[Sugar-devel] eduJam: Call for speakers / Llamado a disertantes
This is a call to all the interested in participate in eduJam event. eduJam is a community event, then need the active participation of all the community. We have written a few objectives for the event: * Analyze the state of Sugar platform and plan the steps for the near future. * Know the main achievements and challenges faced by existing deployments. * Join the development community, build links Are you interested in talk about any topic related to these objectives or you have a great talk to share with us? Please send a mail to edujam2...@ceibaljam.org The program committee -- Este es un llamado a todos los interesados en participar del evento eduJam. eduJam es un evento de la comunidad, entonces necesita de la participación activa de toda la comunidad. Hemos escrito unos pocos objetivos para el evento: * Analizar el estado de la plataforma Sugar y planear los pasos en el futuro cercano. * Conocer los principales logros y desafíos que enfrentan los deployments existentes * Unir la comunidad de desarrollo, crear lazos Si estas interesado en hablar acerca de dealgun tema relacionado con estos objetivos o tenés una charla para compartir, envía un mail a edujam2...@ceibaljam.org El comité de pograma ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] tamtammini-57.xo, csound and ubuntu
Hi Jonas! Not yet. Well, i reported the problems to a friend who is doing package maintainance for debian. I thought he could sort the problem and give advice for further actions. Unfortunately i didn't hear back from him. Furthermore i posted the log file in the ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1716997 - no reaction .. but i guess it's more a user centered plattform. Next saturday i give a presentation at a linux event. Maybe i find somebody who is interested in solving the thing. Btw: i could offer a iso image of the whole system to be booted via DVD or USB-stick. Maybe this could also be help. Sofar, thanks for replies. Andrea * Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk [2011-04-02 15:33]: Hi Andrea, On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 11:13:41AM +0200, Andrea Mayr wrote: Two years ago i tried so hard to get it running (on debian), but failed. Did you ever try report to Debian the problems you encountered? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Contact sheet for all sugar-artwork icons
Hi Gonzalo, On 3 Apr 2011, at 04:47, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Would be useful have one image with the file names too. Just hover over an icon in the svg to see the name, or did you mean something else? I was considering putting in dividers to separate the different sections, but thought displaying all names would make the sheet very cluttered and leave too little space for the actual icons. --Gary Gonzalo On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 22 Mar 2011, at 15:08, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Very cool! I specially like the circular saw next to the gear. Perhaps missing the maya numerals? Just to follow up, I've updated and uploaded a svg pointing to all – I hope this time – icons from sugar-artwork and sugar. Note that the wiki shows the image preview thumbnail as all black, just click through to the full svg and you'll see all the remotely referenced images as in git mainline, hover over an icon for its name: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.svg For the svg challenged, there's a matching png at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Regards, --Gary cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Contact sheet for all sugar-artwork icons
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 22 Mar 2011, at 15:08, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Very cool! I specially like the circular saw next to the gear. Perhaps missing the maya numerals? Just to follow up, I've updated and uploaded a svg pointing to all – I hope this time – icons from sugar-artwork and sugar. Note that the wiki shows the image preview thumbnail as all black, just click through to the full svg and you'll see all the remotely referenced images as in git mainline, hover over an icon for its name: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.svg Clicking through with Firefox on Fedora 14 and I still get an all-black image. -walter For the svg challenged, there's a matching png at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Regards, --Gary cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Contact sheet for all sugar-artwork icons
SVG is black on Firefox v3.16 on my MacBook running OSX v10.6.7 too Sean On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 22 Mar 2011, at 15:08, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Very cool! I specially like the circular saw next to the gear. Perhaps missing the maya numerals? Just to follow up, I've updated and uploaded a svg pointing to all – I hope this time – icons from sugar-artwork and sugar. Note that the wiki shows the image preview thumbnail as all black, just click through to the full svg and you'll see all the remotely referenced images as in git mainline, hover over an icon for its name: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.svg Clicking through with Firefox on Fedora 14 and I still get an all-black image. -walter For the svg challenged, there's a matching png at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Regards, --Gary cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] revise timezone list, #2195
Excerpts from James Cameron's message of Wed Mar 23 00:58:09 +0100 2011: Thanks for the patch! It's a good start, but unfortunately not enough. POSIX defines TZ as std offset dst offset, rule [1], ... No, according to [1] only the std offset form is required, the remaining fields are optional. Therefore my patch is correct. Yes, everything after the first offset is optional. That wasn't my point. The problem here is that you can't specify an offset without also giving the name of a time zone (at least in the POSIX standard format). Yes, the system will claim the local time zone to be UTC. This is unchanged from before the patch. The patch was not intended to fix this. Do you consider it a problem? It is not mentioned in #2195. Would you like a bug raised in trac? It will only affect applications or activites that use TZ, and I don't have a list of those. I cannot assess the impact. Your last sentence highlights the issue: We're going from obviously incorrect to partially incorrect and I can't tell what the effects of the partial incorrectness will be. Short term an option might be to parse the /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab file. I don't understand what you mean. Can you please explain further? The code already reads zone.tab and uses the third field of non-comment lines. D'oh. I checked the time zone list (in the UI), but obviously didn't scroll enough to see the regular time zones. Sorry. My immediate thought would be to just drop the additional, offset based time zones. What exactly is the use case for these? If it's just time zones that are missing from distributions, we should work on getting them included upstream and patch either Sugar or the distribution packages to include them in the meantime. Other options, depending on the use case, might be: 1. Add time zones in /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc to the list. 2. Turn the list into a ComboBoxEntry so users can enter arbitrary time zone values (in standard or implementation-defined format). 3. Tell users to directly manipulate the gconf setting (/desktop/sugar/date/timezone). In any case, we should fix the code to either look up the standard format for the chosen time zone or prefix the location name with a colon. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Contact sheet for all sugar-artwork icons
Oh blast, thanks Sean/Walter, I'd tested in Safari and Chrome with no problems. Firefox was also working fine but recently I reworked the svg to define all the images in the defs section and then using use to actually place them (this makes inserting removing new icons in the correct grid position much easier). I'll revert to the old technique and re-test in Firefox. Probably time to make a quick python script to generate the xml... O.T. I have a pretty much working process for generating the weekly mail list SOM as SVGs, with working built in pan and zoom, resolution independent and searchable text, and a smaller file size (the jpg's I upload are about 300Kb, the svgz of the same map was about 200Kb). Unfortunately it looks like browser support of svg varies enough to derail the practicality of this. --Gary On 3 Apr 2011, at 12:27, Sean DALY wrote: SVG is black on Firefox v3.16 on my MacBook running OSX v10.6.7 too Sean On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 22 Mar 2011, at 15:08, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Gary C Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Very cool! I specially like the circular saw next to the gear. Perhaps missing the maya numerals? Just to follow up, I've updated and uploaded a svg pointing to all – I hope this time – icons from sugar-artwork and sugar. Note that the wiki shows the image preview thumbnail as all black, just click through to the full svg and you'll see all the remotely referenced images as in git mainline, hover over an icon for its name: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.svg Clicking through with Firefox on Fedora 14 and I still get an all-black image. -walter For the svg challenged, there's a matching png at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-artwork.png Regards, --Gary cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu
Does anyone have an idea how to help François set up a Sugar session in Ubuntu using Xephyr to resize, or set a different windows size than 800x600? I seem to remember Simon doing that for me at SugarCamp Bolzano, changing a parameter in an x.org config file, but I have since reformatted reinstalled that netbook. Thanks Sean -- Forwarded message -- From: Francois Bocquet francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr Date: 2011/4/3 Subject: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu To: memb...@olpc-france.org Bonjour, Je cherche à utiliser Sugar avec Ubuntu 10.10 au sein même de la session (utilise Xephyr). J'arrive à le faire fonctionner en utilisant la procédure proposée sur le site de Sugar (avec la version Remix installée depuis Ubuntu). J'arrive à démarrer des sessions avec Sugar seul mais quand j'utilise Sugar au sein d'Ubuntu, Xephyr me propose une fenêtre en 800-600 que je ne peux redimensionner ni placer en plein écran. Quelqu'un aurait il la solution ? J'ai tenté de regarder dans les fichiers exécutables sugar dans le dossier bin mais je n'ai pas trouvé de pistes. Merci d'avance. o-o Francois BOCQUET Professeur des Universités associé tél. : +33 6 62 36 44 04 mél. : francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr http://perso.univ-lyon2.fr/~fbocquet ___ Membres mailing list memb...@lists.olpc-france.org http://lists.olpc-france.org/listinfo.cgi/membres-olpc-france.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu
2011/4/3 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an idea how to help François set up a Sugar session in Ubuntu using Xephyr to resize, or set a different windows size than 800x600? I seem to remember Simon doing that for me at SugarCamp Bolzano, changing a parameter in an x.org config file, but I have since reformatted reinstalled that netbook. Thanks Sean -- Forwarded message -- From: Francois Bocquet francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr Date: 2011/4/3 Subject: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu To: memb...@olpc-france.org Bonjour, Je cherche à utiliser Sugar avec Ubuntu 10.10 au sein même de la session (utilise Xephyr). J'arrive à le faire fonctionner en utilisant la procédure proposée sur le site de Sugar (avec la version Remix installée depuis Ubuntu). J'arrive à démarrer des sessions avec Sugar seul mais quand j'utilise Sugar au sein d'Ubuntu, Xephyr me propose une fenêtre en 800-600 que je ne peux redimensionner ni placer en plein écran. Quelqu'un aurait il la solution ? J'ai tenté de regarder dans les fichiers exécutables sugar dans le dossier bin mais je n'ai pas trouvé de pistes. Merci d'avance. o-o Francois BOCQUET Professeur des Universités associé tél. : +33 6 62 36 44 04 mél. : francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr http://perso.univ-lyon2.fr/~fbocquet ___ Membres mailing list memb...@lists.olpc-france.org http://lists.olpc-france.org/listinfo.cgi/membres-olpc-france.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel If you launch from a command line, you can use -i to set the size, e.g., -i 1024x768 or --fullscreen -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu
Walter Bender wrote: 2011/4/3 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an idea how to help François set up a Sugar session in Ubuntu using Xephyr to resize, or set a different windows size than 800x600? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable#Sugar-Emulator_Screen_Size_Adjustment Sugar-Emulator Screen Size Adjustment * In Terminal: |sugar-emulator -i 600x500| (fits the screen for a 10 Netbook as a window) |*sugar-emulator -f*| *(Full Screen)* fit screen size and display entire sugar-emulator window * Help for sugar-emulator |sugar-emulator --help| I seem to remember Simon doing that for me at SugarCamp Bolzano, changing a parameter in an x.org config file, but I have since reformatted reinstalled that netbook. Thanks Sean -- Forwarded message -- From: Francois Bocquet francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr Date: 2011/4/3 Subject: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu To: memb...@olpc-france.org Bonjour, Je cherche à utiliser Sugar avec Ubuntu 10.10 au sein même de la session (utilise Xephyr). J'arrive à le faire fonctionner en utilisant la procédure proposée sur le site de Sugar (avec la version Remix installée depuis Ubuntu). J'arrive à démarrer des sessions avec Sugar seul mais quand j'utilise Sugar au sein d'Ubuntu, Xephyr me propose une fenêtre en 800-600 que je ne peux redimensionner ni placer en plein écran. Quelqu'un aurait il la solution ? J'ai tenté de regarder dans les fichiers exécutables sugar dans le dossier bin mais je n'ai pas trouvé de pistes. Merci d'avance. o-o Francois BOCQUET Professeur des Universités associé tél. : +33 6 62 36 44 04 mél. : francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr http://perso.univ-lyon2.fr/~fbocquet ___ Membres mailing list memb...@lists.olpc-france.org http://lists.olpc-france.org/listinfo.cgi/membres-olpc-france.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel If you launch from a command line, you can use -i to set the size, e.g., -i 1024x768 or --fullscreen -walter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] The activity icon does not handle the case of a activity without metadata.
Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Thu Mar 31 17:21:19 +0200 2011: If the activity is initiated with create_object=False Acked-by: Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.com Pushed as 35cb4e3 [1] (master) and a883557 [2] (sucrose-0.92). Thanks for the patch! Sascha [1] http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-toolkit/mainline/commit/35cb4e38811472c50f10ce34607871d3bc0ce59b [2] http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-toolkit/mainline/commit/a883557ee1d79990eed64da89bd03d4b1dba1c58 -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] The activity icon does not handle the case of a activity without metadata.
Thanks. Must I close the ticket? Gonzalo On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.comwrote: Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Thu Mar 31 17:21:19 +0200 2011: If the activity is initiated with create_object=False Acked-by: Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.com Pushed as 35cb4e3 [1] (master) and a883557 [2] (sucrose-0.92). Thanks for the patch! Sascha [1] http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-toolkit/mainline/commit/35cb4e38811472c50f10ce34607871d3bc0ce59b [2] http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-toolkit/mainline/commit/a883557ee1d79990eed64da89bd03d4b1dba1c58 -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs Argentina ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu
François thanks us for the assistance, it works like he wants now :-) Sean On Sunday, April 3, 2011, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: Walter Bender wrote: 2011/4/3 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com sdaly...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an idea how to help François set up a Sugar session in Ubuntu using Xephyr to resize, or set a different windows size than 800x600? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable#Sugar-Emulator_Screen_Size_Adjustment Sugar-Emulator Screen Size Adjustment In Terminal: sugar-emulator -i 600x500 (fits the screen for a 10 Netbook as a window) sugar-emulator -f (Full Screen) fit screen size and display entire sugar-emulator window Help for sugar-emulator sugar-emulator --help I seem to remember Simon doing that for me at SugarCamp Bolzano, changing a parameter in an x.org config file, but I have since reformatted reinstalled that netbook. Thanks Sean -- Forwarded message -- From: Francois Bocquet francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr Date: 2011/4/3 Subject: [OLPC-Fr] Coup de main pour régler la fenêtre Xephyr pour utiliser Sugar dans Ubuntu To: memb...@olpc-france.org Bonjour, Je cherche à utiliser Sugar avec Ubuntu 10.10 au sein même de la session (utilise Xephyr). J'arrive à le faire fonctionner en utilisant la procédure proposée sur le site de Sugar (avec la version Remix installée depuis Ubuntu). J'arrive à démarrer des sessions avec Sugar seul mais quand j'utilise Sugar au sein d'Ubuntu, Xephyr me propose une fenêtre en 800-600 que je ne peux redimensionner ni placer en plein écran. Quelqu'un aurait il la solution ? J'ai tenté de regarder dans les fichiers exécutables sugar dans le dossier bin mais je n'ai pas trouvé de pistes. Merci d'avance. o-o Francois BOCQUET Professeur des Universités associé tél. : +33 6 62 36 44 04 mél. : francois.bocq...@univ-lyon2.fr http://perso.univ-lyon2.fr/~fbocquet ___ Membres mailing list memb...@lists.olpc-france.org http://lists.olpc-france.org/listinfo.cgi/membres-olpc-france.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel If you launch from a command line, you can use -i to set the size, e.g., -i 1024x768 or --fullscreen -walter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] revise timezone list, #2195
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 01:42:49PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from James Cameron's message of Wed Mar 23 00:58:09 +0100 2011: Yes, the system will claim the local time zone to be UTC. This is unchanged from before the patch. The patch was not intended to fix this. Do you consider it a problem? It is not mentioned in #2195. Would you like a bug raised in trac? It will only affect applications or activites that use TZ, and I don't have a list of those. I cannot assess the impact. Your last sentence highlights the issue: We're going from obviously incorrect to partially incorrect and I can't tell what the effects of the partial incorrectness will be. Partial incorrectness is adequate, and better than obviously incorrect. If maintainers are unwilling to move from obviously incorrect to partially incorrect, then my patch should be refused. My immediate thought would be to just drop the additional, offset based time zones. What exactly is the use case for these? If it's just time zones that are missing from distributions, we should work on getting them included upstream and patch either Sugar or the distribution packages to include them in the meantime. Other options, depending on the use case, might be: 1. Add time zones in /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc to the list. 2. Turn the list into a ComboBoxEntry so users can enter arbitrary time zone values (in standard or implementation-defined format). 3. Tell users to directly manipulate the gconf setting (/desktop/sugar/date/timezone). In any case, we should fix the code to either look up the standard format for the chosen time zone or prefix the location name with a colon. I find the issue no longer interesting, sorry. I don't believe it justifies the investment in further discussion at this level of detail. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
