RE: wheels
Hi Jim, All, Website up soon, promise. Working on it at the moment. Best wishes, Susan.
Re: Casting - Lost wax
Try http://www.lindsaybks.com/ for various books on casting. There are several listed on the web site, but nothing specifically about lost wax casting. Seems to me there was one in a recent print catalog that you can order for free from the web site. Casey Sterbenz From: "Terry Griner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Casting - Lost wax Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:29:42 -0500 Doug, I'm not Salty, but I would recommend your local community college/Art school. There are books out there too. Terry Griner Columbus Ohio USA _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
sslivesteam-Digest - patterns
At 12:00 AM 3/7/01 -0800, you wrote: From: Royce Woodbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Royce's driver pattern I know this process sounds labor intensive, but not more so than what is being considered by Mike, Harry, and others. Royce, In this business (master making) there's a limit to the amount of hand work that can be side-stepped by mechanical means and from there on in it's pure handwork, 'Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice' as to how it gets done. A method similar to yours has been used by Kozo Hiraoka for building drivers for his 3/4" scale loco projects, although not for patterns but for the actual wheels. Using the material at hand,as you've done, is what most of us would do. But you've made a suggestion that I believe bears more discussion, that of donating the pattern. The question would be to, donate to who or what? Years ago in the large scales someone came up with the idea of organizing a pattern pool. Back in those days (1950's), when there were foundries in every town and patternmakers had not become extinct, folks were much more likely to make the patterns for anything they wanted. (The same was true in the UK where a builder might make all his own patterns as a matter of course even if they were available commercially.) It was known as the Live Steam Pattern Pool and I can't be certain but the idea probably originated with Pershing G. Scott, who published the "Live Steam Newsletter" (which eventually became Live Steam Magazine). The idea was to donate your patterns to the Pool where they would be available on loan, like a lending library, to anyone in the live steam fraternity. Those who wanted use of the patterns would apply, sending a nominal security deposit, and would be responsible for the shipping both ways. The notion took hold and over the years quite a library of patterns was collected, including patterns from Walt Disney's original Lille Belle and several of the Henry Coventry engines. The contents of the Pool were held by several people over the years but tragically for the world of live steam the building in which the patterns were stored by their last custodian burned to the ground and all the patterns, at least those in storage at the time, were lost. So based upon your offer of the donation of your pattern, I propose that we create the Garden Gauge or Small Scale Pattern Pool. Comments? Nominations for first custodian? Regards, Harry Wade Nashville, Tn
Re: sslivesteam-Digest - patterns
Harry and all: A Gauge One pattern pool, very cool idea! I've got one to donate when I'm done with it. As to whom to entrust? Someone sober, dependable, organized. Hmm, do you know of anyone in Tennessee, Harry? Jim
Pattern pool
Harry Wade wrote: So based upon your offer of the donation of your pattern, I propose that we create the Garden Gauge or Small Scale Pattern Pool. Comments? Regards, Harry Wade Nashville, Tn Thanks for your response, Harry. And Salty. When I suggested donating the pattern, in my mind it was to be to a "public" entity, rather than to an individual for their exclusive use. The pattern pool concept would be a perfect recipient of the pattern. I love the idea. I wonder, however, just how many out there are "involved" enough to actually cast their own drivers, as opposed to just kitbashing an existing model, or buying castings which are commercially available, albeit never ideal. I guess it wouldn't really matter how often the patterns were used, as long as they were safe and available to those whose projects require a needed pattern. I would think that it (the pool) would encourage more scratch building, as it is the intricate parts which frequently intimidate. So build it once, and they will come? Seems as though it might be possible to spread out the pattern work to many to create a complete project. The work, of course, would be in the design process. I've spent hundreds of hours on my sp18 project just scaling and figuring out how to build parts. Once the "engineering" is done, making the pattern is usually relatively quick. And management of the process (organizing the pattern makers) would require a committment of time, too. Just some thoughts, royce
Cheddar Loco
I was reading a boating magazine Marine Modelling International and they had
an article on the UK company Cheddar models. They have a picture which
shows a newly designed G gauge Loco it is a 0-4-0 configuration with
oscillating cylinders and a diamond stack. The article said it was now
coming into production.
Sincerely
Steve Ciambrone
Sr. Test Engineer
L-3 Ocean Systems
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RE: Cheddar Loco
I spent some time with the Cheddar rep at DH '01 while he was testing this new loco on one of the tracks. The best way to describe it was a "Sammie on steroids". He was running light, but never could quite coordinate throttle and available traction. Extremely powerful engine. Target pricing to be somewhere between the Ruby and the RH entry level engines. Royce B. -Original Message- From: Ciambrone, Steve @ OS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Cheddar Loco I was reading a boating magazine Marine Modelling International and they had an article on the UK company Cheddar models. They have a picture which shows a newly designed G gauge Loco it is a 0-4-0 configuration with oscillating cylinders and a diamond stack. The article said it was now coming into production. Sincerely Steve Ciambrone Sr. Test Engineer L-3 Ocean Systems
Re: sslivesteam-Digest - patterns
In a message dated 01-03-07 09:49:38 EST, you write: So based upon your offer of the donation of your pattern, I propose that we create the Garden Gauge or Small Scale Pattern Pool. Comments? Nominations for first custodian? Harry and list members. I would be more than casually interested in doing this as I am getting into casting and pattern making. I would propose to cast rubber (RTV silicon molds), wax patterns and probably cast a permanent pattern. I could then return the master to the owner and loan or rent out the permanent patterns as requested. If and when I get together all the equipment needed for investment and fine sand casting I propose to cast wheels and other parts. As I am retired I do not to make a lot of money but enough to cover my expenses and add a little to my bank account. (well I need money to buy that Aster Allegheny :-) and the CS Mogul) As many of you are aware I am planning a tour of the U.S. in this coming year and so it would be the beginning of next year before I could get fully engaged in this endevor.
Re: sslivesteam-Digest - patterns
In a message dated 01-03-07 10:23:08 EST, you write: Someone sober, dependable, organized. Well I guess that lets me out !! :-) Salty
Re: sslivesteam-Digest - patterns
Harry and others; An alternate idea. Anyone who has patterns they want to make available could add what they have to a list. Those members of this forum could check the list and contact the individual about how to "Rent" the patterns. With e-mail today that would probably be faster and more convenient anyway. Respectfully; Phil. Paskos Reading,PA. (much snipped) So based upon your offer of the donation of your pattern, I propose that we create the Garden Gauge or Small Scale Pattern Pool. Comments? Nominations for first custodian? Regards, Harry Wade Nashville, Tn
Re: Pattern pool
The Naples, Seaboard Gulf RR built trackage from Ft. Myers to Naples, FL in 1926. Construction of the Naples Depot was started in 1926 and completed in 1927. Passenger and freight service was initiated and continued until 1942. The NSG was a wholly owned subsidiary of the Seaboard Airline RR. In 1942 Seaboard closed shop and sold trackage and Depot to Atlantic Coast Line RR. In 1972 ACL closed down the operation and the Depot was scheduled for demolition. A group of local citizens raised enough money to buy the Depot and convert it to a "Civic and Cultural Center." The Depot had been renting out meeting rooms ever since. I was asked to join the Board of Directors in the early 1990s, primarily because I had some steam locomotive whistles and the Board wanted a steam whistle rigged up to blow at noon every day except Sunday. The Depot became more involved in "smaller" trains and now I am Stationmaster of the Depot in charge of implementing a Lionel Operating Display (16' x 34') with nine trains running simultaneously. We are currently building a 7.5" gauge railroad around the property, about 1000' of trackage. Future plans call for obtaining the adjacent property to expand the 7.5" and install four garden railroads, one to be elevated for live steam. The building has been here for 75 years, and we are having a fund drive to establish a $4,000,000.00 endowment fund to assure the continued existence of The Depot. The Depot is intending to be more involved in Small Trains and more of a museum type location. While I personally am reasonably sober, somewhat dependable, and relatively organized, I'm fairly certain the Depot would be able to act as a repository for #1 gauge patterns, molds, etc so long as actual packaging and shipping costs were paid for by the users. The building has been here for 75 years, I've been here for only 10 years, but I'm certain the Naples Depot will outlast me Points to ponder as you keep your steam up! Walt Swartz, Stationmaster and Mr. Lunkenheimer associate.
Pattern list
"Phil. Paskos" wrote: Harry and others; An alternate idea. Anyone who has patterns they want to make available could add what they have to a list. Those members of this forum could check the list and contact the individual about how to "Rent" the patterns. With e-mail today that would probably be faster and more convenient anyway. The ease of a list with email capabilities is a great benefit of your suggestion. An advantage : no centralized location to have all the patterns at risk of loss. A disadvantage : The pattern falling into the hands of heirs with no idea what it is or what to do with it/them. royce w
Re: Cheddar Loco
Try this url for a photo of the loco and its builder. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Small_Scale_Steam_Models/files/Diamondhead%202001/DH2001%20Cheddar%20Loco.jpg Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:53:06 -0800, you wrote: I was reading a boating magazine Marine Modelling International and they had an article on the UK company Cheddar models. They have a picture which shows a newly designed G gauge Loco it is a 0-4-0 configuration with oscillating cylinders and a diamond stack. The article said it was now coming into production. Sincerely Steve Ciambrone Sr. Test Engineer L-3 Ocean Systems Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber Mining Co. Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Pattern list
I would argue that if the patterns were at a central location and heirs pop up that they also would not know what to do with the patterns and the whole lot would be at risk of going under a bulldozer load of dirt at county landfill. Of course any holding patterns could put a sign on the box to contact this list or three names of others to contact to transfer the patterns. ~Gary of Eugene, OR The ease of a list with email capabilities is a great benefit of your suggestion. An advantage : no centralized location to have all the patterns at risk of loss. A disadvantage : The pattern falling into the hands of heirs with no idea what it is or what to do with it/them.
Re: Cheddar Loco
At 08:53 AM 07/03/01 -0800, Steve Ciabrone wrote: I was reading a boating magazine Marine Modelling International and they had an article on the UK company Cheddar models. They have a picture which shows a newly designed G gauge Loco it is a 0-4-0 configuration with oscillating cylinders and a diamond stack. The article said it was now coming into production. Bruce Davey was running one at Diamondhead on the small 'O' gauge loop (it's re-gaugable). It's quite heavy for the size and may just have been suffering from 'brand new engine' syndrome, but the contol-ability was not too good. The running characteristics reminded me of a mamod - full on or full off with little range of control in between. Size and outline were also a little more realistic than Mamod. regards, pf
Re: Mikado Axle Pump Help
Hi, For those who completed the Mikado Axle Pump Kit... It was tough getting the compression fitting onto the bypass valve. How many threads should be seen between the lock nut and the compression fitting? Thanks in advance... -- Regards, Joe Betsko Pennsylvania USA Bala Cynwyd Railway: http://jsb.pennsy.home.att.net Primer for Novice Live Steamers: http://www.gardensteamers.com/tips.html Share Live Steaming Tips: http://www.gardensteamers.com/exchange.html iMac - Hey, I dont do windows!
PLS Run Day Schedule for 2001
Hi, I have posted the PLS run day schedule for 2001 at http://www.gardensteamers.com/pls.html I hope that some of listees here can make it to one of the meets. -- Regards, Joe Betsko Pennsylvania USA Bala Cynwyd Railway: http://jsb.pennsy.home.att.net Primer for Novice Live Steamers: http://www.gardensteamers.com/tips.html Share Live Steaming Tips: http://www.gardensteamers.com/exchange.html iMac - Hey, I dont do windows!
Re: Pattern pool
Well, Walt, that sounds like quite a resume. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Naples, Seaboard Gulf RR built trackage from Ft. Myers to Naples, FL in 1926. snip, snip I've been here for only 10 years, but I'm certain the Naples Depot will outlast me Walt Swartz, Stationmaster and Mr. Lunkenheimer associate. If it IS decided to use one location, how will it be decided who and where? A lister vote/poll? royce w
Re: Accucraft speculation
I was at Accucraft today Guess what was sitting on the shelf in the back room . a very nice black t boiler shay prototype . they say it be out in the fall Of course they said that about the ruby about four or five years ago . Paul "David M. Cole" wrote: At 3:13 PM -0700 3/5/01, VR Bass wrote: Suppose they might be working on a Shay? If that drawing is it, then it's going to be a pretty little thing. i was awfully certain that i read somewhere that accucraft was going to do a shay and i looked around and finally found the reference: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/steam/steammfr.htm but then, maybe that makes this a circular rumor ;-) ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
