RE: Spec Building
There use to be a spec density in the UBC standards Volume 3 which was a Ordinary hazard II/ 3000 for undetermined use. Todd Letterman Fire Prevention Engineer CFPS Riverside County Fire Department Fire never sleeps (951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886 todd.letter...@fire.ca.gov Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but learning how to dance in the rain -Original Message- From: Gary Stites [mailto:gsti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Spec Building I seem to remember a density (.17 / 3000' ? - .25 / 3000'?)) for buildings with undetermined occupancy. Such as a spec building or a lease building. Anybody know where that code is? (If it exists at all) -- Gary Stites www.sprinklersoft.net ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
RE: Spec Building
Naturally any of these are simply a starting point for either the discussion with the AHJ or the support for the qualification you'd put in your proposal. Approved means accepted by the (local?) AHJ. Or we can do what many of us have done for years- it's an empty building, OH 1 should cover it. glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Letterman, Todd Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 10:24 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Spec Building There use to be a spec density in the UBC standards Volume 3 which was a Ordinary hazard II/ 3000 for undetermined use. Todd Letterman Fire Prevention Engineer CFPS Riverside County Fire Department Fire never sleeps (951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886 todd.letter...@fire.ca.gov Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but learning how to dance in the rain -Original Message- From: Gary Stites [mailto:gsti...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Spec Building I seem to remember a density (.17 / 3000' ? - .25 / 3000'?)) for buildings with undetermined occupancy. Such as a spec building or a lease building. Anybody know where that code is? (If it exists at all) -- Gary Stites www.sprinklersoft.net ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
RE: Spec Building
There are some city level amendments in the KC are also. The one I see most frequently is Class 3 commodity to 20' on single/double racks (wood pallets) Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection *Licensed in KS MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 6:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Spec Building We've had amendments in the California Building Code that established OH II as the absolute minimum density for any building of unknown use. In San Diego (and many other parts of the state, for that matter) taller buildings designated for high-piled storage have been protected through ordinance and policy by systems ranging from .45/3000 to .60/2000. ESFR in a spec' building isn't unheard of, but a more common practice is to make a building ESFR-ready, then install spray sprinklers and deliver a .60/2000 or something similar. But those are generally demands from the private sector, and not driven by public policy. Keep in mind that there are code benefits to ESFR, particularly the alleviation of smoke/heat vent requirements, so if a building is being considered that has a high likelihood of benefitting from ESFR down the road, there will also be savings in the first costs of construction and lingering benefits to the owner in terms of leasablity and a wider range of tenants who can move in at lower cost to all parties. In City of San Diego, we protect any commercial shell buildings (including Office buildings as we have a lot of biotech and RD in office parks) with OH2 and S2 warehouse shells with .45/3000. Steve -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stites Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Spec Building I seem to remember a density (.17 / 3000' ? - .25 / 3000'?)) for buildings with undetermined occupancy. Such as a spec building or a lease building. Anybody know where that code is? (If it exists at all) -- Gary Stites www.sprinklersoft.net ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
RE: Spec Building
I always include a prominent note on the drawing stating that the occupancy of this building is not to exceed whatever the density is. A separate letter to the GC and/or owner may likewise be appropriate. Could be a potential liability issue if not well documented. At 02:12 PM 9/12/2010, you wrote: There are some city level amendments in the KC are also. The one I see most frequently is Class 3 commodity to 20' on single/double racks (wood pallets) Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection *Licensed in KS MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 6:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Spec Building We've had amendments in the California Building Code that established OH II as the absolute minimum density for any building of unknown use. In San Diego (and many other parts of the state, for that matter) taller buildings designated for high-piled storage have been protected through ordinance and policy by systems ranging from .45/3000 to .60/2000. ESFR in a spec' building isn't unheard of, but a more common practice is to make a building ESFR-ready, then install spray sprinklers and deliver a .60/2000 or something similar. But those are generally demands from the private sector, and not driven by public policy. Keep in mind that there are code benefits to ESFR, particularly the alleviation of smoke/heat vent requirements, so if a building is being considered that has a high likelihood of benefitting from ESFR down the road, there will also be savings in the first costs of construction and lingering benefits to the owner in terms of leasablity and a wider range of tenants who can move in at lower cost to all parties. In City of San Diego, we protect any commercial shell buildings (including Office buildings as we have a lot of biotech and RD in office parks) with OH2 and S2 warehouse shells with .45/3000. Steve -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stites Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Spec Building I seem to remember a density (.17 / 3000' ? - .25 / 3000'?)) for buildings with undetermined occupancy. Such as a spec building or a lease building. Anybody know where that code is? (If it exists at all) -- Gary Stites www.sprinklersoft.net ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860.535.2080 www.fpdc.com ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
RE: Spec Building
We've had amendments in the California Building Code that established OH II as the absolute minimum density for any building of unknown use. In San Diego (and many other parts of the state, for that matter) taller buildings designated for high-piled storage have been protected through ordinance and policy by systems ranging from .45/3000 to .60/2000. ESFR in a spec' building isn't unheard of, but a more common practice is to make a building ESFR-ready, then install spray sprinklers and deliver a .60/2000 or something similar. But those are generally demands from the private sector, and not driven by public policy. Keep in mind that there are code benefits to ESFR, particularly the alleviation of smoke/heat vent requirements, so if a building is being considered that has a high likelihood of benefitting from ESFR down the road, there will also be savings in the first costs of construction and lingering benefits to the owner in terms of leasablity and a wider range of tenants who can move in at lower cost to all parties. In City of San Diego, we protect any commercial shell buildings (including Office buildings as we have a lot of biotech and RD in office parks) with OH2 and S2 warehouse shells with .45/3000. Steve -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stites Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Spec Building I seem to remember a density (.17 / 3000' ? - .25 / 3000'?)) for buildings with undetermined occupancy. Such as a spec building or a lease building. Anybody know where that code is? (If it exists at all) -- Gary Stites www.sprinklersoft.net ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
