
100 Lighting Way Secaucus, NJ 07094
Cell: 201-210-9873
henry.font...@jci.com<mailto:henry.font...@jci.com>
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From: tston...@comcast.net 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 3:01 PM
To: 'Tom Wellen' ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

The Hanger chapter in NFPA 13 only mentions the structure. I don’t believe it 
was the intention to allow attachments to grated floor systems.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452
 CELL: (802) 373-0638
 tston...@comcast.net<mailto:tston...@comcast.net>

From: Tom Wellen mailto:tgwel...@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger


I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the metal 
grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right way to 
support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers, but I don't 
see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire protection. Most 
hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys.

Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting fire 
sprinkler pipe?


Tom Wellen
McKinney Fire Marshal's Office
972-547-2854

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[tstone52]

The Hanger chapter in NFPA 13 only mentions the structure. I don’t believe it 
was the intention to allow attachments to grated floor systems.

 

Regards,

G. Tim Stone

 

G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC

NICET Level III Engineering Technician

Fire Protection Sprinkler Design

and Consulting Services

 

   117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452

 CELL: (802) 373-0638  

   tston...@comcast.net

 

From: Tom Wellen  
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:45 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

 

 

I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the metal 
grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right way to 
support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers, but I don't 
see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire protection. Most 
hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys. 

 

Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting fire 
sprinkler pipe?

 

 

Tom Wellen

McKinney Fire Marshal's Office

972-547-2854


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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[Brett Peters]

We've used a carriage bolt and fender washers

Thanks

Brett Peters
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Proudline Fire Protection Services Ltd.
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 12:47 PM Chris Dorn <
chris.d...@dornfireprotection.com> wrote:

> We have used stove bolts with a large head and a long thread. That
> minimizes the possibility of a trip hazard as there is only a small bump on
> top of the grating.
>
> Christopher Dorn
> Dorn Fire Protection LLC
> 4132 Dumont Street #4
> Cincinnati, Ohio 45226
> (513) 295-2499
>
> On Apr 26, 2022, at 2:46 PM, Joe Burtell  wrote:
>
> 
> In the past, I have done (2) ceiling flanges, one on the top and one on
> the bottom of the grate to make a sandwich.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> *Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS*
>
> [image: Burtell Fire_Small]
>
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> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 12:12 PM Taylor Schumacher 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure you will find one. How did they attach to the grating? Toggle
>> hangers?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Taylor Schumacher CET*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Tom Wellen 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:45 PM
>> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>> *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe
>> Hanger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the
>> metal grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right
>> way to support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers,
>> but I don't see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire
>> protection. Most hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting
>> fire sprinkler pipe?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Wellen
>>
>> McKinney Fire Marshal's Office
>>
>> 972-547-2854
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[Chris Dorn]

We have used stove bolts with a large head and a long thread. That minimizes 
the possibility of a trip hazard as there is only a small bump on top of the 
grating.

Christopher Dorn
Dorn Fire Protection LLC
4132 Dumont Street #4
Cincinnati, Ohio 45226
(513) 295-2499

On Apr 26, 2022, at 2:46 PM, Joe Burtell  wrote:


In the past, I have done (2) ceiling flanges, one on the top and one on the 
bottom of the grate to make a sandwich.



Best regards,

Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS

[Burtell Fire_Small]

Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text 406-204-4653

116 N. 11th Street | Billings, MT 59101

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 12:12 PM Taylor Schumacher 
mailto:tay...@sfsprinkler.com>> wrote:
Not sure you will find one. How did they attach to the grating? Toggle hangers?


Taylor Schumacher CET



From: Tom Wellen mailto:tgwel...@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger


I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the metal 
grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right way to 
support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers, but I don't 
see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire protection. Most 
hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys.

Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting fire 
sprinkler pipe?


Tom Wellen
McKinney Fire Marshal's Office
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[Joe Burtell]

In the past, I have done (2) ceiling flanges, one on the top and one on the
bottom of the grate to make a sandwich.


Best regards,

*Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS*

[image: Burtell Fire_Small]

Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text *406-204-4653 <++1-406-204-4653>*

116 N. 11th Street | Billings, MT 59101

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 12:12 PM Taylor Schumacher 
wrote:

> Not sure you will find one. How did they attach to the grating? Toggle
> hangers?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Taylor Schumacher CET*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom Wellen 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:45 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe
> Hanger
>
>
>
>
>
> I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the metal
> grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right way
> to support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers, but I
> don't see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire protection.
> Most hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys.
>
>
>
> Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting
> fire sprinkler pipe?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Wellen
>
> McKinney Fire Marshal's Office
>
> 972-547-2854
>
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger

[Taylor Schumacher]

Not sure you will find one. How did they attach to the grating? Toggle hangers?


Taylor Schumacher CET



From: Tom Wellen 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:45 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Metal Grating Clip for Fire Sprinkler Pipe Hanger


I ran into an installation where the ring hanger was attached to the metal 
grating to support sprinkler pipe below. I'm trying to find the right way to 
support the fire sprinkler pipe. I searched several manufacturers, but I don't 
see a metal grating clip that accepts all thread for fire protection. Most 
hangers were attached to structural steel using Sammys.

Are there any listed attachments to metal grating for hangers supporting fire 
sprinkler pipe?


Tom Wellen
McKinney Fire Marshal's Office
972-547-2854

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