RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread Bobby Gillett
Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something. 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 
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Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets. 

 

How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?  

 

Thank you,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

 mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com

 

 

 

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RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread George Church
I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.

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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:42 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something. 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets. 

 

How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?  

 

Thank you,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

 mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com

 

 

 

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RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread Bobby Gillett
Are you referring to the 15% volume of plastics...? I'm over looking it
this morning; can you refer me to where this is?

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 

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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.

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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:42 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something. 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets. 

 

How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?  

 

Thank you,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

 mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com

 

 

 

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RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread George Church
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Are you referring to the 15% volume of plastics...? I'm over looking it
this morning; can you refer me to where this is?

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 

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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.

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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:42 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something. 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets. 

 

How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?  

 

Thank you,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

 mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com

 

 

 

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RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread Todd Williams
I would think stainless steel exhaust parts would create a fairly 
heavy pallet load. How heavy are the cardboard and plastic containers 
that they can support 2 high when open topped?



At 07:59 AM 9/24/2010, you wrote:

I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.

-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:42 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something.

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com


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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets.



How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?



Thank you,



Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax

(731) 267-4853 cell

 mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com







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RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread Bobby Gillett
That's a good question, I haven't seen the scenario - only been told by
owner. They are encapsulating it with shrinkwrap but I would have to agree
there must be something there helping to support the other pallet. The owner
said sometimes their customer requests the plastic sided container because
when shipping over seas the cardboard doesn't hold up well even though they
shrinkwrap it well. Makes sense. 

Maybe he can supply a picture of an example.

Ultimately the insurance will have final say, he's just trying to make sure
its not way over the top. 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 

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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:08 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

I would think stainless steel exhaust parts would create a fairly 
heavy pallet load. How heavy are the cardboard and plastic containers 
that they can support 2 high when open topped?


At 07:59 AM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.

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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby
Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:42 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage
applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic
sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something.

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com


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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby
Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons
are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets.



How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?



Thank you,



Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax

(731) 267-4853 cell

  mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com







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RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

2010-09-24 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Section 5.6 has the commodity classification definitions.

Duane Johnson, PE
Program Manager
Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
Office of Research Services 
National Institutes of Health 
301-496-0487


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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:12 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Are you referring to the 15% volume of plastics...? I'm over looking it
this morning; can you refer me to where this is?

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 

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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.

-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:42 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage

Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would like
some feedback before giving my opinion, making sure I am not missing
something. 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
 
 
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Manufacturing with shipping storage

We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
stacked two high. The overall height is 68 of the double stacked pallets. 

 

How would you classify the storage in the shipping area?  

 

Thank you,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

 mailto:bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com

 

 

 

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