Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 – 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 Oops. I kind of saw that coming when fudcon was postponed. I'll sort my stuff out to try and be there for mid-Jan but it's a bit of a curve ball for us overseas travellers to be changing these things back, forth, and then back again. And kinda spoils our chances to get cheap tickets. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 – 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 As should be clear, I'm not happy at all with how this is being handled. We will have Martin, Marco, Tomeu, and Bernie here the week of the 17th (at least). We should at least informally discuss 9.1 plans at that time. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 – 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 As should be clear, I'm not happy at all with how this is being handled. We will have Martin, Marco, Tomeu, and Bernie here the week of the 17th (at least). We should at least informally discuss 9.1 plans at that time. From my point of view, the situation is not so messed up as it could be seen from inside. The XOCamp has been delayed, but this doesn't mean we need to stop any work. Stuff that is going to be worked on in the near future can still be discussed as we have been doing to date. I personally am not fully convinced of the XOCamp idea, but Scott is a smart guy and, as I still haven't attended properly to one, am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Some people from outside have decided to visit Boston for some days, is their trip not useful because the XOCamp has been delayed? I don't think so at all! We have been working together for a long time and these have been exciting times. We surely have lots to talk, share, discuss, etc I'm confident that when the remotes come back to their homes, the work atmosphere will have improved significantly and this will reflect in our productivity. So, plans have changed, but are things really so bad? Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 – 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 As should be clear, I'm not happy at all with how this is being handled. We will have Martin, Marco, Tomeu, and Bernie here the week of the 17th (at least). We should at least informally discuss 9.1 plans at that time. From my point of view, the situation is not so messed up as it could be seen from inside. Scott, I agree that from the outside, things don't appear as messed up as you might feel. One of our goals in attracting outside developers to Sugar is predictability through planning. Open source development can be chaotic at the best of time. We can reduce some of that chaos by 'planning the work, and, working the plan.' and then doing it again. We want to reduce as many decisions as possible to policies, but no more. My concern with the XOcamp was the speed with which it was being put together. Rather than being a long term planning tool, holding the XOcamp was becoming a fire which needed to be extinguished. The XOCamp has been delayed, but this doesn't mean we need to stop any work. Stuff that is going to be worked on in the near future can still be discussed as we have been doing to date. I personally am not fully convinced of the XOCamp idea, but Scott is a smart guy and, as I still haven't attended properly to one, am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also support the idea that Scott is a bright guy. For some time I have been trying to figure out how to engage him more effectively in upstream sugar development:) Some people from outside have decided to visit Boston for some days, is their trip not useful because the XOCamp has been delayed? I don't think so at all! We have been working together for a long time and these have been exciting times. We surely have lots to talk, share, discuss, etc I'm confident that when the remotes come back to their homes, the work atmosphere will have improved significantly and this will reflect in our productivity. So, plans have changed, but are things really so bad? Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
Folks - The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 - 11 , and we will be rescheduling to dates either immediately before or immediately after that event. I¹d like to make that decision as soon as possible, so if anyone knows of major reasons to choose one over the other, please let me know. Unlike the November event, participating OLPC staff and employees who do not work in Cambridge will be traveling here to participate. I hope this will make the January event a more substantial and productive one for everyone, despite the delay. - Ed P.S. If you have previously forwarded announcements of the November event to other mailing lists, please help us spread the word of the postponement to those other lists. But please take a moment to check those lists first so we don¹t bombard them with multiple forwards; thanks. Ed McNierney VP, Software Development One Laptop per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
My understanding about the event was you discuss roadmap on future feature and scope of next major release. By this postponement how will your planning and development schedule be affected? /Korakurider On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks - The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 – 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 - 11 , and we will be rescheduling to dates either immediately before or immediately after that event. I'd like to make that decision as soon as possible, so if anyone knows of major reasons to choose one over the other, please let me know. Unlike the November event, participating OLPC staff and employees who do not work in Cambridge will be traveling here to participate. I hope this will make the January event a more substantial and productive one for everyone, despite the delay. - Ed P.S. If you have previously forwarded announcements of the November event to other mailing lists, please help us spread the word of the postponement to those other lists. But please take a moment to check those lists first so we don't bombard them with multiple forwards; thanks. Ed McNierney VP, Software Development One Laptop per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
We will continue planning and working on the projects we already know about and understand. Where we don't understand them or need more detail, we will use the electronic means of discussion we normally use most of the time. Much of our planning happens outside of conferences, and will continue to do so. It's clear that many developers see a lot of value in having a focused face-to-face discussion, and this postponement will allow that to happen. I'm hoping that scheduling this event adjacent to FUDCON will help increase local participation in both events. If there are specific topics that could benefit from online discussion or presentations sooner rather than later, we can use the time during the week of November 17th to have those discussions. Or we can do them at other times, too. - Ed On 10/29/08 10:24 PM, Korakurider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding about the event was you discuss roadmap on future feature and scope of next major release. By this postponement how will your planning and development schedule be affected? /Korakurider On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks - The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 21 is being postponed until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9 - 11 , and we will be rescheduling to dates either immediately before or immediately after that event. I'd like to make that decision as soon as possible, so if anyone knows of major reasons to choose one over the other, please let me know. Unlike the November event, participating OLPC staff and employees who do not work in Cambridge will be traveling here to participate. I hope this will make the January event a more substantial and productive one for everyone, despite the delay. - Ed P.S. If you have previously forwarded announcements of the November event to other mailing lists, please help us spread the word of the postponement to those other lists. But please take a moment to check those lists first so we don't bombard them with multiple forwards; thanks. Ed McNierney VP, Software Development One Laptop per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Postponement of XOCamp Event to January
Per Ed's implicit request, I have updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2 and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2/Fundraising to the postponement directive. Michael P.S. - I wish to offer special personal thanks to the six warm-hearted (but cool-headed) donors who pledged to fund travel scholarships for speakers and developers. Your generous act was greatly appreciated. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
