Re: [sugar] Update.1. When What How and Why
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 01:41:43PM -0500, 'Caperton, Idit' wrote: I read Jim's list of To-Do's, see below, and then the casual comment in the open from Kim to Jim: I think this is way too much stuff for Update.1. This is good; as I think you imply (but am not sure). I don't think we need to have a Jim vs. Kim watch and deconstruct anything. It should be possible to have exactly this kind of discussion on the list without lots of people worrying that something's wrong. But, it doesn't mean that it cannot be well-managed with reasonable executable plans and dates attached to the plans (that could be revised by the community, if needed). I think the implication is because people are talking and discussing things in the open, it's not well-managed with reasonable etc. I don't think I can opine on that since I'm not privy to all the in-situ discussions in Cambridge, but I've seen nothing in the past few months to make me have that concern. But I am not aware -- what does OLPC do to re-evaluate process and progress on an ongoing basis? and how does the olpc org learns how to optimize and do things better, and on schedule? How does the OLPC software development system learns to be deliverables-oriented, and how do we learn to lead these global processes more productively? I'd rather OLPC didn't take the time to explain this explicitly. I can infer (over time) the observations you mention, and if people don't have the abilities you mention, I don't think anyone's going to be able to teach it. I'd much rather those in charge spend time doing what they can how they know best. FACT: From what we see so far, Update.1. has been delayed and delayed and delayed again. It's important we don't confuse delays with lack of progress. I think based on the software development going on progress is occurring. - Where is the Update.1 master plan? And what comes after and when? - Who keeps track and makes sure we are constantly re-evaluating it and documenting changes in decisions? - Is it well-strategized and well-monitored against the strategy? - How does s--t gets done and optimized in this messy open system? - Even decentralized system needs organizational management - What did OLPC software team learned so far? - Where are the pages with reflections on lessons learned? - How are decisions about what's in or out being made? - Where are the software-release-phases with dates for 2008? - Is there a clear schedule and list of deliverables with dates for 2008? Isn't all of this incredibly subjective (2, 3, 5, 6), on the wiki (1, 8, 9) or obvious to those who know what they're doing and read this list (4, 7)? I don't think we need to discuss the subjective stuff (my point two sections above), discuss improving the wiki (interested parties should just do it), or get in the way of the people actually doing work. On scheduling (since that seems to be the germ of your concern), I don't think the project needs a fine-grained or top-down dictated schedule. Any that exists will be blown away by deployment schedules, which are dependent on policy/political issues outside the control of the developers. But please remember that I am sending it in order to shake the existing system, as a serious call for change, to be provocative, and get you all to think about it positively. I don't think this list is the best place to start bringing about the type of change you want to bring about. Many have opinions, few have the time and exposure to the decision-makers to make a difference. Talk to Kim Jim offline if you want. But I hope this thread won't be a place for the peanut gallery to tell the people doing the real work how to do it. Martin pgpqXI3wdq2TS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] What's left for Update.1
On 2/4/08, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 10:31 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 11:50 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/2/4 Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..snipped For translations, I would also probably push Mongolian in, along with Spanish. I am currently making those two sets of translations go I really believe that we will need an update.1.1 for Mongolia, so I (for one) would not be sad to see the Mongolian translations not make it for update.1. By the time we can solve the networking issues for Mongolia, we should have translations well in hand as well. Mongolia will likely not get updated again until there is another opportunity to use the bulk multicast update technique again, so it doesn't make too much sense to rush the Mongolian translations. --scott In that case - Spanish it is :-). Just wanted to mention - this _does not_ mean that we are not including the other languages. It is only that Spanish (and Mongolian) has had some significant work going into them at later stages (after the original deadline for Update 1 translations had passed, due to various reasons), and since Mongolian and Spanish are used the most by Sugar users - we will be picking up the new Spanish translations (and later, Mongolian as well). Other languages will remain as they are. Apologies if my previous mail created any misconceptions. Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Files modified on USB drive
When I put a photo on a flash drive, insert that into the XO and open the photo in Paint and close, then the file on the flash drive gets modified. I'd have expected the modified version to be put in the Journal instead - this is how activity installation works, for example. And when I unmount the USB drive before closing Paint, the modified image actually vanishes without a hint (not even an error in any log AFAICT). This is in a fairly recent joyride (1618). Bug or feature? - Bert - ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Files modified on USB drive
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 12:34 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: When I put a photo on a flash drive, insert that into the XO and open the photo in Paint and close, then the file on the flash drive gets modified. I'd have expected the modified version to be put in the Journal instead - this is how activity installation works, for example. And when I unmount the USB drive before closing Paint, the modified image actually vanishes without a hint (not even an error in any log AFAICT). This is in a fairly recent joyride (1618). Bug or feature? Feature, but now is a good moment to discuss how we want this to behave in the future. Eben? Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] how to take a screenshot?
Can someone suggest how to take a screenshot from within a sugar activity? Thanks! ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] how to take a screenshot?
On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 13:51 -0500, Erik Blankinship wrote: Can someone suggest how to take a screenshot from within a sugar activity? Alt+1 , I believe --Ben. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] gtk experiment for an spreadsheet activity
And btw, I won't have any more spare time to spend on this, so if someone feels like pushing further, is more than welcome to fork it and do whatever she/he feels like. Tomeu On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 14:13 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi all, what can be done during a weekend without net access but with a copy of the pygtk tutorial? An spreadsheet! http://dev.laptop.org/~tomeu/Count-1.xo http://dev.laptop.org/~tomeu/count-screenshot.png Well, not quite. This can be seen more accurately as an experiment to see until which point the gtk.TreeView widget can carry us. These are the things that I haven't found how to do with the current gtk.TreeView: - Row headers. - Non-fixed number of columns. - Alignment of values inside the cells. - Automatically add rows as the user scrolls down. - Support big datasets efficiently. - A more standard way of starting cell edits. To fix these would probably take forking the upstream gtk.TreeView inside the activity bundle. This is NOT an attempt to replace the current efforts of porting SocialCalc and Gnumeric to Sugar. While these projects aim for full featured spreadsheets, gtk.TreeView will probably be only enough for a very limited spreadsheet that only support the most basic functionality, mainly manipulation of tabulated data and some simple functions. The basic infrastructure for supporting functions is there, but a parser and an evaluator still need to be implemented. I hope this can be useful: - as an example of a basic python activity, perhaps of some use to the sugarizing of SocialCalc and Gnumeric, - as a possible placeholder until we have a better spreadsheet if nor SocialCalc nor Gnumeric can be present in the Update.2 milestone. Cheers, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
