Re: Test Email - New SMTP End Point

[Peter Zaal via subsurface]

Op wo 7 feb 2024 om 01:41 schreef Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org>:

>
> On Feb 1, 2024, at 06:58, Miika Turkia  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:48 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
> subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I know, we all hate to receive test emails. I would love to hear from
>> those of you for whom this ended up in spam or any other oddity that you
>> observed.
>>
>
> Sorry to disappoint, but Gmail received properly into inbox :D
>
>
> Actually - Gmail didn't disappoint at all. After a few days all emails
> sent from the mailing list to gmail addresses started bouncing.
> Because apparently at THAT point we were identified as a mass mail spammer
> by the #1 mass mail spammer in the industry.
>
> It's a race to the bottom. Who is worse? Microsoft or Google? I'll go with
> "yes, both".
>
> Anyway, I once again tweaked the settings. Now Gmail addresses get
> delivered from my old host, everything else gets delivered via Amazon-SES.
>
> (and yes, it took me longer than it should have to notice this because of
> the way that Amazon-SES handled the bounces... they ended up getting caught
> in a filter and not being delivered to my inbox)
>
> /D
>

Did you see articles like this: https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126
I understand it's annoying, but I can also understand Google, Microsoft etc
trying to reduce spamming.
Did you set the SPF, DKIM, DMARC etc records?

Peter

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Re: Test Email - New SMTP End Point

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

> On Feb 1, 2024, at 06:58, Miika Turkia  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:48 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface 
>  > wrote:
>> 
>> I know, we all hate to receive test emails. I would love to hear from those 
>> of you for whom this ended up in spam or any other oddity that you observed.
> 
> Sorry to disappoint, but Gmail received properly into inbox :D

Actually - Gmail didn't disappoint at all. After a few days all emails sent 
from the mailing list to gmail addresses started bouncing.
Because apparently at THAT point we were identified as a mass mail spammer by 
the #1 mass mail spammer in the industry.

It's a race to the bottom. Who is worse? Microsoft or Google? I'll go with 
"yes, both".

Anyway, I once again tweaked the settings. Now Gmail addresses get delivered 
from my old host, everything else gets delivered via Amazon-SES.

(and yes, it took me longer than it should have to notice this because of the 
way that Amazon-SES handled the bounces... they ended up getting caught in a 
filter and not being delivered to my inbox)

/D

PS: I hate that so much of the traffic on this mailing list isn't about 
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Re: Test Email - New SMTP End Point

[Miika Turkia via subsurface]

FYI Just got a notification that my membership on the maillist was
terminated due to excessive bounces. Re-enabled the membership, let's see
if things will go better now.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 4:48 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

>
> I know, we all hate to receive test emails. I would love to hear from
> those of you for whom this ended up in spam or any other oddity that you
> observed.
>
> This is now using Amazon SES as my SMTP End Point. A pay per use service
> (but at the volume of this mailing list extremely cheap - likely this will
> be a couple of dollars a month).
>
> Hopefully this will address the recent issues (and I can re-subscribe all
> the people I had to take off the list).
>
> Thanks
>
> /D
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Re: Test Email - New SMTP End Point

[Daniel Azuelos via subsurface]

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  Written in the usual reading direction, no HTML to avoid scams. ]

Le (on) 01/02/2024, Dirk Hohndel via subsurface 
 a écrit 
(wrote):

| I know, we all hate to receive test emails. I would love to hear from those 
of you for whom this ended up in spam or any other oddity that you observed.
[...]

Pretty good!
DKIM signed, SPF record OK, no HTML, SpamAssassin passed.
DMARC record missing.
-- 
« The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing. »
Edmund Burke

daniel Azuelos
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