Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Riccardo Castellani wrote: So, for your experience, there is no difference to search specific package for Debian comparating to Ubuntu server ? same cmdline tools. Ubuntu GUI has the different manager. Is search easier in Ubuntu than Debian ? or same thing ? same, except the GUI versions. And about kernel ? they use same version ? same, though Deb is usually newer by a few months to a year. Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: Ok, but about level package updates frequency ? Code gets into Debian, then migrates to Ubuntu from there after a further short delay. About most supported hardware ? same. About stability ? same. - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand these words: I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte You says packages updates are first announced in Debian, then in Ubuntu ? I'm not going to use GUI only text console. Yes. Text console makes no difference. All use the same repository servers. Debian project people build the packages, fix the main bugs. * debian people get updates. Ubuntu people wait for the fixes, download the Debian packages, apply some patches to integrate some stuff with their GUI and rebuild. * ubuntu users get updates Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
I don't understand these words: I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte You says packages updates are first announced in Debian, then in Ubuntu ? I'm not going to use GUI only text console. - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
So, for your experience, there is no difference to search specific package for Debian comparating to Ubuntu server ? Is search easier in Ubuntu than Debian ? or same thing ? And about kernel ? they use same version ? - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: Ok, but about level package updates frequency ? Code gets into Debian, then migrates to Ubuntu from there after a further short delay. About most supported hardware ? same. About stability ? same. - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
My choise is among Ubuntu server and Debian , without GUI. So for my purpose is same thing in both cases ?! my purpose is having: squid proxy + relay sendmail - Original Message - From: Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl To: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Hi there On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Amos Jeffries wrote: The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. You can choose the desktop / window manager. Ubuntu Gnome Kubuntu KDE Xubuntu Xfce AFAIK Ubuntu is a mix of Debian Testing, Unstable and Experimental with a few added non Debian packages. On Debian you can do something similar by installing testing during freeze and then create a few backports from unstable and experimental. Debian Stable / Lenny provides Squid 2.7 and 3.0 (section web). If you want 3.1 you have to compile it yourself; Install gcc and libldap2-dev, libpam0g-dev, libdb-dev, sharutils, dpatch (= 2.0.9), cdbs, libsasl2-dev, debhelper (=5), libcppunit-dev. And download the source of course; http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v3/3.1/ The file http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squid3/squid3_3.0.STABLE8.orig.tar.gz lists the differences between the Debian and the original version of Squid 3.0. It's mainly added copyright notices and a change in the install procedure. I didn't apply the patch (which is for 3.0), but used configure options instead. I could' get all the configure options to work though. Nor did I succeed in telling it not to install libexec in /usr/local/squid/libexec/ It also links libdl instead of librt. I don't know why. It does work though. Regards, Rob
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Debian packages updates are released by longer time comparating to Ubuntu ? They aren't latest, what means ? Why ? - Original Message - From: Yan Seiner y...@seiner.com To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it; squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: so difference, as Yan said, essentially is GUI ? And about other Linux distribution ? Or Debian is nore suitable to ttat job ? Now I'm using Fedora 1 ! I use Debian for servers because it is stable. Yes, not all the packages are the latest. But it works, and works quite well. Fedora is a beta-distro; it's intended to be RedHat's bleeding edge testing ground. IMHO, not suitable for servers. Use RedHat if you want a stable distro version. --Yan - Original Message - From: Yan Seiner y...@seiner.com To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? On Fri, April 3, 2009 2:05 pm, Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. For text UI, debian and ubuntu are virtually the same. I'd go with debian as most of the really nice stuff in ubuntu is around the GUI. --Yan - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Yan Seiner, PE Support my bid for the 4J School Board http://www.seiner.com !DSPAM:49d70036308067818312239! -- Yan Seiner Support my bid for the 4J School Board. Visit http://www.seiner.com/schoolboard
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Rob van der Putten wrote: Hi there On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Amos Jeffries wrote: The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. You can choose the desktop / window manager. Ubuntu Gnome Kubuntu KDE Xubuntu Xfce AFAIK Ubuntu is a mix of Debian Testing, Unstable and Experimental with a few added non Debian packages. On Debian you can do something similar by installing testing during freeze and then create a few backports from unstable and experimental. Debian Stable / Lenny provides Squid 2.7 and 3.0 (section web). If you want 3.1 you have to compile it yourself; Install gcc and libldap2-dev, libpam0g-dev, libdb-dev, sharutils, dpatch (= 2.0.9), cdbs, libsasl2-dev, debhelper (=5), libcppunit-dev. NP: - sharutils no longer needed at all for 3.1+ - libcppunit-dev not required for a simple build, only for a full test+build if you need to be extra certain nothings broken (Debian package build does like to be sure). And download the source of course; http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v3/3.1/ The file http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squid3/squid3_3.0.STABLE8.orig.tar.gz lists the differences between the Debian and the original version of Squid 3.0. It's mainly added copyright notices and a change in the install procedure. I didn't apply the patch (which is for 3.0), but used configure options instead. I could' get all the configure options to work though. Nor did I succeed in telling it not to install libexec in /usr/local/squid/libexec/ It also links libdl instead of librt. I don't know why. It does work though. Regards, Rob Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Hi there On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Amos Jeffries wrote: The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. You can choose the desktop / window manager. Ubuntu Gnome Kubuntu KDE Xubuntu Xfce AFAIK Ubuntu is a mix of Debian Testing, Unstable and Experimental with a few added non Debian packages. On Debian you can do something similar by installing testing during freeze and then create a few backports from unstable and experimental. Debian Stable / Lenny provides Squid 2.7 and 3.0 (section web). If you want 3.1 you have to compile it yourself; Install gcc and libldap2-dev, libpam0g-dev, libdb-dev, sharutils, dpatch (= 2.0.9), cdbs, libsasl2-dev, debhelper (=5), libcppunit-dev. And download the source of course; http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v3/3.1/ The file http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squid3/squid3_3.0.STABLE8.orig.tar.gz lists the differences between the Debian and the original version of Squid 3.0. It's mainly added copyright notices and a change in the install procedure. I didn't apply the patch (which is for 3.0), but used configure options instead. I could' get all the configure options to work though. Nor did I succeed in telling it not to install libexec in /usr/local/squid/libexec/ It also links libdl instead of librt. I don't know why. It does work though. Regards, Rob
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Riccardo Castellani wrote: so difference, as Yan said, essentially is GUI ? And about other Linux distribution ? Or Debian is nore suitable to ttat job ? Now I'm using Fedora 1 ! I use Debian for servers because it is stable. Yes, not all the packages are the latest. But it works, and works quite well. Fedora is a beta-distro; it's intended to be RedHat's bleeding edge testing ground. IMHO, not suitable for servers. Use RedHat if you want a stable distro version. --Yan - Original Message - From: Yan Seiner y...@seiner.com To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? On Fri, April 3, 2009 2:05 pm, Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. For text UI, debian and ubuntu are virtually the same. I'd go with debian as most of the really nice stuff in ubuntu is around the GUI. --Yan - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Yan Seiner, PE Support my bid for the 4J School Board http://www.seiner.com !DSPAM:49d70036308067818312239! -- Yan Seiner Support my bid for the 4J School Board. Visit http://www.seiner.com/schoolboard
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
I don't understand. - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Ok, but about level package updates frequency ? About most supported hardware ? About stability ? - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ?
Riccardo Castellani wrote: Ok, but about level package updates frequency ? Code gets into Debian, then migrates to Ubuntu from there after a further short delay. About most supported hardware ? same. About stability ? same. - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I don't understand. The big difference between Debian and Ubuntu is the X server/kde/gnome GUI interface. Once you eliminate that you may as well flip a coin to choose. Amos - Original Message - From: Amos Jeffries squ...@treenet.co.nz To: Riccardo Castellani ric.castell...@alice.it Cc: squid-users@squid-cache.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [squid-users] Squid : better on Debian or Ubunto server ? Riccardo Castellani wrote: I have to install new Linux server, based on ONLY on text console (not X server, not kde, not gnome) to having squid as parent cache. Then I have to configure sendmail which relays messages to 3 perimetral mail servers. I'm thinking to install Debian or Ubuntu server but what do you suggest me ? Up to you. Ubuntu is a child OS built on top of Debian. From the console they are almost identical. I find the delay in package updates annoying in Ubuntu, particularly since they cop it from their own release freezes, and from the Debian freezes once a year. But I'm an unashamed neophyte. Amos -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6 -- Please be using Current Stable Squid 2.7.STABLE6 or 3.0.STABLE13 Current Beta Squid 3.1.0.6
