Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse fail to access maps.google.com
Excerpts from James Cameron's message of Wed Nov 17 01:36:05 +0100 2010: The activity is failing while executing the javascript on the web page. I've attached the log to a new ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2492 As explained on the ticket, the bug is in some other component (probably python-xpcom), not Browse. I'm leaving the ticket open because it affects Browse pretty badly (risk of data loss), but I'm afraid we can't do anything about it on the Browse side. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
Hello again, (At this point I guess I have like 3 threads about this topic, so I better stick to one, Sorry if there was any confusion) Any ways, last night Gary and I had a very productive chat about the Look and Feel of this feature. In my first proposal [1], the notification icons (w/ messages palettes) would appear at each corner depending on the nature of the message (activities, users or devices). But could not find a good mechanism to place/represent the historical registry. As you can see at [2] I just placed a new HTray on the bottom frame bar, but apparently this would: * Create much spam. * Mix the different messages types again. So, last night, we discussed how we could keep the messages historical with out generating much spam and without mixing the notifications types. Gary proposed an special icon on each corner with a palette that would contain the last N (N=5) messages notifications [3]. So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of other members, So please everyone take a look at [3] and give us some feedback before my implementation gets to that point. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Messages_Notification 2. http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tch/images/Screenshot-19.png 3. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, [snip] So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of other members, So please everyone take a look at [3] and give us some feedback before my implementation gets to that point. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Messages_Notification 2. http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tch/images/Screenshot-19.png 3. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png This is visually consistent with our other use of menus. Presumably the most recent message will pop up first and the rest of the list will appear after a delay? Any reason not to have a single Journal entry that accumulates all the messages over time so that even if you clear the list, you have a record? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, [snip] So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of other members, So please everyone take a look at [3] and give us some feedback before my implementation gets to that point. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Messages_Notification 2. http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tch/images/Screenshot-19.pnghttp://people.sugarlabs.org/%7Etch/images/Screenshot-19.png 3. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png This is visually consistent with our other use of menus. Presumably the most recent message will pop up first and the rest of the list will appear after a delay? Yes, also the notification protocol specifications defines an urgency level that could modify the appearing order. Any reason not to have a single Journal entry that accumulates all the messages over time so that even if you clear the list, you have a record? +1, even though I don't see the point of saving _all_ the messages notifications, it would be great to have that option for each notification individually (the user should save it explicitly if he finds it useful). It would make sense for many scenarios. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
* On top of ui changes, would it also make sense to play some 'notification' sounds as well? The HIG doesn't say anything about sounds AFAIK * Or flashing an icon or doing 'something' with the UI exactly when the notification occurs. * Also, what about conditionally (based on importance, urgency) displaying un-addressed notifications (or bringing up the frame) as soon as sugar UI boots up. Your screenshot [1] looks very good to me. How about adding another button Display next 5 notations next to the Clear one. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, [snip] So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of other members, So please everyone take a look at [3] and give us some feedback before my implementation gets to that point. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Messages_Notification 2. http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tch/images/Screenshot-19.png 3. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png This is visually consistent with our other use of menus. Presumably the most recent message will pop up first and the rest of the list will appear after a delay? Yes, also the notification protocol specifications defines an urgency level that could modify the appearing order. Any reason not to have a single Journal entry that accumulates all the messages over time so that even if you clear the list, you have a record? +1, even though I don't see the point of saving _all_ the messages notifications, it would be great to have that option for each notification individually (the user should save it explicitly if he finds it useful). It would make sense for many scenarios. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Anish ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Problem with Read activity and screen rotate feature
We want to read books using the rotate screen capability of XO. We have a small problem, if we open a book (pdf, epub) and we rotate the screen, the game pad buttons have the same use that the screen in a normal position, I mean that user have to click in the left game pad button (the down button in horizontal position) to go to the next page. I think that all the game pad buttons have to be adapted according the screen position. We want to know how can we catch the rotate screen event, and be sure that this change in Read behaviour activity has sense. Regards, Daniel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
Maybe we could group all the notifications that are repeated. Journal is Full... (X 3) Other Warning.. Other Warning (X2). Could be useful show the date of the problem in the case of historical warnings. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote: * On top of ui changes, would it also make sense to play some 'notification' sounds as well? The HIG doesn't say anything about sounds AFAIK * Or flashing an icon or doing 'something' with the UI exactly when the notification occurs. * Also, what about conditionally (based on importance, urgency) displaying un-addressed notifications (or bringing up the frame) as soon as sugar UI boots up. Your screenshot [1] looks very good to me. How about adding another button Display next 5 notations next to the Clear one. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, [snip] So far, I think this is the best idea we got :), but I guess it is important to have the approval of other members, So please everyone take a look at [3] and give us some feedback before my implementation gets to that point. 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Messages_Notification 2. http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tch/images/Screenshot-19.pnghttp://people.sugarlabs.org/%7Etch/images/Screenshot-19.png 3. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Corner_notification_message_only_history.png This is visually consistent with our other use of menus. Presumably the most recent message will pop up first and the rest of the list will appear after a delay? Yes, also the notification protocol specifications defines an urgency level that could modify the appearing order. Any reason not to have a single Journal entry that accumulates all the messages over time so that even if you clear the list, you have a record? +1, even though I don't see the point of saving _all_ the messages notifications, it would be great to have that option for each notification individually (the user should save it explicitly if he finds it useful). It would make sense for many scenarios. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Anish ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem with Read activity and screen rotate feature
What image are you using? What version of olpc-kbdshim? Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: We want to read books using the rotate screen capability of XO. We have a small problem, if we open a book (pdf, epub) and we rotate the screen, the game pad buttons have the same use that the screen in a normal position, I mean that user have to click in the left game pad button (the down button in horizontal position) to go to the next page. I think that all the game pad buttons have to be adapted according the screen position. We want to know how can we catch the rotate screen event, and be sure that this change in Read behaviour activity has sense. Regards, Daniel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem with Read activity and screen rotate feature
On 11/17/2010 05:37 PM, Daniel Castelo wrote: We want to read books using the rotate screen capability of XO. We have a small problem, if we open a book (pdf, epub) and we rotate the screen, the game pad buttons have the same use that the screen in a normal position, I mean that user have to click in the left game pad button (the down button in horizontal position) to go to the next page. I think that all the game pad buttons have to be adapted according the screen position. We want to know how can we catch the rotate screen event, and be sure that this change in Read behaviour activity has sense. Regards, Daniel Hi Daniel, this has been fixed in the recent OLPC builds [1]. The ticket is #10380 [2]. Please let us know if that works for you now. Regards, Simon [1] http://build.laptop.org/10.1.3/ [2] http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10380 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: * Why the user should start an activity to know what is happening? Why/when does the user want to know what's happening? Users are busy doing something interesting... We should interrupt/hassle the user never. Or extremely seldom. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
Just to clarify, this feature is not intended to replace the log. (apparently some people got the wrong idea) It is needed in many scenarios, as a general mechanism to communicate important events to the user, that until now (and already) we have been re-inventing the wheel every time we wanted to show a message abusing from Alerts here and there. (which, in my opinion is way more interruptive). Saludos :) On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: * Why the user should start an activity to know what is happening? Why/when does the user want to know what's happening? Users are busy doing something interesting... We should interrupt/hassle the user never. Or extremely seldom. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote: * Why the user should start an activity to know what is happening? Why/when does the user want to know what's happening? Users are busy doing something interesting... We should interrupt/hassle the user never. Or extremely seldom. MartinL I think this is one of the times where we need to agree to disagree. There is a very good chance that this patch set will never make it into Sugar.Main. What you are saying is 100% true from an end users point of view. This patch has a place in Dextrose. Dextrose is looking at the question, How can we provide support staff the necessary information to effectively fix and/or report problems to a higher level of service and support? A pretty typical 'support' staff consists of: Users - Students who fix their own problems. Teachers - Usually have very limited time and technical training - In general, teachers prefer to 'work around' known bug rather than figure out how to report them. Teachers trainers - It is quite common for deployments to have teacher trainers to improve teaching efficacy. In general, teacher trainers are also time constrained because they focus on the educational, rather than technical, implementation issues. Level I Service and Support - It is becoming common for established deployments to outsource level I service and Support to local businesses. This group is also constrained. They often work remotely. There is travel time required to get to a school or class room. Their required skill sets are often very broad; hardware, software, networking. And so it goes until an issue is fixed or is escalated until it reaches the level of someone on sugar-devel. Everyone on sugar-devel is time constrained. They are pull in a hundred direction at any given time. This patch will introduce a cost of user disruption, but hopefully will provide the benefit of increased efficacy of existing service and support channels. This place has a place but that place is probably not sugar.main. david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: This patch has a place in Dextrose. Dextrose is looking at the question, How can we provide support staff the necessary information to effectively fix and/or report problems to a higher level of service and support? Let's not jump to conclusions. Can this be limited to... when the user _wants_ it? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem with Read activity and screen rotate feature
Thanks for the information! I've tested the build 351. I realize that the Directional Pad change the Behaviour when the screen rotate. Great! However, in the Read Activity the Directional Pad is useful for go forward line per line, but if you want to change the page you have to use the Game Buttons. So, for Read Activity will be useful adapt the Game Buttons too. What do you think? On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 11/17/2010 05:37 PM, Daniel Castelo wrote: We want to read books using the rotate screen capability of XO. We have a small problem, if we open a book (pdf, epub) and we rotate the screen, the game pad buttons have the same use that the screen in a normal position, I mean that user have to click in the left game pad button (the down button in horizontal position) to go to the next page. I think that all the game pad buttons have to be adapted according the screen position. We want to know how can we catch the rotate screen event, and be sure that this change in Read behaviour activity has sense. Regards, Daniel Hi Daniel, this has been fixed in the recent OLPC builds [1]. The ticket is #10380 [2]. Please let us know if that works for you now. Regards, Simon [1] http://build.laptop.org/10.1.3/ [2] http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10380 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem with Read activity and screen rotate feature
It was a design decision (at least initially) to not rotate the Game Buttons, as users might associate their symbols (square, circle, etc.) to mean certain things. If there is a compelling reason to do this perhaps it should be revisited. I admit that this does not work well for all activities. Another activity which gets confused by this is Maze, which can use the directional pad and game buttons to add additional players on each XO using/sharing the activity. On 11/17/10 13:29, Daniel Castelo wrote: Thanks for the information! I've tested the build 351. I realize that the Directional Pad change the Behaviour when the screen rotate. Great! However, in the Read Activity the Directional Pad is useful for go forward line per line, but if you want to change the page you have to use the Game Buttons. So, for Read Activity will be useful adapt the Game Buttons too. What do you think? On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de mailto:si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 11/17/2010 05:37 PM, Daniel Castelo wrote: We want to read books using the rotate screen capability of XO. We have a small problem, if we open a book (pdf, epub) and we rotate the screen, the game pad buttons have the same use that the screen in a normal position, I mean that user have to click in the left game pad button (the down button in horizontal position) to go to the next page. I think that all the game pad buttons have to be adapted according the screen position. We want to know how can we catch the rotate screen event, and be sure that this change in Read behaviour activity has sense. Regards, Daniel Hi Daniel, this has been fixed in the recent OLPC builds [1]. The ticket is #10380 [2]. Please let us know if that works for you now. Regards, Simon [1] http://build.laptop.org/10.1.3/ [2] http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10380 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy mailto:dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem with Read activity and screen rotate feature
In the Read activity in the build 353, the game key X and O keys do PageUp Page Down and the square and and check keys do zoom in / out. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Castelo dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Thanks for the information! I've tested the build 351. I realize that the Directional Pad change the Behaviour when the screen rotate. Great! However, in the Read Activity the Directional Pad is useful for go forward line per line, but if you want to change the page you have to use the Game Buttons. So, for Read Activity will be useful adapt the Game Buttons too. What do you think? On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 11/17/2010 05:37 PM, Daniel Castelo wrote: We want to read books using the rotate screen capability of XO. We have a small problem, if we open a book (pdf, epub) and we rotate the screen, the game pad buttons have the same use that the screen in a normal position, I mean that user have to click in the left game pad button (the down button in horizontal position) to go to the next page. I think that all the game pad buttons have to be adapted according the screen position. We want to know how can we catch the rotate screen event, and be sure that this change in Read behaviour activity has sense. Regards, Daniel Hi Daniel, this has been fixed in the recent OLPC builds [1]. The ticket is #10380 [2]. Please let us know if that works for you now. Regards, Simon [1] http://build.laptop.org/10.1.3/ [2] http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10380 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ing. Daniel Castelo Plan Ceibal - Área Técnica Avda. Italia 6201 Montevideo - Uruguay. Tel.: 2 601 57 73 Interno 2228 E-mail : dcast...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] access to the FTP
-- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Cerdas Mendez daniel.cer...@fod.ac.cr Date: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM Subject: Omar Dengo Foundation Costa Rica To: wal...@sugarlabs.org wal...@sugarlabs.org Dear Walter, It’s a pleasure to write you again, I’m Daniel Cerdas Mendez and I work for Omar Dengo Foundation in San Jose, Costa Rica. We are developing a program with several OLPC. To improve our project with need to implement a FTP-Server with our XO, we are looking for activity that connect the OLPC with our FTP-Server. Besides through the browser we can access to the FTP, but we can’t upload files. The server is install in Windows Server 2008 R2 and the network is an open-wireless. We would appreciate all your help. Thanks, -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org image001.jpgattachment: Daniel Cerdas Mendez.vcf___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2010-11-17
==Sugar Digest== 1. The Oversight Board election is underway. We have a very strong candidate list that spans the breadth of the community. You should have received a ballot by email. Please vote before 29 November. If you registered to vote and for some reason you did not receive a ballot, please let me know. 2. Tony Forster continues to add to the Using Turtle Art with Sensors [[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/TurtleArt/Using_Turtle_Art_Sensors]] page in the wiki. Lots of great project ideas, ranging from making graphs of various data to measuring water salinity to building a carbon microphone. Check it out. 3. Alex Khitrik [[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Alex Khitrik]] is our new volunteer finance administrator volunteer. Alex has a passion for transparency; as a first task, he will be making available all of our financial data in the wiki. ===In the community=== 4. Congratulations to Tabatha Roder and the NZ Testing Team who were honored by the NZ Open Source Awards 2010. Tabatha and the Saturday morning testers in Wellington and Auckland were recognized for their contributions to Free Software in NZ. 5. We have had a flurry of new activities being contributed by deployments. Ceibal Jam in Uruguay posted a number of their wonderful activities on ASLO; Yader Velásquez, a volunteer from Nicaragua posted a cool calendar activity (See [http://yadervblog.drupalgardens.com/content/calendario-2-agendacalendar-sugar-activity-xo-and-fedora]); and a 12-year-old student from Uruguay has posted two new activities: an image viewer and a Python development environment. Meanwhile, ASLO reports over 4.25 million downloads. 6. DIGITAL CITIZENSHIP, an international forum on development and social inclusion through the use of ICT in Uruguay will be held on 29th and 30th November 2010 at the Uruguayan Laboratory of Technology (LATU) in Montevideo, Uruguay. ===Tech Talk=== 7. Aleksey Lim, Bernie Innocenti, et al. have completed the upgrade to the Sugar Gitorious server. Please note that the IP address for git.sugarlabs.org has changed to 18.85.44.120. And it has a new public SSH key: 4f:5e:5c:7f:ca:94:49:9d:2e:77:85:86:7c:de:56:f1 You will have to remove line with substring git.sugarlabs.org from your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file and then reconnect to git.sugarlabs.org in order to push changes to the server. (If you have trouble, check to see if ssh-keygen -F git.sugarlabs.org -l matches the key above.) ===Sugar Labs=== Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on the IAEP mailing list. 2010 November 6th – 12th (36 emails) [http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:2010-Nov-6-12-som.jpg] Visit our planet [http://planet.sugarlabs.org] for more updates about Sugar and Sugar deployments. -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
Change the want for need and we have: When there is something they _need_ to know And that is exactly the same reason why we are already using the Icon notifications and the same reason why we are already using Alert widgets all over sugar (outside activities), and there are still more cases that we don't do because we simply don't have this feature fully implemented yet. That's all i got. Abrazos, :) On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: This patch has a place in Dextrose. Dextrose is looking at the question, How can we provide support staff the necessary information to effectively fix and/or report problems to a higher level of service and support? Let's not jump to conclusions. Can this be limited to... when the user _wants_ it? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse fail to access maps.google.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:59:12AM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: As explained on the ticket, the bug is in some other component (probably python-xpcom), not Browse. I'm leaving the ticket open because it affects Browse pretty badly (risk of data loss), Session data loss, I presume? Not a biggy, in my opinion. but I'm afraid we can't do anything about it on the Browse side. I agree, short of rejecting that URL or adding a checkpoint and segmentation fault handler that re-execs, that Sugar can't handle this in Browse. The origin of the failure should be tracked down and fixed though. Is that something you'd like to do, Esteban? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] access to the FTP
/usr/bin/ftp is included in OLPC OS 10.1.2 and can be used, at a pinch, in Terminal. It can be scripted. If connectivity with Journal is required, there is greater complexity, because Journal does not provide a filesystem view expected by /usr/bin/ftp. copy-from-journal might then be needed. An alternative might be HTTP based file upload using PHP or other web server scripting environments. The Browse activity then offers a Browse... button which opens an object chooser offering to upload from Journal. There's also curlftpfs package if you would like to be able to access an ftp server from command line as if it is a filesystem. I think GNOME also provides a graphical UI for access via FTP, but I've not used it. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Messages notification
Hi Martin, On 17 Nov 2010, at 19:17, Martin Abente wrote: Change the want for need and we have: When there is something they _need_ to know And that is exactly the same reason why we are already using the Icon notifications and the same reason why we are already using Alert widgets all over sugar (outside activities), and there are still more cases that we don't do because we simply don't have this feature fully implemented yet. That's all i got. I'm just running through another more interesting notification mockup, specifically of each of the proposed frame corner notification history palettes, as these seem the feature you/dextrose need/want to focus on. Before we go too much further, could you/dextrose provide a list of some example notification messages that you want to provide the user, and if possible what you think a user would do with that information? 'Just useful to know', 'look in some help activity/document/web page', 'go to the teacher and ask', 'record in some way for future correspondence' are all reasonable user outcomes. David seemed to touch on this in his previous email referencing 'typical support staff'. I just want to get a clearer idea of what you/dextrose hope to achieve via the notification effort. So far, just to summarise things, the concrete examples I've seen are: Journal: Your journal is almost full, please erase unnecessary entries. Great, this will allow us to drop the constantly repeating journal is full dialogue that get's in the way while trying to clean-up. Battery: Your battery is running out of charge! I'd also suggest we might want a notification for both connecting to power, and being disconnected from power. Gureito News: Hey kids! Online puppets festival this weekend, don't miss it! This one doesn't seem to have such a sane corner to appear from and seems to be a new messaging feature – in your mockup you placed it in the buddy notification corner (top right). I assume will come from a school server? This might tie in reasonably well with the idea of in activity bubble chat with other collaborating users (Eben was working on this idea some time back). I'll try and work this in to my next mockup, I think that top right buddy notification corner could be used to show simple in activity user chat, and Gureito News server notifications. Existing notifications already in Sugar: Journal/Shell: Send to friend notification. Pulses in top left corner and then adds a download icon to the top frame for user interaction. Activity: Private collaboration invitation. Pulses in the top left corner and then adds an activity icon to the top frame to allow user interaction. IRC: User mentioned your nickname. If IRC activity is not in focus, it will trigger a pulsing icon in the top right corner to indicate a user message. Not quite a buddy notification event in the Sugar collaboration layer sense, but more than close enough. Copy: Item copied to the clipboard. Pulses icon in bottom left corner and adds a clipping icon to the left frame edge for user interaction. I know it's a little chicken and egg, but do you have any specific errors you get in the field that notifications can help in a local resolution? I'll try and come up with some more possible cases for my next mockup, but that's just me trying to guess. I have some fair ideas for device notifications e.g. wireless connects/disconnects, gsm/3g errors, new storage media attached, storage media disconnected without being gracefully unmounted first etc. Regards, --Gary Abrazos, :) On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: This patch has a place in Dextrose. Dextrose is looking at the question, How can we provide support staff the necessary information to effectively fix and/or report problems to a higher level of service and support? Let's not jump to conclusions. Can this be limited to... when the user _wants_ it? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
