Re: [sugar] new 8.2.0 beta joyride - upgrading via control panel ?
I've tried to use several joyrides and the control panel / upgrade option... it just sits at 9% and does nothing. On 2269 I even left it over night to see if it needed more than 10 hrs.. still nothing. (I have no XS server, is one required?) I've never seen it work at all.. ;-/ Is there an estimate on the length of time for the upgrade process.. clean system with no activities? with G1G1 activity pack? with just 5 activites? How long should I wait to get past the first '9%' and downloading? How much does it need to download first ? -iXo p.s. Shall I file a TRAC ticket with the list of Activities I have ? On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 14:28, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Kevin Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: want to update them. I tell it to install/upgrade them all. It says Downloading but the progress bar never progresses, and it appears to be doing a whole lot of nothing. FWIW, it worked for me. One of the activity downloads (TamTam Edit?) takes *ages* to complete, with little feedback, so I did think it was jammed. Eventually it completed. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] new 8.2.0 beta joyride - upgrading via control panel ?
John, Thanks for the heads up.. Actually, I was just replying to an ongoing thread, and updated the subject approipately. :) I looked in TRAC and couldn't find anything related, so obviously I wasn't searching deep enough. I'll look again and see where I went astray ;-/ The XO that I have running Joyride already has an /home/olpc/Activities directory owned by OLPC... so I'll dig into the ticket and see if it has any other suggestions... Thanks again, :) -iXo On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:40, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried to use several joyrides and the control panel / upgrade option... it just sits at 9% and does nothing. On 2269 I even left it over night to see if it needed more than 10 hrs.. still nothing. (I have no XS server, is one required?) I've never seen it work at all.. ;-/ Is there an estimate on the length of time for the upgrade process.. clean system with no activities? with G1G1 activity pack? with just 5 activites? How long should I wait to get past the first '9%' and downloading? How much does it need to download first ? -iXo p.s. Shall I file a TRAC ticket with the list of Activities I have ? It's a bug. Before sending to two large mailing lists, you should search for the existing TRAC ticket about it: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7845 A search for control panel software update brought it right up as the 2nd ticket. The way to circumvent the bug is to go to the console terminal and do mkdir /home/olpc/Activities and chown olpc /home/olpc/Activities. Then the updater will work. John ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [support-gang] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!
My adventures in upgrading from 2269 to 2301. * olpc-update joyride-2301 No problems.. very fast to update. * Sugar / Control panel / 'Software Update' still doesn't work for me. (Never has,I have /home/olpc/Activities directory with 18 activities, no activity packs) I suspect hanging on one of the activities, I'll 'divide and conquer' to determine which one. * When doing a 'shutdown', received the following error. Stopping cerebro -p -i msh0 : [FAILED] (a bunch of stuff [OK] ) Kill cerebro(pgid 1726) ? (Y/N) [FAILED] Typed 'y' and nothing happened, had to do a 'hard reset' via button. * Bootup time much better ! :) -iXo On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 20:46, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2301, valid until Wednesday, August 20. Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing while we still have time to fix issues you might find! Our specific interest this week has changed; this week, we'd love to know: How many ways can you crash or hang your XO? Currently known issues are recorded at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_joyride-2301 New issues should be filed in our bug-tracking system (dev.laptop.org) according to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Submitting_bugs or by notifying us by other means. Thanks! Michael P.S. - I was asked to include to specific notices in this email; first, that http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update gives full details on the new Sugar Control Panel Activity Updater and second, that we are hoping in future weeks to offer a new Coordinated Testing volunteer opportunity as part of the run-up to the 8.2.0 raw OS release. Poke me, Kim, Joe, Charlie, S Page, Seth, or Francesca for details. Sneak preview: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0 ___ support-gang mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Activities] Panorama activity
If the code is short, how about including it in Pippy as an example python script ? :) -Iain 2008/9/5 Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sweet, I totally missed that! Is anyone actively working on integrating that functionality into 'record' or making it available as a seperate activity? Christoph On 9/5/08, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *bump* http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Panorama_camera_activity (code? Nirav is interested in doing something similar!) Brian On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:56 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The XO happens to be perfect for shooting stitched panoramic photographs, due to the swivel design. I tested it out in the OLPCHQ lobby. Then, I wrote a simple panorama stitcher in 50 lines of Python. It runs in 3.4 seconds on my Core Duo, producing this output: http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bmschwar/lobby_ugly.jpghttp://people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Ebmschwar/lobby_ugly.jpg The results aren't too bad. I also tried stitching this scene with Hugin, the most powerful panorama stitcher I know of. Hugin required significant user intervention and half an hour of computing time, producing this output: http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bmschwar/lobby_pretty.jpghttp://people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Ebmschwar/lobby_pretty.jpg This scene is unusually difficult because of the huge indoor-outdoor contrast. Given this positive result, I would like to work on a panorama-making activity, possibly inside Capture. I know that at age 10, I loved making panoramas out of photographs. Panoramas provide an immersive way for children to communicate their environments to each other and to the world. - --Ben Schwartz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGeU4yUJT6e6HFtqQRAv4rAJ9F5wTDfzz9piYzzwGskVVmaqZTiQCgjFru QsRergUtY1iCZS6hIXCHjSM= =v5GB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Activities mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/activities -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities
Here are my top 10 ranking, (with the next 10, if assuming some basic required packages) Journal Browse Write Record Paint Maze Calculate Pippy Physics (or x2o) Measure Implode Speak Memorize TamTam Moon XaoS Read Help Terminal XoIRC My criteria is basic activities or younger children exploring, and as the user 'masters' those activities... which activities would be next in the development/adventure/discovery/coolness/learning process. :) These are my close running 21st place :) StarChart eToys TurtleArt Chat Watch and Listen (Helix media player) WikiBrowse - SPOILER ALERT Below is my own informal tally so far, :) Record 10 Browse 9 TamTam 8 Write 8 Paint 7 Pippy 6 eToys 6 Measure 5 Speak 5 Read 5 Physics (or X2O) 5 TurtleArt 5 Chat 4 Journal 3 Memorize 3 Help 3 Terminal 3 Moon 2 Distance 2 Firefox 2 SimCity 2 XaoS 2 Frotz 2 Implode 2 Watch and Listen (Helix media player) 1 Acoustic Tape Measure / Distance 1 XoIRC 1 Memory 1 Maze 1 Calculate 1 Ruler 1 StarChart 1 Bridge 1 Words 1 Tumbleboy 1 PlayGo 1 Clock 1 GCompris Chess 1 GCompris Sudoku 1 StarChart 1 ePals 1 WikiBrowse 1 WikiBrowse Spanish 1 FYI, some people assumed basic Activities would be included no matter what: . . like Journal, Browse, and Help, Terminal. Cool ! :) -iXo ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
How about adding these into Joyride Activities one at a time ? A sort of encouragement for testers to test them out. before 8.2 release :) -iXo On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 15:27, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ ;-) Original G1G1 activities: Browse Read Write Paint Record TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab, Edit, Chat Pippy Etoys Turtle Art Calculate Measure Distance Memorize Terminal Log Analyze New ones: Help Implode Speak Maze SimCity Scratch Xaos StarChart Moon GCompris Chess GCompris Sudoku The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent request or a specific concern please speak up now. Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users. We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday! Developers, Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an active and reachable developer to make the final list. Morgan, can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these? Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained. All, Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes. I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one. To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case. Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the steps test from above for a start. Then you can add a test result by clicking on the + sign next to the test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation). You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks, Greg S ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
FYI, I made a few quick edits... organized it a bit more, made a glossary tab/page (to define those confusing terms). I also started a list of 'checklist items', which Activities need before they can become part of the 'G1G1v2 Activity Pack'. (I didn't know the specific details, but put down some ideas ) If the list of activities gets too long, we may think about pivoting the table around... but it's going to be difficult with a long criteria list. -iXo On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 13:41, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sameer thanks for making the spreadsheet world editable By the way how are you defining the following terms:- Stability Performance Child Utility Technical Utility Grown-up utility Lines of code I'm not. I just pulled out a few items that came to me. Ideally, the Sugar team should be making this list. Good definitions of these terms noted in the spreadsheet will reduce ambiguity. Agreed. Like a good data dictionary. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ Nothing like ambiguity to cause misunderstanding. On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet. I wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely useful communication tool for both children and adults. I know G1G1 users that spend at least 80% of their XO usage with Chat and they have reported to me that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to communicate with their friends even when their friends were in the same room. I've made it world-editable. Alternatively, you can download the spreadsheet and play with it in Excel or OpenOffice. Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse. Yes, but it exists. Feel free to add as many activities as needed. Sameer In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
