Re: [sugar] Where is Walter?
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:05:16 +0200 Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we could take a break from talking about the sky falling until we hear something from Negroponte or someone else at 1CC regarding Windows? I think everybody would be glad to hear an official statement and nearly everybody is wondering why we don't get one. No statement is a statement. Anyhow, neither the sugar desktop nor the educational project will die due to the great community and the free software. I am not sure if OLPC aka laptop.org will survive. best regard, yokoy -- ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Where is Walter?
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:05 +0200, Bobby Powers wrote: I'm new around here, but it seems like this whole conversation is based on a bunch of what-ifs surrounding that AP article. People generally seem on the same page that switching to Windows and non-free software would be a Bad Thing. Maybe we could take a break from talking about the sky falling until we hear something from Negroponte or someone else at 1CC regarding Windows? A clear statement on the direction of the project would be a first in the 1.5 years I'm involved with OLPC. I don't count on it anymore. Marc ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] where is Walter?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Drew Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLPC has increased funding and resources in 2008 toward a continued commitment to helping kids in the least developed countries through deployment of XOs and Sugar. I don't think there is any shriveling or dying going on here. It's reassuring to hear that Sugar (and, presumably, GNU/Linux) is part of the commitment for 2008, at least. Can someone from OLPC give a straightforward statement regarding OLPC's longer-term commitments to deploying Sugar, GNU/Linux and free software in general? I don't think you'll see such a straightforward statement because OLPC is primarily an *education* project. Free software is important to its education goals, but the project has (to date) underdelivered on its potential, resulting in a system which is significantly inferior to proprietary alternatives on several axes: stability, speed, features, and has not adequately delivered on the power management and mesh networking technologies necessary to distinguish OLPC from these alternatives. (That said, there is a lot which OLPC's software stack does which the proprietary alternatives do not: comprehensive focus on children and teachers being foremost.) So, OLPC is working very very hard to address this. But the management is keeping cards in its hands in case the ultimate *education* goals of OLPC will be better served by a different software stack. Obviously, there are many of us who feel that the free software alternative will be better in the long run. But we need to *show* this.OLPC is funding Sugar aggressively (more than doubling the number of in-house software developers this year, for example); but we're under the gun to actually *deliver*. All of you on the list can help us. If you care about free software on the XO, we need to continue to make it the *best* alternative. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] where is Walter?
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 18:22 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Thank you for all of your support over the past two years and for all the feedback and encouragement you have given me. regards. -walter It really sucks to see OLPC shriveling up and dying. -- Resistance is not futile, it's (2PI * FREQ * L) / Q ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] where is Walter?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:54:13PM -0500, Joe Barr wrote: It really sucks to see OLPC shriveling up and dying. Joe, It's good for people who have been unable to reconcile their differences with one another to separate themselves, to recuperate, and eventually, to re-engage one another with fresh insight and perspective. Also, while I sorely miss Ivan's and Walter's constant presence and advice, I remain confident that they will find ways, large and small, to educate and to empower those who are ignorant and powerless. Michael What in this description of events leads you to the conclusion that OLPC is shriveling up and dying? ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] where is Walter?
We are all grateful to have had Walter's leadership and inspiration to get us to this point. It should be inspiring to see OLPC branching out, expanding and increasing support for children in many different ways. OLPC has increased funding and resources in 2008 toward a continued commitment to helping kids in the least developed countries through deployment of XOs and Sugar. I don't think there is any shriveling or dying going on here. OLPC Association is way too small to meet this mission alone! Thanks, Kim On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Joe Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 18:22 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: Thank you for all of your support over the past two years and for all the feedback and encouragement you have given me. regards. -walter It really sucks to see OLPC shriveling up and dying. -- Resistance is not futile, it's (2PI * FREQ * L) / Q ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] where is Walter?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLPC has increased funding and resources in 2008 toward a continued commitment to helping kids in the least developed countries through deployment of XOs and Sugar. I don't think there is any shriveling or dying going on here. It's reassuring to hear that Sugar (and, presumably, GNU/Linux) is part of the commitment for 2008, at least. Can someone from OLPC give a straightforward statement regarding OLPC's longer-term commitments to deploying Sugar, GNU/Linux and free software in general? thanks d p.s. apologies if you received this message more than once, posting this time from an email address that's subscribed both to devel and sugar. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] where is Walter?
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22.04.2008 02:13, Michael Stone wrote: What in this description of events leads you to the conclusion that OLPC is shriveling up and dying? Perhaps not shriveling up, but quite a few contributors/participants from the early days (pre-A-Test till B2-Test) have left and the perceived goals and principles of the project have changed considerably as well. One major thing is changing right now -- and *is* changing the organisation deeply. Initially, it was all RD, you could change (or plan to change) anything in the system. Now, very quickly hundreds of thousands of laptops are being deployed. It is a completely different world, and different way of working. Things have changed a bit, and I expect them to change some more, based on my experience with other projects that have gone through similar (but slower) phase-changes. (In the case of OLPC, I missed all the fun RD days, but that is ok with me, I can handle the maintenance and organic evolution phase just fine. Others find the constraints of having a large installed base crippling, I find them stimulating: my changes will be in the hands of real users. Not maybe, not in a projection, but in very real life. Scary, and thrilling!) But I see a chance to bring that culture back once the immense pressure on the core team (for lack of a better name) diminishes and update.2 is released. Let's hope for the best. We are under a lot of stress with the changing times. That's spot on :-) -- but I think it's worth it. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
