Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem installing and running hulahop on ubuntu 8.10
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 23:37, vijit singhvijitthetopco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tomeu, # /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/xpcom/xpt.py:72: RuntimeWarning: tp_compare didn't return -1 or -2 for exception I think this is due to some python C modules being compiled with a python version and others with a different version. I think this is a runtime warning and not an error, so the exception which is coming in the log is not because of this warning. Still I tried removing python2.4 and running only with python2.5 to ensure only one python version is throughout, if that is what you wanted to say. Still, the same problem occurs. It is a warning, but I don't see why you think it isn't related to the exception. Removing 2.4 is not enough, you need to rebuild hulahop and pyxpcom with only 2.5 installed and try again. Regards, Tomeu I think the error is because it is unable to include xpt.py module, however this is very strange because on line no 16 at http://pastebin.be/20740 , xpt is imported properly, which means the libraries are connected properly, but when we again try to include it in line 24, it gives error. The only difference b/w line 16 and line 24 is that at the latter one it tries to include it from a folder not in the same location as the module while in the former one it was imported from the same folder. Any suggestions ? Anyways, I also tried including the /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/xpcom/ path also before running python by giving the following command- LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/xpcom/ : /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.6 python but still the same problem is occuring. Kindly give your suggestions. All, Is there anyone who has tried running hulahop on ubuntu8.10 or anyother version of ubuntu. Did anyone else faced similar problems? Regards, VIJIT aka sumit Can you check? Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Request Feature Freeze Exception for ticket #916 to allow sugar on non-xo hardware to register with a schoolserver
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 00:00, Bill Bogstadbogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Hamilton Chuahamilton.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bill, If my vote counts, I'll +1 as well. In the XO case, it should work the same as before. In the non-XO, it tries to do something useful rather then nothing. Thanks ! :-) However, I have some concerns/questions: 1. In the non-XO case, why do you replace the files which contain previously generated uuid/sn/backup_url rather then using them as is? I'm not sure I understand. On non-XO hardware, there is no UUID and SN to begin with, both have to be generated when Register is clicked. The backup_url is the registration server or in the case of non-xo hardware the jabber server. I understand that non-XO hardware doesn't come with a UUID and SN. You have defined a way of providing this information (which could be used in the future for any other purpose that requires unique ids in a Sugar environment). The problem I have is that if something has already created those files, you delete the files and start over. Looking forward to multiple possible users of unique ids for Sugar installations, this would appear to be wrong. Instead of deleting the files, use the values that are already there. Under what circumstances would those files already exist if their contents were wrong? If someone moves between locations, it would be nice to be able to register (backup) in multiple places. Your code would have to be changed to allow this. (I'm sure there would be other changes needed as well, but this restriction seems unnecessary to me.) 2. The XO always uses a static schoolserver URL to register while a non-XO will use it's jabber server instead. For minimum impact on current XO usage, I understand this. Going forward, I think this inconsistent behavior will be a problem. I believe there are already deployments using both XO's and SoaS based systems. At a minimum, I would suggest creating a bug ticket for this inconsistency so it can be dealt with correctly in a later release. Yeah I suppose it is a problem in cases where the jabber server and registration server are not the same machine. Yeah, and it's not always 'schoolserver'. The scenario is people staring with SoaS (sticks are cheap) and then acquiring some XOs (hardcoded to schoolserver). A long term issue that I have with how the XS integrates with Sugar is it's desire for total control over the namespace and static use of 'schoolserver' to find things. The Sugar UI has been modified to allow other jabber servers. Why not make that true for all services? Splitting service functions (as you suggest) makes this even more of an issue. I don't think the whole question of how XOs/Sugar find things has really been thought through as well as it should. It feels very brittle to me. I agree that what we have now is a bit primitive, but I would prefer if we started with these simple solutions at first and then improve after getting feedback. AFAIK this patch provides a feature that is being needed by deployments today. We have already some tickets from deployments in the bugtracker about improvements in this area, we need people to give them some thought and propose further improvements. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 00:05, Bill Bogstadbogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu writes: +1 I think the alerts are a pain and an unwelcome interruption of a train of thought. Almost as much of a pain as Windows popups. +1 Or maybe move it at the beginning of an activity session. Please change the default text to something that calls attention to itself. Write Activity or whatever comes up is not going to encourage exploration. It looks like a fixed label rather then something someone can (and probably should) change. I also think that improving the default texts will improve greatly this issue. Anybody wants to tackle it? Maybe for a reduced number of activities at first? Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I also think that improving the default texts will improve greatly this issue. Anybody wants to tackle it? Maybe for a reduced number of activities at first? Ah, but what should it say? How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] splitting large xol
2009/9/4 Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu: The page says: How big is your collection? If the size of your entire collection is between 5-20MB, you're all set. Otherwise, you'll need to make two bundles-- one bundle of 5-20MB for use on individual laptops, and a second bundle of unlimited (but reasonable) size for inclusion on each school's library server. I'm pretty sure this is nonsense... 63mb should be fine. Of course, it will eat 63mb on every XO that it is installed on, but there won't be any issues with the actual installation or usage. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 13:46, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I also think that improving the default texts will improve greatly this issue. Anybody wants to tackle it? Maybe for a reduced number of activities at first? Ah, but what should it say? I think that the best automatic title will be activity-dependent. Activities can already set any title they want in the write_file() method, but should respect the title_set_by_user property. How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? That's interesting, though has its drawbacks. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: Hello, Caroline, I've considerable information to report re: CD's booting SoaS on USB. First, I admit to burning my boot CD wrong; creating the right kind of (.iso) CD makes the process work fine for me. My fairly current desktop system worked fine this way, as well as did an IBM ThinkPad notebook of Pentium II vintage. (I'm by and large a Windows person; no experience with Macs at all.) I did experience an overwhelming problem with the ThinkPad, however; it took a good 20 minutes or more for it to get from opening blue screen to the opening screen of my activity. It even took more than a minute to change to my initial activity screen from its full-screen icon display. And this machine has 1GB of memory. This admittedly anecdotal evidence leads me to question the total feasibility of running SoaS on vintage equipment. Have you or others had similar experience? I was prepared for *some* slowdown, as my XO-1 natively runs noticeably faster than the XO-1 under SoaS Strawberry. The IBM ThinkPad however, is a *complete* no-go. I've another Pentium I/II vintage laptop. It, like my IBM, has only a single USB port - showing that they are from the first generation of USB usage. However, this Hitachi laptop cannot boot from CD. This reminded me that USB ports and bootable CD's came in at about the same time, and do not predate by far bootable USB drives. IOW, bootable CD's are of limited utility for SoaS. However, bootable (3.5) *floppies* would be altogether a different matter. Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as long as you could find a USB card for them. Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive, having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped over the A: drive opening (?!). Yes! we agree. Thanks in advance for your help testing. :) But, to restate my question (and fear): who has had bad/good experience with SoaS in older computers? Have you seen this page? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware We could use some help moving this along and gardening the wiki page. For now I am trying to only collect P4 and better as donations.I'd love to be able to expand that. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Hi, How are things going getting your computers to boot? Do you get this consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take. Thanks Caroline On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from, completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows. Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more than 4 years old or so fit into this category. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org *To:* Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaepi...@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM *Subject:* [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Has anyone seen a Not Responding error when booting with a CD helper? Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them to bugs/FAQs etc. -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB To: cme...@sugarlabs.org New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at LGF. I've never seen this error before. Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow. -- You received this question notification because you are a direct subscriber of the question. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax --
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
On 5 Sep 2009, at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 13:46, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I also think that improving the default texts will improve greatly this issue. Anybody wants to tackle it? Maybe for a reduced number of activities at first? Ah, but what should it say? I think that the best automatic title will be activity-dependent. Activities can already set any title they want in the write_file() method, but should respect the title_set_by_user property. How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? E no thanks!! :-) That's interesting, though has its drawbacks. Drawbacks, are that many will still choose to not edit the name, and Journal will fill with this junk text when ever they don't bother (I usually only edit a name if I think the content is of future use). The auto-title needs to be smarter, more useful, not more annoying ;-) Two good concrete example suggestions I've seen so far: Eben suggested Chat at least (and perhaps some others) could be using the buddy name as part of its default title, Gary's Chat Activity'. This has the added benefit that when shared, the Neighbourhood view will get that more descriptive title (you currently need to edit a title before sharing for the text to show up). Christoph suggested Write could use the first few words from the document as part of the default title so The Lazy Dog Write Activity. This could get quite smart, but a few cases could be enough ie. take first line of text followed by newline as title, limit to N words, if longer than N also add ellipsis. A voyage in space; a course of six lectures 'adapted... Write Activity It's also been suggested that when title names are identical, it would be nice to append a unique number so at least there is some different text in the title. Perhaps a natural language date string could serve as the same device (as the Journal is not providing any way of presenting creation dates and could realy help when searching tuesday august 18 notes). I think each Activity will have different options to get a good name (i.e in Labyrinth I could have it take the text from the primary man node), but se should agree on some general improvements so we can have some consistency in behaviour (i.e. an extended set of recommended title guidelines for activity authors). Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?
Hmm, I wonder if it works with VMWare. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Caroline, On 3 Sep 2009, at 02:40, Caroline Meeks wrote: Other Mac users...are you having this problem to? Does anyone know the root cause? The GPA is very excited to use the built in cameras with their macbooks. I'm pretty sure this worked on my iMac a few months ago. I remember someone fixed the video quality for it. I've had no luck on my MacBookPro, it does recognise the camera and activate it, but just produces a black image. Haven't tested with a very recent SoaS, so I should add that to the list of things to test. I think that you might be talking about two different environments here. The GPA teachers are apparently using VirtualBox which provides an emulated PC hardware environment for many different hardware/OS platforms. I'm guessing that Gary is talking about booting SoaS directly on Apple Intel based hardware. I use VirtualBox under Linux and there is no camera support in the emulated environment. There is support for accessing USB devices from within guest machines. However, I found the following thread on their support forum: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=18695 which seems to indicate that the VB developers are thinking about doing something about fixing their USB code to support USB based cameras, but there was nothing there as of June of this year. Bill Bogstad -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] minutes of today's meeting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 01:57, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 1 Sep 2009, at 19:50, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 20:49, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, we had an excellent discussion in today's meeting, pity we ran out of time. Here you can find the logs and minutes: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Meetings#Tuesday_1st_September_2009_16:00_UTC Oh, and please, if you attended the meeting please check that the minutes reflect what we discussed and complete and correct as you see. Thanks Tomeu, looks good! Just wanted to mention that once the toolbar rework is out of the way, I'll switch back over to bug hunt mode – running through a larger number of activities, clicking all the buttons I can manage, trying as many code paths through the features I can find. Hopefully this won't just be me, and I can tempt a few more folks into leaning on the bits and bytes... Thanks, that will be great. Aleksey is already fixing bugs faster than I can review! Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem rejoining a shared Write
Ola Tomeu, Now a ListTubes[1] call on the existing tube channel will return no tubes in the callback. Why is that? It's especially weird since it WILL return a tube when you fire up another jhbuild/XO and join that session. ListTubes just seems to turn into a 'no-op' when you join on a machine that was already part of the session before. Hi Marc, had any luck with this? I filed a bug against gabble, which is the part that seems broken. Without that fixed, I can't do anything. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23678 Cheers, Marc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11
Very cool. What is the process for getting them translated into other languages? On A.sl.o how do we tell teachers what languages an activity is available in? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Thanks, They look great. david On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiardgodi...@gmail.com wrote: Caroline, i have uploaded rthe activities: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4212 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4213 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4214 Gonzalo On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: ===In the community=== 3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes three new activities: [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Domino/6/Domino.xo], a game where the pieces may have different mathematical operations or concepts which need to match; [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Ecomundo.xo], an ecosystem in which there is grass, rabbits and foxes that are born, eat, reproduce and die; and [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Elements/2/Elements.xo], a proof-pof-concept of a Javascript activity. Will these be going onto activities.sugarlabs.org? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
On 5 Sep 2009, at 18:24, Eben Eliason wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 5 Sep 2009, at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 13:46, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I also think that improving the default texts will improve greatly this issue. Anybody wants to tackle it? Maybe for a reduced number of activities at first? Ah, but what should it say? I think that the best automatic title will be activity-dependent. Definitely. Activities can already set any title they want in the write_file() method, but should respect the title_set_by_user property. How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? E no thanks!! :-) That's interesting, though has its drawbacks. Drawbacks, are that many will still choose to not edit the name, and Journal will fill with this junk text when ever they don't bother (I usually only edit a name if I think the content is of future use). The auto-title needs to be smarter, more useful, not more annoying ;-) Agreed. Two good concrete example suggestions I've seen so far: Eben suggested Chat at least (and perhaps some others) could be using the buddy name as part of its default title, Gary's Chat Activity'. This has the added benefit that when shared, the Neighbourhood view will get that more descriptive title (you currently need to edit a title before sharing for the text to show up). Christoph suggested Write could use the first few words from the document as part of the default title so The Lazy Dog Write Activity. This could get quite smart, but a few cases could be enough ie. take first line of text followed by newline as title, limit to N words, if longer than N also add ellipsis. A voyage in space; a course of six lectures 'adapted... Write Activity It's also been suggested that when title names are identical, it would be nice to append a unique number so at least there is some different Yes, I think this would be really good. text in the title. Perhaps a natural language date string could serve as the same device (as the Journal is not providing any way of presenting creation dates and could realy help when searching tuesday august 18 notes). I can see some utility there, but it could also be rather confusing to have multiple dates exposed for every entry in the Journal. I'd lean toward a simpler and shorter counting mechanism. OK, fair point (though since day one I've wished creation dates were explicitly kept, knowing when you started something is as or more important than when you last opened it). I think each Activity will have different options to get a good name (i.e in Labyrinth I could have it take the text from the primary man node), but se should agree on some general improvements so we can have some consistency in behaviour (i.e. an extended set of recommended title guidelines for activity authors). Would it be easier for activities to provide a method like get_default_title() that the shell calls when appropriate? If we had this, then activities wouldn't have to deal with checking whether or not the user has already titled something, minimizing effort and possible error, and we could also have the shell check the DS for same-name entries and append a unique identifier itself, again ensuring consistency and removing work from the activity. The shell would only call this function once when an activity is first closed (when the naming alert currently appears), and then only when the title hasn't yet been set by the user. Yes it would be easier, and something to think about for 0.88, but the 0.86 train has left the station, so it is perhaps wiser to try this for a few Activities and then see what sticks enough to pickup in a future cycle. Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Remove the naming alert in 0.86
Hi Benjamin, On 5 Sep 2009, at 18:27, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Gary C Martin wrote: How about Change this title to a description of this Write Document!? Drawbacks, are that many will still choose to not edit the name, and Journal will fill with this junk text when ever they don't bother (I usually only edit a name if I think the content is of future use). If the content is not of future use, why are we keeping it around at all? I didn't say the content was of no future use, just at the time of creation I might not be sure ;-) It provides a useful history of things you've done for review/modification/re-use. The auto-title needs to be smarter, more useful, not more annoying ;-) Your smart auto-title sounds more like a preview than a title. I think having faster visibility of previews in the Journal is a great idea... and might dodge this problem nicely. That problem is also having much effort put into it try and improve. The big one would have been the thumbs Journal view, but that has now slipped from 0.86 due to time constraints :-( Smarter auto-titles are I think a lower hanging fruit, and one that can be worked on partly out of the pressure of the core release cycle. Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Caroline Meekscme...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hmm, I wonder if it works with VMWare. A distinct possibility based on the following from: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/releasenotes_ws5.html . USB enhancements provide support for a new class of devices, including webcams, microphones, and speakers. Workstation 5 offers support for isochronous USB input devices such as webcams and microphones and for output devices such as speakers. You can now use your webcam or work with multitrack audio, all within a guest operating system. .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem installing and running hulahop on ubuntu 8.10
Hello Tomeu, It is a warning, but I don't see why you think it isn't related to the exception. I might be missing some point or might be unable to interpret this warning properly. Removing 2.4 is not enough, you need to rebuild hulahop and pyxpcom with only 2.5 installed and try again. I tried doing it, I removed python2.4 , rebuild hulahop and pyxpcom, but still I am getting the same error. Is any other thing also required to be done? Regards, VIJIT aka sumit Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?
Yes It does, partially; VMPlayer/Installed on Ubuntu9.04/ playing Fedora release 11(Leonidas) Sugar_0.84.2 VM appliance made with VMworstation 6.5.2 *Record-64.xo (downloaded from Activities in browse) takes pictures on EeePC1000HE internal camera (camera must be turned on in F2 Netbook bios setting) pictures saved to journal resume with Image viewer browse (will not load in e-toys). Video and Audio functions do not work and hang the application. stop works however... Tom Gilliard satellit Bill Bogstad wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Caroline Meekscme...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hmm, I wonder if it works with VMWare. A distinct possibility based on the following from: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/releasenotes_ws5.html . USB enhancements provide support for a new class of devices, including webcams, microphones, and speakers. Workstation 5 offers support for isochronous USB input devices such as webcams and microphones and for output devices such as speakers. You can now use your webcam or work with multitrack audio, all within a guest operating system. .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 01:51:23PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Very cool. What is the process for getting them translated into other languages? On A.sl.o how do we tell teachers what languages an activity is available in? For now, there is no way to show on ASLO what languages support activity -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ClassActs] Table of Contents Whiteboarding Discussion
Hi all, Tomorrow, Sunday September 6, we'll be kicking off the OLPC Class Acts book sprint at the *Arlington Career Centerhttp://www.careercenter.arlington.k12.va.us/ContactUs/Contact_Us.htm * in Arlington, Virginia. During this time, we hope to establish a working Table of Contents for the book, BACKGROUND: Class Acts is the tentative title for our planned volunteer-written guide to deploying Sugar and OLPC XO-1s written for technically-strong teachers with more vivid photographs and illustrations than anything our community has yet produced. We'll be producing the book wiki-style, and the result will be released under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. WHEN: Sunday Sept 6 from 3PM-6PM Eastern Daylight Time (UTC-4) WHERE: 816 S. Walter Reed Drive, Arlington, Virginia (Google Maphttp://maps.google.com/maps?q=816+S+Walter+Reed+Dr,+Arlington,+VA+22204ie=UTF8split=0gl=usei=amWiSu2LGdKL8Qaj7aXfDwt=hz=16iwloc=A ) WHO: Anybody who wants to show up! (but please add your name to the Guest Listhttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Class_Acts#Likely_Attendees_.28identify_topic_you_want_to_help_with.21.29 ) We'll be directly across the hall from the main entrance, which is by the parking lot. If you're not able to make it in person, we'll be hanging out at #olpc-help on irc.freenode.net (web chat http://en.forum.laptop.org/chat/). -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] icons for paragraph toolbar
On 4 Sep 2009, at 17:55, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com
wrote:
Hi Walter,
If I focus on generating need icons (and some order suggestions)
would you
pick up patching the Write toolbars? I can then move onto other
icons for
Simon (and my own Labyrinth/Physics/Moon).
Here's a first pass at the toolbar to get an idea of icons needed.
The HIG
has space for 14 icons max, so things are pretty tight here. I
would like to
move 'Insert image' out of 'Table' and onto the primary toolbar,
but that
put's it perhaps too close to the 'Stop' button (I'd like to leave
a 1x icon
gap if possible):
[Activity]
Title input
{Share palette}
{Export palette}
Keep
[Edit]
Copy
Paste
Undo
Redo
[View]
Zoom in
Zoom out
(Zoom combo box)
(Page combo box)
Search input box -- should have string Search:
prefixing
the input box
Find previous
Find next
[Paragraph style]
Heading 1 -- need icon
Heading 2 -- need icon
Heading 3 -- need icon
Heading 4 -- need icon
Block text -- need icon
Plain Text -- need icon
Left justify
Centre justify
Right justify
Fill justify
[List style]-- need icon
Normal
Bullet list
Dashed list
Numbered list
Lower case list
Upper case list
[Font style]
(Font list menu)
(Font size menu)
[Table] -- need better icon
{Add table palette} -- need better icon
Add row -- need better icon
Remove row -- need better icon
Add column -- need better icon
Remove column -- need better icon
Insert Image-- have a better icon (see Labyrinth)
Bold
Italic
Underline
{Colour picker palette}
...
...
Stop
Seem OK? I can work on these a little tonight, but also tomorrow.
Looks pretty good to me.
Fab.
I think that the find controls belong on the
edit toolbar, though.
Sure, seems a fair change to me :-)
Have some of the icons ready, will send out an email later tonight
once I've hit a few more. Note that some of these icons used are from
sugar-artwork so will need committed there.
Regards,
--Gary
P.S. Bringing this thread on to list (started out as off list email
chit chat) so folks are not left out the loop.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?/// Bug #1277 filed
Bug Filed: Tom Gilliard satellit #1277 (record -64.xo Takes Pictures but does not record Video or Audio on EeePC1000HE in VMPlayer Appliance) Thomas C Gilliard wrote: Yes It does, partially; VMPlayer/Installed on Ubuntu9.04/ playing Fedora release 11(Leonidas) Sugar_0.84.2 VM appliance made with VMworstation 6.5.2 *Record-64.xo (downloaded from Activities in browse) takes pictures on EeePC1000HE internal camera (camera must be turned on in F2 Netbook bios setting) pictures saved to journal resume with Image viewer browse (will not load in e-toys). Video and Audio functions do not work and hang the application. stop works however... Tom Gilliard satellit Bill Bogstad wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Caroline Meekscme...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hmm, I wonder if it works with VMWare. A distinct possibility based on the following from: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/releasenotes_ws5.html . USB enhancements provide support for a new class of devices, including webcams, microphones, and speakers. Workstation 5 offers support for isochronous USB input devices such as webcams and microphones and for output devices such as speakers. You can now use your webcam or work with multitrack audio, all within a guest operating system. .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] updates and testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD
I ran through all of the basic functions of SocialCalc, including every icon on every tab. I have tested some but not all of the 109 functions provided, with good results so far. Although there are functions I could wish for, the only real deficiency I have found is in the documentation. I have created a page for elements of Sugar that children are not likely to discover on their own, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_undiscoverable. I recommend it to developers who want to think about whether more of Sugar can be made discoverable, or whether we need to write lesson plans for the features that cannot be made obvious to the novice. I will put in a section for SocialCalc. These are not bugs in the sense of incorrect behavior or missing explanations, so I omit them here. Here is a summary of the other issues I have encountered. o The database functions are severely underdocumented. What database? What are databaserange, fieldname, criteriarange? o Where does Paste Formats get its formats from? o What does Swap Colors do? o The financial and statistical function definitions in the Help might be clear to one who uses other spreadsheets a lot, but certainly are not to a beginner. o More explanation is needed on angles in degrees and radians. o I understand Move From and Move Paste, but not Move Insert. o I see how to set names, but not what to use them for or how. o I don't see the Sheet setting control on the Format tab that the Help refers to. o I found the OK and Sort... buttons on the Sort tab confusing. It has since become clear to me. Perhaps OK should be renamed Set Range. Not bad for a beta. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Manusheel Guptam...@laptop.org wrote: Dear community members, We are preparing for the next release of SocialCalc on Sugar. Localization infrastructure, canonicalization of the save format and collaboration will be the key features available in the next release. We are also looking forward to develop interoperability between SocialCalc format and a number of other spreadsheet formats like .wk3/.wk4/csv/excel/open office spreadsheet. We have recently received a number of requests on developing interoperability between SocialCalc and .wk3/.wk4 format, which has been a challenging problem to work on. Hope to get this feature ready before the next release. Lately, I have been testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD, and have run into issues. I can't seem to get SocialCalc to start. I fired up the Sugar LiveCD, and opened up the USB icon in my journal. I can see the file SocialCalc.xo on my USB stick. When I click on it, I get a start button, but then nothing happens. Below is a gears image, which starts something that looks like a developer interface. Not sure, where I have been going wrong. Any help on this issue is highly appreciated. Please visit the SocialCalc on Sugar page at http://seeta.in/j/products-and-services/socialcalc-on-sugar.html. The activity is available for download both from the SEETA website (http://seeta.in) and from activities.sugarlabs.org. If you have any questions, or would like to add suggestions/comments/feature requests, please do so here. Thank you for your continued support. Regards, Manu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11
Rigth now the activities does not support i18n. But i am working in this. Gonzalo On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: Very cool. What is the process for getting them translated into other languages? On A.sl.o how do we tell teachers what languages an activity is available in? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Thanks, They look great. david On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiardgodi...@gmail.com wrote: Caroline, i have uploaded rthe activities: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4212 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4213 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4214 Gonzalo On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: ===In the community=== 3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes three new activities: [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Domino/6/Domino.xo], a game where the pieces may have different mathematical operations or concepts which need to match; [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Ecomundo.xo], an ecosystem in which there is grass, rabbits and foxes that are born, eat, reproduce and die; and [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Elements/2/Elements.xo], a proof-pof-concept of a Javascript activity. Will these be going onto activities.sugarlabs.org? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Gonzalo Odiard Responsable de Desarrollo Sistemas Australes ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] updates and testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dan Bricklind...@bricklin.com wrote: Edward, Thanks for doing the testing. Here are some answers to some of the questions you asked or things you found undocumented. Thanks. I believe that you are right in your comments below, that the Open Document spec, manuals for other software, and your video will enable us to create an excellent manual at FLOSSManuals.net. Would you like to join us when we do the Book Sprint? I am thinking about what we might add to the Help in SocialCalc, allowing for the tradeoff between space and completeness. Adding links to existing documentation will provide a sufficient backstop, but I think that there are several places where just a few words will make all the difference for beginning SocialCalc users, particularly for harried teachers. I don't want to make them learn too much themselves, or to have to tell children to rely too much on external resources. I'm sure that we can find a suitable balance on these questions. The database functions, like all of the functions, are pretty much the same as the functions by the same name in Excel and many other spreadsheets (many going back to Lotus 1-2-3 and even sometimes VisiCalc). They are defined in the Open Document Format specification. The same is true of all of the financial functions. (There used to be an Open Formula specification, which I think got moved into Open Document Format. I coded the functions looking to the Open Formula specification.) The built-in SocialCalc doc does not provide more than the simple explanation for all functions to save space and since they are well documented with other spreadsheets. Of course, our target users (students and teachers) do not have local access to this other software. But we can put it into a manual. Most of the SocialCalc documentation is about what is special to SocialCalc. Also, the code itself documents what it does, including, with the financial functions, a reference to the Wikipedia entry that helped in their specification. I assumed that others can read that to produce appropriate written documentation. As a mathematician and programmer, I can, if necessary. (I think there is a reported issue that SocialCalc's IF function only takes the 3 argument form, not the 2 argument form. It also evaluated all arguments unlike many other IF functions.) The toolbar buttons, including the two types of move and swap colors, as well as the sheet settings, names, and more are explained in a video I created. The 54 minute Flash video, created with Camtasia, goes over many of the features of the main SocialCalc engine that the Sugar version of SocialCalc is built upon. (For example, that version does not have the Sugar-specific graphing tab.) You can view the video at: http://www.peapodcast.com/sgi/socialtext/sctraining1/ Perfect. I'll report on that soon. Note that the value format specification language, used to define numeric formatting, is similar to that used in most spreadsheets, including Excel. Right. I didn't have any trouble with it. You can learn much of it by looking at the samples already built into the product (set a format and the choose Custom to see the definition). This can be used when customizing the product for other locales to, for example, have different currency symbols and placement. Custom formats are demonstrated in the video. I tried it in Cyrillic briefly without problems, but I cannot type other currency symbols such as € or £ within Sugar. I will have to do much more language and locale testing. Thanks again for taking time to work with SocialCalc so we can help provide this functionality around the world through this platform. -DanB Edward Cherlin wrote: I ran through all of the basic functions of SocialCalc, including every icon on every tab. I have tested some but not all of the 109 functions provided, with good results so far. Although there are functions I could wish for, the only real deficiency I have found is in the documentation. I have created a page for elements of Sugar that children are not likely to discover on their own, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_undiscoverable. I recommend it to developers who want to think about whether more of Sugar can be made discoverable, or whether we need to write lesson plans for the features that cannot be made obvious to the novice. I will put in a section for SocialCalc. These are not bugs in the sense of incorrect behavior or missing explanations, so I omit them here. Here is a summary of the other issues I have encountered. o The database functions are severely underdocumented. What database? What are databaserange, fieldname, criteriarange? o Where does Paste Formats get its formats from? o What does Swap Colors do? o The financial and statistical function definitions in the Help might be clear to one who uses other spreadsheets a lot, but certainly are not to a beginner. o More explanation
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-09-03
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: === Sugar Digest === 1. The car allowance rebate system (CARS), more commonly known as the “Cash for Clunkers” program, was used to bail out the US auto industry. People who had purchased gas guzzlers were rewarded with $4500 towards the purchase of a more fuel-efficient car. Of course there was no subsidy for those of us who commute by bicycle—I could use some new panniers. Maybe it is time to bail out the US education industry. When will the US government announce the Sugar for Clunkers? It would work a bit differently than the car program in that with Sugar, there is no need to subsidize the purchase of replacement hardware—we'll have to find another program to bail out the computer industry. Simply replace the clunker software that most schools are using—Windows 2000 or Windows XP—with Sugar. Sugar is, of course, free—as in speech and as in beer. Any government subsidy could go towards teacher workshops. “Yes we can!” Education Secretary Arne Duncan has been going on about the $90 billion for education in the stimulus bill. Have you looked? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
