[Sugar-devel] Number of students that will be accepted in GSoC
Hi, I wanted to know how many students will be accepted through GSoC into Sugar Labs?? *M.Prannoy* ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] IRC Activity fixes
Hello Michal, Great that you have decided to do a GSOC project for us. Thanks! Please refer to my inline comments below. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Michał Poczwardowski dmp0x...@gmail.comwrote: I'm a regular IRC user and have few new ideas regarding IRC Activity. As sugar channels reside at freenode, It would be nice to have NickServ support build-in. Also, when ordinary IRC users use screen with console client, It would be great to have awaylog that displays our hilights even when we are not present. This feature could be turn on only for registered nicks and some webservice + irclogs will be involved. For example: when user joins channel, IRC Activity could show all hilights since user's last visit, of course with reasonable time/messages limit. This is a really nice idea. Definitely worth implementing. But I would deem it as secondary, if time permits we could probably work on this. The most important features to work on will be: 1) Multithreading: The IRC Activity very slow when compared to other IRC clients. 2) Alert on highlight 3) Whois info 4) Backlog 5) Multiple connections (presently you can only connect to one server, so if I want to connect to 2 channels say one on mibbit and one on freenode. I can't do that in IRC.) 6) Theming (would like to add, but again its secondary) 7) Encoding options. Not everyone speaks english on IRC, try going to a chinese channel using the IRC activity and see what happens. Does it shows the chinese characters properly? I haven't tested this myself, but I reckon it won't work. 8) Save chat history in journal. (Very very important) I would encourage you to open up your favorite IRC client and check what features it provides, and would it be useful if we add it in the IRC Activity? I've found library[2] that could be used to replace deprecated Urk. Also implementing notifications and improving performance will be my priority. The library you suggested, although better than urk, hasn't been updated since 2012-09-29. Which makes me skeptical if this is the best alternate available? Libraries tend to later act as bottlenecks. For eg: Urk makes multithreading very difficult because it itself is single threaded. That's why I want you select the best all-python irc library out there. I will be grateful if you could give me some feedback to ideas provided. Thanks, Michal [1] http://dmpgsoc.azalayah.net/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-irclib/files/ dmp@freenode ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Number of students that will be accepted in GSoC
I don't know yet. -walter On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Prannoy M m.pran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I wanted to know how many students will be accepted through GSoC into Sugar Labs?? *M.Prannoy* ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Bidirectional communication javascript -local server
Hi, I think it could work but out-of-process communication inside the same process is weird. With that approach it would probably make more sense to communicate with telepathy and datastore directly, rather than going through the activity, perhaps using a websocket - dbus proxy like https://github.com/01org/cloudeebus (interesting that it's developed by https://01.org/) On old sugar we could have the activity run the proxy, while in new versions it could be session wide. On 19 April 2013 21:10, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Daniel, Can we use websockets to bidirectional communication from javascript to a local server? http://tech.pro/tutorial/1167/introduction-to-websockets Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Bidirectional communication javascript -local server
As another data point, WebOS has a system/session bus (it uses to be based on dbus, now it's not anymore but the logic is similar anyway). To provide web apps access to system functionalities, they apparently pacthed WebKit1 https://github.com/isis-project/WebKit/blob/master/Source/WebCore/platform/webos/LunaServiceMgr.cpp ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Bidirectional communication javascript -local server
The cloudeebus API seems pretty generic (from a very quick look) https://github.com/01org/cloudeebus/wiki/API The only method specific to the websocket implementation seems to be connect(). So, with webkit2, we could implement it all client side and avoid the proxy overhead. Implementation aside I tend to like the idea to have an intermediate, generic API to interact with DBus services. It should make the implementation of the public API (datastore, collaboration etc) easier and cleaner. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2013]
On 4/19/13, Andres Aguirre aguir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luca! The Sugar activities have a big dependence with GTK, wich is very difficult to port to Android, so the idea of this project is to made a wrapper of GTK that use a native graphic framework. The start point of the project is to study a basic Sugar Activity and its dependences with the GTK library, we propouse as case of study the activity Hello World in order to research wich are the pyGTK calls made and search for a native android graphic framework rich enough to implement those calls. We propouse use kivy based in the work of John Kim in the GCI http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2012/7972209?id=17001 The next step is to implement a basic wrapper that make easy the android port of the sugar activities. If success we will have a method to port sugar activities to android. This is not a full sugar implementation for android but could be a starting point. How different is this from using the native toolkit and use Py4A (python for Android under the scripting layer) to port the business logic? Some tutorial on Python for Android http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10940 Both guis are basically XML GUI with similar controls http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/controls.html Re-binding the applications to the native toolkit. best regards andrés On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:12 AM, luca melandri lucameland...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my name is Luca and i saw the *GTK wrapper library for Android* project in the idea page of sugar project and cause i like it and i know well python language and java too used on android i'd like to know what would be the start point of the project and some information more about it. Thanks for the anwser! :) -- Luca Melandri ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2013]
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: How different is this from using the native toolkit and use Py4A (python for Android under the scripting layer) to port the business logic? Py4A is ok to port some part of the business logic, remember that Py4A doesn't have support for PyGTK. We are looking to develop a framework with minimun impact in the existing activity code. andrés ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] IRC Activity fixes
Hello Aneesh, Thanks for your feedback! Your list of most important features will be really helpful during proposal writing. Before I start to prepare my proposal, I'll try to research available python IRC libraries. Note that mtime means last code modification in this case: pyirclib[1] - Whole implementation using 600 lines in single file. It's blocking and with not so many features (mtime: 2002-07-14). python-irclib[2] - Supports multiple simultaneous server connections. In my previous e-mail I mentioned this lib but provided link was outdated. It provides handy event-loop and It's in active development (mtime: 5 days ago[2]). oyoyo[4] - Small library, similar to pyirclib. (mtime: 10-10-2011). lurklib[5] - Small library described as thread-safe and event-driven. (mtime: 11 months ago) To sum up, The only library in active development is python-irclib. Its internals are written thread-safe and it suits all IRC Activity needs. IMHO, we should choose this one. :) Thanks, Michal [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyirclib/ [2] http://python-irclib.sourceforge.net [3] https://bitbucket.org/jaraco/irc/commits/all [4] https://code.google.com/p/oyoyo/ [5] https://github.com/LK-/lurklib/ On 20 April 2013 13:07, Aneesh Dogra ane...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Michal, Great that you have decided to do a GSOC project for us. Thanks! Please refer to my inline comments below. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Michał Poczwardowski dmp0x...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a regular IRC user and have few new ideas regarding IRC Activity. As sugar channels reside at freenode, It would be nice to have NickServ support build-in. Also, when ordinary IRC users use screen with console client, It would be great to have awaylog that displays our hilights even when we are not present. This feature could be turn on only for registered nicks and some webservice + irclogs will be involved. For example: when user joins channel, IRC Activity could show all hilights since user's last visit, of course with reasonable time/messages limit. This is a really nice idea. Definitely worth implementing. But I would deem it as secondary, if time permits we could probably work on this. The most important features to work on will be: 1) Multithreading: The IRC Activity very slow when compared to other IRC clients. 2) Alert on highlight 3) Whois info 4) Backlog 5) Multiple connections (presently you can only connect to one server, so if I want to connect to 2 channels say one on mibbit and one on freenode. I can't do that in IRC.) 6) Theming (would like to add, but again its secondary) 7) Encoding options. Not everyone speaks english on IRC, try going to a chinese channel using the IRC activity and see what happens. Does it shows the chinese characters properly? I haven't tested this myself, but I reckon it won't work. 8) Save chat history in journal. (Very very important) I would encourage you to open up your favorite IRC client and check what features it provides, and would it be useful if we add it in the IRC Activity? I've found library[2] that could be used to replace deprecated Urk. Also implementing notifications and improving performance will be my priority. The library you suggested, although better than urk, hasn't been updated since 2012-09-29. Which makes me skeptical if this is the best alternate available? Libraries tend to later act as bottlenecks. For eg: Urk makes multithreading very difficult because it itself is single threaded. That's why I want you select the best all-python irc library out there. I will be grateful if you could give me some feedback to ideas provided. Thanks, Michal [1] http://dmpgsoc.azalayah.net/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-irclib/files/ dmp@freenode ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Reg : GSOC Contribution
Hi, I am Anoop Kumar, I want to contribute to Sugar development through GSOC. As the student proposals are about to begin, I want to know what would the selection criteria be i.e apart from the project proposal, what do I need to do to prove that I can be a potential contributor. I also want to know whether I can propose any completely new idea compared to the ones mentioned in the ideas page. Anoop Kumar International Institute of Information Technology BTech CSE ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Hacking on HTML activities UI (was Re: GSoC 13)
Hi lionel, 1)Done with setting up of virtual box and installed sugar. Seems to be working fine. But, while running the Sugar in it, it slows down the pc a lot and various other issues come in while developing activities. I guess it is better if I switch to Ubuntu asap while hacking. 2)It was a good read . Now, I have a basic understanding how activities are developed and packed right from making a standalone python program to packaging and distributing the activities. I did install the helloworld activity and it seems to working fine. 3)I must admit, it is impressive work. Went through your manual and understood how the enyo framework alongwith,connect and sendmessage methods were used to interact between the user interface, javascript and python code I needed some clarifications, Honestly, i did not grasp the console part, which needed improvement. Were you talking about the connect and sendmessage? And, regarding the UI part, should I just create CSS files to replicate default sugar toolbars and other sugar user interfaces? Also, looking forward to the IRC meeting on html activities on Mon. :) Regards, Suraj On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM, lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: ** ** Hi Suraj, To initialize your knowledge about the project, I can suggest you several steps: First, install Sugar on your computer. I understand that you're on Windows but it's pretty easy to install SugarOnAStick in a Windows VirtualBox. It's a good way to discover it. Have a look on [1] (in French but easy to translate or follow steps using screen capture). Second, learn how Sugar activity are developed and packaged today. The better introduction about that is in the great book of James, Make your own Sugar activities [2]. It will be very interesting for you too to install and explore the HelloWorld Activity [3] in your VirtualBox. Third, explore the first experience of Sugar HTML5 activities I've wrote. A chapter in the book Make your own Sugar activities talk about that [4]. Gridpaint [5] is one of the first activity to use this framework. Install it and try to understand how it works: have specifically a look on Log (using Log activity) then to Enyo.py and Sugar.js files. Once you've done it, there is few issue with the current way of works of this first Sugar HTML5 framework: **1. **It depends on console-message to interface WebKit and JavaScript. It's a bad hack. This message could be deprecated on future version of WebKit. We should work one another interface. Exploring PhoneGap/Cordoba way of working for iOS (using a hidden Iframe) could be interesting. **2. **It depends of the standard Sugar Toolbar and HTML5 controls don't have the Sugar LookFeel. We want integrate the full Sugar UI into the Sugar HTML5 framework. So we need CSS files and an API to match the Sugar controls and features. **3. **It don't expose the Sugar feature into JavaScript. So each time the HTML5 application want to call Sugar, it need to call Python code. The Sugar HTML5 framework should expose natively main Sugar features: specifically DataStore (read/write to Journal), telepathy (Collaboration). **4. **Finally, as you read in this thread, embedding a WebView is not necessarily the best solution to write a Web activity. BTW as a first approach to the problem, we could start with it. Point 2 could be started very quickly. You just had to list all Sugar Controls then think how they could be designed as HTML5 controls. Lionel. [1] http://olpc-france.org/blog/2013/02/decouvrez-sugar-depuis-votre-machine/* *** [2] http://www.flossmanuals.net/make-your-own-sugar-activities/ [3] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/fr/sugar/addon/4418 [4] http://en.flossmanuals.net/make-your-own-sugar-activities/developing-sugar-activities-using-html5/ [5] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/fr/sugar/addon/4647 ** ** ** ** ** ** *De :* suraj ks [mailto:suraj.gilles...@gmail.com] *Envoyé :* lundi 15 avril 2013 22:27 *À :* Daniel Narvaez; lio...@olpc-france.org *Cc :* Sugar-dev Devel; Manuel Quiñones *Objet :* Re: [Sugar-devel] Hacking on HTML activities UI (was Re: GSoC 13) ** ** Ok, ** ** In a nutshell, These are the tasks for this project. ** ** Going by the way Lionel suggested, Create a sugar activity with full screen web view control. Modify the current js framework and make use of native features to be able to write html activities in Sugar. ** ** ** ** Lionel mentioned, The step 1 need only to map a set of JavaScript functions to a set of Sugar functions. Once the list of Sugar functions is write, it’s not very complex to do. So find those functions and tweak them to support the same. And of course, work on the UI part.
[Sugar-devel] Local Labs Wikis was: Re: [IAEP] wiki.sugarlabs.org ongoing maintenance
Hi,
When I did maintenance and upgrade of co.sugarlabs.org the only
difference with the other local labs wikis,
was that it had some extensions related to vandalism prevention:
from LocalSettings.php:
#dirakx para los vandalos
# icarito - File Not Found
#require_once( $IP/extensions/TitleBlacklist/TitleBlacklist.php );
require_once( extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php );
#require_once( includes/DatabaseFunctions.php );
require_once( $IP/extensions/bad-behavior/bad-behavior-mediawiki.php );
I had to disable the TitleBlacklist extension because I coudn't find it
and did not have the time to go
fishing for it.
Perhaps this is a good opportunity to study what countermeasures /
options we have to fix this issue,
which is particularly grave for local labs wikis.
I'm cc'ing Rafael (dirakx) who originally configured these
countermeasures for co.sl.org.
I'm leaning to think the best option is to copy the pages that are good
from all {ar, co, cl, pe} wikis
into one single Sugar Labs / Laboratorios Azúcar América Latina instance.
This would reduce the maintenance burden and maybe revitalize /
consolidate our spanish speaking
community a bit more?
Regards,
Sebastian
El 19/04/13 23:41, Stefan Unterhauser escribió:
found one link ...
http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Eigene_Mail-Adresse_kostenfrei
/me knows german :)
by the way wonder why there is no sugarlabs favicon :(
cu
dogi
PS: there are much more here http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Especial:Todas
Wonder if somebody is actively watching all
http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Especial:Seguimiento
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Bernie Innocenti
ber...@sugarlabs.org mailto:ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Cristian Paul detected a surge of spam on co.sugarlabs.org... can
someone please check? I'll be on a bus to NYC this afternoon.
On 04/18/2013 02:27 AM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
El 16/04/13 00:03, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
Our wiki has grown quite large and the upgrade from Mediawiki
1.19 to
1.20 required several slow steps, so unfortunately I had to
leave before
fixing up the local wikis.
I ran maintenance/update scripts for:
pe.sugarlabs.org http://pe.sugarlabs.org
cl.sugarlabs.org http://cl.sugarlabs.org
ar.sugarlabs.org http://ar.sugarlabs.org
co.sugarlabs.org http://co.sugarlabs.org
They are back up, spammy as they are.
Regards,
Sebastian
--
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Re: [Sugar-devel] IRC Activity fixes
Okay. That sounds about right then! Go with python-irclib. Thanks and Regards Aneesh Dogra -- Sent from my Galaxy Nexus On Apr 21, 2013 1:04 AM, Michał Poczwardowski dmp0x...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Aneesh, Thanks for your feedback! Your list of most important features will be really helpful during proposal writing. Before I start to prepare my proposal, I'll try to research available python IRC libraries. Note that mtime means last code modification in this case: pyirclib[1] - Whole implementation using 600 lines in single file. It's blocking and with not so many features (mtime: 2002-07-14). python-irclib[2] - Supports multiple simultaneous server connections. In my previous e-mail I mentioned this lib but provided link was outdated. It provides handy event-loop and It's in active development (mtime: 5 days ago[2]). oyoyo[4] - Small library, similar to pyirclib. (mtime: 10-10-2011). lurklib[5] - Small library described as thread-safe and event-driven. (mtime: 11 months ago) To sum up, The only library in active development is python-irclib. Its internals are written thread-safe and it suits all IRC Activity needs. IMHO, we should choose this one. :) Thanks, Michal [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyirclib/ [2] http://python-irclib.sourceforge.net [3] https://bitbucket.org/jaraco/irc/commits/all [4] https://code.google.com/p/oyoyo/ [5] https://github.com/LK-/lurklib/ On 20 April 2013 13:07, Aneesh Dogra ane...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Michal, Great that you have decided to do a GSOC project for us. Thanks! Please refer to my inline comments below. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Michał Poczwardowski dmp0x...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a regular IRC user and have few new ideas regarding IRC Activity. As sugar channels reside at freenode, It would be nice to have NickServ support build-in. Also, when ordinary IRC users use screen with console client, It would be great to have awaylog that displays our hilights even when we are not present. This feature could be turn on only for registered nicks and some webservice + irclogs will be involved. For example: when user joins channel, IRC Activity could show all hilights since user's last visit, of course with reasonable time/messages limit. This is a really nice idea. Definitely worth implementing. But I would deem it as secondary, if time permits we could probably work on this. The most important features to work on will be: 1) Multithreading: The IRC Activity very slow when compared to other IRC clients. 2) Alert on highlight 3) Whois info 4) Backlog 5) Multiple connections (presently you can only connect to one server, so if I want to connect to 2 channels say one on mibbit and one on freenode. I can't do that in IRC.) 6) Theming (would like to add, but again its secondary) 7) Encoding options. Not everyone speaks english on IRC, try going to a chinese channel using the IRC activity and see what happens. Does it shows the chinese characters properly? I haven't tested this myself, but I reckon it won't work. 8) Save chat history in journal. (Very very important) I would encourage you to open up your favorite IRC client and check what features it provides, and would it be useful if we add it in the IRC Activity? I've found library[2] that could be used to replace deprecated Urk. Also implementing notifications and improving performance will be my priority. The library you suggested, although better than urk, hasn't been updated since 2012-09-29. Which makes me skeptical if this is the best alternate available? Libraries tend to later act as bottlenecks. For eg: Urk makes multithreading very difficult because it itself is single threaded. That's why I want you select the best all-python irc library out there. I will be grateful if you could give me some feedback to ideas provided. Thanks, Michal [1] http://dmpgsoc.azalayah.net/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-irclib/files/ dmp@freenode ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Reg : GSOC Contribution
You'll probably have to prove that you are competent to complete the project through some qualification tasks. Example for the IRC activity fixes project you'll have to do some research on existing python-irc libraries, chose the most suitable, do some small Gtk3 fixes, write a basic wrapper to your chosen library, provide blueprints on how would you implement the ideas. Mainly the purpose of the qualification tasks would be to check whether you and the mentor can communicate well and will you be able to complete the project on time. P.S: Its just my opinion, other mentors may have other criterion. Thanks and Regards Aneesh Dogra -- Sent from my Galaxy Nexus On Apr 21, 2013 2:42 AM, Anoop Kumar amanchi.ku...@students.iiit.ac.in wrote: Hi, I am Anoop Kumar, I want to contribute to Sugar development through GSOC. As the student proposals are about to begin, I want to know what would the selection criteria be i.e apart from the project proposal, what do I need to do to prove that I can be a potential contributor. I also want to know whether I can propose any completely new idea compared to the ones mentioned in the ideas page. Anoop Kumar International Institute of Information Technology BTech CSE __**_ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.**org Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/**listinfo/sugar-develhttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
