Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-15 Thread J.B. Nicholson

Richard Hipp wrote:

Please try again.


Thanks, this change allows me to read the articles.
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Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-13 Thread Richard Hipp
On 3/13/20, J.B. Nicholson  wrote:
>
> But every link in that table which would (again I assume) point to a page
> with that
> thread's text instead points to https://sqlite.org/forum/honeypot .

Ah.  That's the anti-robot defense mechanism.  See
https://fossil-scm.org/fossil/doc/trunk/www/antibot.wiki for details.

Since the Forum does not (yet) have diffs and annotations and tarballs
and all the other features of Fossil that cause mindless robots to
burn CPU cycles on the server, I suppose I can disable that mechanism
for the Forum, which I have now done.

Please try again.
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Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-13 Thread J.B. Nicholson

Richard Hipp wrote:

As far as I know, the forum only uses javascript to scroll to the most
recent posting when you load a new thread.  So if you don't mind
scrolling manually, I think everything else will just work.  Did you
try it?


I did try it and your description does not match my experience.

Here's what I tried: I visited https://sqlite.org/forum which redirected me to 
https://sqlite.org/forum/forummain and there I see a list of "Most recent threads" 
with a table of (I assume) recent threads and text at the bottom telling me how long 
it took to generate that page.


But every link in that table which would (again I assume) point to a page with that 
thread's text instead points to https://sqlite.org/forum/honeypot . Visiting 
https://sqlite.org/forum/honeypot returns a 1-paragraph page which says "Please 
enable javascript or log in to see this content".


Hence I don't get to read the threads from the thread table.
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Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-13 Thread Richard Hipp
On 3/13/20, Warren Young  wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to use this without running the Javascript?
>
> It should be, but I lack the time right now to test it.  What I can do is
> point you to our documentation on how Fossil uses Javascript now:
>
> https://fossil-scm.org/fossil/doc/js-use-doc/www/javascript.md
>
> If there’s some problem that prevents you from using the forum without
> JavaScript, we’ll certainly consider it a significant issue to be addressed.

As far as I know, the forum only uses javascript to scroll to the most
recent posting when you load a new thread.  So if you don't mind
scrolling manually, I think everything else will just work.  Did you
try it?

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Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-13 Thread Warren Young
On Mar 12, 2020, at 9:19 PM, J.B. Nicholson  wrote:
> 
> Richard Hipp wrote:
>> The Forum is powered by Fossil.  It has been in active use in the
>> Fossil community for a couple of years, and has worked well.
> 
> Is there a way to use this without running the Javascript?

It should be, but I lack the time right now to test it.  What I can do is point 
you to our documentation on how Fossil uses Javascript now:

https://fossil-scm.org/fossil/doc/js-use-doc/www/javascript.md

If there’s some problem that prevents you from using the forum without 
JavaScript, we’ll certainly consider it a significant issue to be addressed.

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Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-13 Thread J Decker
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:32 PM Wout Mertens 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I normally wouldn't do this on the internet, but this mailing list
> goes deep. Not sure how that will go now that we have to use the
> forum, but here goes.
>
> JavaScript makes websites much nicer to work with, by a wide margin,
> especially those with lots of interaction like forums. Furthermore, it
> is quite hard and expensive to make sites that work well with and
> without JS.
>
> Nowadays even microcontrollers can run JS - there are no browsers that
> can't run JS, even the text based ones.
>
> So IMHO, you are asking "please use time/money to achieve this state
> that I prefer but that doesn't make a difference for the vast majority
> of people".
>
> Or am I missing something?
>

Lynx doesn't support JS...  (it's the only one I know)

 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9353519/lynx-with-javascript

http://elinks.or.cz/  is another text based browser   (from that)
a little more searching there's https://www.brow.sh/


> Wout.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:19 AM J.B. Nicholson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Richard Hipp wrote:
> > > The Forum is powered by Fossil.  It has been in active use in the
> > > Fossil community for a couple of years, and has worked well.
> >
> > Is there a way to use this without running the Javascript?
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Re: [sqlite] New SQLite Forum requires Javascript?

2020-03-12 Thread Wout Mertens
Hi,

I normally wouldn't do this on the internet, but this mailing list
goes deep. Not sure how that will go now that we have to use the
forum, but here goes.

JavaScript makes websites much nicer to work with, by a wide margin,
especially those with lots of interaction like forums. Furthermore, it
is quite hard and expensive to make sites that work well with and
without JS.

Nowadays even microcontrollers can run JS - there are no browsers that
can't run JS, even the text based ones.

So IMHO, you are asking "please use time/money to achieve this state
that I prefer but that doesn't make a difference for the vast majority
of people".

Or am I missing something?

Wout.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:19 AM J.B. Nicholson  wrote:
>
> Richard Hipp wrote:
> > The Forum is powered by Fossil.  It has been in active use in the
> > Fossil community for a couple of years, and has worked well.
>
> Is there a way to use this without running the Javascript?
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