Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity
Surely an HTML manual in a browser is the way to go.. Perhaps you are correct. If not for Rainbow I think that the help activity and the browser could access the same material. The current OLPC help activity starts a hulahop.webview that displays 'help/XO_Introduction.html' The benefit is it is a single-purpose activity with its own '(?)' icon in the Home view, and it lacks some browser chrome such as the location field and View menu. But those features become a confusing hindrance the moment you follow a link from Help to an external web site. There aren't supposed to be external links in the help manual. It was meant to be a stand-alone manual, suitable for printing or for static html. Perhaps it would be better just to put a link to the local help files on the Browse home page This happened with the early 65x releases of Sugar back in 07 and not very many people ever found the manual. The point of having the Help activity as its own icon was to put it as close and easy to the user as possible. There was a goal of having the help activity or similar introduction run on first boot, but we ran out of time in the 8.2 release. I really really really owe the Sugar community a long email documenting what the heck went on with the Help activity last year. I've done a very poor job relinquishing ownership of the project and passing on information, as I haven't had time to work on the manual since last September. I apologize guys. This is still a bad time for me to get heavily involved in the FlossManual / Help-Activity project, but I should corral the 4+ email threads of questions I have in my to-do folder and write some documentation. (Feel free to poke me about if you see me over the weekend) --Seth ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Testing] Fwd: Testing summary - 30 May 2009: Wellington NZ
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 03:30, Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com wrote: Testing summary - 30 May 2009 - Wellington NZ Who: Tabitha, Tom, Brenda, Callum, Tara, Dave, Grant, PlayGo-5: when third XO joined existing game, the size of the game shrank to make room for join announcement, which moved everything so player put piece in wrong place, then third XO took one of black players turn but it is a 2 player game, then could choose to take black players turn. When using another activity on XO, user started activity twice (double click), get three resumes and three stops - attached image. None of the stops would stop the bridge activity. Also get a bridge icon in the task list, but with the name sugar-shell. This cannot be stopped either. There are 3 bridge applications consuming 1/3 of the cpu each: Bert, is this someone you would be interested in looking at? top - 00:19:13 up 1:47, 2 users, load average: 6.83, 6.07, 4.37 Tasks: 74 total, 3 running, 70 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 22.3%us, 4.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 72.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.1%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st Mem: 228236k total, 224728k used, 3508k free, 24588k buffers Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 33688k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 1430 olpc 20 0 39304 10m 4420 R 19.1 4.5 0:14.15 python 1194 root 20 0 35052 10m 7172 R 14.7 4.7 4:15.37 X 2098 10004 20 0 90864 32m 10m S 13.2 14.5 4:29.94 Bridge 03ee01f 2109 10006 20 0 80660 30m 10m S 13.2 13.6 4:22.73 Bridge 03ee01f 2113 10008 20 0 83084 31m 10m S 13.2 14.1 4:26.61 Bridge 03ee01f 1402 olpc 20 0 53844 35m 11m S 5.9 16.1 5:11.36 python 3 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 2.9 0.0 0:07.89 ksoftirqd/0 2566 root 20 0 2356 916 720 R 2.9 0.4 0:00.06 top 110 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 1.5 0.0 0:00.60 kswapd0 2505 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 1.5 0.0 0:00.53 usb-storage 1 root 20 0 4928 4128 1500 S 0.0 1.8 0:02.52 init The usb key was locked by some process and I couldn't umount it. I didn't try to eject from the journal before trying umount. After trying umount, the usb key didn't show up in the journal. I don't know if the usb key ever turned up in journal. Is this with Sugar 0.82 or 0.84? Handling of removable devices have changed completely in 0.84. On a separate XO, again experienced the issues of some USBs mounting but not displaying in Journal - we can use Kingston USBs. I have seen this happen in machines with Linux but no Sugar, does a reboot help with it? Thanks, Tomeu Screencast-1 and TurtleArt-51 In TurtleArt-51 on some XOs we cannot play screencasts or record videos but can use pictures Screencast capture is doing some weird mirror with two cursors and not a smooth capture Thanks everyone Tabitha ___ Testing mailing list test...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-datastore configure.ac should check for Python 2.5 or higher
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 14:58, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, Sugar-datastore uses constructs failing with Python older than 2.5: queue.join, queue.task_done, check_call, nested try-except-finally and fancy locking using with. Until now I patched the sources for Debian to work also with Python 2.4. If interested in keeping the code backwards compatible I can provide those patches. I'm not sure if we are in a position to support anything older than python 2.5, though of course compatibility with more systems would be great. If you don't want to change the code, then you really should change configure.in to check for Python version of at least 2.5. Will do, have entered this ticket: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/911 Thanks, Tomeu Same might apply to other Python libraries as well. Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkof3BIACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhcOQCfcL33pGx4cXzotocuXXkiJYd/ boAAn0Q0N5/uv68YoCKRffsofFemPvHd =HqOn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] hulahop autotools seems broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, The autotools shipped with hulahop 0.4.9 seems broken. * The option --disable-maintainer-mode is unsupported * libtool fails, seemingly treating compile flags as build options I have worked around it for now in the Debian packaging by regenerating autotools, but ideally it should be fixed upstream. As a related note, I noticed (because I now keep close track of *all* licensing info. including autogenerated files) that the autotools files shipped do not always progress: sometimes (I believe it was with sugar-toolkit but might be another core library) a newer release ship with older autotools files (e.g. not shipping the - funny in our context - - m4/ltsugar.mk file). Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkog7FsACgkQn7DbMsAkQLg85QCbBHi7nw+LKxiPyeURHOdZtb0/ 4NoAnjKAqC8iklP3E6k5ocmz7+vTJyxD =8Wys -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Journal activity release 101 not tagged in Git
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, As subject says, newest Journal release available at http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/Journal/ (and not at sugarlabs.org!), released january 2009, is not reflected as a Git tag at git://git.sugarlabs.org/journal/mainline (neither at the git at dev.laptop.org). Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkog7yMACgkQn7DbMsAkQLh68wCfQazWH8DWk5gZVQXbr7Zk+ZkZ u3oAnjSn4SgnkTQJxx3r58h54JPShIby =TAbd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, While updating packages for Debian, I failed to find proper homepages for activities at wiki.sugarlabs.org - and core introduction at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack points to some of the Sucrose activities at wiki.laptop.org. Is that correct? Are official activity homepages at wiki.laptop.org? Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkog8d8ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjQ6QCgkQloh3lbgKZqNywjG6Ihp3/S tQkAnja9Dl/W6OiTfwIxr3xzZ1wwi+XB =88bj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Well, I'd like to do a mockup of my idea (tonight), post it to the wiki under Gary's, and have feedback from the Design Team about both The splash/progress page is a key moment of a Learner's interaction with Sugar, let's explore its possibilities before finalizing it thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, this is just great - thanks a lot for working on it so quickly! :) It looks really promising! Let me know if you want me to grab the .png files from somewhere to build a test package... --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'd like to do a mockup of my idea (tonight), post it to the wiki under Gary's, and have feedback from the Design Team about both The splash/progress page is a key moment of a Learner's interaction with Sugar, let's explore its possibilities before finalizing it thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, this is just great - thanks a lot for working on it so quickly! :) It looks really promising! Let me know if you want me to grab the .png files from somewhere to build a test package... --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Also we want major deployment to customize it, put their school name in. Once we get inside a school we want it to be their Sugar or just Their Computer System but its very important that they feel ownership, its not just some program that they bought. Things like a splash screen with the school name can be a big help with that. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David Agreed, but we may want to provide some way for the distros to get some acknowledgement. Perhaps some distro-specific patch that can be applied to indicate their contribution, similar to the Fedora Remix embossment on the OLPC splash screen? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
As a possibility, maybe we could reserve progress-00.png at the beginning of the sequence for a distro / locally-customized splash screen? Blank by default And progress-01.png for Sugar logo, version number, copyright notice and distro logo. I could supply a bash imagemagick script which could build the PNG file on the fly from text switches e.g. --version Soas2-200905281544 Then start standard progress bar sequence at progress-01.png by the way I've been trying to find the documentation for plymouth syntax if anyone has a link i'd appreciate it, curious to know if progree bar is hardcoded to 25 images or whatever thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Also we want major deployment to customize it, put their school name in. Once we get inside a school we want it to be their Sugar or just Their Computer System but its very important that they feel ownership, its not just some program that they bought. Things like a splash screen with the school name can be a big help with that. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David Agreed, but we may want to provide some way for the distros to get some acknowledgement. Perhaps some distro-specific patch that can be applied to indicate their contribution, similar to the Fedora Remix embossment on the OLPC splash screen? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
Hi Jonas, On 30 May 2009, at 09:44, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi, While updating packages for Debian, I failed to find proper homepages for activities at wiki.sugarlabs.org - and core introduction at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack points to some of the Sucrose activities at wiki.laptop.org. Is that correct? Are official activity homepages at wiki.laptop.org? Are you looking for user oriented pages, or developer pages? The activities.sugarlabs.org Mozilla addons based site is intended to be the user facing site, with wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ activity_name being used for more technical notes activity if needed. Activities that were OLPC deployed, generally have their pages still on wiki.laptop.org, though as new (perhaps incompatible with 0.82) releases are made this is slowly migrating over to SO. FWIW: Here are some other structures/locations that Activity developers are asked to update if they want to help try and make packagers lives easier: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap Would be great if this (at some point) could be simplified to the point where having a git repository at git.sugarlabs.org was enough for all to work from. I think I've heard vague whispers that there might be some process used (or being worked on) by the Soas distro for pulling/building bundles from git**? ** I guess we would need some clear git guidelines for Activity authors to make sure their Activity mainline branch was always at the latest stable release (with new version work happening in branch/s). Regards, --Gary Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkog8d8ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjQ6QCgkQloh3lbgKZqNywjG6Ihp3/S tQkAnja9Dl/W6OiTfwIxr3xzZ1wwi+XB =88bj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
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On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:03:34PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote:
Hi Jonas,
On 30 May 2009, at 09:44, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
While updating packages for Debian, I failed to find proper homepages
for activities at wiki.sugarlabs.org - and core introduction at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack points to some
of the Sucrose activities at wiki.laptop.org.
Is that correct? Are official activity homepages at wiki.laptop.org?
Are you looking for user oriented pages, or developer pages?
This is what I am looking for (taken from Debian Policy §5.6.23 about
the Homepage stanza):
The URL of the web site for this package, preferably (when applicable)
the site from which the original source can be obtained and any
additional upstream documentation or information may be found.
I am packaging software that was published by Sugarlabs. So for the
context of the package that I build for Debian, Sugarlabs is upstream.
I am looking for a single URL being the home (i.e. starting point for
web browsing) of what Sugarlabs is providing, for each activity or
Glucose part.
The activities.sugarlabs.org Mozilla addons based site is intended to
be the user facing site, with wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/
activity_name being used for more technical notes activity if needed.
Well, I guess I mean eveloper pages, then.
activities.s.o seems a dead end for anyone but _your_ users, as those
pages seemingly link only to .xo files and homepages of _your_ upstreams
(Chat homepage is at OLPC, EToys homepage is at squeakland).
Some Debian users arguably are your users too, but administrators of
Debian systems are also Debian users and they want everything packaged
and officially endorsed (a.k.a. aged for some years ;-) ) by Debian.
Activities that were OLPC deployed, generally have their pages still
on wiki.laptop.org, though as new (perhaps incompatible with 0.82)
releases are made this is slowly migrating over to SO.
Ok.
So links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack
should be updated?
Are links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities then the right
ones?
Or are there no right, but only luck?
FWIW: Here are some other structures/locations that Activity
developers are asked to update if they want to help try and make
packagers lives easier:
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/
That's pages for download origin. Makes sense to include too (in Debian
packages such URLs are included in the file copyright and inside
scripts for automated download and/or tracking newer upstream releases).
I wouldn't use such pages as Homepages, however, as they do not contain
any introduction, and barely link to anywhere: It's a dead end for
anythong but downloading tarballs.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code
Hmm. According to that page, 0.82 is latest stable Sucrose, and most
Latest release entries are too old as well. I suggest dropping that
column and instead in first column link to the directory containing
source tarballs. Perhaps also rename column titles to this:
Source | Description | Development repository
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap
I suspect this is only relevant as inspiration for alternative
distributions.
Or is SoaS the recommended upstream source for other distributions?!?
Would be great if this (at some point) could be simplified to the
point where having a git repository at git.sugarlabs.org was enough
for all to work from. I think I've heard vague whispers that there
might be some process used (or being worked on) by the Soas distro for
pulling/building bundles from git**?
Cool for SoaS, but again, how is this relevant for other distros?
It might make sense for Sugarlabs to generate .tar.bz2, .deb, .rpm, .xo
and various other format files automatically from git, but that will be
in _addition_ to the packages maintained by each (larger) distribution,
not replacing it.
** I guess we would need some clear git guidelines for Activity
authors to make sure their Activity mainline branch was always at the
latest stable release (with new version work happening in branch/s).
Would be great, but does not in itself solve the problem of information
scattered all over, and - back to my main point - the lack of a
homepage to refer to from distributions.
Suggestion: Setup an automated script that trawls
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/**/${pkg}/*.tar.bz2 and generates
http://packages.sugarlabs.org/${pkg} for each package, and either an
index or a search page on the front page.
Each page would contain link to newest tarball, directory with all
tarballs, homepage at activities.sugarlabs.org, bugtracker page, git
browser etc.
In case of name clash between Glucose module and activity, show infor
for them both, emphasizing the activity part. In case of Fructose and
Hony name
Re: [Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:03:34PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Jonas, On 30 May 2009, at 09:44, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: While updating packages for Debian, I failed to find proper homepages for activities at wiki.sugarlabs.org - and core introduction at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack points to some of the Sucrose activities at wiki.laptop.org. Is that correct? Are official activity homepages at wiki.laptop.org? Are you looking for user oriented pages, or developer pages? This is what I am looking for (taken from Debian Policy §5.6.23 about the Homepage stanza): The URL of the web site for this package, preferably (when applicable) the site from which the original source can be obtained and any additional upstream documentation or information may be found. I am packaging software that was published by Sugarlabs. So for the context of the package that I build for Debian, Sugarlabs is upstream. I am looking for a single URL being the home (i.e. starting point for web browsing) of what Sugarlabs is providing, for each activity or Glucose part. Activities.sl.o is intentionally designed to decentralize the control of activity development anyone can upload their work to aslo to be distributed. Before becoming 'public' new activities and versions of activities are given a review by the aslo editors. aslo is a distribution tool rather than a developer tool. How is the issue handled when packaging mozilla addons? david The activities.sugarlabs.org Mozilla addons based site is intended to be the user facing site, with wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ activity_name being used for more technical notes activity if needed. Well, I guess I mean eveloper pages, then. activities.s.o seems a dead end for anyone but _your_ users, as those pages seemingly link only to .xo files and homepages of _your_ upstreams (Chat homepage is at OLPC, EToys homepage is at squeakland). Some Debian users arguably are your users too, but administrators of Debian systems are also Debian users and they want everything packaged and officially endorsed (a.k.a. aged for some years ;-) ) by Debian. Activities that were OLPC deployed, generally have their pages still on wiki.laptop.org, though as new (perhaps incompatible with 0.82) releases are made this is slowly migrating over to SO. Ok. So links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack should be updated? Are links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities then the right ones? Or are there no right, but only luck? FWIW: Here are some other structures/locations that Activity developers are asked to update if they want to help try and make packagers lives easier: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/ That's pages for download origin. Makes sense to include too (in Debian packages such URLs are included in the file copyright and inside scripts for automated download and/or tracking newer upstream releases). I wouldn't use such pages as Homepages, however, as they do not contain any introduction, and barely link to anywhere: It's a dead end for anythong but downloading tarballs. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code Hmm. According to that page, 0.82 is latest stable Sucrose, and most Latest release entries are too old as well. I suggest dropping that column and instead in first column link to the directory containing source tarballs. Perhaps also rename column titles to this: Source | Description | Development repository http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap I suspect this is only relevant as inspiration for alternative distributions. Or is SoaS the recommended upstream source for other distributions?!? Would be great if this (at some point) could be simplified to the point where having a git repository at git.sugarlabs.org was enough for all to work from. I think I've heard vague whispers that there might be some process used (or being worked on) by the Soas distro for pulling/building bundles from git**? Cool for SoaS, but again, how is this relevant for other distros? It might make sense for Sugarlabs to generate .tar.bz2, .deb, .rpm, .xo and various other format files automatically from git, but that will be in _addition_ to the packages maintained by each (larger) distribution, not replacing it. ** I guess we would need some clear git guidelines for Activity authors to make sure their Activity mainline branch was always at the latest stable release (with new version work happening in branch/s). Would be great, but does not in itself solve the problem of information scattered all over, and - back to my main point - the lack of a homepage to refer to from distributions. Suggestion: Setup an automated script that trawls
Re: [Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
Hi Jonas, On 30 May 2009, at 19:05, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:03:34PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Jonas, On 30 May 2009, at 09:44, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: While updating packages for Debian, I failed to find proper homepages for activities at wiki.sugarlabs.org - and core introduction at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack points to some of the Sucrose activities at wiki.laptop.org. Is that correct? Are official activity homepages at wiki.laptop.org? Are you looking for user oriented pages, or developer pages? This is what I am looking for (taken from Debian Policy §5.6.23 about the Homepage stanza): The URL of the web site for this package, preferably (when applicable) the site from which the original source can be obtained and any additional upstream documentation or information may be found. I am packaging software that was published by Sugarlabs. So for the context of the package that I build for Debian, Sugarlabs is upstream. I am looking for a single URL being the home (i.e. starting point for web browsing) of what Sugarlabs is providing, for each activity or Glucose part. Just to wave another URL option in the air, each project on git.sugarlabs.org can/does link to it's other resources, so for example http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/labyrinth links both to it's current web site and bug tracker component page. The activities.sugarlabs.org Mozilla addons based site is intended to be the user facing site, with wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ activity_name being used for more technical notes activity if needed. Well, I guess I mean eveloper pages, then. activities.s.o seems a dead end for anyone but _your_ users, as those pages seemingly link only to .xo files and homepages of _your_ upstreams (Chat homepage is at OLPC, EToys homepage is at squeakland). Some Debian users arguably are your users too, but administrators of Debian systems are also Debian users and they want everything packaged and officially endorsed (a.k.a. aged for some years ;-) ) by Debian. Activities that were OLPC deployed, generally have their pages still on wiki.laptop.org, though as new (perhaps incompatible with 0.82) releases are made this is slowly migrating over to SO. Ok. So links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Application_Stack should be updated? Well spotted, hadn't seen this page before, I'm tempted to just remove the individual Activity links that are here as it's not a full list and will only get out of date again :-) Are links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities then the right ones? Yes they show all current wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ activity_name pages, but authors only create such a page if they have need to provide advanced/developer/technical/community type information. Or are there no right, but only luck? We (ActivityTeam) are still trying to cat herd the willing and able Activity authors over to SL infrastructure, as a FLOSS, 100% volunteer community, this often feels like slow-motion juggling with water balloons, in zero-gravity, but many 'balloons' are now at least floating in a similar direction :-) *** It will take time. *** The ActivityTeam can short circuit some of this by adopting Activities, but that is not a scalable solution, and prevents the team from getting on with other tasks. Regards, --Gary FWIW: Here are some other structures/locations that Activity developers are asked to update if they want to help try and make packagers lives easier: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/ That's pages for download origin. Makes sense to include too (in Debian packages such URLs are included in the file copyright and inside scripts for automated download and/or tracking newer upstream releases). I wouldn't use such pages as Homepages, however, as they do not contain any introduction, and barely link to anywhere: It's a dead end for anythong but downloading tarballs. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Source_Code Hmm. According to that page, 0.82 is latest stable Sucrose, and most Latest release entries are too old as well. I suggest dropping that column and instead in first column link to the directory containing source tarballs. Perhaps also rename column titles to this: Source | Description | Development repository http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap I suspect this is only relevant as inspiration for alternative distributions. Or is SoaS the recommended upstream source for other distributions?!? Would be great if this (at some point) could be simplified to the point where having a git repository at git.sugarlabs.org was enough for all to work from. I think I've heard vague whispers that there might be some process used (or being worked on) by the Soas distro for
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Testing] Fwd: Testing summary - 30 May 2009: Wellington NZ
On 30.05.2009, at 00:21, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 03:30, Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com wrote: There are 3 bridge applications consuming 1/3 of the cpu each: Bert, is this someone you would be interested in looking at? I think your confusing me with someone else ... I have no stake in the bridge activity. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 01:37:55PM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: I am packaging software that was published by Sugarlabs. So for the context of the package that I build for Debian, Sugarlabs is upstream. I am looking for a single URL being the home (i.e. starting point for web browsing) of what Sugarlabs is providing, for each activity or Glucose part. Activities.sl.o is intentionally designed to decentralize the control of activity development anyone can upload their work to aslo to be distributed. Before becoming 'public' new activities and versions of activities are given a review by the aslo editors. aslo is a distribution tool rather than a developer tool. By that you mean a tool for _you_ to distribute, not a tool for distributors, right? I represent arguably the worlds largest distributor of prepackaged Free Software. For each package that we distribute, we want to advertise its upstream through a single URL, which is then promoted to our users in various ways, currently most prominently as a field in packaging tools like aptitude. All I ask is this: What are your package-specific URLs for us to advertise? How is the issue handled when packaging mozilla addons? Some use addons.m.o (and funnily enough greasemonkey is packaged by a russian guy putting this as its homepage: https://addons.mozilla.org/ru/firefox/addon/748 ) Some do not include a homepage. Some use upstream project site (e.g. http://noscript.net/ ) If I were to package greasemonkey, I would no doubt use http://www.greasespot.net/ as homepage. Not because that's where it is developed, but because that is its home. https://addons.mozilla.org/ru/firefox/addon/748 is just an exhibition booth hosted by the authors of its backend. the reason I raise the question is that I care about Sugar, and I find it sad that I cannot find an obvious home of each piece that it consists of. There are lots of places scattered all over, but no starting point to explore each pice of the puzzle - be it as developer, distributor, user or journalist. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkohjDoACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjEeQCeJKQ5P9FPMhFAV5Jkunsnq7E6 a2UAn004lsIkL1JrAHWg9FtvTyp5a9Na =N1Bi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Official homepages for activities are at laptop.org?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Gary and all others, On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 07:50:49PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 30 May 2009, at 19:05, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I am packaging software that was published by Sugarlabs. So for the context of the package that I build for Debian, Sugarlabs is upstream. I am looking for a single URL being the home (i.e. starting point for web browsing) of what Sugarlabs is providing, for each activity or Glucose part. Just to wave another URL option in the air, each project on git.sugarlabs.org can/does link to it's other resources, so for example http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/labyrinth links both to it's current web site and bug tracker component page. Ah, yes. I knew that one, but forgot to bring it up here. So far I have found the following component-soecific page types: Documentation page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/* User exhibit booth: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/*/sugar/addon/* Development tracker: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/* I would have preferred a page not emphasizing any facet of the Sugar community, but just the package itself. A self-centered page, pointing towards all the others with the real meat on it. ...and I guess what distracted me even further was that I took for granted that the core activities, those in Fructose, were all properly nursed at Sugarlabs. I just picked Chat as my first ever activity to package, and used that now for checking URLs too. And that particular Sucrose activity seemingly still feels more at home at OLPC (also at the git page) :-/ Are links from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities then the right ones? Yes they show all current wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ activity_name pages, but authors only create such a page if they have need to provide advanced/developer/technical/community type information. Ok. Or are there no right, but only luck? We (ActivityTeam) are still trying to cat herd the willing and able Activity authors over to SL infrastructure, as a FLOSS, 100% volunteer community, this often feels like slow-motion juggling with water balloons, in zero-gravity, but many 'balloons' are now at least floating in a similar direction :-) *** It will take time. *** The ActivityTeam can short circuit some of this by adopting Activities, but that is not a scalable solution, and prevents the team from getting on with other tasks. It might help herding if it was more obvious where you are heading :-) Thanks for helping me in understanding. Hopefully this is useful for others too. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkohkrsACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhmWQCggmWv5mA5yoW1ONXP6g4nFN2p 7EIAnR4v9MN/kfoPar6e8S1LB6KyKywc =4EMm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:03:04PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: However, I had to invoke 'force checkout' several times, because of missing .git directories. Interesting. Where exactly? TurtleArt or something else? Four or five times. Unfortunately, I did not make notes. OK. Please file a bug if you encounter this again (I did so for sugar-update-control already). setxkbmap us Yes. It has always worked that way in every form of Sugar+Terminal that I can get running at all, [...] Thanks a lot! While some keys still don't work (e.g. cursor up/down will create a screenshot in my case), most of them do work now. I've posted this workaround on the wiki. [1] [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild#Run_Sugar CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:37:56AM +0200, Bastien wrote: What is the equivalent of the .xession when running Sugar from ./sugar-jhbuild ? The thing closest to being an xsession equivalent is ~/.sugar/debug. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
ah, found the mailing list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/plymouth/ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I understand the plymouth boot animator is specific to Fedora, but that other distros are interested in adapting it. At base our work is just a series of consecutively numbered PNG files Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David Agreed, but we may want to provide some way for the distros to get some acknowledgement. Perhaps some distro-specific patch that can be applied to indicate their contribution, similar to the Fedora Remix embossment on the OLPC splash screen? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Gary - many thanks, I was unaware the assets were publicly available as SVGs, this will be helpful when we set up merchandise (swag) I don't have a vector package handy but for my needs imagemagick (although a raster engine and ill-suited to serious vector manipulation) offers a simple way to convert the raw blobs into transparent-background PNGs on the command line: snip $ convert +antialias -density 300 -background none -resize 44x44 computer-xo.svg computer-xo.png /snip For different colors I'll try editing the SVG blob directly. thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? The logo vector SVG's at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo ...are a good start. All of Sugar's UI icon art work is also in SVG format, good place to have a poke about is: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-artwork/repos/mainline/trees/master/icons/scalable For example, you'd find an XO child icon in device, called computer-xo.svg FWIW, on a Mac here, you need to save an svg (the raw blob) to your local machine and then view it (Quick Look or open again in Browse will do (Browse will let you cmd + to render an svg larger)). For more serious work if you have Illustrator that's ideal, I'm out of date with it but use VectorDesigner for vector work instead; I'm sure Inkscape is fine also if you can suffer poking your eyes out on the sharpened sticks and broken glass they like to refer as a user interface ;-) Regards, --Gary Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if no one else steps forward.
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
On 31 May 2009, at 01:08, Sean DALY wrote: Gary - many thanks, I was unaware the assets were publicly available as SVGs, this will be helpful when we set up merchandise (swag) :-) That reminds me. I almost, but not quite (my poor forward planning beat me) turned up to SugarCamp Paris in a t-shirt swag with the Sugar home favourites ring, the cursor over the XO, and the palette pop-up menu open with my nick clearly showing – how better to get to know everyone's names ;-) Thumbs up for customised swag***, as it costs no more than to print some pre built default image! *** note to self, perhaps at some point build customised Sugar swag generator script back end; user nick and colour being the obvious inputs. Regards, --Gary I don't have a vector package handy but for my needs imagemagick (although a raster engine and ill-suited to serious vector manipulation) offers a simple way to convert the raw blobs into transparent-background PNGs on the command line: snip $ convert +antialias -density 300 -background none -resize 44x44 computer-xo.svg computer-xo.png /snip For different colors I'll try editing the SVG blob directly. thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? The logo vector SVG's at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo ...are a good start. All of Sugar's UI icon art work is also in SVG format, good place to have a poke about is: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-artwork/repos/mainline/trees/master/icons/scalable For example, you'd find an XO child icon in device, called computer- xo.svg FWIW, on a Mac here, you need to save an svg (the raw blob) to your local machine and then view it (Quick Look or open again in Browse will do (Browse will let you cmd + to render an svg larger)). For more serious work if you have Illustrator that's ideal, I'm out of date with it but use VectorDesigner for vector work instead; I'm sure Inkscape is fine also if you can suffer poking your eyes out on the sharpened sticks and broken glass they like to refer as a user interface ;-) Regards, --Gary Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the
Re: [Sugar-devel] Collaboration/Google wave
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Google announced Google Wave today: http://wave.google.com/ [...] It would be very interesting to see how this might benefit Sugar; it seems like the school server might run a local wave-protocol server to allow very interesting collaboration between students. I've written more about Waves and Sugar at: http://cananian.livejournal.com/tag/google+wave It is very interesting, and looks like a fantastic piece of technical work (the back end should hold many wonderful collaboration conflict resolution tricks), but having watched the demo through a couple of times, it certainly fails hands down on the would I try to show my Mum how to use this (and yes she is a fairly active email web user). I don't believe this to be the case at all; I expect initially users experience it as email (the UI is identical to GMail, in broad strokes), and learn additional capabilities gradually. But in any case, Sugar is not designed to be used by your mother. ;-) If Sugar builds on Waves, users will experience it initially as a better Journal (updated in real time, based on stuff that you *and* your friends create) and a better Write/Paint/Chat (improved real time collaboration, version tracking, real time translation, etc). It may not initially be obvious that all of the collaboration features are built on the same foundation, or that you could use Write as a replacement for Chat (indeed, as you already can today). The Google client UI would not be the same as the Sugar client UI, but they have shown multiple client UIs already in the keynote demonstration (including a text-only client), so making something that integrates well with Sugar should not be a problem. Do you know if the protocol could work in a peer to peer local environment, or is it a server only solution? Like XMPP it is a client-server framework, but only in the sense that one machine of a group must be designated as a server; this unique machine assumes the responsibility for ordering edits to result in a canonical document. The server could be a school server in a classroom context, or an individual laptop in the under a tree scenario. You can duplicate a document across servers and federate servers together. Using a client-server framework makes the distributed computation model *much* easier; most of our Sugar collaboration discussions have assumed such a framework -- the trick is to be very flexible about who is the server at a given time. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
