Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Very cool! The initial loading screen did seem a tad long but probably not noticeable to most people with a modern laptop like mine. I wonder if it's okay on an XO-1? Is the code available somewhere? I checked sugarlab's github but didn't see it :) On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 05:02 -0800, Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, last week I was working with Walter Bender on new SugarLabs website, as current one is too old and doesn't have attractive UI. Results of our work is here: http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ New website is based on Bootstrap, with some plugins and self-written jQuery code. It uses Jekyll, so it doesn't need PHP anymore. We would like to ask you for opinions about this new website, for ideas what we can change/improve/add/fix. All suggestions are very welcome! Best, Tymon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aaron Borden Human and Hacker signature.asc Description: signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Hi, can I have translating rights for pt-PT? I had them in the old pootle, but my account didn't migrate to new one one, so I created a fresh HoboPrimate account. Thanks, Eduardo 2015-02-26 15:02 GMT+00:00 Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com: Hi, I am translating Sugar to Polish and I am really glad, my submissions will be used in Sugar :-) Regards, czw., 26 lut 2015 o 15:48 użytkownik Chris Leonard c...@sugarlabs.org napisał: Please note that other than the word 'Bundle all of the added words to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 are foreign language names. Very often there are suggestions offered by the new Poolte UI (from other lists of language names) , which should allow a native speaker to go through these very quickly indeed. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Martin Abente Lahaye t...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Nice, i just completed the Igbo language for Terminal and sugar-toolkit-gtk, and hopefully, i will get the other guys to finish the translation for both igbo and yoruba, Thanks again Martin for you generous support. Regards Samson Refs:1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:24:26 -0300 From: t...@sugarlabs.org To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; c...@sugarlabs.org; localizat...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards,Martin. Refs:1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, +1 I think there are some ways to improve hardware independence. Integrating sugar with a display manager would make it work in many (traditional?) IT situations where you have computers with networked student accounts. Over the ensuing years, we have also made efforts to reach out in other ways, some more successful than others: Sugar has been ported to virtually every major flavor of GNU/Linux. As a community, it has been difficult to support all of those efforts, but some, such as Trisquel, rival Fedora, where we still do our development, in terms of stability. (We have lagged behind in our Ubuntu support; given its popularity this has been a tactical mistake.) We also initiated the Sugar on a Stick and Sugar in a virtual machine efforts, which opened the door to getting a taste of Sugar on iOS and MS Windows platforms. These products have matured and are well maintained. In anticipation of the tablet bubble, we added touch support to Sugar; (it works, but the good news is that most people serious about using tablets for learning are also including keyboards these days.) Sugar also runs nicely on Chromebooks, which are making some inroads into the classroom. Yeah, ubuntu is a big issue! And, as Lionel mentioned, already three years ago we began in earnest an effort to support Javascript as a first order language in Sugar so as to both invite a broader community of developers in and being to offer Sugar activities to users of web browsers and Android (eventually iPhone) devices. Lionel has expanded upon that effort to try to offer the whole Sugar experience, not just individual activities. This work is on-going and is the focus of our proposal to Google Summer of Code 2015. Yeah this is a really awesome movement. Just throwing around another opportunity idea, sugar activities are written in GTK, meaning it would be possible to make sugar activities work inside GNOME (or other DEs) as windows. Turtle does this, but it would be cool to expand this to a general library (#GSOC?). TB becoming a spin out is a great way to widen sugar's reach. Tb is an awesome first step towards coding, and export to python and stuff are great features that help in a further intro to coding. And it is worth noting that 50% of the patches in the latest Sugar release came from kids. Yeah, but did 50% of the ideas come from users? All of that said, our future is far from clear. OLPC and OLPC deployments have been the largest source of funding, albeit erratic, for Sugar development and maintenance. (We continue to get some funding from Google, Trip Advisor, et al., but these $s are not general funds for supporting developers and code maintenance.) It seems that the OLPC well is running dry (We have a few proposals circulating but none in hand at the moment.) We've gotten little support from other hardware vendors, I believe in part because many of them still see Sugar Labs as an extension of OLPC, with whom they were competing. Well why not do a needles ui/design change :). It would probably change people's perception if we changed the xo icon or something (a la android 5) and made ourselves less look connected to olpc. Not something to rush out and do without thinking, not something that we should waste development time on either, but an idea. So either Sugar Labs finds support for the core development team to remain focused full-time on Sugar or we scale back our release cycle to one that can be managed entirely by part-time volunteers. There are opportunities out there: for example, partnering with some of the classroom management solutions; finding funding for specific programs, such as Turtle Blocks, and finding more hardware partners. Meanwhile, we also need to keep Sugar relevant. I take the long view there, in that I think the core pedagogical ideas in Sugar are sound and that over time we'll be better situated to get these ideas into the hands of learners. (For example, Android is becoming more Sugar-friendly as it evolves.) Some of the reflection ideas that OLPC AU was pushing seemed really great. Hopefully they can get implemented. But I think whatever path we follow, consultation is the most important. One issue OLPCs and sugarlabs seems to have is the lack of consultation with students and teachers. It is great that we have some educational idea or have read some paper about education that an 'expert' has written, however we are making an OS for students and teachers. If the OS isn't helping students or if it confuses teachers, then what good is it really doing? We can load sugar with data collection tools and what not, but nothing replaces talking to teachers, watching how they use sugar, and asking what they want changed. In fact this is not unique to Sugar and OLPC. I am yet to use edutech at my school that feels like it was built
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick, USB-HowTo as an Activity, in Home view.
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 08:02 -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 02/26/2015 07:08 AM, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: Hi all, I have been making a presentation with the instructions and screen shots to make Sugar on a Stick. I have written up my progress so far on [1] and placed three screen shots here [2] [3] [4]. A previous working title has been Sugar Stick Builder. I cannot find a one or two word title that fits the job. I think that my biggest blocker to opening my first github repository and getting this uploaded, is fixing a name. Can anyone help me to decide the title for this Activity, please? With thanks in advance. Iain [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/SoaS_Writer [2] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/soaswriterlaunching1.php [3] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/soaswriterlaunching2.php [4] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/soaswriterat-work.php ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel It is also possible to just run the command: liveusb-creator in root terminal after # dnf install liveusb-creator is run. The new USB-creator will not show the PC harddrive just the USB's as they are inserted and removed. It also allows a (dd) overtwrite option [5] or the traditional ability to set a persistence file. Thanks for pointing out that liveusb-creator has been upgraded. I will test it. Iain It would be nice to have a sugar-zed icon for this as a activity. (An .xo wrapper to make it an activity.) Tom Gilliard satellit [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_22#liveusb-creator ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Please note that other than the word 'Bundle all of the added words to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 are foreign language names. Very often there are suggestions offered by the new Poolte UI (from other lists of language names) , which should allow a native speaker to go through these very quickly indeed. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Martin Abente Lahaye t...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Hi, I am translating Sugar to Polish and I am really glad, my submissions will be used in Sugar :-) Regards, czw., 26 lut 2015 o 15:48 użytkownik Chris Leonard c...@sugarlabs.org napisał: Please note that other than the word 'Bundle all of the added words to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 are foreign language names. Very often there are suggestions offered by the new Poolte UI (from other lists of language names) , which should allow a native speaker to go through these very quickly indeed. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Martin Abente Lahaye t...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick, USB-HowTo as an Activity, in Home view.
On 02/26/2015 07:08 AM, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: Hi all, I have been making a presentation with the instructions and screen shots to make Sugar on a Stick. I have written up my progress so far on [1] and placed three screen shots here [2] [3] [4]. A previous working title has been Sugar Stick Builder. I cannot find a one or two word title that fits the job. I think that my biggest blocker to opening my first github repository and getting this uploaded, is fixing a name. Can anyone help me to decide the title for this Activity, please? With thanks in advance. Iain [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/SoaS_Writer [2] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/soaswriterlaunching1.php [3] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/soaswriterlaunching2.php [4] http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/soaswriterat-work.php ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel It is also possible to just run the command: liveusb-creator in root terminal after # dnf install liveusb-creator is run. The new USB-creator will not show the PC harddrive just the USB's as they are inserted and removed. It also allows a (dd) overtwrite option [5] or the traditional ability to set a persistence file. It would be nice to have a sugar-zed icon for this as a activity. (An .xo wrapper to make it an activity.) Tom Gilliard satellit [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_22#liveusb-creator ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Wonderful! Let me know how it goes with sugar, would be great to have it in the release :) On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:32 AM, samson goddy samsongo...@hotmail.com wrote: Nice, i just completed the Igbo language for Terminal and sugar-toolkit-gtk, and hopefully, i will get the other guys to finish the translation for both igbo and yoruba, Thanks again Martin for you generous support. Regards Samson Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ -- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:24:26 -0300 From: t...@sugarlabs.org To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; c...@sugarlabs.org; localizat...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] bye !
If only we could have figured out a way to bottle you and distribute you like Coca Cola. Your alumnae tell the whole story. Thank you. -walter 2015-02-26 1:03 GMT-05:00 Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org: Es importante saber y poder emponderar a los chicos, creo que los chicos se sintieron alumnos pasivos y a la hora de emprender se vieron intimidados con el reto. Creo que es normal, sobretodo si el trabajo sabe a escuela. Otro quizas seria el objetivo o la meta, creo que un premio o una vision es lo que hara que los chicos se avienten a tener algo al final del camino. Lo digo por que cuando era chico, me meti a estudiar programacion por que hicieron un demo de robotica y como en los 80's los robots, y animatronicos eran la moda. Claro que querias tener el dominio de todo eso, y eso me motivo a estar por algunos anios e inclusive pasarme horas trucando un videojuego (tenia 11 anios). Recuerdo que al salir de clases, en la noche veia una serie llamada automan que era una recarga de baterias motivacionales a seguirle dando a la commodore 64. (lo se, ya mostre mi edad a tambor y fanfarria). Pero bueno a los que les haya tocado aqui dejo el video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ec7qIaUo68 2015-02-26 0:52 GMT-05:00 nanon...@mediagala.com: On 25/02/2015 22:56, Flavio Danesse wrote: Si verdaderamente se quiere cambiar el mundo, no se necesitan más computadoras ni más programadores, lo que se necesitan son personas distintas. - Te mando un gran saludo, Flavio, y te felicito por todo lo que hiciste estos años con tantos chicos que ahora seguramente ahora son personas distintas como comentabas. Creo que el sólo hecho de de que haya chicos que ahora tienen la cabeza más abierta a resolver nuevos problemas que les pone la vida es un logro más que meritorio, creo que tus esfuerzos y tu trabajo han dado buenísimos resultados. Vos decías en tu mensaje que no lograste todos tus objetivos al 100%, pero creo que ese es el sentido de la vida, tener siempre algo que nos quedó por hacer , alguna otra nueva meta o logro que queremos hacer en un futuro. Cualquier meta que te hubieses puesto no podrías haberla logrado nunca al 100%, ya que creo que el sueño de todo Maestro es que sus alumnos lo superen en un futuro, y creo que abriéndoles la cabeza al enseñarles programación lo has logrado. Lo que quiero decir es que si tus alumnos hubiesen hecho a rajatabla todo lo que habías planificado, en realidad ese no sería el objetivo último que vos te proponías, que era que fuesen mejores personas. Tu objetivo no era que te hicieran caso y que hicieran lo que les enseñabas y nada más, tu objetivo era que hicieran otras cosas nuevas y mejores de las que les enseñaste, y en ese sentido sí que has cumplido esa meta, o sea rumbearlos hacia la vida. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Planning for the future (Samuel Greenfeld)
+1 PS: 50% of the ideas came from you and Ignacio :) On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, +1 I think there are some ways to improve hardware independence. Integrating sugar with a display manager would make it work in many (traditional?) IT situations where you have computers with networked student accounts. Over the ensuing years, we have also made efforts to reach out in other ways, some more successful than others: Sugar has been ported to virtually every major flavor of GNU/Linux. As a community, it has been difficult to support all of those efforts, but some, such as Trisquel, rival Fedora, where we still do our development, in terms of stability. (We have lagged behind in our Ubuntu support; given its popularity this has been a tactical mistake.) We also initiated the Sugar on a Stick and Sugar in a virtual machine efforts, which opened the door to getting a taste of Sugar on iOS and MS Windows platforms. These products have matured and are well maintained. In anticipation of the tablet bubble, we added touch support to Sugar; (it works, but the good news is that most people serious about using tablets for learning are also including keyboards these days.) Sugar also runs nicely on Chromebooks, which are making some inroads into the classroom. Yeah, ubuntu is a big issue! And, as Lionel mentioned, already three years ago we began in earnest an effort to support Javascript as a first order language in Sugar so as to both invite a broader community of developers in and being to offer Sugar activities to users of web browsers and Android (eventually iPhone) devices. Lionel has expanded upon that effort to try to offer the whole Sugar experience, not just individual activities. This work is on-going and is the focus of our proposal to Google Summer of Code 2015. Yeah this is a really awesome movement. Just throwing around another opportunity idea, sugar activities are written in GTK, meaning it would be possible to make sugar activities work inside GNOME (or other DEs) as windows. Turtle does this, but it would be cool to expand this to a general library (#GSOC?). TB becoming a spin out is a great way to widen sugar's reach. Tb is an awesome first step towards coding, and export to python and stuff are great features that help in a further intro to coding. And it is worth noting that 50% of the patches in the latest Sugar release came from kids. Yeah, but did 50% of the ideas come from users? All of that said, our future is far from clear. OLPC and OLPC deployments have been the largest source of funding, albeit erratic, for Sugar development and maintenance. (We continue to get some funding from Google, Trip Advisor, et al., but these $s are not general funds for supporting developers and code maintenance.) It seems that the OLPC well is running dry (We have a few proposals circulating but none in hand at the moment.) We've gotten little support from other hardware vendors, I believe in part because many of them still see Sugar Labs as an extension of OLPC, with whom they were competing. Well why not do a needles ui/design change :). It would probably change people's perception if we changed the xo icon or something (a la android 5) and made ourselves less look connected to olpc. Not something to rush out and do without thinking, not something that we should waste development time on either, but an idea. So either Sugar Labs finds support for the core development team to remain focused full-time on Sugar or we scale back our release cycle to one that can be managed entirely by part-time volunteers. There are opportunities out there: for example, partnering with some of the classroom management solutions; finding funding for specific programs, such as Turtle Blocks, and finding more hardware partners. Meanwhile, we also need to keep Sugar relevant. I take the long view there, in that I think the core pedagogical ideas in Sugar are sound and that over time we'll be better situated to get these ideas into the hands of learners. (For example, Android is becoming more Sugar-friendly as it evolves.) Some of the reflection ideas that OLPC AU was pushing seemed really great. Hopefully they can get implemented. But I think whatever path we follow, consultation is the most important. One issue OLPCs and sugarlabs seems to have is the lack of consultation with students and teachers. It is great that we have some educational idea or have read some paper about education that an 'expert' has written, however we are making an OS for students and teachers. If the OS isn't helping students or if it confuses teachers, then what good is it really doing? We can load sugar with data collection tools and what not, but nothing replaces talking to teachers, watching how they use sugar, and asking what they want changed. In fact this is not unique to Sugar and OLPC. I am yet to use
[Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Hello, last week I was working with Walter Bender on new SugarLabs website, as current one is too old and doesn't have attractive UI. Results of our work is here: http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ New website is based on Bootstrap, with some plugins and self-written jQuery code. It uses Jekyll, so it doesn't need PHP anymore. We would like to ask you for opinions about this new website, for ideas what we can change/improve/add/fix. All suggestions are very welcome! Best, Tymon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fedora 22 Alpha Test Compose (SoaS 22)
Hi All, The first compose towards SoaS 22 is out [2][3][4]. I've done some very basic testing and there's problems even failing to start with the following Activities: * Terminal * Speak * Pippy * Ruler So if someone could look and see why that would be fab! Also there's a plan to move to Libinput for F-22+. We have an option, at least at the moment to stick with the old input devices but it would be good for someone to review. Basically it doesn't impact standard use but the configuration of input devices so I'm not sure if the Keyboard control panel would need to be updated. Also a reminder we've dropped anything depending on sugar-presence-service (eToys) by default so if people really want it the time is now to get it fixed! Peter [1] fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg [2] ARM https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8406/9078406/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22_Alpha-TC6-sda.raw.xz [3] x86_64 https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8357/9078357/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22_Alpha-TC6.iso [4] i686 https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/8353/9078353/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22_Alpha-TC6.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on a Stick, USB-HowTo as an Activity, in Home view.
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 16:53 +, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 08:02 -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote: ... It is also possible to just run the command: liveusb-creator in root terminal after # dnf install liveusb-creator is run. The new USB-creator will not show the PC harddrive just the USB's as they are inserted and removed. It also allows a (dd) overtwrite option [5] or the traditional ability to set a persistence file. Thanks for pointing out that liveusb-creator has been upgraded. I will test it. I have not previously tested liveusb-creator because of this comment on [1]: ...Live USB Creator (This installation method is NOT recommended for LONG-TERM usage of Sugar on a Stick!! Catastrophic data corruption may occur when the USB stick gets full! See why.) Is this critique regarded as valid? Is it the case that liveusb-creator makes *one only* persistent storage area, with zero Home filesystem as opposed to livecd-iso-to-disk creating two? With thanks, Iain [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Windows Iain It would be nice to have a sugar-zed icon for this as a activity. (An .xo wrapper to make it an activity.) Tom Gilliard satellit [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_22#liveusb-creator ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2]http:// people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3]qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list [7]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel References: [1] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon [2] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon [3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png [6] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Hello, please try to visit http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on a Stick, USB-HowTo as an Activity, in Home view.
On 02/26/2015 02:28 PM, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 16:53 +, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 08:02 -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote: ... It is also possible to just run the command: liveusb-creator in root terminal after # dnf install liveusb-creator is run. The new USB-creator will not show the PC harddrive just the USB's as they are inserted and removed. It also allows a (dd) overtwrite option [5] or the traditional ability to set a persistence file. Thanks for pointing out that liveusb-creator has been upgraded. I will test it. I have not previously tested liveusb-creator because of this comment on [1]: ...Live USB Creator (This installation method is NOT recommended for LONG-TERM usage of Sugar on a Stick!! Catastrophic data corruption may occur when the USB stick gets full! See why.) Is this critique regarded as valid? Is it the case that liveusb-creator makes *one only* persistent storage area, with zero Home filesystem as opposed to livecd-iso-to-disk creating two? Live USB Creator has a new feature is allowing a destructive (dd) install to USB [1] This is a safer way to move the xxx.iso to a USB and make it bootable. look at the referenced .png and the wiki page link a gave earlier [2] The fedora 21 installer (root terminal in sugar:#liveinst is shown with screenshots and narration here [3] If you choose persistence and move slider it is only persistent for a short time and does corrupt and stop eventually. For a slow but really persistent USB install to a 8 GB usb ext4 with no swap with liveinst I use external USB HD all the time to install to and they are cheap and quite large these days. Tom Gilliard satellit [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Cinnamon_liveusb-creator_f21.png [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Liveusb_Creator [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_21#Fedora-21_anaconda_21.48.1-1_installer With thanks, Iain [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Windows Iain It would be nice to have a sugar-zed icon for this as a activity. (An .xo wrapper to make it an activity.) Tom Gilliard satellit [5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_22#liveusb-creator ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Hello Eduardo, You should be able to submmit translations to all Portuguese projects now [1]. Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/pt/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Eduardo H. Silva hoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, can I have translating rights for pt-PT? I had them in the old pootle, but my account didn't migrate to new one one, so I created a fresh HoboPrimate account. Thanks, Eduardo 2015-02-26 15:02 GMT+00:00 Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com: Hi, I am translating Sugar to Polish and I am really glad, my submissions will be used in Sugar :-) Regards, czw., 26 lut 2015 o 15:48 użytkownik Chris Leonard c...@sugarlabs.org napisał: Please note that other than the word 'Bundle all of the added words to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 are foreign language names. Very often there are suggestions offered by the new Poolte UI (from other lists of language names) , which should allow a native speaker to go through these very quickly indeed. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Martin Abente Lahaye t...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Process of updating translations for sugar and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
Thanks Tymon! Your contributions are appreciated! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am translating Sugar to Polish and I am really glad, my submissions will be used in Sugar :-) Regards, czw., 26 lut 2015 o 15:48 użytkownik Chris Leonard c...@sugarlabs.org napisał: Please note that other than the word 'Bundle all of the added words to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 are foreign language names. Very often there are suggestions offered by the new Poolte UI (from other lists of language names) , which should allow a native speaker to go through these very quickly indeed. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Martin Abente Lahaye t...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello Everyone, Following with our roadmap [1], next week on March 6, I will release sugar 0.104.1 with improved translations from sugar [2] and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 [3]. So far, I have pushed translations for Dutch and Polish which are 100% complete. There are other languages ie., Hindi, which are very close to completion. Would be great if we could complete as many languages as possible before March 6 to do QA on these translations before the release. Many thanks to those who contributed with these translations so far! Regards, Martin. Refs: 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap 2. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/ 3. http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
