Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
Trying this new set up for the first time... Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) I've tried with a 1 GB and a 2 GB USB. In both cases, it complains that I don't have enough space. Anyone have any experience getting this to work? Also, creating the USB image was **very** slow. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
yes I got this to work on a 1GB USB with a lot of effort. I find it generally slow to create the USBs. In general the fastest way to create a new one is to copy it from one USB to another while booted into Linux. However, I don't know if you can do that in Sugar and this particular setup doesn't let you escape out of Sugar back down into Ubuntu as far as I could figure out. Herea are my notes on how I did it. Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly. 1. Download the stock ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.isohttp://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.isoand burn it Yup, I can do this. 1. Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSBhttp://klik.atekon.de/liveusbto copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page. http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/ Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked liveusb_0.1.1_all.debhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it. I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it. Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set. I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error. 1. If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed initrd.gzhttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Eprobono/sbuntu/initrd.gzprovided here. The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that. What is this? Why am I doing it? 1. Add the file sugar.squashfshttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Eprobono/sbuntu/sugar.squashfsto the directory casper/ on the USB stick Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Trying this new set up for the first time... Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) I've tried with a 1 GB and a 2 GB USB. In both cases, it complains that I don't have enough space. Anyone have any experience getting this to work? Also, creating the USB image was **very** slow. I got it to work. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
I never seen it on Hardy. -walter On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I boot up with my USB. I enter Sugar. How do I get to System - Administration for Hardy Heron? On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually with the advent of intrepid Ibex, and I believe Hardy Heron too, there is a menu option under System - Administration that says create USB startup disk. You choose your iso and choose how much of the usb stick u want to use for the OS, and hit create startup disk... dont think it could be simpler... David Van Assche On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok! I got this to work. thank you Ubuntu developers but talk about screwing in your own seat! Is there an easier way to help people create USBs? On SLAX we created a zip file then there was a boot file (2 versions actually one for linux and one for windows) that is run to make the stick bootable: http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys Is there a way I can I copy my USB and make the new one bootable so I don't have to go through the whole process again? The USB boots up to Sugar, which is what I want. Is there a way for me to also access the underlying Ubuntu? Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly. Download the stock ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso and burn it Yup, I can do this. Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page. http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/ Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it. I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it. Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set. I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error. If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed initrd.gz provided here. The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that. What is this? Why am I doing it? Add the file sugar.squashfs to the directory casper/ on the USB stick Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb. Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/ Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. David ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
You are correct, its only for Intrepid... but its cool and easy never the less :-) and intrepid is out now, so now's a good a time as any to upgrade... David On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never seen it on Hardy. -walter On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I boot up with my USB. I enter Sugar. How do I get to System - Administration for Hardy Heron? On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually with the advent of intrepid Ibex, and I believe Hardy Heron too, there is a menu option under System - Administration that says create USB startup disk. You choose your iso and choose how much of the usb stick u want to use for the OS, and hit create startup disk... dont think it could be simpler... David Van Assche On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Caroline Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok! I got this to work. thank you Ubuntu developers but talk about screwing in your own seat! Is there an easier way to help people create USBs? On SLAX we created a zip file then there was a boot file (2 versions actually one for linux and one for windows) that is run to make the stick bootable: http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys Is there a way I can I copy my USB and make the new one bootable so I don't have to go through the whole process again? The USB boots up to Sugar, which is what I want. Is there a way for me to also access the underlying Ubuntu? Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly. Download the stock ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso and burn it Yup, I can do this. Boot from this CD and from there, use LiveUSB to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones) Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page. http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/ Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it. I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it. Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set. I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error. If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed initrd.gz provided here. The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that. What is this? Why am I doing it? Add the file sugar.squashfs to the directory casper/ on the USB stick Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb. Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/ Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. David ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
The politics are far more complicated, edubuntu used to be a thriving community, which prompted Canonical to market the Educational side more and use the Ubuntu branding rather than edubuntu. It caused some confusion and the community sort of migrated to various areas, the most notable being LTSP. The main 'paid' edubuntu developer was moved to edubuntu netbook remix (also an education project) but is still quite active in upstream LTSP and edubuntu support. The marketing/education contracts guy is still paid by canonical and working on the educational side, so I wouldn't say they've given up, they've just made some strange re-branding decisions. Anyway, there is more info at the meeting next wednesday 18.00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting for those interested in hearing the future of edubuntu and ubuntu in education, as well as how sugar can play a role there. I believe Morgan Collet will be presenting Sugar there. Kind Regards, David Van Assche On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a Edubuntu developer planning session on Nov 5th. At that point, we will see about the process of making Subuntu an official release. Ubuntu educational efforts have not seemed to pay off for them yet. They have recently shifted their inhouse edubuntu developer to Ubuntu mobile. thanks david On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:19 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb. Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/ Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. Awesome! Congrats to all the Ubuntu Sugarteam. Have already been any discussions about adding Subuntu to the list of official Ubuntu derivatives for the next release? Something similar to the Fedora Sugar spin? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Ubuntu LiveUSB is ready
Thanks David that explanation make a lot more sense than my naive one. Who is the marketing/education contract guy? I would like to touch base with him. I will also be at the meeting to explain background issues if necessary. The other guys on the Ubuntu SugarTeam have gained much more credibility in the Ubuntu community and will be speaking for us. thanks david On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:01 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The politics are far more complicated, edubuntu used to be a thriving community, which prompted Canonical to market the Educational side more and use the Ubuntu branding rather than edubuntu. It caused some confusion and the community sort of migrated to various areas, the most notable being LTSP. The main 'paid' edubuntu developer was moved to edubuntu netbook remix (also an education project) but is still quite active in upstream LTSP and edubuntu support. The marketing/education contracts guy is still paid by canonical and working on the educational side, so I wouldn't say they've given up, they've just made some strange re-branding decisions. Anyway, there is more info at the meeting next wednesday 18.00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting for those interested in hearing the future of edubuntu and ubuntu in education, as well as how sugar can play a role there. I believe Morgan Collet will be presenting Sugar there. Kind Regards, David Van Assche On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:51 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a Edubuntu developer planning session on Nov 5th. At that point, we will see about the process of making Subuntu an official release. Ubuntu educational efforts have not seemed to pay off for them yet. They have recently shifted their inhouse edubuntu developer to Ubuntu mobile. thanks david On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:19 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb. Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/http://dev.laptop.org/%7Eprobono/sbuntu/ Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. Awesome! Congrats to all the Ubuntu Sugarteam. Have already been any discussions about adding Subuntu to the list of official Ubuntu derivatives for the next release? Something similar to the Fedora Sugar spin? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
