Re: [sugar] Sucrose 0.83.1 Development Release
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:30 PM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Schampijer wrote: This is our first Development Release in the 0.84 cycle. The code base has seen many refactoring efforts to improve the platform. Will OLPC joyride builds pick up the new Sucrose? Sure. Hopefully soon. Furthermore the datastore has been rewritten, to simplify and improve maintainability. The API has been kept in place. What happens when you upgrade an XO with the old datastore? The old datastore will be updated to the new format. What happens if you then downgrade it? You lose. Sugar moved to use Gconf as a back end to store the profile. When you upgrade an XO, does it import your old profile (~olpc/.sugar/default/config)? Yup. What happens if you then downgrade? You will be prompted to enter again a name, choose a color, etc. An ABI policy has been figured out and modules have been marked as STABLE / UNSTABLE / DEPRECATED. Where are they marked, in the .py files? Yes, in the docstrings so it should make it to places like http://api.sugarlabs.org == Fructose news == ... Are the new activity versions backwards-compatible with 8.2? If so, the maze of Activity lists should be updated. Most of them yes, a notable exception is Browse because depends on xulrunner and hulahop. Read has the same issue, but evince hasn't been updated (yet) so for now it should work. Currently http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride pulls in Activities/G1G1 , as does Activities/G1G1/8.2, and that list still references old versions -- Browse 98 not 100, Read 52 not 60, etc. -- even though the links say Browse (latest). Who could take care of this? Full Release Notes: http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Releases/Sucrose/0.83.1 Maybe you could address these questions in a ==Compatibility== section in the release notes. Yes, I agree this is an important issue that should be given greater relevance in the release notes. The changes and fixes sound excellent! More coming! Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Reviews report
= New requests = Control Panel needs to list wireless firmware version http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8131 ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Reviews report
= New requests = Control Panel needs to list wireless firmware version http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8131 ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] logs being kept longer
I'm used to seeing five generations of old logs in .sugar/default/logs. Now with 2523 I'm seeing eight. mikus ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Schools.Sugarlabs.org
There is now a Moodle server for the Sugar community's use at schools.sugarlabs.org. If you would like to set up a course please let me or David Farning know. So far our plans are to use it support collaboration by nontechnical groups that maybe more used to a web based forum then a mailing list. However, its available for repositories and other uses as well. It is being hosted by Solution Grove. We also support LAMS so we'll hook that into Moodle next week so folks can play with it if they like. We are open to trying out new things, installing Moodle Modules etc. so let us know what you need. Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Schools.Sugarlabs.org
Very nice, and a little bit scary.As Caroline said, we are breaking out of our comfort zone and engaging teacher.nbsp; Yikes!From the teachers that I have talked to and Caroline#39;s recommendation, we are establishing a separate community for teacher and students.nbsp; Apparently, wikis, mailing lists and IRC channels, which are primarily populated by developers, are not user friendly:(The overall goal is to provide a means for small deployment to work together to create the synergy of a large scale saturation deployment.nbsp; I am envisioning starting with three themes or courses:Using Sugar - A gentle introduction by teacher and for teachers into Sugar.Teaching with Sugar - A place were teachers learn to teach use the Sugar interface, activities, and pedagogy.Lesson plans - A place to teachers to develop and share lesson plans.But, Please Note, the only time I have interacted with live students was as a TA in an engineering finance.nbsp; So I may be totally wrong:/) thanksdavid nbsp; nbsp; On 11/01/2008, 09:58, Caroline Meeks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:There is now a Moodle server for the Sugar community#39;s use at schools.sugarlabs.org. If you would like to set up a course please let me or David Farning know.nbsp; So far our plans are to use it support collaboration by nontechnical groups that maybe more used to a web based forum then a mailing list.nbsp; However, its available for repositories and other uses as well.nbsp; It is being hosted by Solution Grove.nbsp; We also support LAMS so we#39;ll hook that into Moodle next week so folks can play with it if they like.nbsp; We are open to trying out new things, installing Moodle Modules etc. so let us know what you need. Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Schools.Sugarlabs.org
Having actually taught with Moodle, I can tell you that teachers want to be able to have a place to download content from and put into their own Moodle setups as quickly as possible (most UK schools are going moodle), learning to use it as they do that. I'm not sure how many teachers will have time to actually go through how to use sugar from a teachers perspective, or what sugar is. I envision a centralised Moodle server being more for content creators and developers, with teachers taking part when they need to collect and download content. In order for Sugar to be effective in lesson plans it must be fit into the particular country's curriculum and subjects. Also, from the name, its not quite clear whether schools.moodle.org would be teacher centric or student centric. just my 2 cents. David Van Assche On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:46 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice, and a little bit scary. As Caroline said, we are breaking out of our comfort zone and engaging teacher. Yikes! From the teachers that I have talked to and Caroline's recommendation, we are establishing a separate community for teacher and students. Apparently, wikis, mailing lists and IRC channels, which are primarily populated by developers, are not user friendly:( The overall goal is to provide a means for small deployment to work together to create the synergy of a large scale saturation deployment. I am envisioning starting with three themes or courses: Using Sugar - A gentle introduction by teacher and for teachers into Sugar. Teaching with Sugar - A place were teachers learn to teach use the Sugar interface, activities, and pedagogy. Lesson plans - A place to teachers to develop and share lesson plans. But, Please Note, the only time I have interacted with live students was as a TA in an engineering finance. So I may be totally wrong:/) thanks david On 11/01/2008, 09:58, Caroline Meeks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There is now a Moodle server for the Sugar community's use at schools.sugarlabs.org. If you would like to set up a course please let me or David Farning know. So far our plans are to use it support collaboration by nontechnical groups that maybe more used to a web based forum then a mailing list. However, its available for repositories and other uses as well. It is being hosted by Solution Grove. We also support LAMS so we'll hook that into Moodle next week so folks can play with it if they like. We are open to trying out new things, installing Moodle Modules etc. so let us know what you need. Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
I never seen it on Hardy. -walter On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I boot up with my USB. I enter Sugar. How do I get to System - Administration for Hardy Heron? On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually with the advent of intrepid Ibex, and I believe Hardy Heron too, there is a menu option under System - Administration that says create USB startup disk. You choose your iso and choose how much of the usb stick u want to use for the OS, and hit create startup disk... dont think it could be simpler... David Van Assche On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok! I got this to work. thank you Ubuntu developers but talk about screwing in your own seat! Is there an easier way to help people create USBs? On SLAX we created a zip file then there was a boot file (2 versions actually one for linux and one for windows) that is run to make the stick bootable: http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys Is there a way I can I copy my USB and make the new one bootable so I don't have to go through the whole process again? The USB boots up to Sugar, which is what I want. Is there a way for me to also access the underlying Ubuntu? Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly. Download the stock ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso and burn it Yup, I can do this. Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page. http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/ Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it. I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it. Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set. I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error. If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed initrd.gz provided here. The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that. What is this? Why am I doing it? Add the file sugar.squashfs to the directory casper/ on the USB stick Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb. Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/ Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. David ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
You are correct, its only for Intrepid... but its cool and easy never the less :-) and intrepid is out now, so now's a good a time as any to upgrade... David On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never seen it on Hardy. -walter On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I boot up with my USB. I enter Sugar. How do I get to System - Administration for Hardy Heron? On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually with the advent of intrepid Ibex, and I believe Hardy Heron too, there is a menu option under System - Administration that says create USB startup disk. You choose your iso and choose how much of the usb stick u want to use for the OS, and hit create startup disk... dont think it could be simpler... David Van Assche On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok! I got this to work. thank you Ubuntu developers but talk about screwing in your own seat! Is there an easier way to help people create USBs? On SLAX we created a zip file then there was a boot file (2 versions actually one for linux and one for windows) that is run to make the stick bootable: http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys Is there a way I can I copy my USB and make the new one bootable so I don't have to go through the whole process again? The USB boots up to Sugar, which is what I want. Is there a way for me to also access the underlying Ubuntu? Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly. Download the stock ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso and burn it Yup, I can do this. Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page. http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/ Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it. I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it. Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set. I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error. If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed initrd.gz provided here. The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that. What is this? Why am I doing it? Add the file sugar.squashfs to the directory casper/ on the USB stick Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb. Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/ Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. David ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] impatient kids under a tree
Was in a suburban neighborhood with three G1G1 XOs (767, Q2E19). The location did not have wireless, though XO Neighborhood View could often see two AP icons (locked, and not physically nearby). Wanted to set up collaboration between the XOs. Arbitrarily decided on Mesh 11 as unlikely to be interfered with. [If trying to connect to the unreachable remote APs, Frame thought they were channel 1.] Note: none of our three XOs ever had a connection to the internet. Clicked on Mesh 11 in Neighborhood View in all XOs. Two of them quickly saw each other. The third XO took a long time (let's say ten minutes) to see the other two XOs. We were able to focus our experimentation on the two connected XOs, until the third finally joined. But is it reasonable to expect kids under a tree to wait for what seems like forever, for collaboration to be enabled ?? mikus ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
