Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread bpa


urknall wrote: 
> I have also observed something similar lately and am wondering if this
> is somehow related:
> 
> under favorites i have created a folder for my top radio stations, when
> i select for example a radio station which i marked as favorite in that
> folder from the radio now playing plugin (in this special case: RPR1.
> 80er Rock (aac)) and hit on play artwork is displayed. When i click
> pause that stream and later start the stream again by clicking on play
> again (without going the way over favorites again) the artwork is not
> updated any more. As soon as i restart the stream again from folder
> under favorites, the artwork is updated again.

It's another manifestation of similar behaviour but maybe not as such
"related" . Many ways for this to happen. 
Probably if the stream is paused for longer than about 30 secs - often
the source station will close the TCP connection.  If metadata is being
provided by a plugin, then stream "stop" or "close" is signalled to the
"active" plugin to stop all related activity and discard context.  So
all that is left is the URL that was being played (i.e. the pure URL
after all the processing, redirection and drilling down through
playlists).

Similar issue can be seen -  playing a stream from favorites.  While
playing a favorite  go into player context menu and use save Favorite
menu.  The saved URL will be the "final" URL and not the save as the
originating "favorite".  If you play it, it is unlikely you'll get
metadata or even station logo and title (although what is saved can
depend on which type of player you are using) .



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread bpa


Redrum wrote: 
> But if playlists were intended only for songs, so be it. LMS is just as
> wonderful without it.

Unfortunately, with internet stream things are always changing and
developers re-use code/protocols  in a different context which have a
side effect in old implementations.
M3U were originally playlist of files with fixed duration.
Then used by internet stations to load balance or provide choice (e.g.
bit rates, gelocking).
Now changed again (by Apple) to create HLS protocol where a stream is
made up of constantly changing M3U playlist made up of URLs for "files"
of about 3-6 secs in duration. 

It is all a moving target and just have to decide where to spend time.
Priorities are usually 1. implement the new stuff 2. Fix broken stuff
and 3. anything else if there is time.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread bpa


funa wrote: 
> Yes, it seems to be something related to Radiotime streams.
It will probably also appear with any stream that does not have embedded
metadata and that uses a plugin to get metadata such as Radio Paradise
and Radio Now Playing


> 
> I really see no reason why playlist should not contain radio stations.
> It is an item in the list and you can easily switch between stations in
> the list.
> I mainly use my own streamer based on LMS and the communication is based
> on CLI.
> So I send commands > 
Code:

  >   > playlist index -1

> >  or > 
Code:

  >   > playlist index +1

> >  to switch between stations in the playlist.
> 
> No clue how to switch to the previous/next item in some favorites
> folder via CLI.
> If anybody (maybe d6jg) knows how to do it, please let me know.

If you can see something similar when using Material UI - then enable
Material debugging (e.g. http://localhost:9000/material/?debug=json
),open WebUI developer console and you'll JSON commands which  are
easily translated into CLI.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread funa


It seems I found out what is causing the issue.

The original radio station that has issues with artwork/titles:
1.FM Classic Rock

Code:


http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s116726=aac,ogg,mp3,wmpro,wma,wmvoice,hls=16=5cb2c26d64f04c89f1b4c05e6357be69



When this station is in the playlist it works/plays fine - artwork and
titles are displayed correctly.

However, when I add to the playlist
Rock Max

Code:


http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s24937=aac,ogg,mp3,wmpro,wma,wmvoice,hls=16=2a022dd1b739b562eb0e8a962297a025=s



the artwork/titles of the currently playing (1.FM Classic Rock)
changes.
To reproduce the issue it is enough to browse to a playlist containing
this station (Rock Max).

> The issues is probably (I haven't analysed the streams). - 1.FM does not
> include metadata in the stream so metadata is being supplied by Tune-in
> (aka Radiotime). LMS detects when a Radiotime stream is being played by
> the top level playlist URL (i.e. opml.radiotime.com ...) and then the
> RadioTime plugin fetches the metadata.
> 

Yes, it seems to be something related to Radiotime streams.


Regarding radios in the playlist ("unintended use"):

I really see no reason why playlist should not contain radio stations.
It is an item in the list and you can easily switch between stations in
the list.
I mainly use my own streamer based on LMS and the communication is based
on CLI.
So I send commands 
Code:

playlist index -1

 or 
Code:

playlist index +1

 to switch between stations in the playlist.

No clue how to switch to the previous/next item in some favorites folder
via CLI.
If anybody (maybe d6jg) knows how to do it, please let me know.

Thanks for help.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread Redrum


bpa wrote: 
> .
> 
> There are a limited number of developers and they only have limited time
> to look after issues. So if a fix for this issue is offered by a user,
> it will be checked and probably accepted.

I appreciate you giving it some thought and hypothesizing on what might
be happening, but again, I have no issue with the behavior observed. I
was just confirming I experienced what the OP was reporting.

Would it be nice if it behaved the same way for streams as it does for
songs? Sure. I stated the use case. But if playlists were intended only
for songs, so be it. LMS is just as wonderful without it.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread urknall


I have also observed something similar lately and am wondering if this
is somehow related:

under favorites i have created a folder for my top radio stations, when
i select for example a radio station which i marked as favorite in that
folder from the radio now playing plugin (in this special case: RPR1.
80er Rock (aac)) and hit on play artwork is displayed. When i click
pause that stream and later start the stream again by clicking on play
again (without going the way over favorites again) the artwork is not
updated any more. As soon as i restart the stream again from folder
under favorites, the artwork is updated again.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread bpa


Redrum wrote: 
> when I tried it and it failed, I tried it with the RP FLAC (both), mp3,
> and a couple of other random stations (probably tune in) Again, what I
> saw is you can add them all fine, and they usually play, but when you
> switch from playing say position 5, to 2, 2 plays with the meta data for
> 5.
> 
> I really just wanted to confirm that I saw what the OP saw, as I dropped
> it months ago, but I can recreate exact steps if requested.

I'm sure you're seeing a problem whether it is easily fixed is another
issues.

This is my idea of what happening although I not sure about some LMS
details.
Originally metadata was embedded in stream using ICY protocols.  
Often the URL to be played was a playlists which provided a number of
URLS to spread loads across servers.
However some stream just provided metadata on their websites (to force
users to see ads) so LMS added support for plugins which "registered"
with LMS to be activated whenever a specific URL is being played. 
Because the URL being played may not be the original URL played (e.g
redirected, playlist, CDN) - the concept of a "original" top URL is used
in LMS as the actual playing URL is not the URL that was originally
requested to play.  Over time additional APIs (function calls) have been
added to LMS to assist in tracking back to the "original" URL. I know
some of my plugins do not use these new APIs and so could be faulty in
some circumstances as they did workarounds (i.e. poked directly into
LMS) - I expect the same may be true of other plugins.

IIRC - Radio Paradise Flac uses a plugin for metadata (I think RP plugin
does more as RP Flac stream is special)
I don't know how the metadata is handled for the other stream you
mention. 
Metadata gathering in plugins are often driven by a timer - so once
activated stay running until some notifications.  
LMS will also request "metadata" suppliers for metadata (i.e. the
plugins getMetadatafor routine ) for playing stream but it is also
called for each item in a playlist waiting to be played (i.e. return
station icon/name metadata and not current metadata for a stream NOT
playing) . 

After moving up/down, some plugins may not be handling the "playlist"
aspect correctly or there may be issues (e.g. cached URLs) with
identifying "top" URL for the playing stream.

There are a limited number of developers and they only have limited time
to look after issues. So if a fix for this issue is offered by a user,
it will be checked and probably accepted.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread Redrum


Redrum wrote: 
> .
> 
> I really just wanted to confirm that I saw what the OP saw, as I dropped
> it months ago, but I can recreate exact steps if requested.
> 
> 

It's easy to create. see the image below. I selected planet radio to
"play" (top of cue). I added to queue (second to bottom) planet
pootwaddle, mother earth instrumental, radio paradise flac (regular) -
bottom. All good. I switched to radio paradise to play. Still OK. I
switched to planet pootwaddle to play, and it played, but it adopted the
artwork and song info from Mother Earth (which was never played)

Note in this case, after one song played, it self corrected, but it
doesn't always correct, just remains "stuck"

Again, it's not anything I am requesting be "fixed" if it is an
unintended use.


Jim

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread Redrum


bpa wrote: 
> The issues is probably (I haven't analysed the streams). - 1.FM does not
> include metadata in the stream so metadata is being supplied by Tune-in
> (aka  Radiotime).  LMS detects when a Radiotime stream is being played
> by the top level playlist URL (i.e. opml.radiotime.com ...) and then the
> RadioTime plugin fetches the metadata.
> 
> I suspect (but needs to be checked) when you put the the Radiotime URL
> within another playlist - it is no longer the top playlist and so plugin
> may not be activated (it looks for a radiotime.com or tunein.com URL to
> be playing).  The "bug" may be a limitation of LMS.   For playing URL
> (1.FM urL) within a playlist (opml.radio.com) within a playlist (your
> playlist with multiple URLs) - there can be only one top URL - having
> nested "top" URLs may be too complicated to manage.
> 
> To test - you should confirms the URL that is in your playlist si the
> onme liust in your 1st post.  You could try enabling logging for
> plugin.radio and maybe formats.metadata

when I tried it and it failed, I tried it with the RP FLAC (both), mp3,
and a couple of other random stations (probably tune in) Again, what I
saw is you can add them all fine, and they usually play, but when you
switch from playing say position 5, to 2, 2 plays with the meta data for
5.

I really just wanted to confirm that I saw what the OP saw, as I dropped
it months ago, but I can recreate exact steps if requested.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-28 Thread Redrum

d6jg wrote: 
> But it’s not a playlist is it?
> A playlist plays items in sequence.
> You are treating it as a collection of favourites.
> Why should the developers (Michael) code for an unintended use when
> favourites does exactly what you want - albeit you might have to
> manually create them if you want a station in 2 or more places?
> I’m sure Michael has a long list of development ideas that would rank
> ahead of this.

Jim, I am not trying to ruffle any feathers, and I am not trying to
request any more work of anyone. I simply was confirming that I had seen
and reported what the OP had seen. Back when I tried it, I saw an
unintended use for it, had a "wow cool!" moment until I found the
issues. Like I said before, when I saw it wasn't something that was
"just broke and could be fixed" I just dropped it. I sincerely thought I
was reporting an issue that maybe had been created with a rev to LMS,
but realized that was not the case.

I have a use for something similar. I have a group of starting I select
between in the morning, and a group that I listen to in the afternoon,
especially late afternoon when I am fading a bit. Sometimes a station is
playing something I don't care for, so I switch it. I really like the
presets of, say a boom or a radio for switching station. But that does
not exists in LMS, sat on the material apk on my phone. Since I have my
favorites in a menu structure, I have several taps back and forward to
change the station.

My coding skills have not been used since K 'C' (without the ++), but
I have thought about trying to develop a plugin that would allow either
presets, or a favorite that can be a redirection (pointer) to another
favorite. Yes, you can duplicate, but when something changes with the
station (url) you need to change all locations.

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread d6jg

funa wrote: 
> Well, I see no reason to change the display of the currently played
> station (i.e. artwork, title, artist) just because I'm browsing the
> playlists.
> 
> I also see no reason to display different data for the same station
> depending from where it was started playing.
> 
> I can't use folders as it is not possible to load such folder as a
> playlist via CLI.
> I really don't see a reason why not to put radio stations in a playlist
> so you can easily change them through the playlist with the PREV/NEXT
> buttons.

Why can’t you call a favourite from the CLI if it’s in a folder? Are you
sure? Have you tried?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread bpa


The issues is probably (I have analysed the streams). - 1.FM does not
include metadata in the stream so metadata is being supplied by Tune-in
(aka  Radiotime).  LMS detects when a Radiotime stream is being played
by the top level playlist URL (i.e. opml.radiotime.com ...) and then the
RadioTime plugin fetches the metadata.

I suspect (but needs to be checked) when you put the the Radiotime URL
within another playlist - it is no longer the top playlist and so plugin
may not be activated (it looks for a radiotime.com or tunein.com URL to
be playing).  The "bug" may be a limitation of LMS.   For playing URL
(1.FM urL) within a playlist (opml.radio.com) within a playlist (your
playlist with multiple URLs) - there can be only one top URL - having
nested "top" URLs may be too complicated to manage.

To test - you should confirms the URL that is in your playlist si the
onme liust in your 1st post.  You could try enabling logging for
plugin.radio and maybe formats.metadata



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread d6jg

Redrum wrote: 
> Hi Jim (d6jg) - I disagree on the bizarre comment, I actually thought it
> would be great if it worked (back when I tried it). In a way, it could
> be thought of as a list of presets. Let's say you have 50 stations of
> all genres, in a folder structure. You want to create a playlist of your
> 5 favorite "active" or "mellow" stations (which might be on different
> branches of the folder structure), create those playlists, load them,
> and choose between the stations.
> 
> But it doesn't work. I reported this back here:
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?116190-I-broke-LMS-How-did-I-do-it-Can-I-fix-without-reinstalling
> and here
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?116205-Multiple-Radio-Stations-In-The-Queue-Observations-and-Unexpected-Behaviour=1051646#post1051646
> 
> I am often asked here to provide as much detail as possibly, and I tend
> to be a bit verbose (engineer), but in this thread I took a bit of flack
> for it, so I stopped pursuit of a solution.
> 
> what I remember is that you could load stations into the queue (and save
> to playlist if you like), and you could select a member of the list, it
> would play, but eventually the artwork and meta data (from the previous
> station) would persist when selecting a new station. Sp, play A, works
> fine, switch to B, plays fine, but with A's artwork/meta. There was
> other unexpected behavior including LMS locking up.
> 
> The other comment regarding creating a folder in favorites - this woud
> work, but in my use case you would have to duplicate the favorites, and
> to do this, you have to manually create them. If LMS had a way of
> creating a redirection (pointer) as a favorite item, this would help,
> but it doesnt (to the best of my knowledge)
> 
> Jim

But it’s not a playlist is it?
A playlist plays items in sequence.
You are treating it as a collection of favourites.
Why should the developers (Michael) code for an unintended use when
favourites does exactly what you want - albeit you might have to
manually create them if you want a station in 2 or more places?
I’m sure Michael has a long list of development ideas that would rank
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread Redrum


Hi Jim (d6jg) - I disagree on the bizarre comment, I actually thought it
would be great if it worked (back when I tried it). In a way, it could
be thought of as a list of presets. Let's say you have 50 stations of
all genres, in a folder structure. You want to create a playlist of your
5 favorite "active" or "mellow" stations (which might be on different
branches of the folder structure), create those playlists, load them,
and choose between the stations.

But it doesn't work. I reported this back here:
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?116190-I-broke-LMS-How-did-I-do-it-Can-I-fix-without-reinstalling
and here
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?116205-Multiple-Radio-Stations-In-The-Queue-Observations-and-Unexpected-Behaviour=1051646#post1051646

I am often asked here to provide as much detail as possibly, and I tend
to be a bit verbose (engineer), but in this thread I took a bit of flack
for it, so I stopped pursuit of a solution.

what I remember is that you could load stations into the queue (and save
to playlist if you like), and you could select a member of the list, it
would play, but eventually the artwork and meta data (from the previous
station) would persist when selecting a new station. Sp, play A, works
fine, switch to B, plays fine, but with A's artwork/meta. There was
other unexpected behavior including LMS locking up.

The other comment regarding creating a folder in favorites - this woud
work, but in my use case you would have to duplicate the favorites, and
to do this, you have to manually create them. If LMS had a way of
creating a redirection (pointer) as a favorite item, this would help,
but it doesnt (to the best of my knowledge)

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread funa


Well, I see no reason to change the display of the currently played
station (i.e. artwork, title, artist) just because I'm browsing the
playlists.

I also see no reason to display different data for the same station
depending from where it was started playing.

I can't use folders as it is not possible to load such folder as a
playlist via CLI.
I really don't see a reason why not to put radio stations in a playlist
so you can easily change them through the playlist with the PREV/NEXT
buttons.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread d6jg


With respect your use case is a bit bizarre.

Playlists are intended as just that not as a means of categorising Radio
stations. I doubt the developers ever thought anyone would do this hence
when playing the item it displays the associated artwork of the base
entry.

If you want to group Radio stations together create some folders inside
Favourites.



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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS does not show artwork from radio stream when using playlists

2022-12-27 Thread funa


Hello,

I experience a very strange and annoying issue with Logitech Media
Server.
Using version 8.3.1.
The issue is with CLI and web interface.
I'll describe it using the web interface.

The problem is that LMS does not show song artwork and artist/title info
as sent by the stream when the station is played from a playlist.

I'm using playlists to group similar stations together.

Using this radio station for testing:
1.FM Classic Rock
http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s116726=aac,ogg,mp3,wmpro,wma,wmvoice,hls=16=5cb2c26d64f04c89f1b4c05e6357be69

When the radio station is saved as a favorite and played from the
favorite list
the artwork, artist and the title are correctly displayed - see
screenshot lms-1.

Code:


/imageproxy/http%3A%2F%2Fcdn-albums.tunein.com%2Fgn%2FDC79P2T6ZGg.jpg/image_500x500_p.jpg



However, when the radio station is played from the playlist, instead of
the current song artwork as sent by the stream, the station logo is
shown:

Code:

https://cdn-radiotime-logos.tunein.com/s116726q.png



It is even weirder as the display changes as soon as you start browsing
playlists - you don't have to change anything.

For example, when I navigate to the playlist where this radio is stored
(e.g. *Home > Playlists > 5*)
LMS changes the display of the currently played song - see screenshot
lms-2.
BTW the station name in the playlist is wrong - I can't change it, see
not below.
Of course, the same station url is stored in the Favorites and in the
Playlist 5.

And when I press play for this station in the playlist, the artist and
the title get updated to the right data, however, 
the artwork remains station logo - see screenshot lms-3.

Sometimes also the title and artist are not displayed properly.
The title changes to "Title - Artist' format and artist shows the
station name.

To me this seems like a bug.

As a side note there is another issue.
It is impossible to edit station name in the playlist.
When I click on the Edit icon the fields for name and url are displayed,
however, the name is not saved.


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I love 'John Lennon Music' (http://johnlennonmusic.net/)

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