Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 3 sep 2008, om 22:14 heeft Edward Cherlin het volgende geschreven: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. snip I assume that OE is intended to be all Free Software OE is 'merely' a buildsystem (something like gentoos portage or GNOMEs jhbuild) and its metadata is MIT licensed. OK. What are your intentions, if any, for builds made using this system? Is it simply up to the builer? Have any projects announced licensing plans? , and I see scattered references to GPL 2 in the Wiki, but I don't see a clear statement on licensing on the main page or in the FAQ. Can somebody write one? I'm unsure what is needed beyond the COPYING.MIT in topdir of the repository. The licensing of your buildsystem should have no bearing on the resulting distribution. Well, that's in the repository, not in the Wiki. How does a newbie know where to look if you don't have a Wiki page that lays it out? Also, one or more architecture pages showing the toolchain, relationships with other Free Software projects, and the structure of the resulting builds? As a buildsystem OE has relationships with the interpreter used (bitbake, hosted at berlios) and it's users (angstrom, nslu2-linux, openmoko, etc). Fine. Let's see that. All of it. Don't assume that I or someone else coming in new knows any of it. If you want to make assumptions about what new people know, tell us what those assumptions are so that we can go elsewhere and learn about them. I suspect you are confusing OE with a distribution (which angstrom is), it is not a distro, it's a distro builder :) If you aren't confusing it, please elaborate on what you want to know so we can send the doc team to fix it. Just have them pretend that these are Frequently Asked Questions, since I predict that they will be. If my questions assume what is not stated, that means you have to make a clear statement in order to prevent others asking the same thing. regards, Koen Thanks. First, some background. The initial port will be getting Sugar[1] to run on the Beagleboard[2] using the Open Embedded[3] toolkit. The basics (sugar, sugar-base, sugar-toolkit, sugar-presence-services and sugar-artwork) are now running on the beagleboard: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/sugar-running-ångström To build it using OE: 'bitbake sugar' To install it in angstrom*: 'opkg install sugar' The Glucose pack is missing sugar-datastore (needs a lot of python modules that aren't in OE yet), etoys (haven't looked at that yet) and journal (haven't looked at that either). The Fructose pack is completely missing in OE. The remaining tasks for people wanting to work on this are: 1) add OE recipes for needed python-modules 2) add OE recipes for remaining Glucose items 3) add OE recipes for Fructose items 4) build it 5) install resulting packages and run them, see them crash due to missing python modules, goto 1 6) make screenshots :) regards, Koen * only has armv7a packages at the moment ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Silent Thunder [ 默雷 / शब्दगर्ज / شبدگر ج ] is my name, And Children are my nation. The Six Worlds are my dwelling place, And Truth my destination. -- Silent Thunder [ 默雷 / शब्दगर्ज / شبدگر ج ] is my name, And Children are my nation. The Six Worlds are my dwelling place, And Truth my destination. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 13:14 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. I see that BeagleBoards list at $149. Do you have any idea of quantity pricing? Apparently TI sells them only through Digikey, which only gives single-unit prices on its site. I can see applications for data acquisition and control worldwide, as well as for teaching embedded systems development. I am thinking of possibilities for placement of systems through microfinance, assuming that we can find and document ways to increase income using BeagleBoard+Sugar more efficiently than by other methods. The BeagleBoard is a development platform for introducing developers to the OMAP35x family of processors. I don't believe that it was meant for endusers. The interesting question I my mind is, 'Who will be the first to leverage the chipset into low cost thin clients or laptops for use classrooms?' thanks dfarning ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
The folks who have been interested in the OLPC for health may be interested. -walter On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 13:14 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. I see that BeagleBoards list at $149. Do you have any idea of quantity pricing? Apparently TI sells them only through Digikey, which only gives single-unit prices on its site. I can see applications for data acquisition and control worldwide, as well as for teaching embedded systems development. I am thinking of possibilities for placement of systems through microfinance, assuming that we can find and document ways to increase income using BeagleBoard+Sugar more efficiently than by other methods. The BeagleBoard is a development platform for introducing developers to the OMAP35x family of processors. I don't believe that it was meant for endusers. The interesting question I my mind is, 'Who will be the first to leverage the chipset into low cost thin clients or laptops for use classrooms?' thanks dfarning ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
That's truth one could run for example measure on top of sugar (on the beagleboard) and beging to do some bio signal special adaptations in order to make a low-cost health module-analyser. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The folks who have been interested in the OLPC for health may be interested. -walter On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 13:14 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. I see that BeagleBoards list at $149. Do you have any idea of quantity pricing? Apparently TI sells them only through Digikey, which only gives single-unit prices on its site. I can see applications for data acquisition and control worldwide, as well as for teaching embedded systems development. I am thinking of possibilities for placement of systems through microfinance, assuming that we can find and document ways to increase income using BeagleBoard+Sugar more efficiently than by other methods. The BeagleBoard is a development platform for introducing developers to the OMAP35x family of processors. I don't believe that it was meant for endusers. The interesting question I my mind is, 'Who will be the first to leverage the chipset into low cost thin clients or laptops for use classrooms?' thanks dfarning ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero One Laptop Per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. First, some background. The initial port will be getting Sugar[1] to run on the Beagleboard[2] using the Open Embedded[3] toolkit. The basics (sugar, sugar-base, sugar-toolkit, sugar-presence-services and sugar-artwork) are now running on the beagleboard: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/sugar-running-ångström To build it using OE: 'bitbake sugar' To install it in angstrom*: 'opkg install sugar' The Glucose pack is missing sugar-datastore (needs a lot of python modules that aren't in OE yet), etoys (haven't looked at that yet) and journal (haven't looked at that either). The Fructose pack is completely missing in OE. The remaining tasks for people wanting to work on this are: 1) add OE recipes for needed python-modules 2) add OE recipes for remaining Glucose items 3) add OE recipes for Fructose items 4) build it 5) install resulting packages and run them, see them crash due to missing python modules, goto 1 6) make screenshots :) regards, Koen * only has armv7a packages at the moment PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. I see that BeagleBoards list at $149. Do you have any idea of quantity pricing? Apparently TI sells them only through Digikey, which only gives single-unit prices on its site. I can see applications for data acquisition and control worldwide, as well as for teaching embedded systems development. I am thinking of possibilities for placement of systems through microfinance, assuming that we can find and document ways to increase income using BeagleBoard+Sugar more efficiently than by other methods. I assume that OE is intended to be all Free Software, and I see scattered references to GPL 2 in the Wiki, but I don't see a clear statement on licensing on the main page or in the FAQ. Can somebody write one? Also, one or more architecture pages showing the toolchain, relationships with other Free Software projects, and the structure of the resulting builds? First, some background. The initial port will be getting Sugar[1] to run on the Beagleboard[2] using the Open Embedded[3] toolkit. The basics (sugar, sugar-base, sugar-toolkit, sugar-presence-services and sugar-artwork) are now running on the beagleboard: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/sugar-running-ångström To build it using OE: 'bitbake sugar' To install it in angstrom*: 'opkg install sugar' The Glucose pack is missing sugar-datastore (needs a lot of python modules that aren't in OE yet), etoys (haven't looked at that yet) and journal (haven't looked at that either). The Fructose pack is completely missing in OE. The remaining tasks for people wanting to work on this are: 1) add OE recipes for needed python-modules 2) add OE recipes for remaining Glucose items 3) add OE recipes for Fructose items 4) build it 5) install resulting packages and run them, see them crash due to missing python modules, goto 1 6) make screenshots :) regards, Koen * only has armv7a packages at the moment ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Silent Thunder [ 默雷 / शब्दगर्ज / شبدگر ج ] is my name, And Children are my nation. The Six Worlds are my dwelling place, And Truth my destination. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
Op 3 sep 2008, om 22:14 heeft Edward Cherlin het volgende geschreven: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. snip I assume that OE is intended to be all Free Software OE is 'merely' a buildsystem (something like gentoos portage or GNOMEs jhbuild) and its metadata is MIT licensed. , and I see scattered references to GPL 2 in the Wiki, but I don't see a clear statement on licensing on the main page or in the FAQ. Can somebody write one? I'm unsure what is needed beyond the COPYING.MIT in topdir of the repository. The licensing of your buildsystem should have no bearing on the resulting distribution. Also, one or more architecture pages showing the toolchain, relationships with other Free Software projects, and the structure of the resulting builds? As a buildsystem OE has relationships with the interpreter used (bitbake, hosted at berlios) and it's users (angstrom, nslu2-linux, openmoko, etc). I suspect you are confusing OE with a distribution (which angstrom is), it is not a distro, it's a distro builder :) If you aren't confusing it, please elaborate on what you want to know so we can send the doc team to fix it. regards, Koen First, some background. The initial port will be getting Sugar[1] to run on the Beagleboard[2] using the Open Embedded[3] toolkit. The basics (sugar, sugar-base, sugar-toolkit, sugar-presence- services and sugar-artwork) are now running on the beagleboard: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/sugar-running-ångström To build it using OE: 'bitbake sugar' To install it in angstrom*: 'opkg install sugar' The Glucose pack is missing sugar-datastore (needs a lot of python modules that aren't in OE yet), etoys (haven't looked at that yet) and journal (haven't looked at that either). The Fructose pack is completely missing in OE. The remaining tasks for people wanting to work on this are: 1) add OE recipes for needed python-modules 2) add OE recipes for remaining Glucose items 3) add OE recipes for Fructose items 4) build it 5) install resulting packages and run them, see them crash due to missing python modules, goto 1 6) make screenshots :) regards, Koen * only has armv7a packages at the moment ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Silent Thunder [ 默雷 / शब्दगर्ज / شبدگر ج ] is my name, And Children are my nation. The Six Worlds are my dwelling place, And Truth my destination. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op 22 aug 2008, om 02:29 heeft David Farning het volgende geschreven: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. Very good. Thank you. I see that BeagleBoards list at $149. Do you have any idea of quantity pricing? Apparently TI sells them only through Digikey, which only gives single-unit prices on its site. I can see applications for data acquisition and control worldwide, as well as for teaching embedded systems development. I am thinking of possibilities for placement of systems through microfinance, assuming that we can find and document ways to increase income using BeagleBoard+Sugar more efficiently than by other methods. I do not believe that Digi-Key plans any volume pricing for Beagle Boards. The boards themselves are not a TI product, despite a TI developer being responsible for the design. The schematic and layout are all open and anyone can buy the parts and make them. Digi-Key has been very good and has purchased a few thousand boards through a contract manufacturer to provide them to the open source development community and a good price (and we are very happy about that). Koen has replied to the Angstrom and OE related questions in the other thread so... snip ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
David Farning wrote: Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. I'd be glad to help after I'm settled back in Europe, which will be around Sep 8th. -- \___/ Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ _| X | Sugar Labs Team - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ \|_O_| It's an education project, not a laptop project! ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Sugar on the BeagleBoard using the OpenEmbedded toolkit.
Welcome to the Sugar on the BeagleBoard project. It seems that we have all of the pieces in place to do a port. First, some background. The initial port will be getting Sugar[1] to run on the Beagleboard[2] using the Open Embedded[3] toolkit. For a collaboration point, Jason has set up the sugar on beagle wiki[4]. For Sugar related bug, Sugar Labs uses the OLPC trac[5]. Open Embedded uses bugzilla[6]. If you are interested come introduce yourself on the beagleboard[7] mailing list. thanks dfarning 1. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page 2. http://beagleboard.org/ 3. http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Main_Page 4. http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardSugar 5. http://dev.laptop.org/wiki 6. http://bugs.openembedded.net/ 7. http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard?hl=en ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
