Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: One week slip of Fedora 11 Release
On 05/20/09 10:33, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Shall we re-adjust our schedule accordingly? Sorry, my brain is broken. I parsed 11 as 12 and hit Send before actually reading the full announcement. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] disabling tap to click
I'm forwarding this to de...@lists.laptop.org because some people familiar with the OLPC hardware and software might not be in sugar-devel. Regards, Tomeu -- Forwarded message -- From: p...@laptop.org Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 at 14:21 Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] disabling tap to click To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org roshan wrote: yes I have those current XOs with standard touchpad and I'm using os767. in that case you're in somewhat uncharted territory. the tap_time parameter mentioned in in the link you gave below is documented to only work with absolute touchpads, so i doubt it applies. there may be some special synaptics support you can try (bobby mentioned gsynaptics, for instance, which i've never used). please let us know what you discover. paul On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:01, roshan karki ros...@olenepal.org wrote: Hello, How can I disable tap to click. I tried this http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/bugs/2008-June/079845.html but it doesn't work. Hi Roshan, can you be more specific about which hardware and version of sugar are you using? As far as I know, OLPC has never released a version with tap-to-click enabled. I think the current XOs coming off the line have a standard touchpad (as opposed to the dual-use touchpad/tablet), which has tap for click capabilities. You might be able to install gsynaptics. Bobby part 2 text/plain 153 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
[forwarding to sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org] 2009/5/14 Diogo Serra @ IPLEIRIA diogo.se...@ipleiria.pt: Hy there, Where i can find the *.po of Help activity ? Thanks -- Diogo Serra Programação e Desenvolvimento Campus 5 - Rua das Olhalvas 2414 - 016 Leiria - PORTUGAL Tel.: (+351) 244 845 052 | Fax: (+351) 244 845 059 | diogo.se...@ipleiria.pt | http://ued.ipleiria.pt ___ Localization mailing list localizat...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install'
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 22:52, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Anyone managed to work around the Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install' yet? I'd been religiously avoiding updating sugar- jubuild for a few weeks as it was working fine (other than going out of date) and I'd noticed a whole rash of other folks emailing and trac'ing with issues. I finally tried today and things broke, as I'd feared :-( Have an F10 VM running sugar-jhbuild that was working just fine until I tried to refresh, Sascha has mentioned that the jhbuild git rep has been recently moved, and the below ticket: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582490 on SL ticket: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/857 But I found neither a ~/bin/ or ~/.local/bin/, and nothing seems to want to 'make install'. Any hints appreciated! Some additional info: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579877 Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:23 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 20:45, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine needs to be setup. If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, I guess we should contact the organizations (universitites, telecoms, etc) that are already mirroring linux distros and other FOSS projects? Yes, currently on my list: - university of twente - nluug (proffessial unix user group) - xs4all.nl (ISP) These are already mirroing *BSD's / GNU-Linux's and more floss projects. cheers Marten It may be a first contact that leads to other collaboration in the future. Regards, Tomeu cheers, Marten David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and XS in VirtualBox
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: o XS school server (but I have not fully configured it and tested it with XOs) Not sure how the strange expectations on networking gear the XS has will play on the VM. But I can recommend: - using the experimental 0.6 img files, which are preinstalled ext3 images. - if you give the VM only one NIC, you'll want to use xs-swapnics (+ reboot) to make it the LAN NIC. You can setup two NICs in virtualbox with one bridged or NAT and the other on an internal network. Then you can connect other VMs running sugar to the internal network and it works as expected. - if your VM networking infra wants to handle dhcp and routing, them hummm, I don't know what to suggest. the XS wants to run the network and it won't be easy to talk him out of it. I have got this working for simple testing, where everything is running on one NIC, and DHCP is handled by my wireless router, but I forgot exactly what I did. I'll try to figure it out and post. It's good for testing. Dave hth, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install'
On 05/19/2009 10:52 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: Anyone managed to work around the Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install' yet? I'd been religiously avoiding updating sugar- jubuild for a few weeks as it was working fine (other than going out of date) and I'd noticed a whole rash of other folks emailing and trac'ing with issues. I finally tried today and things broke, as I'd feared :-( Have an F10 VM running sugar-jhbuild that was working just fine until I tried to refresh, Sascha has mentioned that the jhbuild git rep has been recently moved, and the below ticket: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582490 on SL ticket: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/857 But I found neither a ~/bin/ or ~/.local/bin/, and nothing seems to want to 'make install'. Any hints appreciated! Regards, --Gary Hi Gary, #857 does contain a fix now - which does work for me. Looks good to me - but want that our sugar-jhbuild maintainer has a quick look at it as well :) Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install'
On 20 May 2009, at 12:00, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/19/2009 10:52 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: Anyone managed to work around the Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install' yet? I'd been religiously avoiding updating sugar- jubuild for a few weeks as it was working fine (other than going out of date) and I'd noticed a whole rash of other folks emailing and trac'ing with issues. I finally tried today and things broke, as I'd feared :-( Have an F10 VM running sugar-jhbuild that was working just fine until I tried to refresh, Sascha has mentioned that the jhbuild git rep has been recently moved, and the below ticket: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582490 on SL ticket: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/857 But I found neither a ~/bin/ or ~/.local/bin/, and nothing seems to want to 'make install'. Any hints appreciated! Regards, --Gary Hi Gary, #857 does contain a fix now - which does work for me. Looks good to me - but want that our sugar-jhbuild maintainer has a quick look at it as well :) Fab, thanks Simon. The changes to the sugar-jhbuild script work well for me here, all up and running again. FWIW I did have one other issue I had to manually fix before I could successfully build, the error was: *** Building sugar-update-control *** [22/37] python setup.py build Traceback (most recent call last): File setup.py, line 2, in module from DistUtilsExtra.command import * # gettext support ImportError: No module named DistUtilsExtra.command I re-tried: ./sugar-jhbuild depscheck ...but this gave no indication that the module was needed, or missing, so I manually installed it with: sudo yum install python-distutils-extra Build was all happy after this. Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install'
On 05/20/2009 04:40 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: On 20 May 2009, at 12:00, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/19/2009 10:52 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: Anyone managed to work around the Obsolete jhbuild start script, do run 'make install' yet? I'd been religiously avoiding updating sugar- jubuild for a few weeks as it was working fine (other than going out of date) and I'd noticed a whole rash of other folks emailing and trac'ing with issues. I finally tried today and things broke, as I'd feared :-( Have an F10 VM running sugar-jhbuild that was working just fine until I tried to refresh, Sascha has mentioned that the jhbuild git rep has been recently moved, and the below ticket: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=582490 on SL ticket: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/857 But I found neither a ~/bin/ or ~/.local/bin/, and nothing seems to want to 'make install'. Any hints appreciated! Regards, --Gary Hi Gary, #857 does contain a fix now - which does work for me. Looks good to me - but want that our sugar-jhbuild maintainer has a quick look at it as well :) Fab, thanks Simon. The changes to the sugar-jhbuild script work well for me here, all up and running again. FWIW I did have one other issue I had to manually fix before I could successfully build, the error was: *** Building sugar-update-control *** [22/37] python setup.py build Traceback (most recent call last): File setup.py, line 2, in module from DistUtilsExtra.command import * # gettext support ImportError: No module named DistUtilsExtra.command I re-tried: ./sugar-jhbuild depscheck ...but this gave no indication that the module was needed, or missing, so I manually installed it with: sudo yum install python-distutils-extra Build was all happy after this. Regards, --Gary Great. We should check that all the deps are setup correctly. That might be something else you run into: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/861 Cheers, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #864 UNSP: Browse activity segfault when clicking on a ogg file
the file is bad. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:55 PM, SugarLabs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #864: Browse activity segfault when clicking on a ogg file --+- Reporter: thjc | Owner: erikos Type: defect | Status: new Priority: Unspecified by Maintainer | Milestone: soas_fossvt Component: Browse | Version: Unspecified Severity: Unspecified | Resolution: Keywords: | Distribution: SoaS Status_field: Unconfirmed | --+- Comment(by thjc): Actually on further examination, this seems to only happen on the particular Example.ogg that is linked in the main ticket. -- Ticket URL: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/864#comment:1 Sugar Labs http://sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs bug tracking system ___ Bugs mailing list b...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar and XS in VirtualBox
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Of the .iso images I have tried in VirtualBox, the following worked correctly as far as I have gone with them: o Debian (with only a few Sugar packages available) o Fedora (with Sugar packages) o Caixa Mágica (but I have not installed Sugar yet) o Fedora Sugar Spin (Select Sugar session before logging in) o SoaS 20090503 o Fedora 11 build for XO (preliminary to XO 1.5 builds) o XS school server (but I have not fully configured it and tested it with XOs) The following fail: o SoaS Beta (Crashes during boot) o sugar-jhbuild (X not configured) I have put my notes on the Emulator Image Files page in the Wiki. Please let me know if you would like further details of any of these, which I intend to use for further testing. Now that I have an adequate set of functioning images, I intend to practice setting up shares and learning how to use virtual USB drives in VirtualBox. My plan has been to develop various sorts of learning material in VirtualBox, and extract the saved files from the Journal to put into lesson plans in Moodle. Once I can do all of that, I may need some technical assistance with the plan that follows, to make it easy for content developers to set up Sugar in emulation and move lesson plans in and out without having to understand setting up VirtualBox themselves. Very nice. Well running and well documented usage of Sugar on various distros in VirtualBox will make it _much_ easier to appeal to larger testing, content authoring, and developer audiences. david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarCamp Links
Lionel, Thanks for coordinating the event. The wide breadth of participation, passion, and skills was truly amazing. I look forward to working with you and the rest of OLPCFrance again in the near future. david On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:37 PM, LASKE, Lionel (C2S) lla...@c2s.fr wrote: Hi all, Thanks to all participants to the SugarCamp. It was really a great event. OLPC France is proud to organize this event with SugarLabs. Many thanks again to our sponsor AFUL and GDium. Below few links to remind you the event. Lionel Bonjour, Merci à tous les participants du SugarCamp. C’était réellement un superbe événement que OLPC France est fier d’avoir organisé avec le SugarLabs. Un grand merci encore à nos sponsors l’AFUL et GDium. Ci-dessous quelques liens pour revivre l’événement. Lionel. Photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/88206...@n00/sets/72157618364258402/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/50394...@n00/sets/72157618264065620/ Videos: http://www.dailymotion.com/olpcfrance/video/15670571 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwWDxTsCkxg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkSvI0i1qRE Audio: http://www.wat.tv/audio/laske-lionel-president-olpc-1i6me_1hg7a_.html Report: http://olpc-france.org/wiki/index.php?title=Atelier_traduction_malgache_:_compte-rendu http://www.sugarcamp.canalblog.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: One week slip of Fedora 11 Release
Unless there is a good reason, I would say no. Maintaining an upstream release date is an important planning tool for all of Sugar Labs' downstream partners and users. david On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Shall we re-adjust our schedule accordingly? Original Message Subject: One week slip of Fedora 11 Release Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:29:23 -0700 From: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com Reply-To: fedora-l...@redhat.com Organization: Red Hat To: fedora-announce-l...@redhat.com, fedora-devel-annou...@redhat.com, fedora-test-l...@redhat.com In a meeting today between Release Engineering, QA, and various team leads, we decided to enact a 7 day slip of the Fedora 11 release date. The primary reason behind this slip is the state of our blocker bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F11Blockerhide_resolved=1 We cannot begin Release Candidate phase until the blocker bugs are closed or at least in MODIFIED state. We are not there today, which would be our last day to enter RC phase and still have enough time to release on the 26th. We hope to enter RC phase in the next couple days, and hit our new target, June 2nd. Freeze breaks for critical bugs will still be accepted, however trivial bug fixes should be pushed as updates via bodhi. Thanks! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities in Sucrose release cycle
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:16:27PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 15:40, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: Hi all, Do we really need activities in Sucrose release cycle? I think it helps with localization. Think about issue with last Browse which doesn't run on sugar 0.82 (but old Browse from 0.82 didn't have needed feature). Another problem - small but valuable fixes(like updating i18n for example) deployers have to patch it by themselves. Or in common, new activity versions in sucrose-0.85 release cycle, are they so 0.85 centric that 0.84(0.82) users cant use these versions. Well, I think this is a matter of resources rather than of schedule. If people can modify browse in such a way that works with past versions, they should. But if it's too costly in matters of time... These versions could be 0.85 centric but we could wrap all sucrose related differences to toplevel API in separate package (I use sugar-port for this purpose[1]). For example on 0.84+ ObjectChooser(from sugar-port) will use preselected mime type but on 0.82 only fake(errorless) code. In that case activity authors can follow this API and write sucrose independent activities. Perhaps we should try to do more of it in the sugar toolkit level? if we will extract sugar-toolkit from sucrose :) i.e. with ObjectChooser we have 3 options * no selectable mime types for 0.82 * selectable mime types only for predefined types for 0.84 * custom selectable mime types for 0.86(at least I hope) If activity author wants his activity to be runnable on 0.82-0.86 he can: * add try..except/if code to activity * add sugar-port/chooser.py to his project and use its API But how sugar-toolkit can be useful in this situation? So, we have to use non sucrose package, otherwise upgrading sugar-toolkit-0.82 to 0.86(when the rest of system is 0.82). -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug and submit his first patch. It was just painful. jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could easily make things easier with a few changes: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects. They break very often, and we cannot fix them. Let's instead upgrade manually every once in a while after some testing. 2) Do not build C modules that is already available (and recent enough) in popular distros. Specifically: abiword, matchbox, hippocanvas... 3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of time. You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't need TamTam and TurtleArt. 4) We could check for prerequisites before starting the build. Some configure scripts are stupid enough to fail tests silently and proceed anyway using no as a command name in make :-) If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can provide patches (or just go on and commit them). -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sound levels and pulseaudio fallout
(written as part of the brussels test session) One thing consistent across the machines we're testing with Soas is that many (most?) of them get very low sound levels. This is an issue with Fedora and Pulseaudio. The fedora devel list is aflame with discussion about this, and it appears that -- beyond the flaming -- the problem is real, and not easy to solve (meaning it won't be solved in F11). There's an excellent article on the topic @ http://lwn.net/Articles/330684/ It looks like Fedora (for this release) will recommend people to use alsamixer (and a revived oldstyle gnome-mixer) as a workaround. I'm not sure if there's a scripted way to get the other channels pumped up to their max levels properly -- and if you do it blindly, it seems that you might overshoot the mark and saturate. Thought I'd flag it as it's quite likely to hit many Soas users. (On known hw such as the XO it's easier to rig it). cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sound levels and pulseaudio fallout
martin wrote: (written as part of the brussels test session) One thing consistent across the machines we're testing with Soas is that many (most?) of them get very low sound levels. This is an issue with Fedora and Pulseaudio. The fedora devel list is aflame with discussion about this, and it appears that -- beyond the flaming -- the problem is real, and not easy to solve (meaning it won't be solved in F11). There's an excellent article on the topic @ http://lwn.net/Articles/330684/ It looks like Fedora (for this release) will recommend people to use alsamixer (and a revived oldstyle gnome-mixer) as a workaround. I'm not sure if there's a scripted way to get the other channels pumped up to their max levels properly -- and if you do it blindly, it seems that you might overshoot the mark and saturate. Thought I'd flag it as it's quite likely to hit many Soas users. (On known hw such as the XO it's easier to rig it). low-end hardware like the XO has no business running pulse. last i looked, simply playing an uncompressed audio stream (admittedly, it was probably sourced remotely, but that's not uncommon) caused pulse to consume about 10% of a 1.6Ghz atom. now, it's somewhat possible that my system was misconfigured -- perhaps someone should double check me on this. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] OLPC/Sugar on OpenCommunityCamp
Dear All, Inspired by Lionel, I would like to make place for OLPC/Sugar on OpenCommunityCamp. The Camp will be from July 26th till 2nd August in the Netherlands (20 from Schiphol Airport AMS) We can have 6 day's of work and fun together. Since I am in facilitating in core organization, responsible for the evening program and other track and doing parts of the content (*BSD/XO-repairing). To have this working out I need the help of one or two people who can take a lead in the program. So get this working please let me know whether this is interesting. A no fine too and save me time. Ofcourse I do prefer a yes of some people. The current evening track has interesting talks already. During tree day's there is also a Drupal training. More info: http://opencommunitycamp.org evening track: http://opencommunitycamp.org/2009/?q=node/15 Thanks, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug and submit his first patch. It was just painful. jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could easily make things easier with a few changes: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects. They break very often, and we cannot fix them. Let's instead upgrade manually every once in a while after some testing. 2) Do not build C modules that is already available (and recent enough) in popular distros. Specifically: abiword, matchbox, hippocanvas... 3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of time. You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't need TamTam and TurtleArt. 4) We could check for prerequisites before starting the build. Some configure scripts are stupid enough to fail tests silently and proceed anyway using no as a command name in make :-) If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can provide patches (or just go on and commit them). When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can we get rid of that? (I have no idea how to detect the distro or how to automate that just to let you know this fact...) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-50
== .xo == http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/downloads/file/26052/turtle_art-50.xo == Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-50.tar.bz2 == Features == * fixed some problems with taexportlogo * cleaned up save/load icons * print uses title for Journal objects * cleaned up movie window destroy code * more consistent template management internally * support of a sort for show in taexporthtml == Documentation == http://sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art enjoy and please report any problems -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Re: Reviving Sugarbot
Anyone wants to take it over? Original Message Subject:Re: Reviving Sugarbot Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:58:40 -0400 From: Zach Riggle zachrig...@gmail.com To: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org CC: Titus Brown ti...@idyll.org Bernie I am extremely busy this summer, so I won't be able to assist with development. I would be very glad to help you figure everything out to continue development of Sugarbot, though :-). Something to get you started is available here: http://code.google.com/p/sugarbot/wiki/HowDoesSugarbotWork Let me know if you have any questions, and I'll go into more detail :-D Zach On May 20, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Hello, your project seems just what we need to augment our testing infrastructure: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Would you like to work on integrating it with the current versions of Sugar? And if you're too busy, would you be interested in helping us figure it out? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
+1 overall. The Wiki recommends sugar-jhbuild as an environment for developers. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team Development systems All of core Sugar development except system-dependent modifications can be done on a standard computer by compiling jhbuild and editing with your favorite editor (eclipse/pydev, emacs, vim, etc.). Given its dismal record of being able to compile and run, I have not found that to be the case. I had complete success _once_ over a period of months. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug and submit his first patch. It was just painful. jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could easily make things easier with a few changes: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects. They break very often, and we cannot fix them. Let's instead upgrade manually every once in a while after some testing. Yes! 2) Do not build C modules that is already available (and recent enough) in popular distros. Specifically: abiword, matchbox, hippocanvas... Assuming that we aren't building modified versions, of course. 3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of time. You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't need TamTam and TurtleArt. And you don't usually need Sugar to test Etoys. Now that we have numerous functioning images with functioning Activities, this works for me. Although I would miss TamTam and Turtle Art. Did I mention that The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose (California) wants to do an XO exhibit, with a focus on art and music education? 4) We could check for prerequisites before starting the build. Some configure scripts are stupid enough to fail tests silently and proceed anyway using no as a command name in make :-) Isn't that supposed to be the purpose of './sugar-jhbuild depscheck'? It doesn't always work, and could be considerably improved with distribution-specific knowledge. If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can provide patches (or just go on and commit them). Please. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Re: Reviving Sugarbot
Realistically, Sugarbot and Develop should ideally be coordinated. I can't make a commitment to revive sugarbot, but I can say that if someone does the work to get Sugarbot working I'll do some work to integrate it with Develop. And I'll be appropriately impressed and grateful to whoever steps forward, too, and I'll try to help if I can, without repainting your bike shed. Jameson 2009/5/20 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Anyone wants to take it over? Original Message Subject:Re: Reviving Sugarbot Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:58:40 -0400 From: Zach Riggle zachrig...@gmail.com To: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org CC: Titus Brown ti...@idyll.org Bernie I am extremely busy this summer, so I won't be able to assist with development. I would be very glad to help you figure everything out to continue development of Sugarbot, though :-). Something to get you started is available here: http://code.google.com/p/sugarbot/wiki/HowDoesSugarbotWork Let me know if you have any questions, and I'll go into more detail :-D Zach On May 20, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Hello, your project seems just what we need to augment our testing infrastructure: http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/ Would you like to work on integrating it with the current versions of Sugar? And if you're too busy, would you be interested in helping us figure it out? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
