Re: [Sugar-devel] Requirements: Applying as mentor of Sugar Labs in Google Code-in'18

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam <
ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Vaibhav Gupta,
>
> Being a mentor for this years GCI requires that you're a contributor to
> sugarlabs, take a look at the list below - by James Cameron -
> Looking forward to your contributions. Thanks.
>

That's a great list below!  Is this on the web somewhere hopefully?

New to Sugar Labs?  Unlock these achievements in any order;
>
> 1.  Use Sugar or Sugarizer,
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/
> how-can-i-help.md
>
> * by using Sugar or Sugarizer you will learn how it works, and
>   what can be improved.
>
> * mandatory,
>
> 2.  Read our Code of Conduct,
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/
> CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md
>
> * mandatory,
>
> 3.  Join the developer mailing list,
>
> https://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
> * for asking questions and helping others,
>
> * don't use digest mode if you plan to post messages or replies,
>   as it breaks threads, and please try to keep discussions public,
>
> * mandatory,
>
> 4.  Get a GitHub account,
>
> https://github.com/
>
> * for reporting issues, and fixing problems in source code,
>
> * recommended,
>
> 5.  Join the Sugar Labs GitHub organisation,
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs
>
> * for regular source code contributors, and reviewers, by
>   invitation, contact one of the existing members,
>
> * helpful for mail notification of GitHub activity,
>
> * optional,
>
> 6.  Join as a Member of Sugar Labs,
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members
>
> * requires some contribution; code, documentation, translations,
>   maintenance, running a Sugar deployment, or any other
>   non-trivial activities which benefit Sugar Labs,
>
> * reviewed by committee,
>
> * optional,
>
> 7.  Get a wiki.sugarlabs.org account,
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/
>
> * needed for maintaining Wiki content,
>
> * needed as part of moving Wiki content to GitHub,
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> * for subscribing to edit notifications.
>
> * optional,
>
> 8.  Get an activities.sugarlabs.org account,
>
> https://activities.sugarlabs.org/
>
> * needed for releasing new versions of Sugar activities,
>
> * optional,
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> 9.  Get a shell.sugarlabs.org account,
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/shell#Requesting_a_shell_account
>
> * requires a justification,
>
> * may also provide @sugarlabs.org mail address,
>
> * for releasing new versions of Sugar components, test builds,
>   large data sets, or public git hosting,
>
> * for limited experimentation with non-root network services, such
>   as bots or IRC proxies,
>
> * optional,
>
> 10. Get a translate.sugarlabs.org account,
>
> https://translate.sugarlabs.org/
>
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>
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>   this will inform your translations,
>
> * optional,
>
> 11. Get a bugs.sugarlabs.org account,
>
> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/
>
> * only if you must maintain old bug reports,
>
> * new issues may be reported via GitHub,
>
> * optional,
>
> 12. Join Sugar on Fedora live system mailing list,
>
> https://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
>
> * download, test, report bugs, fix bugs, package,
>
> * share your experience with others who focus on this
>   distribution,
>
> * optional,
>
> 13. Join Sugar on Debian mailing lists,
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.
> md#packaging
>
> * download, test, report bugs, fix bugs, package,
>
> * share your experience with others who focus on this distribution,
>
> * optional,
>
> 14. Join the Internet Relay Chat channel #sugar
>
> irc://irc.freenode.net/#sugar
>
> * for synchronous chat with others,
>
> * requires registration with freenode.net,
>
> * optional,
>
> 15. Join the Internet Relay Chat channel #sugar-meeting
>
> irc://irc.freenode.net/#sugar-meeting
> http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/
>
> * for meetings, but keep your own transcripts and minutes,
>
> * requires registration with freenode.net,
>
> * optional,
>
> 16. Maintain an Activity
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/
> contributing.md#checklist---maintainer
>
> * many learner focused activities (apps) need simple maintenance,
>
> * adopt an activity you like as your focus.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> --
>
> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 2:08 PM VAIBHAV GUPTA 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am Vaibhav, a computer science undergraduate researcher from IIIT
>> Hyderabad. This past summer, I was software developer intern at Google
>> Summer of Code where my task was to built a complete tool, including an
>> administrative interface for 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> buying a one-way ticket on one airline for the first direction and a
> one-way ticket on another for the return can often save money.
>

Not true for international long-haul flights, where it dramatically
increases the price in most all cases.

This is a common misunderstanding :/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Adam Holt]

It turns out this motion is not necessary in the end:

Jaskirat Singh's Washington, DC to New Delhi, India return flight (November
~9, more than 4 weeks after he arrives on October 10) is indeed
substantially more expensive than general policy allows, as open-jaw tickets
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-jaw_ticket> are dramatically more
expensive than round-trip flights in general, in this case as compared to
the intended GSoC India to San Francisco round-trip flight.

However, the DC-to-India flight was fully paid for by an anonymous donor
today, who prefers to remain anonymous.

Please all give thanks to the donor, understanding that they prefer to
remain anonymous, as this will not be a repeat occurrence,

Adam


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> Okay.
>
> Looking forward to see some pictures of your experience.
>
> +1.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 5:18 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> Carly and maybe me. I don't know any other details.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:05 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm not trying to be mean or something, but wondering who is he meeting
>>> from SugarLabs?
>>>
>>> > (to visit some Sugar Labs people and his cousin in DC.)
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:20 PM Samson Goddy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seconded,
>>>>
>>>> I believe that members should  use opportunities like Gsoc to Meetup
>>>> fellow members.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:17 PM Walter Bender 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Background: Google has provided SL with $3000 towards mentor travel to
>>>>> the October summit. ($3300 - the SFC 10%) although we have yet to receive
>>>>> $1100 of the funds. We have also received $5400 in mentor "stipends" 
>>>>> ($6000
>>>>> - the SFC 10%). As you may recall, we are sending three people, Devin,
>>>>> Jaskirat, and Shrivank. Only Jaskirat is traveling internationally, so the
>>>>> best estimate is that the travel will come in on budget. As we did last
>>>>> year, we could apply some of the mentor stipend $$ to cover any overruns.
>>>>> (Note we have already approved a previous motion to approve a travel
>>>>> advance for Jaskirat to attend the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in
>>>>> October 2018. [1])
>>>>>
>>>>> The SFC estimates a cost increase in Jaskirat's ticket of $400-$500
>>>>> due to his intention to travel some while in the States (to visit some
>>>>> Sugar Labs people and his cousin in DC.) Jaskirat is paying for his
>>>>> domestic travel, but the round trip in and out of SF is apparently less
>>>>> expensive, hence the need for SLOB approval. IMHO, we should be extending
>>>>> opportunities for community members whenever possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Motion: To approve the additional cost associated with Jaskirat's
>>>>> ticket to and from the GSoC summit as calculated by the SFC. If for some
>>>>> reason the total budget for GSoC summit travel exceeds $3000, we can apply
>>>>> Jaskirat's and my share of the GSoC mentor stipend to cover the overrun.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is somewhat timely as tickets need to be purchased.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-
>>>>> August/055603.html
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>>>> From: Brett Smith via RT 
>>>>> Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [sfconservancy.org #1845] Additional US flight
>>>>> expenditures for Jaskirat Singh
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Cc: 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/18/2018 12:46 PM, Adam Holt via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Brett Smith via RT <
>>>>> approv...@tix.sfconservancy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam and team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaskirat Singh is planning additional travel in the US after the GSoC
>>>>>> mentor summit. Some of it is personal,
>>>>>
>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GCI 2018

[Adam Holt]

+1

I've notified SFConservancy that Sugar Labs is moving forward here, in case
they can be of assistance with some of the new GCi policies etc.


On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:32 PM, Rishabh Thaney 
wrote:

> Seconded. I'm also interested in mentoring this year.
>
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 5:08 AM, Jaskirat Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks,
>> I too will be interested in being a mentor this year.
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018, 2:22 am Lionel Laské,  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 22:46, Samson Goddy  a
>>> écrit :
>>>
 I am interested in becoming a mentor this year.

 so +1 from me.

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 9:43 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
 wrote:

> I'll second.
> I'll have more time this year to mentor and be admin if required.
>
> Greetings,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 5:42 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> We seem to have sufficient interest from the community to apply to
>> Google Code-in again this year. Lots of returning mentors and some 
>> students
>> who have morphed into mentors as well. But I will not apply w/o SLOB
>> approval.
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs will apply to participate in Google Code-in 2018.
>> Walter will be the primary administrator.
>>
>> Time in of the essence as the schedule this year has applications
>> starting this week, so please respond ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Motion]Re: [SLOB] approval needed for Bender's GCI travel expenses

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Lionel Laské  wrote:

> +1
>
> Lionel
>
> 2018-07-07 14:56 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>
>> I'll second it
>>
>> El sáb., 7 de jul. de 2018 08:47, Samson Goddy 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Dear SLOBs,
>>>
>>> Motion: To approve Walter's $614.03 reimbursement request. I would like
>>> if this motion will be seconded. So we can process to voting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 3:55 AM Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Fellow oversight board members,

 I would appreciate if someone would propose a motion as per Bradley's
 email below so that I can get reimbursed for my travel to the Google Mentor
 Summit.

 thx.

 -walter

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: Bradley M. Kuhn via RT 
 Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:04 PM
 Subject: [sfconservancy.org #898] SLOBS approval needed for Bender's
 GCI travel expenses.
 To: 


 Walter Bender via RT wrote on Sunday,  1 July:
 > As you know, Google sponsors one mentor from each participating org to
 > attend the summit and the costs of the trip are passed through to Google.
 ...
 > Please contact me if you have any further questions.

 This assessment is actually no longer accurate, and as such, we need
 approval from SLOBs to proceed with the travel reimbursement, just like we
 do with any other.  Adam, could you as Representative communicate that 
 SLOBs
 approved $614.03 for Walter's travel.

 Reasons we need such approval are below:

 The information that Walter relied on to write the above is out of date.  A
 few years ago, Google changed the nature of the way payments are made for
 GCI and GSoC.  While, informally, Google requests that a certain part of 
 the
 payments be used for travel expenses for the GCI and GSoC Mentor Summits
 (respectively) there is no longer a formal requirement, agreement, nor
 arrangement that requires Conservancy (and its Sugar Labs project) to use
 these funds for that purpose.  Sugar Labs could use the funds for any
 purpose that fits within the project and Conservancy's charitable mission.
 Thus, under the FSA with Conservancy, it's up to Sugar Labs to recommend
 that how we spend the funds.

 As you decide on whether you'd like to pay the funds for this purpose, note
 that Bender's expenses are substantially less than the amount given as a
 donation for GCI.  Sugar received $7,380.00 total for its participation in
 GCI 2017

 Finally, please avoid the phrase "pass through" with regard to funds at
 Conservancy.  Regardless of any specific donation situation, Conservancy
 *does not* do any activity as a "pass through" fiscal sponsor.  That phrase
 has specific meaning in USA-non-profit circles and that's never what we're
 doing here, no matter what.



 Meanwhile, Walter, there's a receipt missing:

 > $25 Baggage fee*

 > * My restricted fare on United did not allow me any luggage beyond a
 > personal bag for my laptop. I managed on the way out, but could not
 > manage on the way back, hence I had to check a bag.

 This is within policy, but it does require a receipt when proposed as a
 stand-alone expense.  It looks like you didn't attach the receipt.  (I
 noticed you attached the same file twice, so I suspect that there is 
 another
 file of receipts we haven't gotten yet).

 AFIAK, all major airline give a receipt for checked luggage at the time 
 they
 collect payment.  If you lost that, in my experience, you can get the
 receipt from the airline's website from your account after the fact.

 Please send along the $25 receipt.  Everything else seems well documented.

 Note in future you don't need to include receipts for M please take a
 look at the travel policy section regarding that:
   
 https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-travel-policy.html



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Re: [Sugar-devel] licensing question

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> We are struggling with a licensing question [1] and were hoping that the
> SFC might be able to advise us. Can you please reach out to them in your
> role as liaison?
>

I've emailed Karen Sandler (SFConservancy) asking how/who we should
approach -

Adam

thx
>
> -walter
>
> [1] https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues/48
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [Sur] [IAEP] [SLOB] Action required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Fri, May 11, 2018, 7:44 PM Claudia Urrea  wrote:

> + 1
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 6:18 PM, rosamel norma ramirez mendez <
> rosano...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Descarga Outlook para iOS 
>> --
>> *From:* olpc-Sur  on behalf of Walter
>> Bender 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:01:59 PM
>> *To:* Lionel Laské
>> *Cc:* Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y
>> administradores; SLOBs; Samson Goddy; iaep
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sur] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] Action
>> required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 12:32 PM Lionel Laské 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> BTW I'm agree with Caryl, the idea is to use this "honorarium" to defray
>>> his costs. Not considering it as a payment/salary/reward.
>>> I'm not at all a big fan of the use of word "honorarium", it's not the
>>> philosophy of SugarLabs to giving money to someone to represent SugarLabs.
>>> It's even dangerous: in few months a guy could ask us to pay him because
>>> he represented SugarLabs during a conference.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what the proper term should be, but this "honorarium" was
>> not solicited by Devin, but rather, it was offered by the school. It is
>> quite customary for this sort of thing in some cultures. Devin asked that
>> the money be routed through the SFC so that at least some of it would go
>> towards the support of SFC/SL.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>> Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-05-10 3:55 GMT+02:00 Carlos mauro :
>>>
 +1

 El mié., 9 may. 2018 1:41 p. m., Walter Bender 
 escribió:

> +1
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:11 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] [SLOB] workshop travel motion

[Adam Holt]

+1 if it's clarified where public community reporting will take place, e.g.
in the form of blog post(s) @ https://musicblocks.net

or any such/similar.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Chris Leonard 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> As always, I am ready to assist with i18n/L10n efforts as needed.  In the
>> past we've had an active Japanese localizer, but it has not been a priority
>> language for recruiting.  Efforts like this are wonderful opportunities to
>> reach out to an online language community at other projects to let them
>> know that their work is destined in real-time for a particular audience,
>> which can be quite motivating.  It is also an opportunity to recruit new
>> stakeholders to the L10n effort to benefit all.
>>
>> https://translate.sugarlabs.org/ja/
>>
>
> Devin speaks Japanese and has been working with a colleague from Japan who
> is familiar with all of the specialized music terms so for the moment, we
> are in good shape. (Devin also translated the guide into Japanese.)
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> cjl
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Devin Ulibarri is returning from Japan, where he ran a number of Music
>>> Blocks workshops. While he was there, he also met with METI (the Japanese
>>> ministry of economics, trade, and industry), which has a interest in STEM
>>> education and with whom he initiated talks about doing a large-scale
>>> initiative in Japan. He has been invited back to follow up on the work at a
>>> school in Yolohama and to have follow-up meetings with METI. He is
>>> requesting funds to support his travel:
>>>
>>> * between US $800-1200 for airfare; and
>>> * approximately $40 for local transportation in Japan
>>>
>>> He has accomodations accounted for and hence does need funds for a hotel.
>>>
>>> Motion 2018-02: Provide Devin Ulibarri with travel money for March
>>> workshops and follow-up meetings in Japan of an amount not exceeding US
>>> $1250.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Additional background on the trip privided by Devin can be found below:
>>>
>>> The main gist is that the Yokohama Frontier High School (
>>> http://www.edu.city.yokohama.lg.jp/school/hs/sfh/index.cfm/37,html)
>>> does special science festivals about once a year and they would like me to
>>> be their special guest in March (3/16). For planning purposes (and for the
>>> best airfare rate), it is important to know whether the airfare would be
>>> paid for in advance. I asked if they have a budget to pay for airfare for
>>> their guests and they do not.
>>>
>>> I will try to schedule one or two additional meetings around that time
>>> as well, if possible. For example, I would like to meet with METI (Ministry
>>> of Economics, Trade, and Industry) once, perhaps the Friday before, and try
>>> to do a couple workshop at a middle school in Tokyo that expressed interest.
>>>
>>> It is the same school as described in these blogs:
>>>
>>> https://musicblocks.net/2018/01/02/translation-of-yokohama-s
>>> cience-frontier-blog-article-of-devins-visit-on-12-16-2017/
>>>
>>> https://musicblocks.net/2018/01/02/devins-travels-in-japan/
>>>
>>> (They were impressed with the initial showcase, so they asked me back to
>>> be the special guest in March. That is how this got started.)
>>>
>>> The school is asking for various information (e.g. translated bio,
>>> translated C.V. and Resume), which I am preparing right now. I am almost
>>> complete with all of the documents, including a "What is Music Blocks?"
>>> slideshow presentation in Japanese, of which the most recent draft(s) may
>>> be accessed at:
>>>
>>> https://owncloud.libretools.com/index.php/s/huL6h3MgPf7e9g8
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
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[Sugar-devel] "Show sample projects" button in Physics activity v32.1 on OLPC OS 13.2.9

[Adam Holt]

Just FYI the Physics activity has a button in the top-right ("Show sample
projects") that momentarily flashes a large black rectangle onto the
screen, but does not proceed.

This was tested in Physics activity version 32.1 on OLPC OS 13.2.9 on
XO-1.5 and XO-1.75, by right-clicking and also with a (regular)
left-clicking on the button.

Is there a known workaround to load sample projects possibly?

And/or should we document this in
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.9#Known_Problems ?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [Sur] [IAEP] email motion 2017-19

[Adam Holt]

+1 from an "offline education" MiniApp-a-Thon @ Minneapolis, preventing me
from attending yesterday's meeting, my apologies-

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:47 AM, rosamel norma ramirez mendez <
rosano...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> + 1
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El 2 dic. 2017, a la(s) 00:14, Ignacio Rodríguez 
> escribió:
>
> +1 from me, Claudia seems to be a potential candidate :)
>
> El vie., 1 de dic. de 2017 6:17 PM, Samson Goddy 
> escribió:
>
>> Sorry guys, I ran into some internet issue. +1 for me
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2017 9:47 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sorry I was online one hour too late. Stupid error on DST.
>>>
>>> +1 for me for this motion.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-12-01 20:35 GMT+01:00 Walter Bender :
>>>
 Motion: To appoint Claudia Urrea to the oversight-board seat that
 opened due to the resignation of Laura Vargas. This temporary appointment
 would last until the next oversight board election in 2018.

 This was discussed at today's oversight-board meeting [1], but since we
 lacked a quorum we could not take a vote. Hence this email. Please respond
 ASAP.

 The gist of the discussion was:

  #topic replacing Laura on the board
  Laura Vargas has resigned her seat on the board. I think
 we should fill the vacancy with a temporary appointment.
  Her seat was up in fall 2018.
  So it would be a 9-10 month appointment.
  I propose Claudia Urrea
  for several reasons:
  (1) she got the most votes in the last election (missing
 a seat on the board by just one vote)
  (2) she is very experienced with Sugar and our target
 audience
  (3) she brings academic and education experience to the
 mix
  (4) she is a thoughtful, long-term contributor to the
 community
  (5) and she is a very respectful colleague

 Her state of objects from the last election can be found at [2].

 regards.

 -walter

 [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/
 2017-12-01T19:05:26
 [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-
 2019-candidates#Claudia_Urrea

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Adam Holt]

I greatly support the gist of Walter's motion, and but before I vote would
like clarification:

In order to fully protect Sugar Labs, Walter do we have written
documentation (in public or not, but somewhere in our hands) that the XO
trademark artwork is (as stated in the motion) "currently licensed under
the GPL" ?

Do you know who specifically is/was the source of this GPL declaration?

Separately (if possible!) has this been reviewed as valid by legal counsel?

*Thanks for clarifying what you can!*

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Sep 15, 2017 3:12 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The discussion regarding the status of the xo-computer icon seems to be
> going around  in circles. In my opinion, this makes it even more imperative
> that the Sugar Labs oversight board respond to Tony's questions so that
> Tony can proceed with his investigation in to our options.
>
> To state the obvious, this discussion is not about whether or not we can
> change the xo-computer icon -- we can do that at any time in consultation
> with our design team. The discussion is about whether or not we make that
> decision on our own terms or be forced into a change.
>
> Motion: To answer the questions posed by the SFC regarding the xo-computer
> icon as follows:
> (Q1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does
> the SLOBs want to keep it there?
> (A1) The xo-computer icon has been part of Sugar since we first designed
> and built Sugar (beginning in 2006) and we would like to keep it there
> until such time as the design team decides there is a reason to change it.
> (Q2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork: what
> outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen?  E.g.,
> - Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify
> Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the
> program?
> - Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and
> redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to
> Sugar?
> (A2) Sugar Artwork, including the xo-computer icon, is currently licensed
> under the GPL and we would like our downstream users to be able to use all
> of our artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use of any
> trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no opinion.
>
> I'd appreciate if someone would second this motion and, if it passes, the
> results be reported to Tony by Adam, our SFC liaison. Of course, if the
> motion does not pass, we will need to continue the discussion.
>
> I second the motion.
>
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:48 PM
> Subject: [SLOB] xo-computer icon
> To: SLOBs <sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel <sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
>
>
> As probably most of you are aware, yesterday one of our community members
> unilaterally changed the xo-computer icon in sugar-artwork. The ensuing
> discussion about the change is in the github pull request, "Urgent fix
> logos", [1]
>
> The gist of his concern is that OLPC has a trademark on the XO artwork [2]
> and there was concern that we were infringing and consequently downstream
> users would also be infringing.
>
> As Sean Daly points out, this is not the first time that the topic has
> come up [3, 4]. "In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo
> in Sugar, but asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal
> co-branding licensing agreement."
>
> Personally, I think that OLPC was explicit in making the Sugar artwork
> available under a GPL licence and that this is hence moot. But I am not
> qualified to make that assessment. Consequently, I asked Adam Holt, our SFC
> liaison, to raise the issue with the legal team. Tony asked us to consider
> the following questions:
>
> 1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does
> the SLOBs want to keep it there?
> 2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork:  what
> outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen?  E.g.,
> - Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify
> Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the
> program?
> - Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and
> redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to
> Sugar?
>
> The answer to the first part of Tony's first question is that the XO logo
> was part of Sugar from the very beginning -- before Sugar Labs was split
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: To apply to GCI 2017.

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

> +1
>
>  Lionel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:13 AM +0200, "Samson Goddy" <
> samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 3:37 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>>
>> Hello SLOBs,
>>
>> Walter has mentioned we as SLOB's should decide whether or not Sugar Labs
>> will participate in GCI 2017.
>>
>> I was a Code In mentor back in 2013 and I remember it was a nice
>> experience with a lot of work but rewarded to see Ignacio winning :D
>>
>> So, I think we should keep supporting this program.
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs to participate on GCI 2017.
>>
>> Any second?
>>
>> I Second the motion, it is important we participate.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
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>>
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>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> FYI Laura,
>
> I did not receive any training/mentoring and as far as I know nobody else
> in Sugar Labs has either.  I have published all the ledger commands here,
> that I know of to hopefully get you started: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> archive/iaep/2017-August/019935.html
>
> PS a quarterly financial report makes Far More Sense that monthly voodoo /
> feel-good economics, when most transactions are reported at highly
> uncertain times many months after the fact.  20 hours...
>

Clarif: 20 hours/month of anybody's time [is a bad use of anybody's time in
my opinion, to accomplish the stated goal of a quarterly financial report]

to repeatedly run the same numbers is an extremely bad use of anybody's
> time in my opinion, particularly as there are many months with no
> transactions at all.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-08 7:39 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
>>>> possible:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for
>>>> GSoC visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as
>>>> happened around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> Am puzzled.
>>>
>>> If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13>
>>> was not to approve the travel,
>>>
>>>
>>> You are confusing apples and oranges.
>>>
>>> Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to
>>> Samson for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large
>>> personal loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could
>>> disappear, if for example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what
>>> happened in June with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch
>>> conference.
>>>
>>> Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting
>>> Samson should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit
>>> in the San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is
>>> hopefully sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the
>>> coming week.
>>>
>>> why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?
>>>
>>>
>>> So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
>>> mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
>>> assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).
>>>
>>> How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of
>>> continually relitigating the past?
>>>
>>> Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
>>>
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> *Thanks to your clarification I know understand you are only requiring
>> documentation and not a transaction and I guess that is OK.*
>>
>> Although I have been granted access to Sugar Labs ledger file, I still
>> have no training nor knowledge to use the commands to obtain reports and
>> publish them properly in the wiki so that community can have access to
>> Sugar Labs Financial reports.
>>
>> If you are willing to mentor me in the use of the ledger commands, I may
>> be able to dedicate weekly time to the Financial Manager position and
>> assume the responsibility of learning and documenting all the how to's for
>> publishing Sugar Labs financial reports at the wiki :D
>>
>> *Motion: To appoint Sugar Labs Oversight Board member Laura Vargas as
>> Sugar Labs Financial Manager with a monthly stipend of US$ 200 in
>> accordance with *AGREED MOTION 2017-13*. *
>>
>> I hope we can work together and publish solid financial reports soon.
>> Feel free to modify up or down the amount of the stipend. I estimated this
>> task will require to start at least twenty (20) monthly hours of high
>> concentration since I have to learn all the procedures.
>>
>> I also hope to count with anyone interested in making this process
>> automated from the ledger file to the wiki publication in the mid-short
>> term.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[Adam Holt]

FYI Laura,

I did not receive any training/mentoring and as far as I know nobody else
in Sugar Labs has either.  I have published all the ledger commands here,
that I know of to hopefully get you started:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-August/019935.html

PS a quarterly financial report makes Far More Sense that monthly voodoo /
feel-good economics, when most transactions are reported at highly
uncertain times many months after the fact.  20 hours or anybody's time to
repeatedly run the same numbers is an extremely bad use of anybody's time
in my opinion, particularly as there are many months with no transactions
at all.


On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-08 7:39 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>
>> On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>> 2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
>>> possible:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for
>>> GSoC visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as
>>> happened around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>>>
>>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> Am puzzled.
>>
>> If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13> was
>> not to approve the travel,
>>
>>
>> You are confusing apples and oranges.
>>
>> Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to Samson
>> for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large personal
>> loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could disappear, if for
>> example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what happened in June
>> with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch conference.
>>
>> Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting
>> Samson should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit
>> in the San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is
>> hopefully sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the
>> coming week.
>>
>> why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?
>>
>>
>> So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
>> mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
>> assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).
>>
>> How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of
>> continually relitigating the past?
>>
>> Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
>>
>
> Adam,
>
> *Thanks to your clarification I know understand you are only requiring
> documentation and not a transaction and I guess that is OK.*
>
> Although I have been granted access to Sugar Labs ledger file, I still
> have no training nor knowledge to use the commands to obtain reports and
> publish them properly in the wiki so that community can have access to
> Sugar Labs Financial reports.
>
> If you are willing to mentor me in the use of the ledger commands, I may
> be able to dedicate weekly time to the Financial Manager position and
> assume the responsibility of learning and documenting all the how to's for
> publishing Sugar Labs financial reports at the wiki :D
>
> *Motion: To appoint Sugar Labs Oversight Board member Laura Vargas as
> Sugar Labs Financial Manager with a monthly stipend of US$ 200 in
> accordance with *AGREED MOTION 2017-13*. *
>
> I hope we can work together and publish solid financial reports soon. Feel
> free to modify up or down the amount of the stipend. I estimated this task
> will require to start at least twenty (20) monthly hours of high
> concentration since I have to learn all the procedures.
>
> I also hope to count with anyone interested in making this process
> automated from the ledger file to the wiki publication in the mid-short
> term.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:

> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
> ...
>
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
> visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
> around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>
>
Adam,

Am puzzled.

If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13> was
not to approve the travel,


You are confusing apples and oranges.

Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to Samson
for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large personal
loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could disappear, if for
example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what happened in June
with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch conference.

Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting Samson
should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit in the
San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is hopefully
sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the coming week.

why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?


So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).

How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of continually
relitigating the past?

Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
possible:

- July 12 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
- Aug 4 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
- Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
around mid-June with the French Embassy]

If possible, a response would also be appreciated to this email sent to
account...@sfconservancy.org :

- Aug 4 subject line "ACTION REQUIRED: GCI Grand Prize Trip and Org
Donations - Sugar Labs" [how do we work together to recover $9400 promised
by Google to account...@sfconservancy.org on April 14?]

Separately it would be extremely helpful if SFConservancy can clarify all
accounts that today continue have access to Sugar Labs' financials, and
whether it would (presumably) be very wise to deprecate several ancient
such accounts known to be created in 2008-to-2015.

Additionally can SFConservancy assist providing svn credentials to any
person(s) that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board chooses to be trustworthy
enough have live ongoing & historical access to Sugar Labs' financial
records.  I'd personally motion for Laura Vargas to have such access, and
hope that other SLOBS members could confirm such in a vote during the
coming week, so that SFConservancy can then proceed if Laura Vargas is
indeed dedicating herself to this intensive task.

PS if other Board members also require detailed financial access to all
records since 2008 (now or in future) and are fully willing to stand up to
all associated responsibilities (including spending extensive time learning
the "ledger" command and protecting privacy of all) then please make that
known.

Finally thank you to Karen Sandler for pointing out that Sugar Labs
Election/Membership Committee could probably do substantially better
communicating election candidates & results @
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2016-2017-candidates (or
similar) as was done in all prior years:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2013-2014-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Karen Sandler 
wrote:

>
> Hi SLOBs,
>
> Conservancy staff doesn't follow our member projects mailing lists - the
> proj...@sfconservancy.org are always the official communication point
> between Conservancy and its member projects. As I hope you can appreciate,
> we have 45 member projects (including Outreachy, which has around 80
> internships per year that we administer). This thread has come to our
> attention though, and I want to clear up a few things.
>
> * Good communication with Conservancy
>
> We rely on SLOBs and the official Sugar representative to let us know when
> you approve some action and need us to do something. For example, no one
> notified us of the election results earlier in this year. In researching
> the issues that came up today, we discovered that the election happened,
> and we will update our records under the Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (and
> the sugar@ alias) accordingly. We don't object to hiring someone to
> communicate with us or to rely on volunteers. If you do hire someone, we
> will rely on volunteers to let us know that the paid representative should
> be paid and that we can rely on their instructions (and then again if you
> decide not to have that person work for you anymore). We expect to
> communicate directly with the sugar@ alias and we cannot be expected to
> closely read mailing lists dedicated to other matters in case there is
> something mentioned that is relevant to us. We operate on a shoestring
> budget and have a staff of only 4 full time people.
>
> * Books and records
>
> As you know, we make our books available to Sugar on an ongoing basis,
> allowing you to generate your own reports. Until our accounts are closed
> for the year (and audited), there's a chance that transactions may not have
> been fully entered. Google recently switched payment methods for GCI and
> GSoC, and we haven't adjusted the bookkeeping on that yet, so it is lagging
> a bit. Google is regularly invoiced for all the GSoC and GCI funds for all
> projects, and we don't think there's any concern about payment from Google
> being uncertain. Google has never failed to pay Conservancy funds owed for
> our member projects.
>
> As we've mention before, if there is an item missing in the ledger that
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*


On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
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>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <nachoe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes!  This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*


Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>>>
>>>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>>>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> today
>>>>
>>>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>>>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>>>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That
>>>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his 
>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>>>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>>>> Goddy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>

Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
immediately !!

PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours from
now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.


> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel
> to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.
>
> Samson G
>
> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>
>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>
>>
>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>
>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>
>>
>> today
>>
>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That
>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>>>
>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>> Goddy."
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>
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>>>>
>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 9, 2017 6:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no


Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

(As you


...and we were (:

elected

to do, setting a tone for forward action — in whatever direction your
conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


today

as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
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>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no


Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

(As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


today

as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
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>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no today as Samson would need to fly to
Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday latest, to get everything in motion)
so does need to know what's happening ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks
All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
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>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
> get the visa.
>

My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:

"To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."

Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion, thereby
helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
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[Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

Please all who can support this motion, thank you for doing so, once [XXX]
is clarified below:

"To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by [XXX]."

Where [XXX] could be Scratch, Sugar Labs, or Samson Goddy -- accountants
don't like financial mystery meat, for very good reason ;)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
11/12.

Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.


On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:



On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
> second it so we can vote?
>
>
> Humbly Disagree.
>
> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>
> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.

>
> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
> *by
> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>

But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?

>
>
> Respecting All,
>
> Adam
>

BR

Samson

>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?


Humbly Disagree.

The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:

(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.

(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.

On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*

Respecting All,

Adam

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>> visa alone.
>>
>> Flight and other things connected.
>>
>>
> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
> ready yet...)
>
> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>> claims have insinuated.
>>
>>
>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>
>>
> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>
>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>
> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
> but there are in fact options in every price range.
>
> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
> like me.
>
> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
> let me try it.
>
> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>
>
> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>
>>
> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
> resourceful than most imagine.
>
> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>
>
> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>>
>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>> policies).
>>
>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>
>>
> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
> had this opportunity!
>
>
>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>> $500 ?)
>>
>>
> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>
> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
> me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
> purely for reimbursement.
>
> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
> alone.
>
> Flight and other things connected.
>
>
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching  in
> Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
> apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
> have insinuated.
>
>
> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>
>
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)

   http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701

Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.

Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>
>
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more resourceful
than most imagine.

As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
> respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>
> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
> policies).
>
> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it will
> make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
> Half is better than none.
>
>
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!


> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
> $500 ?)
>
>
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> I'd like to queue up this motion before our monthly meeting on Friday:
>
> Motion: Allocate $800 towards the expenses associated with Samson Goddy
> presenting Sugar at the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux, France in July 2017
> (See [1] for details).
>

This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.

Far worse, when in fact it can be done for less.

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.

As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:

1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).

2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens if
the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's visa
application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-$500 ?)

Important: There's absolutely no need to wait for a monthly meeting here,
so that Samson (or other urgent matters such as this) are not left waiting.


[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBe
> uBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] auditing our "IIAB/XSCE 6.2 Networking" overview

[Adam Holt]

Can I confirm that port 8000 is no longer needed by sugar-stats-server
within the current (imminent) release of XSCE/IIAB 6.2?

Profound thanks to all, including James Cameron who gave our table @
https://github.com/XSCE/xsce/wiki/IIAB-Networking a very solid 1st pass
below~


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:27 PM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 01:38:57PM -0500, Adam Holt wrote:
> > Are all the reserved ports here still in actual/ongoing use?
> >
> > Protocol   Port  Service
> >   TCP  3128squid / dansguardian
>
> Sugar 0.110 can use this now.  My Settings, Proxy.
>
> >   TCP  3130squid
>
> Sugar 0.110 can use this now.  My Settings, Proxy.
>
> >   TCP  5000xs-authserver
>
> Sugar 0.110 does not use this.  No reference to 5000 found.
>
> >   TCP4369,47893,5280,5222,5223 ejabberd-xs
>
> Sugar 0.110 can use this now, via Telepathy Gabble.
>
> >   TCP  8000sugar-stats-server
>
> Sugar 0.110 does not use this.  A custom branch of Sugar may have used
> it in the past, but the changes did not make it into Sugar.
>
> >   TCP  8080idmgr
>
> Sugar 0.110 does use this during registration.
> src/jarabe/desktop/schoolserver.py
>
> > Any suggestions for ports we should remove from this list, as
> > infrequently used in 2017 and onwards?
>
> Widen your net.  Please ask on sugar-devel@ if anybody needs
> 8000/sugar-stats-server, and remove it if you get no response.
>
> You might also refine that list of open ports to show which are open
> on an external network interface.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] Outreachy motion

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> 2017-02-13 19:02 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Laura suggested [1] that I make a formal motion to the board regarding
>>> Sugar Labs participation in Outreachy. Here it is:
>>>
>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to participate in Outreachy 14 in order to
>>> promote and support women and minority participation in FOSS projects. The
>>> cost would be $5500 for one internship. The funds would come from our
>>> general funds.
>>>
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> Before board members get to vote on General Funds, can you please share
>> the current balance of the General Funds account?
>>
>
# Balance of project [Sugar Labs'] account (i.e., total of income minus
paid expenses)

$ ledger -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal
'/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/'
   $ -299,299.52  Income:Sugar
$ 218,316.12  Expenses:Sugar

$ -80,983.40

# List unpaid invoices with amounts

$ ledger -f sugar.ledger -V  --group-by 'tag("Invoice")' bal /^Accrued/
Financial/Invoices/Google-SoC-2016/2016-11-18_Google-SoC-2016_omnibus-mentor-pay
  $ 6,300.00  Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GCI-2016/2016-06-10_Google_Sugar_invoice-2016061000_as-s
   $ -563.20  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GSoC-Mentor-Summit-2013/2013-11-08_DeCausemaker_RIT-invo
 $ -0.40  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/I18n-and-T10n/2016-12-12_Quispe_invoice.xls
   $ -600.00  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

# Please remember that 10% of all funds must be paid to SFConservancy, who
provide 501c3/legal/accounting to Sugar Labs.



> Last meeting you mentioned Sugar Labs counts with ~US$80,983.40 in total,
>> still some percentage of that balance might still corresponds to the 2013
>> Trip Advisor grant.
>>
>> Can you please specify.
>>
>
> The entirety is General Funds.  2013's Trip Advisor's 2-years of funding
> were contractually expected (if not required) to have been spent by
> July/August 2015, when a report was due towards receiving an additional
> $40,000 from Trip Advisor for a 3rd and final year (Sugar Labs did not send
> this report it seems, hence those final $40,000 did not arrive).
>
> Even before July/August 2015, Trip Advisor funds were fully fungible
> (Sugar Labs General Funds) according to Software Freedom Conservancy
> Executive Director Karen Sandler, who checked with her lawyer.  Of course
> honoring the general intent of the mid-2013 to mid-2015 grant (long since
> lapsed in 2017) would still be respectful of Trip Advisor's intentions
> where we can.
>
> Thank you and kind regards,
>>
>> Laura Victoria
>>
>>
>>
>>> If someone on the board seconds the motion, we can begin a vote.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-February/019375.html
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] Outreachy motion

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
> 2017-02-13 19:02 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Laura suggested [1] that I make a formal motion to the board regarding
>> Sugar Labs participation in Outreachy. Here it is:
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to participate in Outreachy 14 in order to
>> promote and support women and minority participation in FOSS projects. The
>> cost would be $5500 for one internship. The funds would come from our
>> general funds.
>>
>
> Adam,
>
> Before board members get to vote on General Funds, can you please share
> the current balance of the General Funds account?
>
> Last meeting you mentioned Sugar Labs counts with ~US$80,983.40 in total,
> still some percentage of that balance might still corresponds to the 2013
> Trip Advisor grant.
>
> Can you please specify.
>

The entirety is General Funds.  2013's Trip Advisor's 2-years of funding
were contractually expected (if not required) to have been spent by
July/August 2015, when a report was due towards receiving an additional
$40,000 from Trip Advisor for a 3rd and final year (Sugar Labs did not send
this report it seems, hence those final $40,000 did not arrive).

Even before July/August 2015, Trip Advisor funds were fully fungible (Sugar
Labs General Funds) according to Software Freedom Conservancy Executive
Director Karen Sandler, who checked with her lawyer.  Of course honoring
the general intent of the mid-2013 to mid-2015 grant (long since lapsed in
2017) would still be respectful of Trip Advisor's intentions where we can.

Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Laura Victoria
>
>
>
>> If someone on the board seconds the motion, we can begin a vote.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-February/019375.html
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Donation

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 29, 2016 6:50 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> On Jun 29, 2016 6:40 AM, "Ütkarsh Tiwari" <iamutkarshtiw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >  I would like to donate some amount of my stipend to Sugar Labs.
How shall I proceed?
>
> FYI about a month ago I asked SFConservancy if they can provide a PayPal
donation button, which Karen Sandler confirms is possible, but is not yet
active.
>
> (If PayPal is your preferred means to donate, let us know?  I will ask
her when this PayPal button will be enabled.)

Sorry to muddle PayPal button issue if it's (likely) is not relevant in
this particular case!  But FYI.  As we together try to sort this out, least
bureaucratic options, and exact amounts if you know ?

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> > Ütkarsh Tiwari
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Donation

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 29, 2016 6:40 AM, "Ütkarsh Tiwari" 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  I would like to donate some amount of my stipend to Sugar Labs. How
shall I proceed?

FYI about a month ago I asked SFConservancy if they can provide a PayPal
donation button, which Karen Sandler confirms is possible, but is not yet
active.

(If PayPal is your preferred means to donate, let us know?  I will ask her
when this PayPal button will be enabled.)

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>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

Progress.  Further progress will come after I speak with Bradley Kuhn in
coming weeks, to understand has real-world recommendations on
pacing/publishing financials, based on his extensive experiences with the
~40 NGO's he (as SFConservancy's de facto bookkeeper) supervises/supports.
I hope he has time in the coming week, but if not I will work around his
schedule.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I went over Caryl's google doc again after re-reading the below, and I
> must say that I am no longer surprised by Adam's comments at the SLOB
> meeting on Friday; it seems that these clearly expressed points were
> not addressed in the text that Caryl submitted.
>
> Adam, please review the Google Doc with my comments and let me know if
> this resolves your concerns.
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 10:06, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> > The financial spring cleaning CarylB, DaveC and others have worked hard
> on
> > within
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
> > is promising, but seems premature in my opinion, until its mechanics are
> > better understood:
> >
> > - Even if we suppose that $X remains $200 (as it has been for many years,
> > not Board involvement for expenses under $200), Financial Manager
> potential
> > monthly stipend $Y still remains too vague.  Should $Y be $100 per month
> or
> > what?
> >
> > - The prior "month" is very poorly defined, making the Financial
> Manager's
> > life impossible, if for example SL Board meets on Friday March 1st, and a
> > financial report summarizing February must be submitted "72 hours in
> > advance" by February 25th realistically, then the Financial Manager must
> > have worked for the prior week to get this right Feb 18-to-25th.   If
> s/he
> > is away that week for a family/professional emergency, and does not want
> to
> > be fired then s/he must do the work Feb 10-to-17th, and as such has
> pulled
> > the numbers from SFConservancy's system on February 10th, just over a
> week
> > after the prior SL board meeting.  So perhaps the only practical thing
> she
> > can do is run a report on the prior month of January?  And even if s/he
> > tries to do that, SFConservancy has explained to me that they often take
> a
> > month-or-so to get all receipts entered into their system, so the
> Financial
> > Manager cannot in fact get hard information about January.  My
> understanding
> > from SFConservancy is that on February 10th, we could only get hard info
> on
> > December's financials, and even then there's no absolute guarantee, as
> > receipts come in very late at times.
> >
> > On the one hand it sounds ridiculous, in the age where most of us obtain
> > live bank statements online, that we cannot get confirmed up-to-date
> > financials until 2 months later!  But what other options are there?
> Should
> > we accept known-imprecise financial reporting in exchange for recency?
> And
> > if so, aren't we really asking for a rolling report of the prior ~3
> months
> > every time?  Let`s spell it out, if in fact those are the true duties of
> the
> > Financial Manager -- to provide a rolling estimates (estimates, to the
> best
> > of his/her professional ability) of the prior 3 months of expenses/income
> > and balance on the last day of each month?
> >
> > - Dismissal notice could be a lot more precise: "Failure to carry out
> these
> > 2 duties for more than one meeting will result in removal and
> appointment of
> > another Finance Manager."  Can s/he miss one or both duties once per
> 6-month
> > period due to death of a close family member?  Is s/he fired immediately
> for
> > missing one or both dutires twice, even if separated by 2 years?  If so,
> we
> > need to spell it out.  If conversely we want to fire the Financial
> Manager
> > immediately, for failing to fulfill 1 duty or the other, then we should
> say
> > that more explicitly.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Motion (1 of 2) GSoC Stipends

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I second the motion and approve it.
>

I hope we all work together to find a way to compromise, but in any case my
opinion is already well-known, as stated a month ago:

Mentors/tutors/teachers are insufficiently recognized, just like the
Mentoring organization is insufficiently recognized.

My personal belief is that *both* need to be recognized far more, likely
starting equally with a 50/50 split or some such/similar distribution of
funds, inspired by Lionel Laske's thoughtful articulation of the many
social infrastructure / accounting infrastructure / mentoring
infrastructure / constructionist infrastructure investments OLPC France has
very successfully achieved.  Among many other organizational
infrastructures (technology and non-technology community tools)
backstopping the lives of volunteer-community-hackers-of-all-kind
increasingly far easier, as we can do too!  Underlying a much stronger
future for all~

Tony
>
>
> On 06/04/2016 03:02 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
>
> We did not have time to take action on two motions at yesterday's meeting.
> Please review the motion below. If an oversight board seconds the motion,
> then we can bring it up for a vote by email.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> Motion regarding GSoC mentoring stipends
>
> Motion: Whereas it is the general policy of Sugar Labs to retain all GSoC
> mentoring stipends in the General Fund, if a mentor asks a GSoC Admin (for
> example in 2016, Walter or Lionel) to pay a stipend to a mentor, their
> share of the stipend amount will be disbursed without further motions to
> approve the spending. The share is calculated from the total awarded for
> the GSoC slot by Google, minus 10% (as all Sugar Labs income is donated to
> Software Freedom Conservancy for organisational services), minus 5%
> (retained for Sugar Labs General Funds),  divided by the number of mentors
> for the project. For example, in a year with 6 slots and 10 mentors at
> $500, the total revenue is $3,000; 10% for Conservancy is $300 and 5% for
> Sugar Labs is $150, leaving a total of $2,550 or $255 per mentor.
>
> 
>
> Note that an earlier version of this motion failed:
>
> Failed Motion
>
> Motion: To allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to
> disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit.
>
> Further discussion of this motion can be found beginning at [1].
>
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-May/018130.html
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Motion (2 of 2) Sugar Labs donation

[Adam Holt]

As this is a very thoughtful proposal, I contacted SFConservancy's general
counsel to verify it is legal given 501(c)3 non-profit laws can be strict,
and he emphasized 2 things:

(1) no tangible benefits may be offered in return for a donation (otherwise
it is not a donation, by law!)

(2) if such transactions were ever to become quasi-mandatory (similar to
membership dues in many other organizations) he would strongly prefer we
not use the word "Member" and rather use terminology like "Patron"
(commonly-used word in charitable circles, and doesn't imply explicit
benefits), "Lab Assistants," or "Sugar Labs Official Patrons" (SLOPs, not
my choice!), or "Sweet Teeth," etc, with a fun logo (that fits in with the
existing "Sugar Labs" brand).

Finally while I'm not at all against this very thoughtful proposal going
forward increasingly seriously, there is a *Ton* of overhead to managing
$12 donations, and I'm wondering how exactly this will be managed?  So if a
competent Donations/Financial Manager (or fully-outsourced mechanism
perhaps?) is tightly drawn up, that does not place burdensome obligations
on SFC and other magical / non-existent financial/operations people we've
simply not identified yet, then I personally would be much more likely to
vote for such a proposal -- if it based on substance rather than wishful
thinking.

In short: if legit, clean operational mechanics have (IN FACT) been
carefully designed.  Or are on a road to come together and inspire the
confidence of all.  Rather than (worst case!) punting management of
microdonations / microreporting / micro-thank-you-letters (etc) to SFC's
forthcoming the PayPal donation button they are trying to create for Sugar
Labs in the coming weeks hopefully, which is Very Far from a complete
answer.  Possibly someone out there knows a fully managed/appropriate
solution similar to *gofundme.com * that reduces
operational complexity, rather than increasing operational complexity in
all our lives?


On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> We did not have time to take action on two motions at yesterday's meeting.
> Please review the motion below. If an oversight board seconds the motion,
> then we can bring it up for a vote by email.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> Motion to request a membership donation
>
> Motion: To request a membership donation from each currently active Sugar
> Labs Member to be allocated to the General Fund for the calendar year of
> 2016, and a public statement about how they use Sugar and why they are
> involved in Sugar Labs to post on the website; there is no penalty for not
> paying a membership or not providing a statement; by default members who
> donate will be kept private, and requested to opt-in to be recognised. The
> donation requested will be $12 USD from members who self-identify as
> low-income (such as students); $36 USD from general members; $120 from
> members who can opt-in to be placed prominently on the website; and $600
> from members who can (privately if they wish) submit a release codename,
> subject to SLOB approval.
>
> 
>
> Further discussion of this motion can be found beginning at [1].
> A sample letter of solicitation of funds can be found at [2]
>
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-May/018401.html
> [2]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPQRFvCwj-Az79PB3Y85aK8Pv5Sl1EODs07m9phAS5U/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] another motion (Quispe trip to Translation Summit)

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 12 May 2016 at 07:59, Walter Bender  wrote:
> > Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing
> Sugar
> > Labs at the Traducción e interpretación en las lenguas originarias del
> Perú
> > meeting in Lima. The cost is $168.88.
>
> Did this motion pass?


Yes.


> I can't find a record of it in my email.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Adam, please could you confirm with Conservancy that we can set up
> adsense and youtube advertising accounts to raise revenue?
>

I don't see why not, if there is a genuine consensus to move forward here?
But most important who will manage these and how?

If we have an organized/near-definitive proposal (preferably approved by
Oversight Board, or similar) for how Sugar Labs wants to move forward, then
I will approach SFConservancy on any final required mechanics here.

Karen Sandler (SFC Exec Director) and her team are currently researching
how SL can get a donation button for SL (presumably using PayPal) much like
http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ and helping get Samson Goddy's Yoruba
translation contract organized, among a quite number of other SL financial
+ legal requests at this time, so we really please need to be understanding
to avoid sending them trial balloons, doing our own due diligence first,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] another motion (Quispe trip to Translation Summit)

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> FWIW, while I agree that retroactively approving of funds is not ideal,
> this particular case is a matter of formal approval of what was already
> approved. SLOB gave me authority to make these sorts of decisions for the
> Trip Advisor grant several times now and I believe it is within Chris's
> discretion as well. Nonetheless, for some reason or other, the SFC seems to
> think that every outlay requires explicit approval from the entire board.
> Further, it is not like this was an attempt to blind-side or circumvent the
> board. I brought this up several months ago, but we have not managed to
> vote on it.
>
> Finally, I find the "wait-until-the-last-moment-to-object" style of
> discourse to be highly unprofessional. I reiterate, this has been on the
> table for months as has been the opportunity for feedback and discussion.
>

My own hope is that Sugar Labs seek a new tone of governance, putting aside
baseless ad hominem attacks against on its own board members and
hard-working sponsoring organization (SFConservancy.org), who happen to
prefer more transparent and understandable financials.

My hope is that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard's monthly blog
(and similar) will be just the beginning to show us all this upfront,
honorable, inclusive-of-all-kinds-of-people (even accountants, if we are to
grow this movement) approach is in fact possible beginning in 2016.

-walter
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> +1 for the remark of Adam.
>> +1 for the motion due to the relative small amount of money engaged.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>> 2016-05-18 15:20 GMT+02:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> I find the practice of retroactively voting for funds to be highly
>>> unprofessional, in all instances.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless I am hereby voting in favor in this 1 instance, on the hope
>>> that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard will begin improving the
>>> situation with a public blog going forward -- so everyone knows what's
>>> happening and why.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Chris Leonard <
>>> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would note that, as requested, Edgar provided a brief write-up of
>>>> the event afterwards (in Spanish), which I have
>>>> Google-assisted-translated and will be posting (in both Spanish and
>>>> English) on the blog that I'm setting up for reporting on Translation
>>>> Community Manager activities.
>>>>
>>>> Asking funded travelers for a post-travel write-up is a practice that
>>>> I think Sugar Labs SLOB should consider in all travel-funding
>>>> requests.  It is a very common practice in science-related businesses,
>>>> when someone is sent to a conference on company time.  This practice
>>>> provides a further return on investment.  Not only are your ideas
>>>> shared with the audience at the destination by the traveler, but the
>>>> conference's ideas are reported back to the community providing the
>>>> funding.
>>>>
>>>> cjl
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I realize that we never actually had a formal motion for this as we
>>>> got
>>>> > side-tracked by the i18n manager discussion (See [1]).
>>>> >
>>>> > Background: Edgar Quispe had requested funds to attend the Traducción
>>>> e
>>>> > interpretación en las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima.
>>>> The
>>>> > total cost of the trip was expected to be ~$200. In fact it came to
>>>> $168.88.
>>>> > The purpose of the visit was for Edgar to share his experience with
>>>> Aymara
>>>> > i18n for Sugar Labs with speakers of other indigenous languages in the
>>>> > region. Note that this was pre-approved by Chris Leonard and Walter
>>>> Bender
>>>> > as appropriate and relevant to our i18n efforts under the Trip
>>>> Advisor grant
>>>> > and brought up for discussion at the 1 April SLOB meeting. Edgar's
>>>> report is
>>>> > at [2].
>>>> >
>>>> > Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing
>>>> Sugar
>>>> > Labs at the Traducción e interp

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] another motion (Quispe trip to Translation Summit)

[Adam Holt]

I find the practice of retroactively voting for funds to be highly
unprofessional, in all instances.

Nevertheless I am hereby voting in favor in this 1 instance, on the hope
that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard will begin improving the
situation with a public blog going forward -- so everyone knows what's
happening and why.


On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Chris Leonard 
wrote:

> I would note that, as requested, Edgar provided a brief write-up of
> the event afterwards (in Spanish), which I have
> Google-assisted-translated and will be posting (in both Spanish and
> English) on the blog that I'm setting up for reporting on Translation
> Community Manager activities.
>
> Asking funded travelers for a post-travel write-up is a practice that
> I think Sugar Labs SLOB should consider in all travel-funding
> requests.  It is a very common practice in science-related businesses,
> when someone is sent to a conference on company time.  This practice
> provides a further return on investment.  Not only are your ideas
> shared with the audience at the destination by the traveler, but the
> conference's ideas are reported back to the community providing the
> funding.
>
> cjl
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
> > I realize that we never actually had a formal motion for this as we got
> > side-tracked by the i18n manager discussion (See [1]).
> >
> > Background: Edgar Quispe had requested funds to attend the Traducción e
> > interpretación en las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima. The
> > total cost of the trip was expected to be ~$200. In fact it came to
> $168.88.
> > The purpose of the visit was for Edgar to share his experience with
> Aymara
> > i18n for Sugar Labs with speakers of other indigenous languages in the
> > region. Note that this was pre-approved by Chris Leonard and Walter
> Bender
> > as appropriate and relevant to our i18n efforts under the Trip Advisor
> grant
> > and brought up for discussion at the 1 April SLOB meeting. Edgar's
> report is
> > at [2].
> >
> > Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing
> Sugar
> > Labs at the Traducción e interpretación en las lenguas originarias del
> Perú
> > meeting in Lima. The cost is $168.88.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-March/017787.html
> > [2]
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz5r4d6qh-WsZmF1cWQxemdGN0FmMzJnRjBZNEhKaEZWd1pB/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy
> > 
> > Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM
> > Subject: approval details for Quispe-Chambi trip expenses? (was: Fwd:
> > Solicitud de auspicio de pasajes)
> > To: su...@sfconservancy.org
> >
> >
> > I'm submitting tonight to Conservancy internal approval process Edgar
> > Quispe Chambi's reimbursement request of US$161.88.
> >
> > However, I am unable to find SLOBs approval, so the reimbursement may be
> > rejected because of this.  The information I have is:
> >
> > El mar. 18, 2016 5:52 AM, "Walter Bender" 
> > escribió:
> >>> Chris and I approved the travel. We will get formal approval from the
> >>> SLOB but there is no time to wait. Please keep your receipts so that
> >>> we can reimburse you. Sorry that there is no time to get you a travel
> >>> advance.
> >
> > I assume based on that statements and the one below that at sometime
> > between March 18th and April 15th, there was a formal SLOBs approval.
> > Can someone send that along, please?  A URL link to the SLOBs minutes
> > where it was approved are fine.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] Yoruba i18n motion

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Chris Leonard 
wrote:

> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:11 PM, samson goddy 
> wrote:
> > Thanks for everyone who voted for this project. So what is the next step
> for
> > me to do to begin.
> >
> >
> > Samson G
>
> Completing paperwork with SFC.  Adam is the go-between for talking to
> SFC.  Completed paperwork would trigger the first "start-up"
> milestone.
>

It'd be best if Chris Leonard called me if he has time this week?

So we can communicate the cleanest possible business-contractual needs to
SFConservancy, around this first language especially (Yoruba's tied with
Tagalog as the 42nd most popular spoken language according to Wikipedia..)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Adam Holt]

On May 11, 2016 2:55 PM, "Sebastian Silva" <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:
>
> El 11/05/16 a las 13:40, Adam Holt escribió:
> > This was clarified when I joined SL Oversight Board at the end of
> > 2009, and again exhaustively re-clarified at the beginning of this year.
> Can you point me to where this was "exhaustively re-clarified" ?
> Thanks!

Kindly read the minutes of SL Oversight Meetings from earlier this year,
where I laid this out in explicit detail, precisely so we don't leave lead
lives of eternal parliamentary snafus, with several new board members who
did plainly did not understand voting, even after explanation.

Feel free to read the several failed motions (late autumn 2009, and late
autumn 2015 are 2 examples) which received a majority of "those who
bothered to vote" but failed to muster the required 4 votes (majority of
seats) to actually pass.

It's high time we start encoding these facts (de facto nonprofit bylaws)
into Governance pages so we/all give curious newcomers functional
transparency, earning their trust.

Specifically I'm hoping SL Board secretary (Dave Crossland has agreed to
serve) can invest some moments this wkd, publishing agreed voting
procedures / who exactly are our nonprofit's members today / how many /
what is the true criterion for joining / etc, so we can move beyond the
Tyranny of Structurelessness at long last!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Adam Holt]

4 affirmative votes (majoruty of 7 seats) are required for all motions to
pass.

This was clarified when I joined SL Oversight Board at the end of 2009, and
again exhaustively re-clarified at the beginning of this year.
On May 11, 2016 2:24 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:

>
>
> El 11/05/16 a las 13:01, Dave Crossland escribió:
>
> So, the motion failed, with 3 votes for, 1 vote against, and 4 abstains,
> and the funds will accrue into the general fund.
>
>
> Here I found a precedent:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009/Meeting_Log-2009-09-25
>
>  okay, that's 3 yes, 0 no, 1 abstain. we could still get 3 no, I
> suppose.
>  cjb:the motion passes.
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Adam Holt]

On May 7, 2016 3:33 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>
> Disagree.
>
> Thought I understand that 500$ is lot of money for some people, I think
that GSoC is also a way for SugarLabs to raise money. Because we don't ask
for an annual fee to member (like other association, for example OLPC
France), it's even the only way to hope for a regular contribution.

Indeed, Google chose to pay "mentoring organizations" rather mentors, for
exactly the reasons Lionel lays out.  If Google wanted to pay GSoC stipends
instead, it would have done exactly that, using the word stipend, and
incurring the very significant accounting/managerial/compliance costs of
managing such stipends.  Google (GSoC) did Not make that choice, though
conceivably in future Google should consider international transactions
direct to Mentors?

Until that distant day, mentors/tutors/teachers are insufficiently
recognized, just like the mentoring organization is insufficiently
recognized, in the constructionist ethos especially we are all learning ;-)

In conclusion, I abstain because my own opinion is that a $500 pass-thru to
the mentor shows a lack of respect for the organization/ops backstopping of
our overall *joint* efforts ~ in the same way that $500 to the organization
shows a similar lack of respect for certain particularly dedicated mentors.

Personally I'd be in favor of splitting $500 GSoC payments between
organization and mentors-in-need ($250 each) particularly those mentors in
low-income countries (of those most demonstrably catalyzed by a $250
Honorarium) if such a consensus later emerges.

Lionel's warning should not be ignored, if anyone cares about
inter-generational leadership: in the apprentice system the parents of
mentees who can afford it would very happily Pay Sugar Labs (Mentoring
Organization), much like users of Wikipedia happily Pay annual donations,
much like members of OLPC France happily Pay for something they believe
in...  (What other learning economies surround us, that we may not even
realize??)

> Best regards from France.
>
> Lionel.
>
>
> 2016-05-07 1:49 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>> At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the
motion submitted by Sebastian Silva to allow the mentors participating in
Google Summer of Code to disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as
they see fit. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote.
>>
>> Background: Every year, Google provides mentoring organizations with a
stipend for the mentors. In our first year of participation in the program,
Sugar Labs mentors agreed to have the stipend directed to the Sugar Labs
general funds. We have followed the same procedure in subsequent years.
This year, however, several mentors asked if they could have access to the
stipends (which are allocated per student internship). We discussed this at
the meeting and agreed that it would be appropriate to offer these funds as
compensation and thanks to the mentors for their time and expertise (there
were no objections raised). We need to vote on this however, since the
funds are given to the mentoring organization, not the individual mentors.
>>
>> Members of the oversight board, please reply to this email solicitation
for a vote on the following motion. (Note that since I am a mentor, I think
I must recuse myself from the vote.)
>>
>> Motion: to allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to
disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> [1]
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06
>>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> In other words that SL's effective payment to SFConservancy (for
> >> legal/financial/administrative service) is equal to 10% of all
> expenditures
> >> (outlays) each fiscal year, i.e. March 1st to end of February.
> >>
> >> (But someone else can correct me if I'm wrong!)
> >
> > I think you are wrong, but I am still looking for the proof.  It is my
> > understanding that SFC takes 10% of incoming donations only, not a 10%
> > cut of all transactions (inbound and outbound).
> >
> > That is what is described in their template Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement.
> >
> > http://sfconservancy.org/docs/sponsorship-agreement-template.pdf
> >
> > "Fees.
> > The FIXME-SIGNATORIES agree to donate ten percent (10%) of the
> > Project's gross revenue (including, but not necessarily limited to,
> > all income and donations) to Conservancy for its general operations."
> >
> > I'm looking for an executed copy of the current SugarLabs-SFC FSA to
> > confirm, unfortunately the wiki version looks at variance with the
> > template, but as a wiki page, it has no "official" status.
> >
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/SFC_Fiscal_Agreement
> >
> > cjl
>
>
> Adam,
>
> As SFC contact, could you please confirm that this 2012 version of the
> Amended FSA is the currently effective agreement?
>

There no reason to believe otherwise.  This agreement is what stands unless
you have information that nobody else has :-)

Note, it shows the 10% cut of revenue, no transaction fees.
>

10% of initial capital too?  Sorry am traveling non-stop for the coming
days, but someone should read the agreement (attached by CJL, Thanks!!)
carefully please if they have time this weekend please.

Then if there are outstanding questions accumulating, I can collect those
and communicate those questions to SFConservancy intermittently, if we as a
community have done our own homework first, Thanks!


> cjl
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2016-05-07 9:28 GMT+08:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>
>> On May 6, 2016 5:45 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>> > the budget allowed for Chris Leonard's Internationalization tasks
>> (USD$12,000.00)
>>
>> On this narrow point, I'd (assume) Translation Community Manager outlay
>> represents $12,000 + 10% for SFConservancy = $13,200 total, from May 1st
>> 2016 to Apr 30 2017 anyway.
>>
> Thank you Adam for helping us understand. I had no idea how the
> contribution for the SFC was calculated. Does the 10% apply for every
> transaction (incomes and outcomes) or is it only for outcomes?
>
> Can you please confirm if the 10% (USD$ 1,200) will go under the "Donated
> To [Software Freedom] Conservancy" liability account?
>

I'm presuming so.

In other words that SL's effective payment to SFConservancy (for
legal/financial/administrative service) is equal to 10% of all expenditures
(outlays) each fiscal year, i.e. March 1st to end of February.

(But someone else can correct me if I'm wrong!)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On May 6, 2016 5:45 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
> the budget allowed for Chris Leonard's Internationalization tasks
(USD$12,000.00)

On this narrow point, I'd (assume) Translation Community Manager outlay
represents $12,000 + 10% for SFConservancy = $13,200 total, from May 1st
2016 to Apr 30 2017 anyway.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Karen Sandler <ka...@sfconservancy.org>
wrote:

> On 2016-05-06 12:06, Adam Holt wrote:
>
> s/he tries to do that, SFConservancy has explained to me that they
>> often take a month-or-so to get all receipts entered into their
>> system, so the Financial Manager cannot in fact get hard information
>> about January.  My understanding from SFConservancy is that on
>> February 10th, we could only get hard info on December's financials,
>> and even then there's no absolute guarantee, as receipts come in very
>> late at times.
>>
>
I meant to clarify above that SFConservancy has no possible way provide SL
fully complete/accurate financial info when receipts are sometimes
submitted ~90 days late?  What Karen says below, exactly!

In short, the current/proposed Financial Manager job description (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc)
needs more tuning of its operational mechanics month-by-month and
quarter-by-quarter, for the reasons Karen laid out.

If in the end SL will benefit from 10+ hours-per-month of professional
financial consulting/reporting every month, we cannot make an underpaid
Financial Manager and others' lives impossible, by imposing more accounting
burdens than is in fact possible within 10
hours-per-month-or-whatever-is-recommended, such that nothing happens in
the end (back to square one worst case) if we ask for too much.

PS on a more positive note (!) can someone help me publish SFConservancy's
latest travel/expense/reimbursement guidelines and requirements directly
off of https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance#For_funding_travel ?  Is there
a public link somewhere already, or can we make one now, if someone has
this/these document(s) handy?

On the one hand it sounds ridiculous, in the age where most of us
>> obtain live bank statements online, that we cannot get confirmed
>> up-to-date financials until 2 months later!  But what other options
>> are there?  Should we accept known-imprecise financial reporting in
>> exchange for recency?
>>
>
> It's great you're contemplating hiring a financial manager - increased
> engagement from SL in its finances might solve some of the problems from
> third-parties that are the root cause of delays in update to the books (we
> cannot help the fact that travelers sometimes take a long time to ask for
> reimbursement, for example). As Adam indicates, any faster financial info
> would surely be less precise. As we hear in reports from others, we're the
> fastest at getting our financial data up to date in the entire industry. We
> keep books for almost 40 projects that have many transactions, and we're
> doing it with only a staff of 3 who have a lot of other work too.  A
> financial manager will be able to track the few transactions that haven't
> processed in the interim so you have the granularilty when you need it.
>
> More realistically, it's worth reiterating that building an annual budget
> is really what you should focus on. We will track spending against it on an
> ongoing basis. You currently have a balance of over $80k that has not
> changed in some time - are you contemplating undergoing expenses in a 2 or
> 3 month period that would need exact amounts on a daily basis? For example,
> our own books (which are much bigger) are updated at the same rate as SL's
> and it works great for us as we build our budget and monitor income
> throughout the year. A Financial manager could also save us time and
> heartache by vetting travel reimbursement requests against the travel
> policy.
>
> Given the holistic discussion, it's also worth saying that while I (along
> with everyone else at Conservancy) am a huge supporter of SLs and would be
> happy for you to stay with us, we take a loss on our fiscal sponsorship
> work for you. On average, you give back to us $36/week for *all* the
> services we provide to you. That's less than $2000 per year when we must
> pay our auditors $12k alone.
>
> As always you should definitely feel free to look for another nonprofit
> home. We deliberately designed our termination provisions to be very easy
> to leave. As I said, we're unaware of anyone doing it faster (and we hear
> that most are far slower in updating books) but we'd have no problem
> helping you to transition to another org.
>
> I don't always follow this list closely, but I'm happy to set up a call or
> IRC chat any time.
>
> karen
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

The financial spring cleaning CarylB, DaveC and others have worked hard on
within
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
is promising, but seems premature in my opinion, until its mechanics are
better understood:

- Even if we suppose that $X remains $200 (as it has been for many years,
not Board involvement for expenses under $200), Financial Manager potential
monthly stipend $Y still remains too vague.  Should $Y be $100 per month or
what?

- The prior "month" is very poorly defined, making the Financial Manager's
life impossible, if for example SL Board meets on Friday March 1st, and a
financial report summarizing February must be submitted "72 hours in
advance" by February 25th realistically, then the Financial Manager must
have worked for the prior week to get this right Feb 18-to-25th.   If s/he
is away that week for a family/professional emergency, and does not want to
be fired then s/he must do the work Feb 10-to-17th, and as such has pulled
the numbers from SFConservancy's system on February 10th, just over a week
after the prior SL board meeting.  So perhaps the only practical thing she
can do is run a report on the prior month of January?  And even if s/he
tries to do that, SFConservancy has explained to me that they often take a
month-or-so to get all receipts entered into their system, so the Financial
Manager cannot in fact get hard information about January.  My
understanding from SFConservancy is that on February 10th, we could only
get hard info on December's financials, and even then there's no absolute
guarantee, as receipts come in very late at times.

On the one hand it sounds ridiculous, in the age where most of us obtain
live bank statements online, that we cannot get confirmed up-to-date
financials until 2 months later!  But what other options are there?  Should
we accept known-imprecise financial reporting in exchange for recency?  And
if so, aren't we really asking for a rolling report of the prior ~3 months
every time?  Let`s spell it out, if in fact those are the true duties of
the Financial Manager -- to provide a rolling estimates (estimates, to the
best of his/her professional ability) of the prior 3 months of
expenses/income and balance on the last day of each month?

- Dismissal notice could be a lot more precise: "Failure to carry out these
2 duties for more than one meeting will result in removal and appointment
of another Finance Manager."  Can s/he miss one or both duties once per
6-month period due to death of a close family member?  Is s/he fired
immediately for missing one or both dutires twice, even if separated by 2
years?  If so, we need to spell it out.  If conversely we want to fire the
Financial Manager immediately, for failing to fulfill 1 duty or the other,
then we should say that more explicitly.



On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 10:35, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>> > I am hoping all the differences have been ironed out and that my motions
>> > receive a majority vote.
>>
>> I just checked
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
>> and it still has a lot of my suggestions to be reviewed by Caryl, and
>> as she says,
>>
>> > I noticed, the last time I checked, amounts for $X and $Y had not been
>> > discussed. They are an important part of the motion.
>>
>> So I don't the motion for a finance manager can be passed today.
>>
>> However, can SLOBs pass a motion at any time? (And so the monthly
>> meetings are just to ensure no motions go undecided for more than a
>> month?)
>>
>> If so then I hope Caryl can firm up the motion and it can be passed
>> within May :)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>
> I agree that there are a number of open issues in the motions. Re Motion
> 1, I am on the fence about making it a paid position: I have seen no
> evidence that that will make a difference, but I am willing to give it a
> shot. Re Motion 2, I have asked for evidence that (1) we are solving a real
> problem and (2) if it is not better to delegate low-volume/low-threshold
> spending authority to the teams, where the knowledge resides. (For example,
> Bernie, as head of the infrastructure team, could have unilaterally
> approved the request for the domain name payment. He already has that
> authority.) I am fine with the other two motions as written.
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-Server enhancement

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> James
>
> I can't think of a use case for an XO to access multiple school servers.


Apologies am not following all the details of this conversation, but just
to point out some of our newer work in Haiti will experiment with XO
laptops moving between different school servers, in off-campus computer
club(s), librar(ies), and at school, etc.

Likewise there are definitely teachers who work in multiple schools, and
need to bring their main XO to each school, impressive!

Also some schools campuses are just too large to tie in all the IT infra
together, with buildings just too far apart.  So there will be several
inexpensive school servers likely in these schools, who do not want to
network their buildings together at this point.

Finally George Hunt is advising us on how to construct even more mobile
servers too, based on a large USB battery packs supporting Raspberry Pi 3
(or XO-4 or whatever) permitting increasingly ruggedized knowledge hotspots.

*Not sure how we will deal with naming all these different school servers
coming down the pike, but definitely something to start thinking about now,
a great question :}*


> If a school is so large (> 200 XOs), the easy solution is two school
> servers. However, the XOs access the schoolserver based on SSID and so
> users can be divided to their own schoolserver by the connection - defining
> the LAN.
>
> The OLE Nepal solution clearly satisfies the requirement to avoid any
> unnecessary configuration option or 'onboarding' step.
>
> The current placement of the code has been working for years. Showing the
> server in the network section was added at a late release, as I recall
> because the register menu item disappeared after registration and so a user
> did not know for sure if the XO was registered. This was later fixed with
> 'register again' so putting the name in the network section is now
> redundant.
>
> Tony
>
> On 04/14/2016 07:35 AM, James Cameron wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 06:13:42PM -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On April 13, 2016 at 5:37 PM James Cameron  wrote:


 On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Manash Raja wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
>
>  Please don't forget jarabe/desktop/schoolserver.py is involved, I
>  personally would prefer that code to be moved into
> control-panel/network.
>  Others please chime with your thoughts on this one.
>
> Yes, if register option is brought to network section, then it will
> provide
> better space for managing multiple different XS servers.
>
 Yes, add registration function to the network section, or move server
 to a new section ... but for ease of first-use where only one server
 is present, the register option can remain on the main menu.

 (Why do I suggest a new section?  The Network section has become
 cluttered with radio device controls, access point cache control,
 jabber server, social help, and soon proxy settings.)

 Wouldn't the backup related fields be more relevant in the backup
>>> section
>>> of control-panel? Maybe the 'new' proxy settings could have its own
>>> control
>>> panel section also?
>>>
>> Yes, yes.
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> On 11 April 2016 at 10:41, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying that some corresponding laptops were NOT given to poor
>>> kids as promised, and the foundation just netted the cash? :)
>>>
>>
>> [Yes]
>>
>
There is no simple yes/no answer to your question as you and ten-cent
journalists would understandably love, when measurement was simply not part
of OLPC's culture.  As Negroponte devoutly proclaimed.  I bought a tough $1
tape measure at the hardware store yesterday, and should ship it to him
with a proper thank-you note for bringing us where we are today, as
historians are today beginning to assess OLPC's long-term legacy more
properly.

That's a bold assertion, but fair enough. In the worst imaginary scenario,
> the OLPC Foundation board transferred the money into their personal Panama
> accounts, or spent it on lavish junkets, or whatever.
>

Be judicious in never attributing to malice (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor) what can be explained by lack
of servant leadership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_leadership).


> In the best case it was used to fund the organization unwisely until it
> was all gone.
>
> Last week I obtained a copy (for $0.01 + postage) of "Learning To Change
> The World" and in Chapter 4, page 75, it says
>
> After the February 2008 board meeting, OLPC and the Sugar community split.
> One month later, Sugar Labs was founded as an independent non-profit
> organization that would continue to drive the development and dissemination
> of the Sugar learning software. In the immediate aftermath of the split,
> OLPC rapidly expanded its staff, going from fewer than twenty full-time
> employees to nearly sixty.
>
>
> I imagine that is about $4M/year in wages. That in itself seems completely
> unwise when the organisation was failing to close large sales. You also
> allege it was spent on same-day flights. I could believe it.
>
> But, well, whatever. This was a long time ago. Whatever way the money was
> spent, it was spent, and is long gone. The foundation was eventually wound
> down, the association was eventually wound down, and now there is just this
> husk of OLPC Inc today, with to-date-anonymous-to-me workers dutifully
> supplying XO-4s to anyone who will order them, and paying ol' James here on
> contract to do needed technical maintenance work.
>
> Is anyone involved in any of the bad behaviour you are alleging still
> involved in OLPC or Sugar Labs today?
>
> Even if they are, I don't see value in guilt tripping them about what
> happened; nor really am I too curious about chasing down what actually
> happened, unless you have a plan to recover the money and avoid defamation
> lawsuits ;)
>
>
>
>> Why sugar-coat the truth?
>>
>
> Negativity corrodes enthusiasm. Being factual is fine, being grumpy is not
> :)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Adam
>
> On 10 April 2016 at 22:05, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 10, 2016 9:37 PM, "Dave Crossland" <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just imagine if OLPC had not chosen to run off with $40 Millon in
>> community-driven revenue
>> >
>> > I don't understand this. What are you referring to? :)
>>
>> Give1Get1 revenues were approximately $40 Million. A listening
>> organization could have (and would have) taken a portion of that
>> surprisingly clairvoyant learning moment into its soul, divining its
>> community purpise, rather than banking it.
>>
> Any amount of revenues can add up to less than zero being banked. How much
> do you think was banked?
>
> If a purchase was $400, then to see $40,000,000 in revenue they would have
> had 100,000 orders. I've been diving into OLPC/SL history the last month or
> so, and I seem to recall (but have no reference URL to hand) that the 1st
> G1G1 round in 2007 sold 116,000 units and the 2nd round in 2008 only sold
> 12,000, a 10x drop. These figures are probably incorrect. I just found
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Foundation which has text for 990 forms,
> but no links except for
> http://wiki.laptop.org/images/e/ed/OLPCFAud-2007.pdf which shows they had
> $29M of net assets by 2008-01. Well, close enough.
>
> But in what way did they "run off" with this revenue? As a G1G1 round 1
> customer, I paid my $400 and I got my laptop. I don't think anyone who
> bought one didn't get one. Are you saying that some corresponding laptops
> were NOT given to poor kids as promised, and the foundation just netted the
> cash? :)
>

I have yet to meet those almost 100,000 kids, but 8 years is a long time,
so I will keep searching for them.  If mistakes were made due to lack of
international accounting maturity, that is to be expected in a young
organization finding its feet -- even if that never happens -- and another
organization if forced to replace it.

Teachers I work with in Haiti aren't surprised that same-day flights were
purchased for over $20,000 by OLPC high-up(s) in 2008, comprising more than
their lifetime incomes.  Teachers in Haiti can sometimes be more mature
than the rest of us, with off-list reality in their face every day.
They're intimately aware that lowercase "accidental" corruption and
uppercase "intenional" Corruption are part+parcel of human development.
While holding out hope that OLPC Inc, Sugar Labs & All will not be part of
Poverty Inc in this next round: https://youtu.be/OBJToHDbifQ?t=960

Kids in Haiti who don't have access to promised laptops understand that
Give1Get1 and http://laptop.org/haiti whores (donors in Canada & the USA
especially) were taken advantage of.  Why sugar-coat the truth?  Kids,
Parents, Educators in Haiti would much rather come to grips exploring
what's next alongside, rather than be infantilized yet again.  Do watch the
film if you take these issues seriously~

I could find nothing in https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ for any other public
> financial statements. Where are the statements for the foundation and the
> association? Is the foundation still a going interest?
>
>> Nobody's saying the road less traveled would have been cake (I hope) as
>> many of the same Technocracy First / Human Education Later mistakes were
>> bound to happen, as we can see today in Wikipedia's leadership power
>> vacuum, some of us never learn naturally :)
>> http://mollywhite.net/wikimedia-timeline/
>>
> That's a fascinating link :) And this is great: "To suggest a change,
> email me or submit a pull request on Github."
>
> Wiki < Git
>
>> But 8 years later, Tony Anderson is 100% correct: an entirely different
>> road was right there in front of us, if we'd chosen to deliberate together,
>> in a united voice...
>>
> See, for me $500 is a small amount and 8 years is a long time ;) Recently
> I was gleefully amused to realise that one of the most proactive fontforge
> developers (fontforge is the leading libre font editor application) is 20
> years old now, can't remember what web publishing was like before Google
> Fonts, because it launched when he was 14.
>
> I'm fascinated with the history of OLPC and Sugar Labs, but I don't see
> any benefit in evaluating it positively or negatively. What happened has
> happened, and its important to hear what has happened, but only to inform
> what happens next.
>
> That different road is still here in front of us today! :)
>
> I hear your frustration about the 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
wrote:

>
> Adam,
>
> Am not sure how the Conservancy can help us get better if we don't have
> our financial policies well defined.
>
> According to the published numbers (I'm attaching a Spreadsheet with the
> information published by you) for the last 4 years, ~80% (USD$26,400) of
> expenses are related to promotional travels/activities of a very reduced
> group of members.
>
> Only 4,13% (US$ 1,375) has been dedicated to development.
>

Thanks Laura for your thoughts and I see your perspective.  But it depends
how one defines development (program activities).  Grant documents specify
"program activities" to mean a whole lot more that software obviously, even
if programmers wish it were otherwise!  Sometimes travel (can) get us the
best bang-for-the-buck in program development, when community organics
blossom especially.  And Walter Bender has explained that he has offloaded
significant expenses to partner organizations, to the benefit of Sugar
Labs.  So please take seriously that developing a Turtle Art community was
the #2 goal of the TripAdvisor grant, and the investment needs to measured
against that goal.  As the defining documents of the TripAdvisor grant
specify:

"Sugar Labs will provide periodic reports as to its progress in its
internationalization efforts as well as document the scope and scale of the
creation of materials and levels of participation in Turtle Art Day(s), and
a measure of the impact of this program on the expansion of our user base
through metrics such as downloads, project uploads, and the level of
participation of teachers and students in our on-line fora. Sugar Labs will
also provide TripAdvisor with detailed reports on all spending."

"The Charity spends no less than 80% of its total expenses on program
activities that directly furthers the mission and goals of the
Charity...Annual Financial Statement will include, at a minimum, a
breakdown of expenses (e.g., salaries, travel, office expenses) that shows
what expenses were allocated to program, fundraising, and administrative
activities."

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance fulfills the above broad reporting
request/requirement and thank you for your spreadsheet which makes this
more colorful.  None of us are perfect, and if mistakes were made that
means we are human.  But we are trying, even despite not being paid (for
example I have never received a travel benefit or compensation from Sugar
Labs, nor has Haiti where I work, unlike Peru where you work).  In
conclusion, Sugar Labs is doing a much better job in the last couple months
of respecting the original intent of the TripAdvisor grant, particularly
once we (1) start spending on localization/internationalization which is
long overdue and (2) satisfy their reporting requests/requirements,
hopefully shared with Sugar's Community (where permitted) to re-inspire all.

You are quite correct we can and should become more deliberate with our
financials clarity / purpose, hence Caryl Bigenho & Dave Crossland's hard
work on the Financial Manager document below.  Those who have experience
which relatively-drama-free organizational budgeting (intentionality) are
asked to please assist them by refining their proposal right here -- so
that transparency is no longer just a buzzword in this neighborhood, but a
community practice/culture we learn together.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc

*Coherence towards increasingly united visions indeed!*

Adam Holt
Sugar Labs Oversight Board Liaison to SFConservancy.org

For Sugar Labs Community/Board to be able to make coherent decisions,
> financial planning should be done ASAP with whatever funds remain in SL
> accounts. It might be necessary and convenient to split accounts with
> Capital from Trip Advisor grant to really understand the contingency.
>
> Only by having awareness of how unbalanced the situation is, the
> board/community may be able to propose an adequate course of action.
>
> As a preliminary conclusion, we need to define purpose/vision/strategy and
> plan for a fundraising soon.
>
> Best regards,
> Laura
>
>
>
> 2016-04-10 13:18 GMT+08:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 April 2016 at 11:26, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also agree that $500 does seem excessive, and even inappropriate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I thought it was small; it is under minimum wage for some places.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some teachers I work with in Haiti 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

On Apr 10, 2016 9:37 PM, "Dave Crossland" <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
> On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> Just imagine if OLPC had not chosen to run off with $40 Millon in
community-driven revenue
>
> I don't understand this. What are you referring to? :)

Give1Get1 revenues were approximately $40 Million.  A listening
organization could have (and would have) taken a portion of that
surprisingly clairvoyant learning moment into its soul, divining its
community purpise, rather than banking it.

Nobody's saying the road less traveled would have been cake (I hope) as
many of the same Technocracy First / Human Education Later mistakes were
bound to happen, as we can see today in Wikipedia's leadership power
vacuum, some of us never learn naturally :)
http://mollywhite.net/wikimedia-timeline/

But 8 years later, Tony Anderson is 100% correct: an entirely different
road was right there in front of us, if we'd chosen to deliberate together,
in a united voice...

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Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

James Cameron's engaging OLPC's emergent last-mile communities forthrightly
(below) is *precisely* the ingredient that was missing in 2008 (evolution of
http
://
wiki.laptop.org
/go/Buying_
XOs
 was much later).

Back in that pre-Twitter era when it was somehow considered Perfectly Ok
and Normal to step on one's one community, as nothing more than pretty
Give1Get1 fundraising whores.

As Tony very accurately noted -- OLPC would be an entirely different
creature today (in every regard) if in its formative years it had not
eviscerated the principled humanitarian backbones of Richard Rowe /
Calestous Juma / Larry Weber.

Just imagine if OLPC had not chosen to run off with $40 Millon in
community-driven revenue and community-driven int'l development, if it had
had the Clarity of Purpose to Listen, alongside its very own
boots-on-the-ground (Rowe & Juma above on Negroponte very own board, etc)
re-investing in its very own last-mile community-driven Successes...

Take a look at how far the world has come full-circle a decade later,
asking for exactly this grassroots-community-driven development Negroponte
consciously (and often unconsciously, unknowingly) impatiently blockaded:

https://youtu.be/OBJToHDbifQ
On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 08:47:35AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
> On 9 April 2016 at 06:31, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> The XO-4 is in production.
>
> What's the minimum order from OLPC? :)

You are asking for the minimum order quantity (MOQ) of the XO-4.

I don't know, it's not my task, and I don't feel I can escalate the
question for you.  I'm an engineering contractor with specific tasks,
not an office bearer or manager.

The XO-4 MOQ could change day by day, as exchange rates, shipping,
metal prices, component prices and their MOQ shift and change.

Two of my tasks are firmware based production testing and first
article inspection (FAI) approvals.

Here's how some of the process works:

A configuration is a set of component specifications; e.g. keyboard
type, language, model, peripherals, storage, CPU, RAM, camera,
wireless, battery.

A stock keeping unit (SKU) is a unique configuration to be
manufactured and tested.  We have a list of SKUs on our Wiki at
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manufacturing_data#XO-4

An order comes in from a customer with a configuration.  When the
configuration is in our list, we use that SKU.  Otherwise, a new SKU
is added.

An FAI occurs once for each SKU.  After that, the SKU can be
manufactured for other orders.  Changes to the source of components in
a configuration may trigger another FAI.  An FAI does not list
quantities.

Quantities inform my customer support task.  To provide support, my
lab has representative SKUs.  Having a sample of each component is
critical for support.  Having one of each SKU would be perfect, but
prohibitive.

So I have to get an idea of the quantities to keep the cost of the lab
down.  In the past two years there has been production of as few as
100 units of an SKU.  The lowest XO-4 MOQ observed.

But, as I said at the outset, that doesn't always hold true, and it
isn't a number to be taken as a promise.  If there is a serious
purchaser, they should be talking to OLPC directly, not to some random
stranger they meet on a public mailing list.  ;-)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 9 April 2016 at 11:26, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I also agree that $500 does seem excessive, and even inappropriate
>>
>>
>> FWIW, I thought it was small; it is under minimum wage for some places.
>>
>
> Some teachers I work with in Haiti make less than this amount in an entire
> year :(  When the TripAdvisor grant's defining 2013 document said "Sugar
> Labs is a 100% volunteer project" that may have been the case, but it is
> evidently no longer the case today.  Mako's point about volunteer
> motivations (
> https://mako.cc/writing/funding_volunteers/funding_volunteers.html)
> becomes all the more critical if we go too far flaunting nebulous
> Trump-told-me salaries in the faces of our hardest working volunteers,
> across the poorest places on earth (many on these mailing lists) when that
> breaks our global solidarity rather more than Leading Us Forward.
>
> Walter and Devin Ulibarri chose to invest $3579.68 of Sugar Labs' money
> going to Thailand's Constructionism 2016 (Feb 1-5) for a very good reason
> -- to do exactly that, Lead Us Forward.
>

(Correction: that's of course $3977.42 of Sugar Labs' money prior to the
10% deduction payable to SFConservancy for
accounting/legal/administration.  My mistake.)

As that purpose does not yet appear at http://planet.sugarlabs.org, Sugar
> Labs' community should help Walter and Devin articulate this through
> community channels that bring this impact to life, easing all our work of
> honoring TripAdvisor's request/requirement for (1) "Board-Approved Annual
> Budget", (2) biennial assessment if it has not already been submitted for
> August 2015, and (3) final 3-year report to be submitted August 2016.
>
> A preview from Feb 9:
>
> '4. I [Walter Bender] just returned from Constructionism 2016 (See [3]), a
> "bi-annual
> gathering of researchers and practitioners of the constructionist learning
> philosophy is intended to be a place to showcase lessons learned,
> innovative learning tools, new case studies, and novel approaches that has
> been happening throughout the world." A number of Sugar Labs community
> members were there, including Cynthia Solomon, Claudia Urrea, and Devin
> Ulibarri. Devin and I spoke about Music Blocks and along with Cynthia and
> Claudia, we ran several workshops for children and teachers. Lots of great
> feedback and many new and renewed connections. (Our host, Khun Paron, has
> been an advocate for Sugar for almost a decade.) The entire conference was
> videotaped and will be posted online soon. Be sure to watch Cynthia's
> keynote address in which she reviewed the history of Constructionism, which
> has had a great influence on the design and development of Sugar.
>
> 5. Music Blocks is a fork the Turtle Blocks program that we began last year
> during GSoC. Our goal is for Music Blocks to be an open-ended, yet
> musically relevant tool—one that invites learners to explore fundamental
> musical concepts that are both intrinsic to music yet transcendent of a
> specific discipline.
>
> The structure of our workshops included the concept of a "Power Piece". A
> power piece is a melody or a song that is taught because it is powerful and
> becomes more powerful as it is taught. Children took phrases of some
> familiar music as a basis of exploring and manipulating the music through
> programming.
>
> As a result of feedback from the workshops, I have made a number of
> improvements to Music Blocks [4]. It is much more robust and internally
> consistent. Please do try it (there is a guide at [5]) and give me
> additional feedback.'
>
> [4] https://walterbender.github.io/musicblocks
> [5]
> https://github.com/walterbender/musicblocks/blob/master/guide/README.md
>
> A postscript from March 25:
>
> '3. Devin Ulibarri and I had the opportunity to speak at LibrePlanet [2].
> Our topic was "Education needs Free/Libre Software needs education." [3]
>
> ABSTRACT: The bad news is that educational technology has
> largely failed to deliver on its promise. Its focus on efficiency rather
> than on learning has resulted in a further reinforcement of education as a
> system of instruction to curricula rather than one of student-driven
> construction of knowledge.
>
> The good news is that Free/Libre Software is the starting point towards a
> solutionnot just because it tends to focus on putting powerful
> tools into the hands of its end-users, but also because Free/Libre Software
> espouses a culture of doing and sharing in a conte

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 9 April 2016 at 11:26, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
>> I also agree that $500 does seem excessive, and even inappropriate
>
>
> FWIW, I thought it was small; it is under minimum wage for some places.
>

Some teachers I work with in Haiti make less than this amount in an entire
year :(  When the TripAdvisor grant's defining 2013 document said "Sugar
Labs is a 100% volunteer project" that may have been the case, but it is
evidently no longer the case today.  Mako's point about volunteer
motivations (
https://mako.cc/writing/funding_volunteers/funding_volunteers.html) becomes
all the more critical if we go too far flaunting nebulous Trump-told-me
salaries in the faces of our hardest working volunteers, across the poorest
places on earth (many on these mailing lists) when that breaks our global
solidarity rather more than Leading Us Forward.

Walter and Devin Ulibarri chose to invest $3579.68 of Sugar Labs' money
going to Thailand's Constructionism 2016 (Feb 1-5) for a very good reason
-- to do exactly that, Lead Us Forward.  As that purpose does not yet
appear at http://planet.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Labs' community should help
Walter and Devin articulate this through community channels that bring this
impact to life, easing all our work of honoring TripAdvisor's
request/requirement for (1) "Board-Approved Annual Budget", (2) biennial
assessment if it has not already been submitted for August 2015, and (3)
final 3-year report to be submitted August 2016.

A preview from Feb 9:

'4. I [Walter Bender] just returned from Constructionism 2016 (See [3]), a
"bi-annual
gathering of researchers and practitioners of the constructionist learning
philosophy is intended to be a place to showcase lessons learned,
innovative learning tools, new case studies, and novel approaches that has
been happening throughout the world." A number of Sugar Labs community
members were there, including Cynthia Solomon, Claudia Urrea, and Devin
Ulibarri. Devin and I spoke about Music Blocks and along with Cynthia and
Claudia, we ran several workshops for children and teachers. Lots of great
feedback and many new and renewed connections. (Our host, Khun Paron, has
been an advocate for Sugar for almost a decade.) The entire conference was
videotaped and will be posted online soon. Be sure to watch Cynthia's
keynote address in which she reviewed the history of Constructionism, which
has had a great influence on the design and development of Sugar.

5. Music Blocks is a fork the Turtle Blocks program that we began last year
during GSoC. Our goal is for Music Blocks to be an open-ended, yet
musically relevant tool—one that invites learners to explore fundamental
musical concepts that are both intrinsic to music yet transcendent of a
specific discipline.

The structure of our workshops included the concept of a "Power Piece". A
power piece is a melody or a song that is taught because it is powerful and
becomes more powerful as it is taught. Children took phrases of some
familiar music as a basis of exploring and manipulating the music through
programming.

As a result of feedback from the workshops, I have made a number of
improvements to Music Blocks [4]. It is much more robust and internally
consistent. Please do try it (there is a guide at [5]) and give me
additional feedback.'

[4] https://walterbender.github.io/musicblocks
[5] https://github.com/walterbender/musicblocks/blob/master/guide/README.md

A postscript from March 25:

'3. Devin Ulibarri and I had the opportunity to speak at LibrePlanet [2].
Our topic was "Education needs Free/Libre Software needs education." [3]

ABSTRACT: The bad news is that educational technology has
largely failed to deliver on its promise. Its focus on efficiency rather
than on learning has resulted in a further reinforcement of education as a
system of instruction to curricula rather than one of student-driven
construction of knowledge.

The good news is that Free/Libre Software is the starting point towards a
solutionnot just because it tends to focus on putting powerful
tools into the hands of its end-users, but also because Free/Libre Software
espouses a culture of doing and sharing in a context of critique,
reflection, and personal responsibility.

In this session, we will review some tangible ways in which Free/Libre
Software is having and can have a positive impact on education and some
things we can and should be doing better. We will then discuss strategies
for advocating for Free/Libre Software in education systems both in the US
and globally. The next generation of computer users are in school today. We
need to ensure that the next generation is empowered to take advantage of
the opportunities afforded by Free/Libre Software.

Unlike the session on Free/Libre Software at EdFoo, which was sparsely
attended, there was standing-room only for our session. The recording
should be on line within a few weeks.

It 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

[Adam Holt]

harity", "Turtle Art" etc are used within the
2 defining PDF documents themselves.  Which SFConservancy's General Counsel
has thankfully now clarified for SL's Board, Ombuds, Caryl Bigenho, Dave
Crossland, Sean Daly and Chris Leonard -- towards protecting us all moving
forward on a strong foundation.  On a largely separate matter
(fiduciary/fundraising landscape procedures) that I do apologize
constitutes legal advice that cannot be forwarded to a public mailing list.

*Thanks for Everyone for your Time, all we've got !!*

Adam Holt
Sugar Labs Oversight Board Liaison to SFConservancy.org

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Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> Dave,
>
> This is an example of how powerful our community could be. Naturally, we
> would need to nail down this price - Amazon quotes about $10 each. There
> has been a lot of discussion in the community on the viability of sd cards
> from different manufacturers. With a little effort we may be able to give
> the Rwanda REB team some valuable advice on this topic.
>

Later this year we will certainly demonstrate our XO-1 successes in Haiti
to the Rwandan govt as necessary; thank you Tony for keeping the most
meaningful channels open.

Yes they will laugh us out of the room when they hear how low 32GB+XO
capital costs really are -- then the trick will be reinvesting these
priceless funds into Human Capital With A Purpose:

- robotics class pros
- actionist librarians
- maker project lesson planners engaging STEAM teachers can truly run with
after the demo
- teachers who take Student Journalism / Environmental Realism into the
streets like http://orangestreetnews.com
- TLC = Technology Learning Coordinators *of all kind...*

Tony
>
>
> On 04/08/2016 11:26 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
>
> On 7 April 2016 at 22:54, Tony Anderson  wrote:
>
>> AFIK, the Government of Rwanda annual fiscal year begins July 1. Some one
>> may have access to the records, but there are probably 1000 XO-1s deployed
>> there. Does any one have an idea of the cost of 1000 32GB SD cards?
>>
>
> I expect about $2,000, would need some more fishing about in
> http://www.alibaba.com/Memory-Card_pid4406 but that is my impression.
>
>
>> Perhaps, that could be added to the MinEduc budget. The cost to deploy
>> the SD cards in Rwanda is, of course, not negligible.
>>
>
> :)
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam!
>>
>> On 1 April 2016 at 01:24, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years and year
>>> to come.  Similar to Tony's description, but these typically will be using
>>> 32GB SD cards -- thankfully these are incredibly affordable.
>>>
>>
>> What is the typical price the XO-1 units you are prepping for Haiti? Cost
>> of postage + 32Gb SD card + repair (volunteered labor?) + distribution to
>> Haiti?
>>
>
If I told you the "deployment" costs are close to Zero and all the real
costs reside in constructionism nurturing, you'd be forgiven for (1)
refusing to believe the truth and/or (2) nailing me to Seymour Papert /
Sugata Mitra's Cross ;)

So instead I will say that the masculine/military word "deployment"
demonstrates a completely upside-down, twisted, wrong-headed, and genuinely
catastrophic helicopter view of international community development -- both
inside schools and outside of schools.  As Nicholas Negroponte famously
said "training is for dogs" insisting the XO required no accompanying
training (ironic if indeed it's true as I'm told that Nicholas Negroponte
was promised free+unlimited education of his choosing til age 30 or so by
his wealthy family?)

And sad when Dogs I see in Boston here have far better nurturing (and much
higher budgets) than many of Haitian kids I was working with only weeks ago
-- we are great at training+unleashing dogs, but when we open our hearts to
training Haitian teachers and unleashing Haitian kids?

If Nicholas is Googling us, I encourage him to write us with his latest
ideas of unleashing Learning Machines beyond schools, when that noble idea
(academic nobility's idea, never let the data get in the way of a good
theory) of taking laptops home remains am uproarious fantasy, in the
countless poor schools I've visited, no matter how obsessed they are with
doing the right thing (Uruguay begin one of the only exceptions, where
societally-broad social cohesion was so strong, that many kids actually did
take XO's home for a while anyway...)

Don't get me wrong Negroponte is far from a ConstructioNazi, his
ConstructiVista views are far-reaching in fact, and his wealthy friends'
utopian feelings are the reason we are all here whether we admit it or not
-- with the luxury to even be able to talk about XO-1's astonishing
survival and ongoing trajectory!

Which brings us back to the mythology around "deployment" costs, condom
costs vs. wedding ring costs.  Whereas Mark Battley is his poetic
brilliance long ago suggested we ease the military-minded males away from
Flirt+Forget "deployments" towards Flirt+Courtship+OMG Marriage
"implementations", which is at least a step in the right direction.
Something even males understand, while wincing!  (The idea being that
certain marriages are "poorly implemented" being understandable to the most
antisocial of all...perhaps even better understood those further down the
autistic spectrum, who grew up with bad teachers and worse parents, all the
more aware of what they are missing...)

So Love (which fundamentally underlies all teaching/learning) is not a
victory march, and Love never will be.  But before I go completely LGBT on
the different nurturing skillsets required to nurture meaningful
constructionist communities (living, breathing "deployments" that actually
LEARN from themselves...let's save that for another day, as we have Plenty
;-)  Til then, just one little lesson we need to take more seriously during
our next decade:

*"If you have come to help me you are wasting your time, but if your
liberation is bound up with mine then let us walk together."*

Kudos Chris Leonard for bringing these very tough issues into the trenches
(indigenous languages being the ONLY way to bring literacy to the world's
youngest/poorest, so they later _can_ learn French/English/Spanish etc) and
especially those still fighting the good fight in the field every moment
that allows KishwerA - AnishM - TonyA - SebastianS - LauraV - TK - SoraE -
JanissaB - KevinG - RabiK - GermanR - JenniferM - NickD - IanT - GerriL -
Mike Lee...and oh yeah Elaine Negroponte last but not least,
for humbly but consciously choosing to exit her ex-husband's infamous
helicopter which brought us all here, but taking this less-travelled but
far more conscientious path instead~


>>
>>> The resilience/repairability of the XO-1 laptops is the absolutely
>>> fascinating part. Regardless if historians of technology will look down
>>> their noses from the Rich West's / Rich East's de facto preference for
>>> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Adam Holt]

In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years and year to
come.  Similar to Tony's description, but these typically will be using
32GB SD cards -- thankfully these are incredibly affordable.

The resilience/repairability of the XO-1 laptops is the absolutely
fascinating part.  Regardless if historians of technology will look down
their noses from the Rich West's / Rich East's de facto preference for
one-upmanship (throwaway cute gadgets).  Or conversely if they will look
back from Poor/Southern Nations' de facto environmentalism/repair
principles -- purposefully appropriating and re-appropriating a
technologies beyond their intended use.

Generally if the mouse issue is solved on early XO-1 laptops (where early
2007/2008 touchpads were overly annoyingly erratic) then these laptops
continue to long outlast their projected 5-year-lifespan -- if the culture
of learning & electricity are real -- not just adding a USB mouse!  I was
one of several who did not believe in 2007 that a 5-year-lifespan was at
all feasible.  But I turned out to be completely wrong.  And then some~

As usual the real challenges are far more social than technical: deliberate
right-sizing of content/activity planning for the community in question (we
are building a more content-rich version of HaitiOS from Sugar 0.108 and
OLPC OS 13.2.7) while aligning peer-mentoring with adult-mentoring, and of
course pressure from national testing around Grade 6-or-so in almost every
country.  These mammoths-in-the-room epic challenges keep eternally popping
up for a reason (and sometimes even getting answered!!) Human Patterns
across most all developing world communities, on all continents.  Repair of
keyboards/ears and occasional screens is of course also an issue when usage
is very physical among those who won't give kin(esth)etic learning a break,
as every librarian for the last hundred years has known ;-)

PS Dave, read through http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Reuse_checklist if you want
to do a time-lapse overhaul refurb like http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME -- we
even got the security guards involved in helping us out in such physical
repair/upgrades in a restaurant in Haiti less than 2 week ago -- works far
better than Miss/Mister Universe posters I guarantee it :}


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Tony Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi, Dave
>
> My vague recollection is that over 80% of all XOs built are XO-1 models. I
> have one with 0.82 installed and somehow have become reluctant
> to upgrade. It is often valuable to compare how we are doing things now
> with the status then. In addition, an overwhelming number of deployed XO-1s
> are still using that release.
>
> One valuable option is to install Sugar on an SD card  (
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.7). This gives the best of
> both worlds. You
> can boot 0.82 or install the sd card and boot 13.2.7. The sd card should
> provide 4-8GB (compared with the base 1GB). I use 8GB because the price
> per GB is favorable to the 4GB cards.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 04/01/2016 11:30 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> In the thread '[Sugar-devel] Wanted: Record activity port to GStreamer
> 0.10' today James Cameron  wrote:
>
> for the future of Sugar Labs, they should be concentrating on
>> later designs than one from 2007 that is no longer available and
>> rapidly dying from old age.
>>
>
> I just got a XO-1, so I wonder about this :)
>
> Does anyone know (roughly) how many active XO-1 users there are in the
> world today?
>
> And how many Sugar-on-a-regular-desktop-or-laptop (via SOAS or distros)
> users there are?
>
> I guess Sugar has been developed to always run on XO-1s up to the present
> date - is this true?
>
> What do people think about sunset planning for Sugar on XO-1s?
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/2T4Z3wq3oSuyF9Ns5
>
> (I got my XO-1 from eBay, fully working, no dead pixels - will run a
> battery life test on it tonight :) The previous owner had installed 0.82.1
> (released 2008-09-30) so I'll try upgrading it to the latest Fedora XO
> distro and Sugar 0.108.0 (the last stable release from last month) over
> this weekend.)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Just to share some thought before the meeting regarding the l18n. Sure
> that it could feed the debate tomorrow :-)
>
> I'm pretty sure that it's super important for Sugar to be available in
> multiple languages.
> Plus I know the huge works done by all translators (including some guys
> from OLPC France) on this, mostly as volunteers (i.e. unpaid).
>
> As everyone know SugarLabs funds are limited so I think that before
> launching a paid mission of translation.
>

Impact needs to be articulated for sure.  But I'm not sure the above story
about very limited translation funds is correct.  In fact the records seem
to show the opposite:

The TripAdvisor grant specifically allocated "$60,000" for translation, and
especially indigenous languages, as it was explained to me by Walter Bender
in the summer of 2013, when the initial grant was awarded.  This should
come as no surprise given the nature of the donor (TripAdvisor) wanting to
honor endangered languages, relating to its global travel business.

While it is possible to redirect funds away from their intended purpose
(according to SFC, as discussed in February and March) things could also
get very complicated very fast if Sugar Labs chooses to go on record
defying the intent of a major donor.


PS I do not know if the "final" installment ($40,000 of $120,000 total
TripAdvisor grant) is forthcoming or not, as was expected to be received in
October 2015, but hopefully Walter can clarify.  I am trying to clarify our
current balance with SFC, but this takes time apparently.

Finally, if worst case the final TripAdvisor installment is not
forthcoming, then the translation budget would fall from "$60,000" to
"$40,000" (minus 10% of course, paid to SFC for accounting and legal
services).


I think we need to ask a stupid question: What's the need to translate
> Sugar into language X ?
>
> Shortly: if we translate Sugar into X, how many new Sugar users could we
> expect ? Is there guys on the field that actively waiting for this
> translation to deploy Sugar ?
> Because SugarLabs resources are limited, I think we can't invest in a
> language if we can't expect direct benefit.
> So my - very pragmatic - point of view is to have a sort of algorithm: for
> example if the number of potential users is lower than N then we could stay
> in a volunteer mode to handle X translation. Else we could invest money to
> pay a translation mission of X.
> I've got a similar experience regarding our Malagasy deployment. At first
> we heavily explored ways to translate Sugar in Malagasy. We even started
> Malagasy localization in volunteer mode. I guess we reached about 30% of
> localization like this. But finally we understood that Sugar in Malagasy
> will not help us to deploy more and that we have no money to pay for it.
> Worse: most of people locally tell us that is better to use Sugar in French
> on the field because French is important for the curriculum… So we
> definitively stopped the Malagasy localization.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Best regards from France.
>
> Lionel.
>
> 2016-03-30 13:31 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board will be Friday, 1
>> April at 19:00 UTC. Please join us at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting
>> (you can access our IRC channel through the web interface provided at
>> http://chat.sugarlabs.org).
>>
>> Agenda:
>> 1. Google Summer of Code status
>> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
>> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en las
>> lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
>> 4. I18n manager discussion
>> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
>> 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Adam Holt]

On Mar 30, 2016 8:20 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is the current agenda:
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Google Summer of Code status (Walter)
> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning (Walter)
> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en las
lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima (Walter and CJL)
> 4. I18n manager discussion (Tony)
> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria (Walter and CJL)
> 6. Sugar Vision (Lionel)
> 7. Treasurer position and process (Adam and Caryl) See [1]
> 8. Rules of the Road (Adam)

Thanks Walter.  Actual topic is: absenteeism of board members.

In short, proactive replacement of board members who become regularly
absent for whatever unfortunate reason (health, death, resignation, family
obligations, change of life circumstances, etc).

Sometimes life gets in the way (and eventually death) of everyone's service
commitments, and we should honor their past service if so, no hard feelings
as life is about change!

To keep us all moving firmly forward, I will suggest that Board ethics
presume voting very regularly (or actively abstaining, by email if nec) or
if that's not possible: for board members to kindly remove themselves from
the Board if they are unfortunately unable to stay engaged, for whatever
reason.

Certainly we hope no board members ever die, suffer mental incapacitation,
kidnapping etc.  However ongoing decision-making and dynamic governance is
severely disrupted by ongoing absenteeism, whatever the regrettable reason.

So in keeping with the board 2010's decision on this matter from a
different era, I will suggest that if a Board Member (1) fails to vote and
attend pre-scheduled Board meetings for more than 12 weeks, (2) resigns or
(3) dies, then the Board is empowered and encouraged to appoint a
replacement for this seat.

Finally, just a clarification that the Replacement Board Member would be
required to defend their seat during the very next election.

Of course the above is just a proposal, towards nudging forward the
efficiency and effectiveness of Sugar Labs' Board: naturally this (or any
such similar) will need to be voted on by the Board, before it can be
enacted!

> 9. Sugar Translation Projects Fund (Laura)
> 10. ???
>
> I am not sure how we are going to manage to get through the list in one
hour, but I'll try to keep things moving. Topics 1-3 should be quick. Have
some materials prepared in advance will help.
>
> [1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> During February's meeting I was assigned to report back during March's
meeting ideas on how to replace continuously inactive board members -- in a
respectful, consistent and most professional way -- to protect the vibrancy
of our legacy.
>>
>> Then during March's meeting, time did not permit me to present this
high-priority action, ensuring our legacy and governance is purposeful and
on track.
>>
>> Thanks all for keeping clean, proactive governance at the top of our
list, even if only for a few minutes, as yes even an oft-anarchistic
community of dreamers needs cohesive rules-of-the-road :-)
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2016 3:56 PM, "Lionel Laské" <lio...@olpc-france.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Walter,
>>>
>>> As I said at last meeting, I would like to add a topic regarding "Sugar
vision".
>>> Will share a document proposal.
>>>
>>> Best regards from France.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-03-30 13:31 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board will be Friday, 1
April at 19:00 UTC. Please join us at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (you
can access our IRC channel through the web interface provided at
http://chat.sugarlabs.org).
>>>>
>>>> Agenda:
>>>> 1. Google Summer of Code status
>>>> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
>>>> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
>>>> 4. I18n manager discussion
>>>> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
>>>> 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday.
>>>>
>>>> regards.
>>>>
>>>> -walter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Announcing OLPC OS 13.2.7 with Sugar 0.108

[Adam Holt]

Tremendous news, Profound thanks James & the Sugar 0.108 Team!!

Aside: i haven't given up (yet) on a wider array of quality learning videos
(from Internet-in-a-Box 2.0 etc) becoming playable on XO-1 in 2016 so many
years later.  Issues you've well-documented @
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.7#Video_Playback .  But the
truth will announce itself soon enough, as to how far volunteers get
resampling key vids in suitable codecs :}

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 5:26 PM, James Cameron  wrote:

> G'day,
>
> We're pleased to announce the release of OLPC OS 13.2.7 for XO-1,
> XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4.
>
> It is Sugar 0.108 on Fedora 18, with a few activities upgraded.
>
> Details of new features, fixes, known issues, and how to download,
> install or upgrade can be found in the release notes:
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.7
>
> Our thanks to all contributors, testers, upstreams, and those who
> have provided feedback of any kind.
>
> Feedback on the release; write to devel@ mailing list, thanks.
>
> Feedback on Sugar 0.108; write to sugar-devel@ list.
>
> Build file names: 32019o0 32019o1 32019o2 32019o4
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] Trip Advisor grant statement of work

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Adam and the SFC may think these funds are 100% fungible, but I think we
> have an ethical obligation towards the goals of the proposal, which Chris
> has nicely summarized.
>

Indeed, that's precisely what SFConservancy.org explained...Scalia's
"original intent" and "spirit of the original proposal" etc
notwithstanding: as Walter has explained in the past, the spirit of the
$120,000 TripAdvisor Grant was to have 50% dedicated to Turtle Art and 50%
dedicated to translation -- but adjustments can be made en route where
prudent decision-making requires it.


> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Chris Leonard 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Specific info that would help, includes:
>> >
>> > - Grant Time frame
>> > - Is there a Max- Min Budget / Project / Language
>> > - Are there activities/projects/languages restrictions
>> > - Are there fixed rates for translators
>> > - Are there fixed rates for logics roles
>> > - Required Documentation
>> > - And any other relevant information to help comunity members formulate
>> > their translations projects within this logic.
>>
>> Laura,
>>
>> I do not believe such details would be contained in the grant itself,
>> but I must admit that I don't think I ever asked for or saw the
>> TripAdvisor grant paperwork.  Chances are it is not very informative.
>>
>> What I think is perhaps most relevant to your request for information
>> is the attached document which is a template that was developed by the
>> SFC for the purpose of enabling L10n proposals to be made and
>> definitively approved for payment by our fiscal sponsor.  This is
>> really where the "rubber meets the road" (a car enthusiast's term for
>> where the action is or where things actually happen).  Read the
>> attached, I think you'll get the general flavor.
>>
>> To your detailed questions I will try to provide a little more color,
>> noting that while I am not a SLOB any more, and so only speak for
>> myself, but I have been engaged in the L10n/i18n community in various
>> capacities for a while.
>>
>> > - Grant Time frame
>>
>> I think the timeline in the attached document is one year, that is not
>> so much to restrict a successful and productive project from going
>> forward longer than that by mutual agreement, but to protect
>> SugarLabs/SFC from a non-performing contractor so the undispensed
>> funds might be uncommitted and reallocated elsewhere on a timely
>> basis, if needed.
>>
>> > - Is there a Max- Min Budget / Project / Language
>>
>> No Min that I know of, but you'd have to ask, I don't think this
>> should be treated as a "petty cash" fund.  Max is set by funds
>> available and approval received.  Project and Language to be described
>> in the Proposal.
>>
>> > - Are there activities/projects/languages restrictions
>>
>> So far the only executed (or proposed and un-executed) agreements were
>> for work on L10n on Sugar-related strings on our Pootle instance, so
>> we could track deliverables easily.
>>
>> At one point there was discussion of payment for development new
>> needed glibc locales committed upstream (that is a requirement for
>> Sugar to use the language), but that came after I had committed the
>> ayc_PE, quz-PE, quy_PE, niu_NU, niu_NZ locales, split the pap_AN
>> locale into pap_CW and pap_AW, rework of ht_HT, etc., etc.so there was
>> no executed agreement, just discussion in principle.  I wouldn't
>> morally oppose recompense for finally committing to glibc the agr_PE
>> draft locale that I sent to Sebastian for testing (thanks for the
>> improvements, and yes we will get it into glibc in due time), but I
>> haven't pushed to formalize any paperwork, so there isn't any to
>> share.
>>
>> > - Are there fixed rates for translators
>>
>> Not really, expectation would be averaging roughly at current internet
>> published rates (or somewhat better for the rarer indigenous
>> languages), maybe something in the 15-30 cent/word range, but
>> milestone based, not piece-work.  I think that is an important point
>> to keep in mind.
>>
>> > - Are there fixed rates for logics roles
>>
>> Nothing specified, propose something and justify it to the SLOBS/SFC.
>> I've drawn no remuneration for serving in an oversight capacity (yes
>> the strings came in, yes they LOOK like the language requested, yes
>> they pass error checks, etc.)..  Again, I think the desire is to be
>> milestone-based, not hourly rates.
>>
>> > - Required Documentation
>>
>> Besides a fully negotiated/approved proposal and executed version of
>> the attached template adjusted accordingly, there is also a small one
>> page copyright assignment document needed from each contributor, Just
>> detail stuff, I could look for a copy of that somewhere, but it is not
>> interesting or particularly negotiable, just a pro 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Trip Advisor grant statement of work

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
wrote:

>
>
> What I mean is if there are time or activities restrictions for the grant
> execution.
>
> 2016-02-24 11:17 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>:
>
>>
>> 2016-02-14 6:28 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>:
>>
>>> Thank you for sharing this information regarding the Trip Advisor grant.
>>>
>>> Still, in order to be able to make coherent proposals, it would be nice
>>> to have access to the terms signed for the grant execution.
>>>
>>>
>> Any news about this request?
>>
>> Unless the Grant itself stipulates an specific term, I see no reason for
>> not sharing this information.
>>
>>
> Specific info that would help, includes:
>
> - Grant Time frame
> - Is there a Max- Min Budget / Project / Language
> - Are there activities/projects/languages restrictions
> - Are there fixed rates for translators
> - Are there fixed rates for logics roles
> - Required Documentation
> - And any other relevant information to help comunity members formulate
> their translations projects within this logic.
>

Sebastian Silva (your husband) is on an ad hoc 11-person committee Tony
Anderson has very admirably pulled together to try to answer exactly these
kinds questions.  If you can offer him/all suggestions that would help.
The TripAdvisor grant represents fully fungible Sugar Labs funds, according
to SFC Exec Director Karen Sandler, and as such it's up to Sugar Labs
Oversight Board to spend in keeping with the spirit and original intent
(Scalia notwithstanding ;) of the original proposal.

Progress is being made, and I'm hoping Tony and Chris Leonard especially
(the true expert here) can pull together a proposal and/or translation
coordinator roles+responsibilities job description (or some such) to vote
on during to our March 4th board meeting.  In any case, hopefully a
small/rough draft will be published off of this link this wkd or in coming
days, or weeks at the latest:

   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Proposal


>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>> Blessings
>>> Laura Victoria
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-02-13 14:15 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>>
>>>> +localization mailing list
>>>> On Feb 13, 2016 2:06 PM, "Chris Leonard" <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would note that we had interpreted the TripAdvisor scope to include
>>>>> efforts that would have a direct impact on l10n/i18n of Sugar to
>>>>> include such efforts as developing new glibc locales (which are
>>>>> required to be able to implement localization in Sugar).  Although I
>>>>> have never actually followed through with the full request and payment
>>>>> cycle, there was a template agreement developed for such work approved
>>>>> by SFC and on occasion, pre-approval from the SLOBs for a specific
>>>>> effort.  Aymara and Quechua locales were developed and committed to
>>>>> glibc (prior to TripAdvisor grant), a draft Awajun glibc locale was
>>>>> developed and shared with Sebastian Silva for testing, although I
>>>>> still need to follow through with commit to glib, a glibc locale for
>>>>> Niue (the first nation to actually achieve one laptop per child
>>>>> coverage back in the day), significant changes were made to the
>>>>> Papiamento and Haitian locales, etc.  My thinking on the matter is if
>>>>> it is L10n/i18n related and the performance terms can be worked out in
>>>>> advance with SFC and pre-approved by the SLOBs as supporting the
>>>>> SugarLabs mission in a manner that is clearly justifiable to the
>>>>> donor, then it is worth pursuing the discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I haven't been very active, and I am grateful to tch and
>>>>> Sebastian for stepping up to fill the gap on infrastructure support, I
>>>>> still maintain a desire to assist in advancing L10n / i18n efforts.  I
>>>>> still have commit privs to the glibc project and there has been recent
>>>>> talk about porting some unrepresented CLDR locales over to glibc and
>>>>> I've been in touch with the Papiamento team about CLDR locale
>>>>> development (to help then localize LibreOffice).
>>>>>
>>>>> cjl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>&g

Re: [Sugar-devel] Translations

[Adam Holt]

Excellent food for thought Tony!

+Sora, Tim, Nick, Caryl to see if they have ideas/suggestions below?
On Feb 20, 2016 3:35 AM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:

> As I understand the issue: SugarLabs has some funds available to support
> translation of Sugar. At the SLOBs meeting, it was proposed that
> SugarLabs recruit a 'translation manager', a possibly paid position. One
> question is the job description for this role.
>
> I would like to review the translation process:
>
> Translation has two separate parts: internationalization(I18n) and
> localization (L10n).
>
> The Sugar-Devel team is responsible for I18n (preparing the framework to
> support localization) and the community is responsible for L10n - providing
> translations (by default, from English) to other languages.
>
> The immediate focus is on using Pootle as the I18n framework with
> translators providing the localization.
>
> Let's divide the languages into three groups:
>
> - English (the base language)
>
> - Mediums of instruction (languages used at deployments as a common
> language where more than one language is spoken)
>
> - Local language (languages used by students at home)
>
> When a new Sugar release is made, the Pootle English master files should
> be a part of the release. Sugar development should ensure that Pootle files
> are available for all software in the release.
>
> Sugar may want to provide localization for one or more mediums of
> instruction (e.g. Spanish, French, Arabic). Since this would imply that
> files for these localizations are available at release, SugarLabs should
> decide which, if any, of these languages are to be supported.
>
> Deployments (or deployment sponsors) may need localization of Sugar for
> specific local languages (e.g. Kinyarwanda, Haitian Creole,
> Sotho, Xhosa). I believe these localizations are most likely to come from
> Sugar/XO deployments where the language is used. Some would
> seem to be a given - Cambodian.
>
> However, strange things happen. For example, Rwanda is one of the largest
> and most active deployments. However, there is no Kinyarwanda localization.
> The reason is probably that in Rwanda the OLPC laptops are part of a path
> to English. They are introduced at the fourth grade, the first year when
> the required medium of instruction is English. While Kinyarwanda is a
> subject in grades 4-6, the priority is using the XOs to facilitate learning
> in English, Mathematics, and Science.
>
> I believe that the Pootle files are distributed and installed with the
> released image. This should mean that XO users who know English and the
> native language could provide the localization. Once it is complete, the
> files can be installed on the XOs at the deployment and the localization
> would be available at the deployment. Ideally, localization would be done
> by the students as a learning activity. For example, in Rwanda,
> localization to Kinyarwanda would help students a lot in learning English.
> Sameer Verma has provided an excellent tutorial on how to do localization
> which could be included in the Sugar image.
>
> So, the translation manager would be responsible to identify deployments
> which use specific local languages and work with them to organize 'L10n'
> days for new releases. The translation manager should then interface with
> Pootle to submit the localization files for review and acceptance by Pootle.
>
> Sugar development could review Sugar (Python) activities to see if they
> support Pootle and attempt, eg. through GSOC, to get activities upgraded to
> implement Pootle and to include a base set of English Pootle files.
>
> Perhaps OLPC France could be tasked to provide French localization as part
> of the release process. For Spanish, perhaps Sebastian Silva (Peru) or Plan
> Ceibal could accept responsibility for Spanish.
>
> Meanwhile, being on the other side of the world, I have not made progress
> on getting a committee to help put their two cents in on this. Clearly,
> this scenario must be reviewed for Floss Manuals, Sugarizer, and other
> SugarLabs products which don't fit in this one. Also, how to provide
> localization of IIAB-2 content is, at least, a formidable question.
>
> Tony
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Trip Advisor grant statement of work

[Adam Holt]

+localization mailing list
On Feb 13, 2016 12:32 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Nick Doiron  wrote:
>
>> That's great news. Is this specifically for localizing Sugar OS and the
>> core activities, or can it be applied more generally to Haitian Creole
>> language resources for Sugar / Sugarizer ?
>>
> I think the spirit of the Trip Advisor grant is such that it could be
> applied more generally to Sugar / Sugarizer resources. We need to define a
> scope of work as per the other i18n contracts we have written. Something
> along the lines of:
>
> Exhibit A – The Proposal
>
> Conservancy agrees to pay the Contractor Milestone Fees according to the
> following schedule,
> contingent upon the receipt and approval of Milestone Submissions
> corresponding to
> the Milestones listed below. For the purposes of this Agreement,
> Contractor is to provide
> sufficient internationalization and localization services to prepare the
> Work for use in the
> Aymara language, in compliance with ISO 639-1 Code “ay”.
>
> All of Contractor’s services for the completion of these Milestones shall
> be prepared for
> submission to the Sugar Labs: Translation System server, which can be
> found online here:
> http://translate.sugarlabs.org/.
>
> 1. Milestone 1.
> Contractor is to complete translation of the Sugar and the Sugar toolkit
> projects, which
> are collectively comprised of approximately 100 words.
> sugar: http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ayc/sugar/
> sugar-toolkit-gtk3: http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ayc/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/
> Milestone Fee for Milestone 1 = $100 USD.
>
> 2. Milestone 2.
> Contractor is to complete translation of the Music Blocks translation
> project, which is
> comprised of approximately 100 words.
> The Music Blocks translation project can be found online here:
> https://github.com/
> walterbender/musicblocks/blob/master/po/ayc.po
> Milestone Fee for Milestone 2 = $100 USD.
>
> There are a few other details to sort out in setting up a contract,
> including copyright assignment and proper licensing. All pretty straight
> forward once we actually have translators identified.
>
> Happy to answer any questions.
>
> -walter
>
>
>
>> On Feb 13, 2016 8:38 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>
>>> Haitian was not mentioned specifically in the Trip Advisor grant, but we
>>> did allocate funds (still unspent AFAIK) for Haitian Creole. Love to invest
>>> in that effort if you can identify someone to do the work.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Nick Doiron 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Walter and SLOBs,

 In 2013, I was asked to participate in a Haitian Creole translation
 program with SugarLabs, TripAdvisor, and EducaVision. Predictably, there
 was a trivial software issue and I never saw this work completed.

 I did release a Sugar activity which is on "HaitiOS" laptops today, and
 a static HTML+JS app which you can access here
 https://github.com/mapmeld/diy-dictionary

 I don't see Haiti mentioned in your TripAdvisor email.  I have friends
 still working with Sugar in Haiti, so I'm curious, is money still allocated
 for Haitian Creole? After 3 years, can another Creole translator be
 selected? Thanks.

 Regards,
 Nick Doiron

 On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Walter Bender  wrote:

> I was asked to repost the statement of work from the Trip Advisor
> grant. Here it is:
>
> There are two specific goals for the Tripadvisor grant:
>
> (1) Broaden the reach of our indigenous language support. Currently we
> have language projects in ~150 languages (for example, we cover Aymara,
> Quechua, Gurani and other languages of the Andes region). But the problem
> is enormous: for example, in Nigeria, there are more than 300 languages
> spoken. We only have partial coverage in four of these languages. We need
> to push much harder on making Sugar be available in the local language of
> the learner; this requires both outreach and coordination that is above 
> and
> beyond what we can support strictly through our volunteer efforts. So we
> are hoping to establish a seed fund to help with translation efforts:
> augmenting the efforts of our volunteers with some professional 
> translation
> services in Latin America, Africa, and South Asia.
>
> (2) Support for a major new outreach initiative we are launching in
> October 2013. We are celebrating International Turtle Art Day (Turtle Art
> is a programming environment for children that is one of the cornerstone
> apps bundled with the Sugar platform.) We are trying to:
> * Promote the use of Turtle Art (We have three million users, but
> would like to double that number over the next three years);
> * Share and 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Trip Advisor grant statement of work

[Adam Holt]

+localization mailing list
On Feb 13, 2016 2:06 PM, "Chris Leonard"  wrote:

> I would note that we had interpreted the TripAdvisor scope to include
> efforts that would have a direct impact on l10n/i18n of Sugar to
> include such efforts as developing new glibc locales (which are
> required to be able to implement localization in Sugar).  Although I
> have never actually followed through with the full request and payment
> cycle, there was a template agreement developed for such work approved
> by SFC and on occasion, pre-approval from the SLOBs for a specific
> effort.  Aymara and Quechua locales were developed and committed to
> glibc (prior to TripAdvisor grant), a draft Awajun glibc locale was
> developed and shared with Sebastian Silva for testing, although I
> still need to follow through with commit to glib, a glibc locale for
> Niue (the first nation to actually achieve one laptop per child
> coverage back in the day), significant changes were made to the
> Papiamento and Haitian locales, etc.  My thinking on the matter is if
> it is L10n/i18n related and the performance terms can be worked out in
> advance with SFC and pre-approved by the SLOBs as supporting the
> SugarLabs mission in a manner that is clearly justifiable to the
> donor, then it is worth pursuing the discussion.
>
> Although I haven't been very active, and I am grateful to tch and
> Sebastian for stepping up to fill the gap on infrastructure support, I
> still maintain a desire to assist in advancing L10n / i18n efforts.  I
> still have commit privs to the glibc project and there has been recent
> talk about porting some unrepresented CLDR locales over to glibc and
> I've been in touch with the Papiamento team about CLDR locale
> development (to help then localize LibreOffice).
>
> cjl
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Nick Doiron  wrote:
> > That's great news. Is this specifically for localizing Sugar OS and the
> core
> > activities, or can it be applied more generally to Haitian Creole
> language
> > resources for Sugar / Sugarizer ?
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2016 8:38 AM, "Walter Bender" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Haitian was not mentioned specifically in the Trip Advisor grant, but we
> >> did allocate funds (still unspent AFAIK) for Haitian Creole. Love to
> invest
> >> in that effort if you can identify someone to do the work.
> >>
> >> regards.
> >>
> >> -walter
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Nick Doiron 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Walter and SLOBs,
> >>>
> >>> In 2013, I was asked to participate in a Haitian Creole translation
> >>> program with SugarLabs, TripAdvisor, and EducaVision. Predictably,
> there was
> >>> a trivial software issue and I never saw this work completed.
> >>>
> >>> I did release a Sugar activity which is on "HaitiOS" laptops today,
> and a
> >>> static HTML+JS app which you can access here
> >>> https://github.com/mapmeld/diy-dictionary
> >>>
> >>> I don't see Haiti mentioned in your TripAdvisor email.  I have friends
> >>> still working with Sugar in Haiti, so I'm curious, is money still
> allocated
> >>> for Haitian Creole? After 3 years, can another Creole translator be
> >>> selected? Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Nick Doiron
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Walter Bender <
> walter.ben...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  I was asked to repost the statement of work from the Trip Advisor
> grant.
>  Here it is:
> 
>  There are two specific goals for the Tripadvisor grant:
> 
>  (1) Broaden the reach of our indigenous language support. Currently we
>  have language projects in ~150 languages (for example, we cover
> Aymara,
>  Quechua, Gurani and other languages of the Andes region). But the
> problem is
>  enormous: for example, in Nigeria, there are more than 300 languages
> spoken.
>  We only have partial coverage in four of these languages. We need to
> push
>  much harder on making Sugar be available in the local language of the
>  learner; this requires both outreach and coordination that is above
> and
>  beyond what we can support strictly through our volunteer efforts. So
> we are
>  hoping to establish a seed fund to help with translation efforts:
> augmenting
>  the efforts of our volunteers with some professional translation
> services in
>  Latin America, Africa, and South Asia.
> 
>  (2) Support for a major new outreach initiative we are launching in
>  October 2013. We are celebrating International Turtle Art Day (Turtle
> Art is
>  a programming environment for children that is one of the cornerstone
> apps
>  bundled with the Sugar platform.) We are trying to:
>  * Promote the use of Turtle Art (We have three million users, but
> would
>  like to double that number over the next three years);
>  * Share and promote best practices (We want to ensure that our users
> are
> 

[Sugar-devel] financial summaries posted for Sugar Labs' 4 fiscal years 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

[Adam Holt]

I'm still trying the understand the many financial documents forwarded by
http://SFConservancy.org overnight (received by all 7 Sugar Labs Oversight
Board office holders this morning) which go back to Sugar Labs' inception
in 2008, towards understanding what's most important to publish.  But this
is a good start:

   https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance

Over a dozen figures are posted from each of Sugar Labs' 4 most recent
fiscal years 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015.

I don't have an accounting degree (unfortunately, so much of this language
is new to me!) but if anybody has further questions, I can try to do more
research and post a bit more as necessary.

Finally as we begin to look from the past to the future, thank you to
Walter Bender for researching why TripAdvisor's third annual payment of
$40,000 which has not yet arrived, as would normally have been expected in
October 2015,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Ombudsman

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> FYI, Bert has agreed to continue in the role as ombudsman [1] for Sugar
> Labs.
>

Thanks Bert, and thanks Walter for making this happen.

Minutes from today's meeting are available at [2].
>

I misspoke about "[amount] in Sugar Lab's bank account" being $81,966.88
during today's meeting, as this is my first day ever seeing these Sugar
Labs financial files, and beginning to understand them.  The amount is
correct, but the correct terminology is "Net Assets" as clarified below.

A big thank you to the Software Freedom Conservancy for providing these
files (quite a complete financial history of Sugar Labs) to the entire
SLOBS board overnight.  I'll begin to summarize this (financial essentials
from recent years) to the regrettably very dated page
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance from Feb 2012, after I understand more
over the weekend what these files mean.

For now here's the latest summary balance sheet, projected to Feb 29th
2016, which is the end of our financial year:

   Cash: $101,375.99
   Accounts Receivable: $1,914.55
   Total Assets: $103,290.54

   Accounts Payable: $0.40
   Liabilities, Credit Cards: $8,639.86
   Donated To [Software Freedom] Conservancy: $12,683.40
   Total Liabilities $21,323.66

   NET ASSETS: $81,966.88


** Obviously this is a PROJECTION several weeks into the future (today
being Feb 12) so again the above is JUST AN ESTIMATE of a likely outcome
for Feb 29th 2016, last day of our financial year! **
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] scheduling our next meeting

[Adam Holt]

On Feb 5, 2016 2:41 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
> Whereas you are the official liaison to the SFC, it should be you to
contact Bradley. He should be able give you access to some financial widget
he maintains. I can help you in terms of tallying all of the expenses
associated with Trip Advisor, which is currently the only active research
grant we have open.

Thanks.  I don't know anybody at the Software Freedom Conservancy: can you
send me contact information including phone number(s)/irc if possible
and/or make an introduction if that's best?

> Everything else is general operating fund -- most of which has come from
Google in support of our participation in GCI and GSoC.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2016 6:58 PM, "Tony Anderson" <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > 1600 UTC is midnight here in the Philippines. This will, of course,
improve in May when I will be on the same time as Lionel.
>>
>> See you in 8 days.  We'll give Tony 2 votes every time he stays up til
midnight ;)
>>
>> More seriously, what can we each do to get a full financial balance
sheet in front of all board members, prior to meeting Feb 12?  Walter hit
me privately if I should contact SFC to make this happen, and if so who do
I reach out to and how?
>>
>> (Advance warning "North America" moves clocks forward 1 hour on March
13, and EU does the same March 27...specifically Lionel may ask us to
advance meeting times to 1500UTC after that date!?)
>>
>> > Tony
>> >
>> >
>> > On 02/05/2016 05:52 AM, Sameer Verma wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I can do 1600 UTC. I think you meant Feb 12?
>> >>
>> >> Sameer
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Sounds like we are converging. For me, Fridays at 16h00-17h00 UTC
would work. Shall we try for January 12?
>> >>>
>> >>> regards.
>> >>>
>> >>> -walter
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Lionel Laské <lio...@olpc-france.org>
wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BTW I could manage as well during the week (monday-friday) from
9h00 UTC to 17h00 UTC.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2016-02-03 21:57 GMT+01:00 Lionel Laské <lio...@olpc-france.org>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> First, thanks to all of you that give me their vote. Really
appreciate your confidence.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I guess that UTC 15h00-17h00 should be okay on most timezone.
>> >>>>> I can manage it if we plan meetings one or two weeks before.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards from France.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>   Lionel
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2016-02-03 20:06 GMT+01:00 Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm OK with times between 9AM and 10PM, except for 12pm to 4pm
and 7pm to 10pm on Mondays and Wednesdays (teaching schedule). Weekends are
OK too, but not as structured. All times are Pacific.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>> Sameer
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Feb 2, 2016 12:17 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It being 3AM in Thailand, I forgot to say thank you for Carly,
Sebastian, and Samson for there efforts in the membership drive and running
the election. Thanks :)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> regards.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -walter
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Walter Bender <
walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Welcome Lionel, Tony, and Sameer to the new Sugar Labs
oversight board. And welcome back Jose Miguel, Adam, and Claudia.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Daniel, Gonzalo, and Chris, many thanks for all that  you have
done for the Sugar Lab community. Your efforts and generosity are much
appr

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] scheduling our next meeting

[Adam Holt]

On Feb 4, 2016 6:58 PM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:
>
> 1600 UTC is midnight here in the Philippines. This will, of course,
improve in May when I will be on the same time as Lionel.

See you in 8 days.  We'll give Tony 2 votes every time he stays up til
midnight ;)

More seriously, what can we each do to get a full financial balance sheet
in front of all board members, prior to meeting Feb 12?  Walter hit me
privately if I should contact SFC to make this happen, and if so who do I
reach out to and how?

(Advance warning "North America" moves clocks forward 1 hour on March 13,
and EU does the same March 27...specifically Lionel may ask us to advance
meeting times to 1500UTC after that date!?)

> Tony
>
>
> On 02/05/2016 05:52 AM, Sameer Verma wrote:
>>
>> I can do 1600 UTC. I think you meant Feb 12?
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2016 1:18 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like we are converging. For me, Fridays at 16h00-17h00 UTC would
work. Shall we try for January 12?
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

 BTW I could manage as well during the week (monday-friday) from 9h00
UTC to 17h00 UTC.

 2016-02-03 21:57 GMT+01:00 Lionel Laské :
>
> Hi all,
>
> First, thanks to all of you that give me their vote. Really
appreciate your confidence.
>
> I guess that UTC 15h00-17h00 should be okay on most timezone.
> I can manage it if we plan meetings one or two weeks before.
>
> Best regards from France.
>
>   Lionel
>
> 2016-02-03 20:06 GMT+01:00 Sameer Verma :
>>
>> I'm OK with times between 9AM and 10PM, except for 12pm to 4pm and
7pm to 10pm on Mondays and Wednesdays (teaching schedule). Weekends are OK
too, but not as structured. All times are Pacific.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2016 12:17 PM, "Walter Bender" 
wrote:
>>>
>>> It being 3AM in Thailand, I forgot to say thank you for Carly,
Sebastian, and Samson for there efforts in the membership drive and running
the election. Thanks :)
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Walter Bender <
walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Welcome Lionel, Tony, and Sameer to the new Sugar Labs oversight
board. And welcome back Jose Miguel, Adam, and Claudia.

 Daniel, Gonzalo, and Chris, many thanks for all that  you have
done for the Sugar Lab community. Your efforts and generosity are much
appreciated.

 Sam, Laura, and Ed, thank you for making the effort to become part
of the SL oversight board. I hope yo will participate even without a voting
role.

 Now that we have a new SLOB team, we need to find a regular time
to meet. We are spread across more time zones than in the past, so it may
be a bit more difficult to schedule a time that works for everyone (23UTC
is great for UY and the US East Coast, but less convenient in FR and the US
West Coast. And Tony is seemingly everywhere.

 I suppose we could use technology to set up a survey to choose a
time of day, but perhaps the end points (Tony, Lionel, and Sameer) can
narrow the search space for us first.

 Please discuss it.

 regards.

 -walter

 PS: I will update the SLOB mailing list ASAP.
 --
 Walter Bender
 Sugar Labs
 http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter Bender
>>> Sugar Labs
>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] "Modern" Browser XO-1

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> What's the most "modern" browser someone could install on an XO-1? (either
> Sugar or Gnome side). What options do we have for upgrading to support
> specific apps?
>
> This is a generic question that I figure others would be interested. I
> have a specific problem I want to deal with in the future, but not enough
> information to ask a good question about it yet.
>

This affects so many so I'm expanding the conversation to others who know
more: what modern/snappy browsers do different folk out there find are most
viable for XO-1 (primarily, but all other XO laptops too) going forward?

For offline content / offline deployments especially, where security risks
are theoretically a lot lower -- but yet these schools increasingly need to
render "modern" HTML5/Javascript content, and will use Gnome or Sugar
depending which browser's best -- and hopefully Sugarizer soon too!
Currently on the SD cards for XO-1 we're preparing for many countries (and
Los Angeles' big SCaLE show in 10 days) we include these 3 browsers so
people have options:

OLPC Release 13.2.6's Browse activity (far better than older browsers ;)
Epiphany on Gnome (wonderfully fast!)
Firefox 26.0 on Gnome (I wish something more up-to-date was available
for Fedora 18, but apparently not?)

Going forward what subtleties should we be paying attention to between
browsers to do better?  Separately, why does Firefox 43.x still seem like a
hog after so many years, after major improvement recently isolating tabs
from one another as Chrome pioneered?  (And where is Nick Doiron hiding in
Asia, to solve all our front-end problems when we need him ;-)

Thanks all for digging deeper into this annoying-yet-central question --
hemlines rise and fall in the fashion industry of which browsers are
coolest/fastest one year to the next -- but at the same time we need to
come full circle making strong recommendations to deployments that
constantly keep asking us =}

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[Sugar-devel] "Free collaborative apps for 1:1 classrooms"

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 6:08 AM, samson goddy 
wrote:

> Someone tweeted @sugar_labs via twitter, asking if the sugarlabs might be
> interested in this application. But it seems like she does not know that
> Sugar Labs has an OS. But the interesting thing is the approach about the
> application. It will be really good to have something like this as an
> activity in Sugar OS so it might make work for teachers in school easier.
> Here is the link to the site http://spiral.ac
>

Thanks much Samson: software constructively involving teachers with 1-to-1
devices collaborating everywhere around the schoolyard (in this case from
University College London) ain't ever easy!

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[Sugar-devel] how to run script upon/after XO's 1st boot?

[Adam Holt]

1) Can a script be run at the end of Sugar's first boot?  Or really anytime
after gsettings name/gender/grade stuff?  (After every boot if nec.)

I tried inserting a script very late within /usr/bin/sugar (however that
runs too early during Sugar's 1st boot) but I'm now remember an
autoexec.bat-style /home/olpc/.olpc- file Quozl mentioned
earlier which is auto-run for testing --- hopefully near the end of Sugar's
launch, does anyone recall such/similar?

(Crazy Talk: might be there be some way to trigger off the creation of
/home/olpc/.olpc-configured which apparently happens during 1st boot?  In
any case, 1st boot or any-subsequent-boot can be resolved trivially, given
a suitable trigger/callout we need near the end of Sugar's every bootup
sequence, regardless whether 1st-boot or every-subsequent-boot...)


2) Much Harder Question, which might not be solvable:

Resetting ("gsettings reset ...") or renaming Sugar's nick from Terminal
using "gsettings set org.sugarlabs.user nick TEST-MACHINE-XYZ" works!  But
scripting this doesn't work using 'su - olpc -c "gsettings set
org.sugarlabs.user nick DEFAULT-MACHINE-XYZ" ' fails, with error:

** (process:2326): CRITICAL **: unable to create directory
'run/user/0/dconf': Permission denied. dconf not working properly.

** (process:2326): WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Error
spawning command line 'dbus-launch
--autolaunch=7115ce3ab0574964a6590ee50e4be226 --binary-syntax
--close-stderr': Child process exited with code 1

(Might there be any other ways to script this / skin this cat?)
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[Sugar-devel] School Server + Sugarizer 0.6 to 0.7 Summary Minutes

[Adam Holt]

Thanks everyone who joined the Sugarizer+School Server call very early this
morning!  Extra special thanks to Lionel for taking time out of his family
vacation, and Tim who put together the flawless live collaboration demo
everyone took part in together, essentially a working XSCE+Sugarizer.

All who attended please if you can now beef up the call's Minutes/Summary
below for others even better, Thanks :)

   http://tinyurl.com/xsceminutes

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[Sugar-devel] Tony Anderson's platform, running for Sugar Labs Oversight Board

[Adam Holt]

Very encouraging to see Sugaristas' Long Term Support discussions of any
kind: how to innovate sustaining old hardware with new software, how to
balance hacker contributors' critical motivations with 3rd world educators'
excruciating economics, how to think about Server-Sugar interactions
evolving online and off(*). Etc...with so many earnest constituencies of
this cathartic 21st century movement sometimes working at cross purposes
for literally no reason at all ~ it's time for our 3 cups of tea (or beers
below ;)

Say it ain't so, Joe??  Those of us who've spent thousands of dollars on
computation in our lives (likely 90+ % of all Sugar Labs Members) cannot
transplant our tech-privilege to the world's most resource-starved human
beings, fighting for a chance to learn, Try As We Mightily Did.  Instead,
Humanity needs to face our edutechno-treadmill resourcing question together
-- technorich/edupoor alongside technopoor/edurich alongside
committed-to-the-end support volunteers of every kind in between.  A
prescriptive "Sugar Deployment Guide" may never fly (but please don't
dismiss author James Simmons trying!)  There will Certainly always be
plentiful "Sugar Learning Guidance/Fieldback" we ignore at our peril, but
statistical approaches arrive incrementally in the face of all our
challenges, as Walter outlined a year ago:
https://olpcau.atlassian.net/wiki/display/XOS/Meeting+Background+-+Current+Status#comment-28966940

NOT easy when the $50-device-movement advocating
de-facto-disposable-phablets and de-facto-disposable-OS's across the
developing world, is willfully insulting almost every kid's
environmental/constructionist/journalistic intelligence.  With the
shallowest digital distractions posing as education surging into the
developing world riding hog over Net Neutrality and 2015's Millenium
Development Goals, can we avoid facing / coexisting with advertising
industry edutainment much longer?  And if so how, purposefully??  (a
counterexample is India, where "Facebook Free Basics" has barely made
inroads despite vast promotions we're told, FWIW).  Which bring us to
Tony's vision of the urgencies standing before us in 2016:

   https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Platform

As we enter the Sugar/OLPC Movement's 2nd decade now (3 decades shapes a
generation?) sincere thanks Tony for nudging our tech-bro cultural
assumptions, trying to reboot a field dominated by women (teachers of all
kind are majority female in most countries) clearly needing a profound
rethink, from Negroponte's helicopter saturation-marketing dream where we
all began...that is until the League of Women Voters helps us out issuing
an official "Making Democracy Work" voter education card for Sugar Labs'
Jan 17-23 Election anyway??  (Reminder: sign up to vote/participate @
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members !)

Or if we wait too long time for that (yes Christoph Derndorfer's hair is
long enough, if he wants to write us an LWV-style comparative voting guide,
reviving OLPCNews.com for just 1 month) it might be best to move/rename
Tony's above official-looking top-level [[Platform]] page.  Connecting it
some other way to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tony37 (unless Tony
you're truly vying to become Sugar Labs' new Executive Director, now that
the E.D. role's Bottomless Beer Tab executive privilege
turtles-upon-turtles-all-the-way-down has been leaked to all :-)

(*) Our Wedn Dec 30th call, even if way too early for Free Beer at 9:30AM
NYC Time (we'll stick to Free Education this time, sorry) is open to all
who want to think about *Sugarizer.org running from online and offline
school servers* especially.  Thanks to special guest Lionel Laske, the
original creator Sugarizer.  Open agenda @ http://tinyurl.com/xsceminutes
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] I'm candidate

[Adam Holt]

On Dec 14, 2015 5:02 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm proud to announce that I'm candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight
board [1].
> For those that don't know me, I've updated my profile here [2].
>
> Hope to be able to join the team.
>
> Best regards from France.

Cool, if Sugarizer runs on 2015 Tesla's and 1990s phones (or at least
XO-1's ;) I'll print stickers and guarantee you at least 1000 votes from
Haiti alone, Deal?!

Byenveni !

>Lionel.
>
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Llaske
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[Sugar-devel] congrats James & All for imminent Release 13.2.6!

[Adam Holt]

Hopefully OLPC's download.laptop.org will come back to life later this wkd
possibly?  So all can try this on the classic 4 XO laptops:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/13.2.6

While OLPC Release 13.2.6 has technically been released today according to
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases, in anticipation of James Cameron's
formal announcement in coming days, can Gonzalo and Martin Abente provide a
bit of supportive context around the stability of "unstable" 0.107
(included in 13.2.6) vs "stable" 0.108 expected Feb 1st 2016, to calm
deployments' worst fears?

http://sugar-devel.sugarlabs.narkive.com/XR4185MI/announcing-unstable-0-107-0-release
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.108/Roadmap

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] How to install TuxMath and TuxPaint on Release 13.2.5+ on "ALL" XOs!

[Adam Holt]

On Oct 17, 2015 12:41 AM,  wrote:
> 15 second startup as  on OLPC version 11.* rather that of  > 60 seconds
with TuxMath-3.2 wrapper Activity.

True, the TuxMath-3.1 we tested earlier this week also takes >60 seconds to
start on 13.2.5 on XO-1.  I have no idea why this should be so different
from 11.3.0 (Fedora 14) and 12.1.0 (Fedora 17).  But this may be quite
obvious to others more knowledgeable?
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[Sugar-devel] How to install TuxMath and TuxPaint on Release 13.2.5+ on "ALL" XOs!

[Adam Holt]

DRAFT: http://download.unleashkids.org/HaitiOS/tux/readme.txt

Thanks to Jerry Vonau who laid this out for many of us at the IIAB/XSCE
summit in Toronto this past weekend.

WARNING: ain't yet fully tested across all XO laptops {XO-1, XO-1.5,
XO-1.75, XO-4} and improvements are most welcome!  For example we are
unsure where to use TuxMath-3.1.xo, and when to use TuxMath-3.2.xo ?

Finally we're unsure how to force these 2 activities to appear in Sugar's
ring during auto-installation via OS Builder -- not quite working for
reasons unclear-
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] Meeting reminder

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:05 PM, James Cameron  wrote:

> G'day Walter,
>
> It has emerged that 23 UTC is not 6pm Boston.
>
> Could meetings be called using only UTC please?  ;-)
>

If so use:
http://google.com/search?q=utc+time

I like Bert Freudenberg prefer to pick 1 real city where many of us
Actually Live, whichever one does not matter -- but including that 1 single
link (whichever) keeps everyone honest:
http://google.com/search?q=nyc+time
http://google.com/search?q=lima+time
http://google.com/search?q=boston+time
http://google.com/search?q=montevideo+time

On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 11:00:29AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> > Tomorrow (5 October) is the first Monday of the month. We will have a
> > meeting at 23:00 UTC (6PM in Boston; 4PM in Managua; 6PM in
> > Port-au-Prince; 7PM in Asuncion; 8PM in Montevideo; 8PM in BA;
> > midnight in Paris; 4:30 AM in Dehli; 10AM (+1) in Sydney).
> >
> > Please join us.
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] how to remove WiFi credential/history from Sugar?

[Adam Holt]

On Sep 28, 2015 6:00 AM, "James Cameron" <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 03:59:38PM -0400, Adam Holt wrote:
> > But I finally got it!  WiFi password was ALSO cached in:
> >
> >/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/keys-WAN
>
> You're not using an OLPC build, the latest is based on Fedora 18, and
> Fedora 18 does not do this.

It's a highly experimental giant build on Fedora 20 that includes
Internet-in-a-Box, and so is not easily distributable yet (physically
shipping is required, download too expensive).  But I could be wrong;
George Hunt would know more.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] how to remove WiFi credential/history from Sugar?

[Adam Holt]

On Sep 25, 2015 1:23 PM, "Kevin Gordon"  wrote:
>
> not at an XO at the moment but 
>
> check the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ directory
>
> Or maybe a command line thingy like nmcli connection delete id
 will do what you want?

My thoughts exactly.  I tried the 2 above deletes, and the XO-1.5 continues
to reboot holding the passworded WiFi connection.  Wacked!  Perhaps I am
not running nmcli correctly, as it does not complete-

> KG
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Jerry Vonau  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On September 25, 2015 at 12:06 PM Paul Fox  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > adam wrote:
>> >  > "rm /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/key_" does not fully
delete a
>> >  > WiFi
>> >  > credential, even after reboot of the XO-1.5 with Sugar 0.106.0, the
>> >  > password is clearly still buried+working in the system somewhere.
>> >
>> > under sugar, i think it's in the control panel, under Network.
>> >
>>
>> Think that just deletes the ifcfg files, aren't passwords stored in the
>> keyring?
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> > paul
>> >
>> >  >
>> >  > Anywhere else obvious to look?  Or wipe out all WiFi credentials +
>> >  > history?  I've also looked in the following 2 diretories which are
>> >  > both
>> >  > empty:
>> >  >
>> >  >/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
>> >  >/bootpart/security/state/
>> >  >
>> >  > It's called the N.ice S.ugar A.gency after all taking my password
who
>> >  > knows
>> >  > where...Thanks for ideas =)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] how to remove WiFi credential/history from Sugar?

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Kurt H Maier  wrote:

> So, it's not in the gnome keyring.  is it in
> /home/olpc/.sugar/default/nm/networks.cfg ?
>

Nothing obvious in /home/olpc/.sugar/default and no nm within
/home/olpc/.sugar/default on this XO-1.5.  In fact when I did "rm -rf
/home/olpc/.sugar" it continued to auto-connect to the passworded WiFi
after reboot.  *But I finally got it!  WiFi password was ALSO cached in:*

   /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/keys-WAN

In addition to:

   /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/keys-

Apologies if this has something to do with XSCE running on the same
XO-1.5?  Hopefully others can explain how this happened, as I remain quite
dumb for now, but happy it's resolved =)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] how to remove WiFi credential/history from Sugar?

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Paul Fox  wrote:

> try:
> cd /etc
> sudo grep -R  .
>

It responds, as expected:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-WAN:ESSID=


> cd /home/olpc
> sudo grep -R  .
>

No results at all.  I ran "find . -name **" from both places
as well.

Profound mystery!  Somewhere in the bowels of Fedora presumably?  To
triple-check all assumptions, I've rebooted many times and the
very-much-passworded WiFi auto-connects every time.  (Auto-connected from
Sugar anyway, though not auto-connecting from Gnome seemingl, when I tried
rebooting from Gnome back into Gnome).


> on older releases, sugar kept the network config separate, under
> /home/olpc/.sugar, i think.  it took a while before gnome and
> sugar wifi configs were synced.
>
> paul
> =-
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Re: [Sugar-devel] how to remove WiFi credential/history from Sugar?

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Paul Fox  wrote:

> adam wrote:
>  > "rm /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/key_" does not fully delete a
> WiFi
>  > credential, even after reboot of the XO-1.5 with Sugar 0.106.0, the
>  > password is clearly still buried+working in the system somewhere.
>
> under sugar, i think it's in the control panel, under Network.
>

Thx for the reminder.

I should've mentioned scripting's the goal here- if someone knows where
SSID passwords are actually buried?

paul
>
>  > Anywhere else obvious to look?  Or wipe out all WiFi credentials +
>  > history?  I've also looked in the following 2 diretories which are both
>  > empty:
>  >
>  >/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
>  >/bootpart/security/state/
>  >
>  > It's called the N.ice S.ugar A.gency after all taking my password who
> knows
>  > where...Thanks for ideas =)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Community XO software builds

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
wrote:

 I saw some discussion last week about the community XO software builds.

 This seems to be something which gets many people excited.

 However according to my web server, there have not been very many
 downloads of them.

 If I may ask:

- Who actually is using/testing these images?


I have asked quite a number of deployments to try
http://www.greenfeld.org/xo/community/builds/ but they are very resistant
to try until others have documented first.  Breaking this Vicious Cycle
won't happen overnight, but a Virtuous Cycle is possible, if we build
tight/participatory documentation around key builds-


- Why?


They all seem to want a better browser and better codec support to view
various+sundry videos, within Sugar ideally, but if that's not possible
then within Gnome.  One group per week asks me for the above, above all
else (often more than one deployment/group per week).



- Is there a reason you are not looking into using an official (OLPC
or deployment) build?


James Cameron and Nathan Riddle have made tremendous progress with SD cards
improving XO-1 builds, but this is not financially viable in most all
impoverished countries where we work.


- Have you engaged OLPC or another party to work on changes?


In the past: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/HaitiOS is a derivative of OLPC
Release 12.1.0 widely deployed starting in early 2014 thanks to the
volunteer work of James Cameron, George Hunt and many others.

While it's not financially or logistically viable to rebase every year,
OLPC or Community OS 15.x.x in the coming year (if such an OS arises with
better codec support, better browser support, sufficiently stable Sugar
and/or sufficient speed) will affect MANY thousands of people, inside Haiti
and far outside Haiti.  (On XO-1s especially; the 3 other more modern XO
laptops always crop up too).


- What direction do you believe the builds should go?


Reliability.  Impoverished countries are very accustomed to dealing with
broken leftovers + electronic waste shipped to them by rich countries, so
don't ask for perfection, but do ask for basic sanitation...

If it's truly achievable, Gonzalo is right to push for CentOS durability
rather the Fedora treadmill which creates many quite unintended
casualties.  The world has become a more dangerous place that 2007 when XO
mass production began: we are now almost a decade later with intermittent
2G/3G nearly ubiquitous across the 3rd World (no matter how pricy+tenuous,
I no longer run into communities that can say with a straight face they are
completely offline).  Sneakernet is to be encouraged, but the consequence
is that schools' inability to easily patch F18-based XO's against
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellshock_%28software_bug%29 and the drumroll
of similar security holes, is emerging as an existential threat to their XO
learning environments.

But if CentOS is not realistically achievable, F22 might be more
appropriate, given it's final freeze is supposed to be less than 1 week
away?

Building XO builds by repacking existing work is relatively trivial.

 But the low-level kernel, driver, and OS work necessary to support XOs
 with newer operating systems (as well as newer XO batteries) is something I
 cannot do, and where we really need help.

 Without guidance from OLPC or others, I could build thousands of XO-#
 laptop images.  But unless it looks like a significant number of
 deployments/children actually would benefit, there really is no point.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Testing alias

[Adam Holt]

 My intention was to cut through the red tape and get Samson onto the
committee. I don't believe the vote was necessary,

Appointing election officials in private becomes an increasingly dangerous
game -- better to keep all informed on Day 1.

Nigerians (like Samson) understand this all too well, after living through
decades of kleptocracy.

Thank you Samson for your understanding, and energies as a Public Servant
most important: welcome aboard!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing alias

[Adam Holt]

+1 to Samson Goddy even if the Nigerian govt did not allow me to meet him
during my less than 48hrs in country February (due to a more famous
Goodluck/Badluck election ;)

The following page says the Membership and Elections Committee can be
emailed via elections at sugarlabs.org :
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Membership

Is this still true?

On May 6, 2015 12:17 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Sebastian Silva 
sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote:

 Hi Walter, Membership Committee is not a Team. It is a committee, and it
needs vetting by SLOBs according to the Governance page. Neither you or I
have the authority to accept samsongoddy, as I read it.





 I am not sure what passage you are referring to, but I can assure you
that it was never the intention of the oversight committee to micro-manage.
In any case, I'll ask the committee, CC'd here, to vote on Samson's
membership to the membership committee and we can perhaps discuss how to
get us out of the micromanagement business at the June meeting.

 SLOB members, please let me know your vote re allowing Samson to join the
membership committee. For those of you who don't know Samson, he is an
active member of the community who has contributed some activities, e.g.,
[1] organized the Igbo translation team, and contributes often to the SL
Facebook page. He was also a participant in Google Code-in 2014.

 regards.

 -walter

 [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758




 Regards,
 Sebastian



 On 06/05/15 09:13, Walter Bender wrote:

 I did not realize that all volunteers on the teams need vetting by
SLOB.  If so it is a bad precident.

 On May 6, 2015 10:05 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org
wrote:


 On 06/05/15 03:37, Samson Goddy wrote:

 The reason why i was able to access the list was because Walter made
one of the committee members. About spykidacu...@outlook.com, is a
volunteer in Sugar Labs and also his in my Sugar Labs team in Nigeria,
which Walter know of.

 1. Sugar Labs is _not_ Walter. Make sure the engage the rest of Sugar
Labs. Nice to meet you. I was not aware of any other active members
appointed by SLOBs. (And I did ask). Was your appointment announced
sometime publicly?

 I don't understand why you have to remove me in the membership
committee, that i don't understand. Is there any way i shouldn't be in the
membership committee?


 2. Sure. We have a process which is in the Governance page. I
volunteered to the committee because there had been 2 years without
elections and never have there been a survey to keep the membership list
current. These are the main responsibilities of the Election and Membership
committee. We'd be glad to have you. In short, do this: - Read the
governance / membership committee pages - Write to SLOBS requesting to
be a member - Wait for a vote For us (Caryl and me), it took almost 2
months to be confirmed, official member of election committee. However, in
that opportunity, SLOBS voted that they would solicit help from young
members so maybe they will be more expedite for you. Thanks and good luck!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] XO Fedora 22 Beta work

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
 wrote:

 At James' suggestion I looked a bit into a Fedora 22 beta build.  I have
 found the following problems so far getting the RPM dependencies worked out:

- olpc-library needs to depend on python-jinja2, not python-jinja.
The olpc-library RPM also was removed from Fedora, perhaps due to lack of
changes  abandonment.
- totem-mozplugin no longer exists and was intentionally removed.
Given Firefox supports various media codecs internally this might not be a
problem for it (apart for vmeta?); but I don't know what webkit-based
Browse uses for media players.
- xorg-x11-drv-keyboard and -mouse have been replaced by
xorg-x11-drv-libinput.  See
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg
- 14.1.0 has custom F20 systemd binaries, but I am having trouble
finding information as to why.  If they have relevant changes they need to
be ported to F22 if not already present because using the F20 systemd
binaries breaks all sorts of library dependencies.

 Patches have been written for the first three that I could submit.

 We need to come up with a clear direction as to what volunteers and/or
 OLPC want  would actually use for updated XO builds.  I only have the time
 to focus on one set of images.


 True. I am not sure what is best option here.
 We still didn't solved all the issues in F20, but is already a old release.
 I wonder if we can try make images based in CentOS.


George Hunt is having surprisingly rapid success with CentOS 7 for XSCE.
Its new release (equivalent to RHEL 7.1) is now out...

Wishful Thinking hopes that similar progress might be possible on various
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fedora Flock Conference

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
wrote:

 Are we planning to do anything with Sugar at the Fedora Flock Conference
 (August 12-15, Rochester NY - www.flocktofedora.org) this year?

 The call for talks just ended although it might be possible to sneak one
 in.


The call for papers is open until May 2, 2015:
http://fedoramagazine.org/flock-to-fedora

(Attendance is free and open to all.)

Depending on interest there may be a bus from the RedHat Westford, MA
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Community OS 14.1.0 Version 2

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
wrote:

 I have updated the XO-1/1.5/1.75/4 images I previously made.

 The updated images can be found at
 http://www.greenfeld.org/xo/community/builds/14.1.0/build_2/


Profound Thanks Sam, and the Many Others behind this work.  Nobody wants to
believe it outside of Silicon Valley's plastic bubble, but I continue to be
SHOCKED by the number of XO-1 and XO-1.5s in very active use.  I too
(thought) they'd be put out to pasture long ago, per the 5-year design life
of these machines, arising from a very different decade.

But that's just not the case, three years after $49.99 Android tablets
appeared.

Instead, we're now closer the next decade (2020 vision ;) and confoundingly
I'm getting as many thoughtful support requests as ever 8 years later.
Incredibly legit community/education vectors included...So Refreshingly!
Certainly generations beyond our MIT founder's penchant for
ID-as-Industrial Design.  Rather than ID-as-International Development.

I did not think this possible in 2011-2013, when all too much was winding
down.  But wouldn't it be truly LOVELY if our community could consolidate
OS support across most of these 4 machines for starters, into a (XO-1,
XO-1.5, XO-1.75, XO-4) 2020 Vision --- despite very obvious
imperfections/compromises that will certainly need to be made along the way.

Fascinating how everybody loves to mock France.  And yet France is the
*only* country worldwide with a backbone to actually Stand Up to so many
sick business models of planned obsolescence, right now endangering our
planet:

   End Of The Line For Stuff That's Built To Die?  A new French law demands
that manufacturers display how long their appliances will last.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2015/mar/03/has-planned-obsolesence-had-its-day-design

Yes or no, do we want to live in a Black-Box Society where education is
reduced to Facebook or its advertisers having the power (legally, for now)
to swing elections at the touch of a button, and NSA can lie with impunity
before Congress?  Yes or no, do we want to buy yet more disposable
software, on toxic glimmering junk, to pile upon our grandchildren's planet
whatever's left of it?  If our post-Negroponte movement's going to steal 1
good idea from Steve Jobs' original age-old pre-cloudy business model, how
about it: a few more tools that last, a few more tools that we can trust, a
few more tools that Respect Kids...

Tough post-Negroponte community leadership compromises will need to be
made.  But who would have thought that the French, even Monsieur McDonalds
this week not just Piketty, are leading us back to sanity -- genuinely
informed market choices about what we're buying and what it's doing to
every generation?  Who would have thought in 2007 that that RACHEL-based
microservers (Remote Area Community Hotspot for Education) would
essentially take over @ Southern Calif Linux Expo as they did 2 weeks ago?  *En
Avant!!*


Again, these images are not supported by OLPC.

 It would be useful to know who actually might actually deploy these
 images, as there has not been much of a response so far.  There are
 relatively few people working on XO software at the moment, and we need
 more help in order to create a polished release.

 Bug reports about these images can be filed in dev.laptop.org with the
 commbuild keyword.

 Changes from the last build:

- Sugar 0.104 is now included.
- The language control panel problem appears to just be a first-boot
issue.  If broken, rebooting should allow the language control panel to
work.
- On XO-1, the Linux kernel has been downgraded to a Fedora 18/Linux
3.8 OLPC/XO kernel to solve the excess CPU usage.  But mesh networking is
not coming online, and collaboration on XO-1 may be more generally broken.

 Known major issues still outstanding:

- The XO-1.5 camera (OLPC #12858) and suspend (OLPC #12859) problems
still exist.
- On XO-4, programs may randomly crash (OLPC #12837).
- On XO-4, the on-screen keyboard does not appear in ebook mode, and
cannot be used (OLPC #12865).



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] scheduling our next meeting

[Adam Holt]

Wednesday is actually Jan 7 (not 8th).

Is that (Wedn) OK with everyone during the hour laid out by Walter?
On Jan 6, 2015 8:28 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Works for me

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I was remiss in scheduling our meeting for yesterday, 6 January, so I
 was hoping we could all meeting tomorrow, 8 January, at the usual
 time: 8PM Boston, 10PM BA and Asuncion, 11PM in Montevideo.

 Please let me know if the time works.

 regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Cannot connect to internet on school server

[Adam Holt]

+server-devel

Thanks guys for yr insane dedication ;)
 On Aug 1, 2014 12:37 PM, Jerry Vonau m...@jvonau.ca wrote:



  On August 1, 2014 at 8:39 AM Tony Anderson t...@olenepal.org wrote:
 
 
  Hi, Jerry
 

 Hi Tony,

  I think what you are describing may be Daniel Drake's 'enhancement' to
  allow one network for
  internet and local access. I have never used that and so do not know
  what he did in that script.

 I had a single interface, kickstart driven, usb based working install as
 far back as mid 2010[1]. Remember I had a small piece of input into the
 networking layout[2]. When the AA[3] went away so did the need to support
 them allowing for the revised networking layout that is found in the latest
 XS.

  In
  the day, I actually wrote it in Nepal (you can tell my code - it is the
  ugliest).
 
  I did send an email with information and am available to help if it is
  needed. I have not gotten a response as yet.
 

 Why not keep the conversation on the list?

  On a separate topic. I understand from the credits that you wrote the
  mkusbinstall script.

 That was written before Fedora's livecd-creator grew the ability to handle
 install isos[4].

  Among
  other things, udev has been modified so the script no longer works.

 Depends on what your environment is when you run it, lots of things changed
 since F9, might have better luck with this one[5]. With the above ability
 being provide by Fedora the need to maintain the script fell by the
 wayside.

  I am
  trying to get the script
  to run on an XO (build 13) to create the XS usb stick.

 This stick is to run on the XO or a different machine? Think you would have
 better luck using livecd-iso-to-disk.sh from F18 pointing to the install
 iso.

  My other problem
  is that the new Intel NUC
  is using uefi instead of a bios - I think this needs to be solved since
  uefi will probably appear on many or all new desktops.
 

 That would be a usb based booting issue, might be solved with the later
 livecd-iso-to-disk.sh (--efi) from F18, not sure of what version is
 supplied by CentOS.

  My current strategy is to rewrite the script in Python so I can see what
  you did step-by-step.
 

 What do you want to do? Once you have a booting key, updating the install
 routine via a kickstart file, and/or a yum repo on the usbkey becomes much
 easier.


  Yours,
 
  Tony
 

 Jerry

 1. http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/olpc-au/XS/F9/
 2.

 http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/xs-config/log/?id=88cc7c3a925349397195fd32af3383cf1e520d04qt=grepq=vonau
 3. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Active_Antenna
 4.

 https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/livecd/commit/tools/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh?id=09678eb9284f2df7618c4609998fd3bd95787251
 5.

 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/olpc-au/XS/F9/XS-AU/tools/mkusbinstall-F12forXSAU

  On 08/01/2014 01:34 PM, Jerry Vonau wrote:
  
   On August 1, 2014 at 5:51 AM Tony Anderson t...@olenepal.org wrote:
  
  
   Jerry,
  
   As I understand it he is using XS-0.7. XS-0.7 has two configured ports
   The first is for the LAN, the
   second is for the WAN.
   Only after running xs-setup-network do 2 interfaces get configured. You
   can
   setup a single interface XS for testing.
  
   If he follows your suggestion he will not have a
   network connection to the
   laptops.
   He will via the one network connection.
  
   The XS-0.7 xs-setup-network sets up the second port to accept
   DHCP from the ISP. If a
   server has one ethernet port, the second port may need to be accessed
   via a usb-ethernet adapter.
  
   I know how the network is laid out, but he has one interface to use on
   the
   VM.
  
   Yours,
  
   Tony
   Since you know what he wants to do, you can do the hand holding.
  
   Jerry
  
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[Sugar-devel] TuxPaint that runs on XO-1 Release 12.1.0

[Adam Holt]

Sadly I've tried these and they do not fully launch:

  TuxPaint 3, 4, 5  6:
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org//en-US/sugar/addon/4088

  TuxPaint 6.1  6.2:
  http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/activities/

Any other tips or suggestions?  Thanks all :)


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Re: [Sugar-devel] build an activity

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:36 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
  Marked {{dated}}.
 
  Perhaps Sugar Labs could give us a replacement on their Wiki?
 
  I don't think this content needs to be hosted on wiki.laptop.org if it
  can be hosted at wiki.sugarlabs.org.
 

 I would imagine many of these pages could benefit from review and / or
 migration.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Developers


Daniel Drake worked hard on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_manual ~20
months ago, but time passes fast :-)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-10-22

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 (c) We need to hold an election for four positions on the oversight
 board. Claudia, Daniel, and Gonzalo are continuing. The terms for
 Adam, Gerald, Chris and I are all expiring. Details to be posted
 shortly.


Small Correction: my term is continuing and 3 positions are up for election.
See the 4 results from Dec 28th 2013:

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2012-December/015988.html
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_7fe0e83eba6b35ff
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates


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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Announcing OLPC OS 11.3.0 for XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75

[Adam Holt]

Subject:Announcing OLPC OS 11.3.0 for XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
Date:   Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:27:45 +
From:   Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org
To: OLPC Devel de...@lists.laptop.org


Hi,

We're pleased to announce the release of OLPC OS 11.3.0 for XO-1,
XO-1.5 and as a provisional release for XO-1.75. Details of new
features, known issues, and how to download/install/upgrade can all be
found in the release notes:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/11.3.0

Many thanks to all contributors, testers, upstreams, and those who
have provided feedback of any kind.

For those who were following the release candidate process in the last
few weeks: candidate build 883 is released as final with no changes.

Thanks and enjoy!
Daniel
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