Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 05:15, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:11 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: now that it's been pointed out that most of the cat processes were from bootchart itself, i highly doubt there will be Heisenbug :-) even then, it does give you fairly good idea of what's up during boot. SoaS is meant to run on any hw out there, and a lot of the optimisations on the XO are because we _know_ what hw we have. Does it make sense to get skip all this hw poking if it looks like an XO patch upstream? In fact, this might be something that upstream wants to think about in a generic sense. All the boot-in-5s focus lately is a lot of fun (and great for end-users, I surely want _my_ boxes to boot in 5s), but depends in part on skipping a lot of poking and waiting for hardware. Anyone building a custom Fedora for a netbook will want the same thing we want: a way to declare a fast path for known hw. Specially on the netbook segment this can have a huge payoff. (Wonder if Ubuntu doing something like this?) Mandriva has done this for the derivatives of their distro that netbook makers ship. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] aslo caching
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 07:44, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Are there any php experts around? I changed some .po files in activites.sl.o and then rebuilt the .mo files. After flushing memcache the changes were visible. Now for some reason, the changes seem to have reverted. Is it possible that the old information is being cached somehow? This happened to me until I restarted both memcached and apache. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] The Road to SoaS-2: A new Snapshot!
Is this version with 'honey' or without? Actually there a way to tell from the wiki what is on the image? Eg e-toys? Scratch? I downloaded the iso and booted from usb a couple of weeks ago - (the version with the cursor problem - feb 20?) and couldn't work out how to do anything with pippy Can someone point me in the right direction with say running a code sample I can see all the examples on the LHS but the console at bottom didn't accept cursor; eg couldn't try typing run or help, if that's the idea There is a database error at present when I try to access the moodle course (http://schools.sugarlabs.org/course/view.php?id=17) which is linked from http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick .. (i don't see moodle at all - just Error: Database connection failed. ) Cheers Rob From: iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Caroline Meeks Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 2:42 PM To: s...@sugarlabs.org Cc: i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sugar Devel Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Road to SoaS-2: A new Snapshot! Boots for me! The first two activities I tried worked. Can't connect to the wireless network but I think that might be a problem wiht my wireless. Not ready to call it a Sugar bug yet. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi folks, a new soas-2 snapshot is ready for you! Go and grab it NOW from here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas-200903041854.iso It's important for us to get as much feedback as possible now, since with the recent release of Sugar 0.84, we're also approaching a release of Sugar on a Stick. In fact, this can already happen at the end of this week. So please go ahead, give it a try and report any issues you come across. It would be interesting to see, which activities work, which don't, and whether language support such as localization is properly working for you. Be also aware that this is based on F11 and that it might not work at all! New features include: * base system updated to F11 * sugar itself has been updated to version 0.84 * almost all activities are up2date now, too You might also want to head to the roadmap in our wiki here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap If you're a maintainer in Fedora and haven't updated your package yet to the latest version, please do so TODAY to help us releasing all the cool new stuff. ;) Thanks a lot happy testing! --Your SoaS Team _ Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] improving python on mobile devices
http://tetamap.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/mobiles-python-pypy-and-the-zone-vm/ When/If Nokia ships PyPy in Maemo, it should be pretty easy to get it used in smaller platforms by Sugar. Or we could join them and speed up things. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] updating gitorious
Hi all, Bernie has suggested upgrading to a newer version of Gitorious. This brings several interesting features but the updating process may be a bit disruptive. Bernie, which are the most important features we will win and which are this risks and costs? All, when is a good moment for you to do the switch? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:41, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On 03/04/09 10:45, Simon Schampijer wrote: this is the Final Release in our 0.84 development cycle [1]! Thanks to our testers the developers were able to bring in bug fixes to stabilize the platform. And the translators were busy to get all the strings translated. All the details what have changed from a user point of view will be handled in the detailed 0.84 release notes. Thanks everyone for your great contributions! Kudos! This release cycle was simply great, congratulations to everyone who worked so hard on it. So, how are we going to celebrate it? As 0.84.1 is going to be on, we could do a bug fix sprint during a weekend. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release
On 03/05/09 10:56, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: So, how are we going to celebrate it? As 0.84.1 is going to be on, we could do a bug fix sprint during a weekend. Should we get the marketing team to prepare a press release? Did we announce it on Freshmeat? Slashdot? LWN? OLPCNews? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release
Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 03/05/09 10:56, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: So, how are we going to celebrate it? As 0.84.1 is going to be on, we could do a bug fix sprint during a weekend. Should we get the marketing team to prepare a press release? Did we announce it on Freshmeat? Slashdot? LWN? OLPCNews? The marketing team is already working on it. 2 things I think are left. Good release notes and a well enough working Soas for people to try out. Both will be available in the next days - at least that is the plan. Cheers, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
Hi all, chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will require string changes. What do people think about bundling all those string changes together in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi all, chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will require string changes. What do people think about bundling all those string changes together in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to the 0.84.0 packages. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Quick question - gtk focusing
If you return True, no other event handlers will be processed so keyboard navigation will be avoided. Thank Wade! That did the job ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] New Soas-1 Image containing Sucrose 0.84.0
Hi, we have another Soas-1 image (based on F10). It contains the latest Glucose and Fructose packages from the 0.84.0 release [1]. You can download the image at [2]. Give it a try and report bugs at [3]. Please use the Soas component for issues related to the image - like booting, not correct keyboard detected and use the Sugar and Activity components to report bugs regarding the UI. Thanks, Your Soas Team [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84.0 [2] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas-200903051021.iso [3] dev.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts
I don't want weird bugs when I finally plug in my netbook to a IPv6 connection at some IT friend's house Optimizing bootup based on known, manufactured, fixed hardware is a great idea though. The hardware that's built into the machine should easily be enough to get you into a GUI. Initializing dynamic hw like USB drives and the network should wait until *after* booting though. There's no need to have my pluggable USB key ready before I can open a file manager or a shell to access it. Ultimately though, this is a pretty deep issue in the Linux configuration system. Time honored systems like /etc/fstab (fixed mount points for dynamic hardware? wtf!) and Xorg.conf (no pluggable input devices??) make this a real challenge. Udev is a step in the right direction, but takes like 10 seconds itself to start up. Perhaps the solution is something like this: Write totally custom initscripts for XO which initialize all the manufactured hardware and launch into X. Once X signals that it's up, udev and NetworkManager are started to recognize all the dynamic stuff, do DHCP, etc. This could be accomplished by making an alternate '/etc/hwspec/xo-1/rc.d' tree which parallels /etc/rc.d and contains all the optimized initscripts. The 'init' program would detect the XO's hardware signature (presence of OFW seems typical), and then symlink /etc/hwpsec/xo-1/rc.d over the regular /etc/rc.d. If the hardware is unrecognized, /etc/hwspec/generic/rc.d is symlinked into /etc/rc.d and the generic initscripts are booted. This /etc/hwspec/... system could be packaged into its own RPM, so there would be no need to convince upstream to adopt all our optimizations into the generic initscripts. Regards, Wade On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:35 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: martin wrote: In fact, this might be something that upstream wants to think about in a generic sense. All the boot-in-5s focus lately is a lot of fun (and great for end-users, I surely want _my_ boxes to boot in 5s), but depends in part on skipping a lot of poking and waiting for hardware. Anyone building a custom Fedora for a netbook will want the same thing we want: a way to declare a fast path for known hw. Specially on the netbook segment this can have a huge payoff. (Wonder if Ubuntu doing something like this?) i think the real win won't necessarily be declaring a fast path for known hw, but _remembering_ a fast path for _any_ hardware. i.e., if you've booted 10 times and never found ipv6, and always found the same 3 filesystems in the same partitions, maybe it's time to stop expecting anything else. does udev remember anything from boot to boot? seems like it should if it doesn't. but as you say, there are also a lot of simple cases: most machines have just one network interface, and it runs dhcp -- so once that seems to be true, don't check for anything else. most machines have one fixed disk, etc. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] The Road to SoaS-2: A new Snapshot!
Ton van Overbeek wrote: Generated the usb stick on Windows using liveusb-creator 3.2 with the '-x' option to get the boot/olpc.fth file. Edited the olpc.fth file to get rid of the extraneous backslashes (Luke already fixed this in git, but no updated windows version of liveusb-creator has been created yet). First tried to boot it on my Dell laptop (Precision M60, Pentium-M, 1920x1200 res). Got the three bars to complete, but then a blank screen and no X windows. no Sugar. Could not get a text console (Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] did not work). Mh, this is interesting. We'll need to look into that, but sounds like an issue with F11 / Rawhide right now. Then reflashed the stick and tried to boot it on the XO. Got the nice graphical plymouth boot which took a loong time to complete (much much longer than a SoaS-1 image). Again a blank screen and no X. Here I could get to the text consoles. Noticed there was a cursor which could be moved over the screen with the XO touchpad. dmesg did not show any obvious clues. Xorg.0.log showed at the end: - (II) GEODE: Driver for AMD Geode Chipsets: Geode LX, Geode GX (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screen found - The XO specific xorg.conf file was created in /etc/X11 and read by the X server.. Okay, this has recently been fixed and should work again on the XO by today. So we'll be publishing an updated snapshot later today... All in all not very successful. I hope you can use this info. Ton van Overbeek Yeah! Thanks a lot for giving it a test drive... :) --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release
Congratulations to everyone - very nice job! - Ed On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 03/05/09 10:56, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: So, how are we going to celebrate it? As 0.84.1 is going to be on, we could do a bug fix sprint during a weekend. Should we get the marketing team to prepare a press release? Did we announce it on Freshmeat? Slashdot? LWN? OLPCNews? The marketing team is already working on it. 2 things I think are left. Good release notes and a well enough working Soas for people to try out. Both will be available in the next days - at least that is the plan. Cheers, Simon ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release
The media launch and multi-language press release has been scheduled for March 16th, when release notes, the PR phone number, and the final press mailing lists including the education publications will be ready. I will have Tuesday's marketing meeting topics deliverables mail ready sometime today, meanwhile: http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Meetings/03-03-2009 Please, don't spread the word without coordinating with the marketing team, we don't even have the PR phone numbers set up and our impact will be maximized if we can stay coordinated. Thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Ed McNierney e...@laptop.org wrote: Congratulations to everyone - very nice job! - Ed On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 03/05/09 10:56, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: So, how are we going to celebrate it? As 0.84.1 is going to be on, we could do a bug fix sprint during a weekend. Should we get the marketing team to prepare a press release? Did we announce it on Freshmeat? Slashdot? LWN? OLPCNews? The marketing team is already working on it. 2 things I think are left. Good release notes and a well enough working Soas for people to try out. Both will be available in the next days - at least that is the plan. Cheers, Simon ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] The Road to SoaS-2: A new Snapshot!
On 04.03.2009, at 20:58, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, a new soas-2 snapshot is ready for you! Go and grab it NOW from here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas-200903041854.iso It's important for us to get as much feedback as possible now, since with the recent release of Sugar 0.84, we're also approaching a release of Sugar on a Stick. In fact, this can already happen at the end of this week. So please go ahead, give it a try and report any issues you come across. Tried to run this in VMWare. It reports an error in the initramfs (losetup says there is no loop device) and stops. For easier identification after download, could you rename the files to Soas2-...? I also tried 1/Soas-200903051021.iso which worked fine as ever. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84 - Bugfix Release Schedule
Hi, to get bug fixes in after our 0.84.0 release we have scheduled two more coordinated releases for the next 4 weeks [1]. Mar 20 Sucrose 0.84.1 Apr 3 Sucrose 0.84.2 Furthermore we will do weekly Glucose releases to keep the tarballs up to date. The dates were picked in coordination with the upcoming Fedora 11 [2] and Ubuntu Jaunty [3] release. We hope to stabilize our 0.84 Release like that. So the upcoming weeks, Testers, the BugSquad and Developers need to work together closely to polish everything up. Main testing environment will be Sugar on a Stick [4] and your distribution of choice. Happy polishing everyone - we are getting close now! Your Release Team [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule [4] http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release
re spreading the word: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-March/000419.html Monday, March 16th, 9:00 AM EST thanks Sean On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The media launch and multi-language press release has been scheduled for March 16th, when release notes, the PR phone number, and the final press mailing lists including the education publications will be ready. I will have Tuesday's marketing meeting topics deliverables mail ready sometime today, meanwhile: http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Meetings/03-03-2009 Please, don't spread the word without coordinating with the marketing team, we don't even have the PR phone numbers set up and our impact will be maximized if we can stay coordinated. Thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Ed McNierney e...@laptop.org wrote: Congratulations to everyone - very nice job! - Ed On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 03/05/09 10:56, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: So, how are we going to celebrate it? As 0.84.1 is going to be on, we could do a bug fix sprint during a weekend. Should we get the marketing team to prepare a press release? Did we announce it on Freshmeat? Slashdot? LWN? OLPCNews? The marketing team is already working on it. 2 things I think are left. Good release notes and a well enough working Soas for people to try out. Both will be available in the next days - at least that is the plan. Cheers, Simon ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
