RE: Event Center Floors

[Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum]

Yes that is more relevant than 404.3 exception 2.

Scott
 
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Subject: RE: Event Center Floors

We were able to find 1029.6.3 exception 1 that will also assist in this.


Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
Engineering Manager
MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700
NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471
mailto:travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
www.mfpdesign.com


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Subject: Re: Event Center Floors

This may or may not be helpful:

IBC 2018 (see exceptions below)


*507.4 Sprinklered, One-Story Buildings*

The area of a Group A-4
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/3/occupancy-classification-and-use#303.5>
building
not more than one story above grade plane 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#story_above_grade_plane>
of
other than Type V construction, or the area of a Group B 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/3/occupancy-classification-and-use#304>,
F, M or S building no more than one story above grade plane 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#story_above_grade_plane>
of
any construction type, shall not be limited where the building is provided with 
an automatic sprinkler system 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system>
throughout
in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#903.3.1.1>
and
is surrounded and adjoined by public ways 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#public_way>
or yards
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#yard> not less 
than 60 feet (18 288 mm) in width.


*Exceptions:*

1. Buildings and structures of Type I or II construction for rack storage 
facilities 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#facility>
that
do not have access by the public shall not be limited in height, provided that 
such buildings conform to the requirements of Sections 507.4 and
903.3.1.1
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ifc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#903.3.1.1>
and Chapter 32
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ifc-2018/chapter/32/high-piled-combustible-storage#32>
of
the *International Fire Code <https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ifc-2018>*.
2.
The automatic sprinkler system
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system>
shall
not be required in areas occupied for indoor participant sports, such as 
tennis, skating, swimming and equestrian activities in occupancies in Group
A-4
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/3/occupancy-classification-and-use#303.5>,
provided that all of the following criteria are met:
1. 2.1. Exit
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#exit>
doors
directly to the outside are provided for occupants of the participant sports 
areas.
2. 2.2. The building is equipped with a fire alarm system 
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#fire_alarm_system>
with manual fire alarm boxes
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#manual_fire_alarm_box>
installed
in accordance with Section 907
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#907>
.
3. 2.3. An automatic sprinkler system
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system>
is
provided in storage rooms, press boxes, concession booths or other spaces 
ancillary to the sport activity space.



Ron Greenman

mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com

253.576.9700

The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, 
screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-)


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:11 AM Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum < 
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> I seem to recall something in the I-codes that states you are not 
> required to protect over an event center floor if the ceiling/roof is 
> "x feet" above the floor level. However, of course, I can't locate the 
> reference section today. Does anyone happen to know where that 
> reference may be at in the I-codes?
>
>
> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
> Engineering Manager
> MFP Design
> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext

RE: Event Center Floors

[Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum]

Travis,
It would help to know what edition of the IBC is adopted in the community to 
narrow the search. Or do you just want to know in general?

Scott
 
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Subject: Event Center Floors

I seem to recall something in the I-codes that states you are not required to 
protect over an event center floor if the ceiling/roof is "x feet" above the 
floor level.  However, of course, I can't locate the reference section today.  
Does anyone happen to know where that reference may be at in the I-codes?


Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
Engineering Manager
MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700
NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471
travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
www.mfpdesign.com
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RE: Event Center Floors

[Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum]

We were able to find 1029.6.3 exception 1 that will also assist in this.


Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
Engineering Manager
MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700
NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471
mailto:travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
www.mfpdesign.com


From: Sprinklerforum  On Behalf 
Of Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:05 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Cc: Ron Greenman 
Subject: Re: Event Center Floors

This may or may not be helpful:

IBC 2018 (see exceptions below)


*507.4 Sprinklered, One-Story Buildings*

The area of a Group A-4
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/3/occupancy-classification-and-use#303.5>
building
not more than one story above grade plane
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#story_above_grade_plane>
of
other than Type V construction, or the area of a Group B
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/3/occupancy-classification-and-use#304>,
F, M or S building no more than one story above grade plane
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#story_above_grade_plane>
of
any construction type, shall not be limited where the building is provided
with an automatic sprinkler system
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system>
throughout
in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#903.3.1.1>
and
is surrounded and adjoined by public ways
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#public_way>
or yards
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#yard> not
less than 60 feet (18 288 mm) in width.


*Exceptions:*

1. Buildings and structures of Type I or II construction for rack
storage facilities
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#facility>
that
do not have access by the public shall not be limited in height, provided
that such buildings conform to the requirements of Sections 507.4 and
903.3.1.1
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ifc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#903.3.1.1>
and Chapter 32
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ifc-2018/chapter/32/high-piled-combustible-storage#32>
of
the *International Fire Code <https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ifc-2018>*.
2.
The automatic sprinkler system
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system>
shall
not be required in areas occupied for indoor participant sports, such as
tennis, skating, swimming and equestrian activities in occupancies in Group
A-4
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/3/occupancy-classification-and-use#303.5>,
provided that all of the following criteria are met:
1. 2.1. Exit
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#exit>
doors
directly to the outside are provided for occupants of the participant
sports areas.
2. 2.2. The building is equipped with a fire alarm system
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#fire_alarm_system>
with manual fire alarm boxes
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#manual_fire_alarm_box>
installed
in accordance with Section 907
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#907>
.
3. 2.3. An automatic sprinkler system
<https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system>
is
provided in storage rooms, press boxes, concession booths or other spaces
ancillary to the sport activity space.



Ron Greenman

mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com

253.576.9700

The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner
Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera
director (1942-)


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:11 AM Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum <
mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> I seem to recall something in the I-codes that states you are not required
> to protect over an event center floor if the ceiling/roof is "x feet" above
> the floor level. However, of course, I can't locate the reference section
> today. Does anyone happen to know where that reference may be at in the
> I-codes?
>
>
> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
> Engineering Manager
> MFP Design
> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700
> NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471
> mailto:travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
> http://www.mfpdesign.com
>
> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack
>
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Re: Event Center Floors

[Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum]

This may or may not be helpful:

IBC 2018 (see exceptions below)


*507.4 Sprinklered, One-Story Buildings*

The area of a Group A-4

building
not more than one story above grade plane

of
other than Type V construction, or the area of a Group B
,
F, M or S building no more than one story above grade plane

of
any construction type, shall not be limited where the building is provided
with an automatic sprinkler system

throughout
in accordance with Section 903.3.1.1

and
is surrounded and adjoined by public ways

 or yards
 not
less than 60 feet (18 288 mm) in width.


*Exceptions:*

   1. Buildings and structures of Type I or II construction for rack
   storage facilities
   
that
   do not have access by the public shall not be limited in height, provided
   that such buildings conform to the requirements of Sections 507.4 and
   903.3.1.1
   

and Chapter 32
   

of
   the *International Fire Code *.
   2.
   The automatic sprinkler system
   

shall
   not be required in areas occupied for indoor participant sports, such as
   tennis, skating, swimming and equestrian activities in occupancies in Group
   A-4
   
,
   provided that all of the following criteria are met:
   1. 2.1. Exit
  
doors
  directly to the outside are provided for occupants of the participant
  sports areas.
  2. 2.2. The building is equipped with a fire alarm system
  

   with manual fire alarm boxes
  

installed
  in accordance with Section 907
  

  .
  3. 2.3. An automatic sprinkler system
  

is
  provided in storage rooms, press boxes, concession booths or other spaces
  ancillary to the sport activity space.



Ron Greenman

rongreen...@gmail.com

253.576.9700

The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner
Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera
director (1942-)


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:11 AM Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> I seem to recall something in the I-codes that states you are not required
> to protect over an event center floor if the ceiling/roof is "x feet" above
> the floor level.  However, of course, I can't locate the reference section
> today.  Does anyone happen to know where that reference may be at in the
> I-codes?
>
>
> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
> Engineering Manager
> MFP Design
> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
> Gilbert, AZ 85298
> NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700
> NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471
> travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
> www.mfpdesign.com
>
> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack
>
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Event Center Floors

[Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum]

I seem to recall something in the I-codes that states you are not required to 
protect over an event center floor if the ceiling/roof is "x feet" above the 
floor level.  However, of course, I can't locate the reference section today.  
Does anyone happen to know where that reference may be at in the I-codes?


Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
Engineering Manager
MFP Design
3356 E Vallejo Ct
Gilbert, AZ 85298
NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700
NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471
travis.m...@mfpdesign.com
www.mfpdesign.com

Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign 
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack


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