Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote: > > Yes, this is the library with a few small playlists that scan without > > errors. Will fill it up and send again. I use fulltext search > regulary, > > so this won't be a longterm option for me. > > Are you using the search eg. find a playlist by track, too? In the past > > we only stored the playlist's name and URL in the FTS index, but no > track information. One change from about a year ago now puts all track > information in the playlist index, too. This allows you to search for a > > playlist by track title, or artist of a track etc. > > If you didn't use this feature and were willing and able to edit a text > > file, you could disable this new behaviour and easily fall back to the > much faster and less memory hungry old method. It is certainly not a problem for me to continue without the playlist search by title, I 'd never use this. I have only a few playlists, which are all stored in one directory. So there is no reason to search this way. Bronx Bronx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.2.1 and 8.3
I have been using LMS 8.2.0 nightlies with no problems on my SB2s. But I finally decided to try 8.2.1, and 8.3, and found problems after installation of both. The first problem was that my Presets, for accessing my Tunein stations, from Player/Device1/Menus does not show up on my screen even though it is selected. I also noticed that I receive an error message when I access the Plugins tab. The message indicates that my repositories are not accesable. I use them to keep some plugins updated especially SuperDateTime! This might be why I get a ? on my screen when the SB2 is off. In addition, when I manually check for an updated version in Advanced/Software Updates, there is no reaction to selecting the "Check for updates now" button. No message pops up indicating whether an update is available or not. And when I try to reinstall 8.2.0 by overwriting 8.2.1/8.3, as I normally do when updating to a new version, I have the same problems as when I update to 8.2.1/8.3. Since I have been unable to fix the problem all I can do is use a backup copy of my Windows 7 to go back to 8.2.0. Any suggestions would be appreciated. EEYORE EEYORE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68309 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115005 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Installing LMS on my new DS420+
mherger wrote: > > > > Where would you see those characters? In the web UI? On a > Controller/Touch/Radio? Or on a Classic/Transporter? > > > 3. Do you have any idea whether picore player LMS supports asian > > characters or not? > > Please define "support". See above question: it's not clear what is not > > working. I have some Arabic in my collection, and that works fine using > > pCP to run LMS and the web UI, but it wouldn't render correctly in > Squeezeplay (Touch, Radio). That's a limitation in those devices, not on > > the server. I use logitech transporter as the player. I don't have other clients. so far, I can only see the Chinese characters properly displayed on the transporter screen with "larsks' image" based images. This is what I meant by "support. Right now, there are only two such images available: Apnar/ligitech-media-server joschi/lms Both of these are based on larsks original image. I am using the same host - DS920+. It appears to me this is image-dependent. I have tried about 10 other images including the official one, none would dispaly Chinese properly on the transporter. Thanks tigs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114873 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
Bronx wrote: > I uploaded the library.db with all 45 playlists some minutes ago. > Additionally the playlist files. When sorting the playlist-files by size > I did a rescan with all the playlists up to and with size 527 KB and > this rescan ended error free. Afterwards additionally with playlists up > to size 1 MB, this rescan was prematurely terminated when building > fulltext index 4. It is not clear to me whether this is due to the sum > of all playlists or to a single one. So on the other hand it is clear > that not the playlists with a size of more than 1 MB alone lead to the > error. That's all I can help with at the moment. I've committed a change which... looks too good to be true! It brought down FTS indexing time from somewhere around 45 minutes to about 3 minutes. Scanning your 20k playlist previously took about 16 minutes alone, and memory consumption spiked around 9GB. Now it takes seconds, and memory stays around 1GB (with memory set to Maximum). It's late. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. So please give the search feature using FTS some thorough testing! Oh: you'll have to rescan your collection to make this work (no wipe required). Michael "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!" (LMS: Settings/Information) mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
Yes, this is the library with a few small playlists that scan without errors. Will fill it up and send again. I use fulltext search regulary, so this won't be a longterm option for me. Are you using the search eg. find a playlist by track, too? In the past we only stored the playlist's name and URL in the FTS index, but no track information. One change from about a year ago now puts all track information in the playlist index, too. This allows you to search for a playlist by track title, or artist of a track etc. If you didn't use this feature and were willing and able to edit a text file, you could disable this new behaviour and easily fall back to the much faster and less memory hungry old method. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
philchillbill wrote: > It most certainly is scanned/indexed but is all local. It took about 15 > seconds before playback started so building it took a wee bit. > > Just for clarity, a random playlist is built when requested - it's not > in a .m3u file anywhere. I think youll find it is in a dynamically created .m3u file but is in the cache folder and I think is named players-Mac-address.m3u VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
I uploaded the library.db with all 45 playlists some minutes ago. Scan is still running. But quite interesting observation already: the memory footprint was pretty stable - until the playlist FTS index started. Scanning the largest of them took a little over 15mins. Memory usage immediately increased by 300-400MB, where it stayed for the first 5-10mins. Then it jumped by another 5GB, steadily increasing until it used about 8.5GB more than before this playlist... ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
d6jg wrote: > But that wasnt scanned or indexed was it? Was it all local or > mixed with online tracks? It most certainly is scanned/indexed but is all local. It took about 15 seconds before playback started so building it took a wee bit. Just for clarity, a random playlist is built when requested - it's not in a .m3u file anywhere. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
philchillbill wrote: > I just asked Alexa to 'play some Trance'. It loaded a 26808 tracks > playlist no problem. I have my upper limit set at 100K :cool: Don't > underestimate LMS ! I do run on an Intel NUC with 8GB RAM. But that wasnt scanned or indexed was it? Was it all local or mixed with online tracks? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote: > >Would LMS even be able to load a 20k tracks playlist? I just asked Alexa to 'play some Trance'. It loaded a 26808 tracks playlist no problem. I have my upper limit set at 100K :cool: Don't underestimate LMS ! I do run on an Intel NUC with 8GB RAM. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote: > > I uploaded the library.db with all 45 playlists some minutes ago. > > Additionally the playlist files. When sorting the playlist-files by > size > > I did a rescan with all the playlists up to and with size 527 KB and > > this rescan ended error free. Afterwards additionally with playlists > up > > to size 1 MB, this rescan was prematurely terminated when building > > fulltext index 4. It is not clear to me whether this is due to the > sum > > of all playlists or to a single one. So on the other hand it is clear > > that not the playlists with a size of more than 1 MB alone lead to > the > > error. That's all I can help with at the moment. > > Thanks! I'll see what I can do. Most likely this is the change that > broke the scan for you: > > https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/commit/077e3dfe8cc9774399a7835fd1f7e9a3a92099e4 > > "Improve indexing performance on large playlists" - probably at the cost > > of memory usage... And not with that large playlists :-). Would LMS even > > be able to load a 20k tracks playlist? Hello Michael That is a very valid question. I believe that playlists with up to 20'000 have been opened and played in LMS without error message (at least started, who listens through 20'000 files? ;-)). I checked: I actually set the limit to 20'000 tracks. But of course this is an edge case, what's the point of generating such big playlists? Here is my special explanation: I open them with foobar2000 and copy the corresponding music files to other directories to distribute them on my mp3 player, my iphone or on USB stick for my car or my friends. I usually do not select such extreme playlists to play in LMS. I am quite sure that playlists up to 4'000 tracks (size around 1 MB) will play in LMS without any problems. As I said, I am an edge-case and fully understand if for me the troubleshooting effort is limited. However, for me the error seems to be related to the sum rather than the size of the playlists. Again, thank you very much. Bronx Bronx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
I uploaded the library.db with all 45 playlists some minutes ago. Additionally the playlist files. When sorting the playlist-files by size I did a rescan with all the playlists up to and with size 527 KB and this rescan ended error free. Afterwards additionally with playlists up to size 1 MB, this rescan was prematurely terminated when building fulltext index 4. It is not clear to me whether this is due to the sum of all playlists or to a single one. So on the other hand it is clear that not the playlists with a size of more than 1 MB alone lead to the error. That's all I can help with at the moment. Thanks! I'll see what I can do. Most likely this is the change that broke the scan for you: https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/commit/077e3dfe8cc9774399a7835fd1f7e9a3a92099e4 "Improve indexing performance on large playlists" - probably at the cost of memory usage... And not with that large playlists :-). Would LMS even be able to load a 20k tracks playlist? ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote: > > I added a small number of small playlists back to the playlist folder > > (*.m3u). These were scanned without errors. Will check occasionally > if > > the error occurs because of a specific playlist or because of the > > accumulation of a larger number of large playlists. > > > > I have uploaded library.db to your dropbox. > > Thanks! That copy only has about ten playlists. Is this the full list, > or the small number? I'd have been interested of a copy with the full > list, of course... > > BTW: you could disable the Fulltext Search plugin (if you don't need it) > > to overcome this limitation. I'm still thinking about how to be able to > > test your issue. Even with the DB file it's not easy to come up with a > good procedure. I uploaded the library.db with all 45 playlists some minutes ago. Additionally the playlist files. When sorting the playlist-files by size I did a rescan with all the playlists up to and with size 527 KB and this rescan ended error free. Afterwards additionally with playlists up to size 1 MB, this rescan was prematurely terminated when building fulltext index 4. It is not clear to me whether this is due to the sum of all playlists or to a single one. So on the other hand it is clear that not the playlists with a size of more than 1 MB alone lead to the error. That's all I can help with at the moment. Bronx Bronx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote: > > I added a small number of small playlists back to the playlist folder > > (*.m3u). These were scanned without errors. Will check occasionally > if > > the error occurs because of a specific playlist or because of the > > accumulation of a larger number of large playlists. > > > > I have uploaded library.db to your dropbox. > > Thanks! That copy only has about ten playlists. Is this the full list, > or the small number? I'd have been interested of a copy with the full > list, of course... > > BTW: you could disable the Fulltext Search plugin (if you don't need it) > > to overcome this limitation. I'm still thinking about how to be able to > > test your issue. Even with the DB file it's not easy to come up with a > good procedure. Yes, this is the library with a few small playlists that scan without errors. Will fill it up and send again. I use fulltext search regulary, so this won't be a longterm option for me. Bronx Bronx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote: > > "Improved shuffling method to give more "balanced" results" > > > > What does that mean in reality? > > I notice that random play is more "coherent", but what are the > > principles? > > Make it less random... Seriously. The new algorithm tries to avoid > repetition of the same artist or whatever, as people are expecting > random to be evenly distributed (which it doesn't need to be). > > There's be a lengthy discussion somewhere in this forum. I Think that true random should be, to start looking at the playlist length. Example 350 tracks. And then random 1 to 350 .. This would be true random of the PLAYLIST. Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Preamp Gato PRD-3S NPM, Martin Logan Vista speakers, Power-AMP Gato DPA-4004 (biamp setup). Kitchen: Transporter - Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Summerhouse: Touch - Bencmark DAC1, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114928 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
I added a small number of small playlists back to the playlist folder (*.m3u). These were scanned without errors. Will check occasionally if the error occurs because of a specific playlist or because of the accumulation of a larger number of large playlists. I have uploaded library.db to your dropbox. Thanks! That copy only has about ten playlists. Is this the full list, or the small number? I'd have been interested of a copy with the full list, of course... BTW: you could disable the Fulltext Search plugin (if you don't need it) to overcome this limitation. I'm still thinking about how to be able to test your issue. Even with the DB file it's not easy to come up with a good procedure. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Logitech Media Server 8.2.0 released
mherger wrote:
> > I have logged the memory usage during the rescan under 8.2.1. The
> result
> > is roughly the same as in 7.9.3. Start at about 48%, up to 58%, then
> to
> > about 68% at the end and then it stops. The fact that the usage is 3-5
> %
> > points higher may only have to do with the running performance
> monitor
> > or other background processes. The memory usage of 68% does not go
> down
> > after the abort. Scanner.log is identical to my first mail. According
> to
> > the log, the abort occurs at the completion of the 4th full-text
> index
> > (playlists).
>
> One more check you could run: how much space is left on the device where
>
> you have your LMS cache (see Settings/Information), and/or the system's
>
> temporary folder ("ECHO %Temp%" in a command window)?
On the SSD, on which LMS and the temporary files/caches are running,
there are still about 170 GB free out of 250 GB:
C:\>echo %temp%
C:\Users\HP\AppData\Local\Temp
Verzeichnis von C:\Users\HP\AppData\Local\Temp
18.08.2021 07:35 .
18.08.2021 07:35 ..
18.08.2021 07:4153 .ses
18.08.2021 07:09 0
1d7ad939-4130-42ad-9c52-565f02bd6ea9.tmp
18.08.2021 07:34 0
8e990bec-717d-431e-860e-4256fad76d24.tmp
18.08.2021 06:16 0
921253ca-3004-4e51-b83b-7137ff81d219.tmp
18.08.2021 07:34 0
965e0943-ba2b-4db8-9e52-4d1a8fc37213.tmp
18.08.2021 07:33 0
fff56c07-7f10-487a-a451-dfee1e80558d.tmp
29.05.2021 11:44 Low
17.08.2021 18:31 MicroThemePackDir
16.08.2021 21:48 pdk-HP-8524
17.08.2021 00:3539'888 wct1950.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wct1AE7.tmp
11.08.2021 20:1539'853 wct32FB.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wct358C.tmp
13.08.2021 19:3539'887 wct652A.tmp
13.08.2021 19:3539'887 wct67CE.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wct67FA.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wct6975.tmp
11.08.2021 20:1539'853 wct6ABB.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wct7115.tmp
09.08.2021 23:2039'853 wct8E85.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wct9155.tmp
11.08.2021 20:1539'853 wctDCEC.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wctDF9D.tmp
13.08.2021 19:3539'887 wctE79A.tmp
06.08.2021 19:45 726 wctEAE7.tmp
22 Datei(en),324'822 Bytes
5 Verzeichnis(se), 180'355'096'576 Bytes frei
I added a small number of small playlists back to the playlist folder
(*.m3u). These were scanned without errors. Will check occasionally if
the error occurs because of a specific playlist or because of the
accumulation of a larger number of large playlists.
I have uploaded library.db to your dropbox.
Thank you!
Bronx
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Help request: LMS not starting up after reboot
Man in a van wrote: > "Automatically start server when system boots" has been broken for a > long time, boot from login works :) > Thanks a lot Ronnie, this is really helpful. I will test "Start LMS at login" again. I updated my SSL libs a while back already to see if that worked. It helped with installing firmware updates on my Touch for the LMS 8.2 but not for this. I'm going to read through all the threads (I did search but peobably not well enough) and see if a solution comes up. Thanks again, Jan janpeeters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115000 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New LMS version notification shows commits vs changelog
Tx for considering, yes I can see if you're on nightlies the commits timeline list would be helpful. FWIW the pCP LMS page says I'm on the Release branch. mr-b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10044 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114997 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Moving LMS to a new computer
agbagb wrote: > Also, almost always a "new computer" is substantially faster - > processor, ssd etc etc - than your old one, even if getting a faster > machine has not per se been an objective of the upgrade. I'd say that is an oversimplified assumption. In fact I would expect it to be more likely that people will 'downgrade' their LMS platform by moving from a Windows PC to something like a Pi to save on their electric bill and eliminate fan noise. gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115002 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Moving LMS to a new computer
Also, almost always a "new computer" is substantially faster - processor, ssd etc etc - than your old one, even if getting a faster machine has not per se been an objective of the upgrade. When I installed LMS on this new machine, and plugged in a 1tb external ssd packed full of FLAC stuff, I expected a looong scan, overnight and more. Took a couple of hours. LMS 8.2.1 - 1628023316 Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115002 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
