Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
Hi James, Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing hardware for compatibility? David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS G'day David, The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather hardware. We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware. Emulation won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware. Use a memory tester. The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to fix. On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see > one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, > collaboration was not possible to demonstrate. > > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were > keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With > some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but > with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the > boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB > drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of > hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and > never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. > > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But > we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially > when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot > sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either. > > Hope this feedback is useful, > > David Leeming > Solomon Islands > > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m. > To: David Leeming > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown > Douglas > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS > > Hi David, > > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks. > > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for > > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. > > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also > > found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using > > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it > > seems the installer was my issue. > > I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used > VirtualBox, glad it works for you. > > > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN > > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in > > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an > > ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. > > If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence > > service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to > > collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the > > schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed > > ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8). > > I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I > don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can > answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed. > > Peter > > > Best, > > > > David Leeming > > Solomon Islands > > > > -Original Message- > > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson > > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m. > > To: Development of live Sugar distributions > > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS > > > > Hi David, > > > > I'm the SoaS maintainer. > > > >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more >
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
Hi Peter, Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, collaboration was not possible to demonstrate. However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either. Hope this feedback is useful, David Leeming Solomon Islands -Original Message- From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS Hi David, Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks. > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That > is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found > few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on > one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer > was my issue. I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used VirtualBox, glad it works for you. > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an > ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If > not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on > a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. > I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu > we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian > (Jessie 8). I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed. Peter > Best, > > David Leeming > Solomon Islands > > -Original Message- > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org > [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m. > To: Development of live Sugar distributions > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS > > Hi David, > > I'm the SoaS maintainer. > >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more >> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane >> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there >> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used >> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is >> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use? > > The lastest stable version is available here: > https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ > >> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent >> storage too little/too much? > > 2Gb should be fine. > > Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues. > > Peter > >> David Leeming >> Solomon Islands >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown >> Douglas >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m. >> To: David Leeming >> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' >> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS >> >> Hi David, >> >> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message. >> >> Does this Fedor
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
Hi James, What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work? David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS G'day David, I've no guidelines. There are some industry best practices, but they boil down to; - conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with Linux, or fails to, - compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability, - component testing, e.g. a memory tester, - scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video playback, video capture, For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from, and what it has experienced. A memory test may help to find thermal problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity. Otherwise, it's a never ending problem. ;-) On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > Hi James, > > Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing > hardware for compatibility? > > David > > > -Original Message- > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m. > To: David Leeming > Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS > > G'day David, > > The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather > hardware. We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on > known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware. Emulation > won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware. > Use a memory tester. > > The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora > compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to > fix. > > On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > > > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the > > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see > > one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, > > collaboration was not possible to demonstrate. > > > > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop > > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. > > With some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works > > well, but with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite > > complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several > > types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is > > a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on > > every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. > > > > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs > > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. > > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times > > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the > > Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do > > that either. > > > > Hope this feedback is useful, > > > > David Leeming > > Solomon Islands > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m. > > To: David Leeming > > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown > > Douglas > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS > > > > Hi David, > > > > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks. > > > > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was > > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for > > > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. > > > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I > > > also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using > > > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So > > > it seems the installer was my issue. > > > > I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used > > VirtualBox, glad it works for you. > > > > > Regarding collaboration, if we have a
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
Hi, Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years old but was a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run SOAS. It never completes booting, you go through the name, colour, gender, school grade but then it just shows the blank screen with only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far as the Sugar Home View.. Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the 32 bit or 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried both), it boots OK but freezes after starting a few activities. Could that be the activity rather than the OS? As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very reliably every time. Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame? David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 11:05 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS The same hardware requirements for the corresponding version of Fedora, since SOAS is based on Fedora. SOAS itself has no hardware requirements beyond what Fedora has. SOAS and Sugar are hardware agnostic. However, some Sugar activities require a camera, some require microphone and speaker, and most require wireless or wired networking. A keyboard, touchpad or mouse, and touchscreen are also useful. On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:50:06AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > Hi James, > > What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work? > > David > > > -Original Message- > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m. > To: David Leeming > Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS > > G'day David, > > I've no guidelines. There are some industry best practices, but they > boil down to; > > - conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with > Linux, or fails to, > > - compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as > Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability, > > - component testing, e.g. a memory tester, > > - scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless > access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video > playback, video capture, > > For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from, > and what it has experienced. A memory test may help to find thermal > problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity. > > Otherwise, it's a never ending problem. ;-) > > On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing > > hardware for compatibility? > > > > David > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m. > > To: David Leeming > > Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS > > > > G'day David, > > > > The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather > > hardware. We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on > > known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware. Emulation > > won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware. > > Use a memory tester. > > > > The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora > > compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to > > fix. > > > > On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the > > > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes > > > see one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. > > > Thus, collaboration was not possible to demonstrate. > > > > > > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop > > > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was > > > unpredictability. With some of the computer types we were using in the > > > workshop it works well, but with others it might freeze after a few > > > minutes, or not quite complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit > > > and 64-bit and several types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and > > > confirmed that there is a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I > > > have that it works on e
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
Hi James, Well whatever it is, it highlights some practical experience of trying to use SOAS, with blunders and all. It needs to be used by people with technical and troubleshooting skills. David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 1:00 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS Inline quoted reply. On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 12:46:37PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: > Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years > old but was a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run > SOAS. It never completes booting, you go through the name, colour, > gender, school grade but then it just shows the blank screen with > only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far as the Sugar Home > View.. Isn't that bug #1240354 that we've all been talking about on sugar-devel@? If so, it has nothing to do with hardware compatibility, you've just imagined it has. ;-) Try Fedora or 32-bit build instead? > Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the > 32 bit or 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried > both), it boots OK but freezes after starting a few > activities. Could that be the activity rather than the OS? Sounds like you tried a 32-bit build? > As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very > reliably every time. Isn't that a 32-bit system? (N270 lacks Intel 64 feature). > Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame? Not likely given available information. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
Iain, I have installed SOAS using Linuxlive www.linuxliveusb.com which will also install Virtualbox, that it runs from the emulator almost perfectly so far (the only issue I saw was it did not detect the camera) No errors booting (as long as you use the correct 32/64 bit version for your machine) and so far I am Speaking and Turtle-ing with no problems, very responsive, in Windows! Launching in Windows apparently does not support persistence but it is a super easy intro to the full power of Linux! Booting from the USB on my main machine, I found on one larger i7 laptop it will hang after a few minutes, but it seems stable on another less powerful notebook. I will try other USB sticks. But as long as we know there may be some hardware issues, we can live with it. It is great. Many thanks for the tip as it was spot on. Use LinuxLiveUSB to install it and it will run nicely in Virtualbox David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb -Original Message- From: Iain Brown Douglas [mailto:i...@browndouglas.plus.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Hi David, From what you say, you already did a search for your error message. Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945 I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works fine. I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress. http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/ Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :) Iain On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote: Hello, I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar conveniently with SOAS. So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”. Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with “vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image”. On pressing Tab key I do not see “Live” as an option, but it does start with the option linux0. Sugar boots and I can use it for a few minutes, I tried Speak and Turtle Art for instance, but within a short time it hangs and needs a hard boot. I repeated the whole process with the 32-bit (verified) iso file and same problem. I’ll give this problem only a few hours as that is all I have. But I would like to know what are the requirements for a reliable repeatable experience with SOAS, as it says on the website, to get Sugar into Vanuatu schools. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
Hi Peter, Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer was my issue. Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8). Best, David Leeming Solomon Islands -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m. To: Development of live Sugar distributions Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS Hi David, I'm the SoaS maintainer. I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use? The lastest stable version is available here: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent storage too little/too much? 2Gb should be fine. Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues. Peter David Leeming Solomon Islands -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown Douglas Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Hi David, From what you say, you already did a search for your error message. Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945 I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works fine. I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress. http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/ Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :) Iain On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote: Hello, I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar conveniently with SOAS. So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”. Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with “vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image”. On pressing Tab key I do not see “Live” as an option, but it does start with the option linux0. Sugar boots and I can use it for a few minutes, I tried Speak and Turtle Art for instance, but within a short time it hangs and needs a hard boot. I repeated the whole process with the 32-bit (verified) iso file and same problem. I’ll give this problem only a few hours as that is all I have. But I would like to know what are the requirements for a reliable repeatable experience with SOAS, as it says on the website, to get Sugar into Vanuatu schools. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
Hi Ian I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use? Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent storage too little/too much? David Leeming Solomon Islands -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown Douglas Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Hi David, From what you say, you already did a search for your error message. Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue? http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945 I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works fine. I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress. http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/ Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :) Iain On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote: Hello, I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar conveniently with SOAS. So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”. Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with “vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image”. On pressing Tab key I do not see “Live” as an option, but it does start with the option linux0. Sugar boots and I can use it for a few minutes, I tried Speak and Turtle Art for instance, but within a short time it hangs and needs a hard boot. I repeated the whole process with the 32-bit (verified) iso file and same problem. I’ll give this problem only a few hours as that is all I have. But I would like to know what are the requirements for a reliable repeatable experience with SOAS, as it says on the website, to get Sugar into Vanuatu schools. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SOAS
Hello, I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I haven't been active in these communities for some time. I'm just refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We'll be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar conveniently with SOAS. So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB. Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image. On pressing Tab key I do not see Live as an option, but it does start with the option linux0. Sugar boots and I can use it for a few minutes, I tried Speak and Turtle Art for instance, but within a short time it hangs and needs a hard boot. I repeated the whole process with the 32-bit (verified) iso file and same problem. I'll give this problem only a few hours as that is all I have. But I would like to know what are the requirements for a reliable repeatable experience with SOAS, as it says on the website, to get Sugar into Vanuatu schools. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0
James, Turns out it's a question of doing things slightly differently. Pardon my earlier impatience. One issue I have: from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adobe_Flash#Installation_on_XO-1_and_XO-1.5 in OLPC OS 12.1.0 or later[1], wrap the plugin, paste this: yum -y install nspluginwrapper \ /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/npconfig -n \ -p nswrapper_32_32 \ -d /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins-wrapped \ -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so We need a method of doing this offline (I have to train someone in a remote location with no Internet access to do this with 150 XOs already delivered). Would appreciate advice on how to grab the files needed and run the above from my install script, with everything on a flashdrive David -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2013 1:05 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0 No worries. Just to speculate a little bit: the page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adobe_Flash had some big edits yesterday, because it was quite out of date, and either: 1. a mistake may have been made and you followed the mistake, or; 2. you used the old instructions which neglected to wrap the plugin. Also, it would appear you have two issues, not one. Let's keep them separate and not conflate them. On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 12:29:28PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: Hi James, I'll carefully reproduce the issue and provide complete information later today, rather than confuse things further! David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2013 12:15 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0 The information you provide doesn't seem to match my experience of what is available and what works, so I'll probe the problem description a little bit: - when you said you upgraded to 13.2.0, what is it you upgraded from? I ask so that I can consider the differences. - is there an example of this multimedia content consisting of .swf objects embedded in web pages? I ask so that I can try to reproduce the problem quickly. - are you using the same version of Browse as supplied with 13.2.0, or a version delivered by Software Update or customisation? I ask so that I can try to reproduce the problem. - is this the exact OLPC OS 13.2.0 or is it a build by someone else? I ask so that I can match version metadata. - does the content play properly in Epiphany or Firefox? I ask in order to rule out various software layers. Regarding your opinion that a new release keeps us on our toes, I agree, and it seems the community testing has been lacking, and finding these problems at the point of deployment is an indicator of that. I wish people would have done this testing _before_ we ran out of time. devel@ is a more appropriate mailing list for problems that are specific to OLPC OS and not to Browse, but let's see how far we get with the assumption that it is Browse at fault. On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 11:49:48AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: XO-1.5 with release 13.2.0 We have been providing educational resources on the school servers including multimedia content from UNESCO, .swf objects embedded in web pages. Users access it with Browse. It is necessary to install the Flash plugin (latest rpm downloaded from Adobe). However, when upgrading to 13.2.0 the pages now display “missing plugin” in the placeholders for the swf objects. Similarly, we have been providing the Khan Academy videos (flv), which were accessed using Browse to navigate to a folder on the school server and clicking on the flv file required, which caused Browse to download the video to the journal, from where it could be run in Jukebox (versions up to 26). Now instead a player is displayed in Browse but nothing happens. If I take the same files and put them on a USB stick and play them from that, it opens Jukebox and plays them perfectly well, so the Gstreamer codecs have installed OK. How can I get Browse to play the swf objects as it used to? How can I get Browse to download rather than play in a player that doesn’t work (or how can I get that to work)? Always keeps one on ones toes when a new release comes out. However it’s hugely time consuming. David Leeming ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0
Hi no they are out of the box (locked). It is out of my hands, that's how there were delivered. We need a way of downloading all the files and dependencies to a flash drive and installing Flash from that. Previously we were using XO 1s with release 11.3.1. I used yumdownloader to get all the Gstreamer codec files. I then added the latest flash rpm from Adobe. Then run a script to run all the rpms from a flashdrive. It used to work fine with flash viewable in Browse v129. FLV files would download by default in Browse and could be opened in Jukebox. As it is, with 13.2.0 if I do not install the flash plugin, emebedded swf objects display OK in Browse but if you navigate to a FLV file the browser Flash player starts up and it does not play (missing plugin). You can right click and Keep the file and play it in Jukebox (up to v26) if the Gstreamer codecs have been installed using the method described above, but without Flash, and with downgrading of Jukebox to v26. That's workable with a script but we just have this new issue with the nspluginwrapper. It is not a critical issue but just means things become more fiddly for the kids with playing FLV videos. Also Youtube won't play but as they have no Internet it doesn't matter. David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013 9:12 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0 Sure, I'll put something together using the xo-custom infrastructure that Jerry (bless his fingers) did. But, the laptops _must_ be unlocked, can you confirm they are unlocked? If they are locked, how do you deliver customisations? On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 09:06:18AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: James, Turns out it's a question of doing things slightly differently. Pardon my earlier impatience. One issue I have: from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adobe_Flash#Installation_on_XO-1_and_XO-1.5 in OLPC OS 12.1.0 or later[1], wrap the plugin, paste this: yum -y install nspluginwrapper \ /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/npconfig -n \ -p nswrapper_32_32 \ -d /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins-wrapped \ -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so We need a method of doing this offline (I have to train someone in a remote location with no Internet access to do this with 150 XOs already delivered). Would appreciate advice on how to grab the files needed and run the above from my install script, with everything on a flashdrive David -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2013 1:05 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0 No worries. Just to speculate a little bit: the page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adobe_Flash had some big edits yesterday, because it was quite out of date, and either: 1. a mistake may have been made and you followed the mistake, or; 2. you used the old instructions which neglected to wrap the plugin. Also, it would appear you have two issues, not one. Let's keep them separate and not conflate them. On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 12:29:28PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: Hi James, I'll carefully reproduce the issue and provide complete information later today, rather than confuse things further! David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2013 12:15 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0 The information you provide doesn't seem to match my experience of what is available and what works, so I'll probe the problem description a little bit: - when you said you upgraded to 13.2.0, what is it you upgraded from? I ask so that I can consider the differences. - is there an example of this multimedia content consisting of .swf objects embedded in web pages? I ask so that I can try to reproduce the problem quickly. - are you using the same version of Browse as supplied with 13.2.0, or a version delivered by Software Update or customisation? I ask so that I can try to reproduce the problem. - is this the exact OLPC OS 13.2.0 or is it a build by someone else? I ask so that I can match version metadata. - does the content play properly in Epiphany or Firefox? I ask in order to rule out various software layers. Regarding your opinion that a new release keeps us on our toes, I agree, and it seems the community testing has been lacking, and finding these problems at the point of deployment is an indicator of that. I wish people would have done this testing _before_ we ran out of time. devel@ is a more appropriate mailing list for problems
[Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0
XO-1.5 with release 13.2.0 We have been providing educational resources on the school servers including multimedia content from UNESCO, .swf objects embedded in web pages. Users access it with Browse. It is necessary to install the Flash plugin (latest rpm downloaded from Adobe). However, when upgrading to 13.2.0 the pages now display missing plugin in the placeholders for the swf objects. Similarly, we have been providing the Khan Academy videos (flv), which were accessed using Browse to navigate to a folder on the school server and clicking on the flv file required, which caused Browse to download the video to the journal, from where it could be run in Jukebox (versions up to 26). Now instead a player is displayed in Browse but nothing happens. If I take the same files and put them on a USB stick and play them from that, it opens Jukebox and plays them perfectly well, so the Gstreamer codecs have installed OK. How can I get Browse to play the swf objects as it used to? How can I get Browse to download rather than play in a player that doesn't work (or how can I get that to work)? Always keeps one on ones toes when a new release comes out. However it's hugely time consuming. David Leeming ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0
Hi James, I'll carefully reproduce the issue and provide complete information later today, rather than confuse things further! David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2013 12:15 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash and SWF in Browse build 13.2.0 The information you provide doesn't seem to match my experience of what is available and what works, so I'll probe the problem description a little bit: - when you said you upgraded to 13.2.0, what is it you upgraded from? I ask so that I can consider the differences. - is there an example of this multimedia content consisting of .swf objects embedded in web pages? I ask so that I can try to reproduce the problem quickly. - are you using the same version of Browse as supplied with 13.2.0, or a version delivered by Software Update or customisation? I ask so that I can try to reproduce the problem. - is this the exact OLPC OS 13.2.0 or is it a build by someone else? I ask so that I can match version metadata. - does the content play properly in Epiphany or Firefox? I ask in order to rule out various software layers. Regarding your opinion that a new release keeps us on our toes, I agree, and it seems the community testing has been lacking, and finding these problems at the point of deployment is an indicator of that. I wish people would have done this testing _before_ we ran out of time. devel@ is a more appropriate mailing list for problems that are specific to OLPC OS and not to Browse, but let's see how far we get with the assumption that it is Browse at fault. On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 11:49:48AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: XO-1.5 with release 13.2.0 We have been providing educational resources on the school servers including multimedia content from UNESCO, .swf objects embedded in web pages. Users access it with Browse. It is necessary to install the Flash plugin (latest rpm downloaded from Adobe). However, when upgrading to 13.2.0 the pages now display “missing plugin” in the placeholders for the swf objects. Similarly, we have been providing the Khan Academy videos (flv), which were accessed using Browse to navigate to a folder on the school server and clicking on the flv file required, which caused Browse to download the video to the journal, from where it could be run in Jukebox (versions up to 26). Now instead a player is displayed in Browse but nothing happens. If I take the same files and put them on a USB stick and play them from that, it opens Jukebox and plays them perfectly well, so the Gstreamer codecs have installed OK. How can I get Browse to play the swf objects as it used to? How can I get Browse to download rather than play in a player that doesn’t work (or how can I get that to work)? Always keeps one on ones toes when a new release comes out. However it’s hugely time consuming. David Leeming ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Poll 28 not working with XO 1.5 13.1.0
This was one we have found useful. However I can't get it to start in 13.1.0 (Poll failed to start) David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Poll 28 not working with XO 1.5 13.1.0
Thanks! It's a great activity. Joke Machine also won't work, maybe it is a related issue. David From: godi...@gmail.com [mailto:godi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Odiard Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013 6:40 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar-dev Devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Poll 28 not working with XO 1.5 13.1.0 We are working to solve this. You can use http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/activities/Poll-28.1.xo as a temporary solution. Gonzalo On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:39 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: This was one we have found useful. However I can't get it to start in 13.1.0 (Poll failed to start) David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 58, Issue 47
Thanks Jerry that is definitely something we need to look into. It's just a question of time and resources but obviously that's the way to go, to start with a clear strategy and not just fire fighting... David -Original Message- From: Jerry Vonau [mailto:jvo...@shaw.ca] Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013 5:35 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: qu...@laptop.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; 'Tony Anderson' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 58, Issue 47 On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 15:13 +1100, David Leeming wrote: That's all understood. However the task at hand is that a regional bank has donated 200 XO 1.5s to two schools in the Solomons and they want to play videos and music on them. I can't say, well sorry they gave you the wrong ones. Another issue was that 2GB 1.5s were supplied with 11.3.1 and have very limited memory and the journals become full within a few days use, so we have the job now of upgrading them all with 8GB cards kindly forwarded to us by OLPC. With the extra memory we thought we'd upgrade to 13.2.0 but if we can't find a way to conveniently install codecs on them all we have the choice of staying with 11.3.1 which is still pretty good. To install the codecs I would strongly suggest that you explore os-olpc-builder and brew up what you need into an image that you can install on unlocked machines. That is what I do for the OLPC Australia. Jerry The method that works for that allows the paying of mpg, mp3, flv (including Khan Academy videos in flv format) and possibly other video formats. David -Original Message- From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013 11:19 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Tony Anderson'; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 58, Issue 47 David, The why is it so difficult has to do with legal restrictions on OLPC because of the jurisdictions it operates within. It prevents OLPC OS from containing everything that might be useful; including the ability to play all video formats. You might not so hindered. We're happy to host the process documentation on the OLPC Wiki, as we do already with how to add these packages in a custom build: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_Builder/Add_repositories_and_packages You seem more interested in retrofitting; adding functionality back to OLPC OS, rather than using a custom build, and so this documentation is not as useful to you. So please, (both Tony and David), do publish your retrofit solution on our Wiki so that other users (in such jurisdictions) can benefit. Other pages that deserve updates include: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GStreamer http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Vmeta http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Restricted_formats http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Licensing On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:18:48AM +1100, David Leeming wrote: Tony, Can we massage this into a process that provides us with all the rpms needed for offline install in a folder, eliminating the need to be online with every XO - only the first one used to grab the rpms? And then script that runs as below but replaces the yum installs with offline install - such as rpm -ihv *.rpm ?? Can everything including the mime-types be managed in one script? How would 13.2.0 differ from 13.1.0? We really don't want to go down the road of changing Activity versions. This would then be run on any freshly installed XO (13.1.0 or we can jump to 13.2.0 if its easier) in one step from a flashdrive. Finally - why is it so difficult to do something that is often the first thing teachers and students ask - can they play videos and music (on their own terms). It's a barrier to uptake!!! I admit my frustration may be mostly out of ignorance, and would be very happy to be corrected or enlightened! David -Original Message- From: Tony Anderson [mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net] Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013 11:23 p.m. To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; David Leeming Subject: Re: Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 58, Issue 47 Hi, I use the following script to supply the codecs: #!/usr/bin/bash #script to enable mp3,mp4 sudo cp libgstmad.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmad.so sudo cp libmad.so.0 /usr/lib sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/libmad.so.0 sudo cp libgstfaad.so /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfaad.so sudo cp libfaad.so.2.0.0 /usr/lib sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/libfaad.so.2.0.0 sudo yum install gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.13-8.fc18.i686.rpm sudo ldconfig sudo rm -rf /home/olpc/.gstreamer-0.10/registry.i386.bin gst-inspect This works for gstreamer 0.10. The 13.2.0 Jukebox uses gstreamer 1.0 but 13.2.0 also installs gstreamer 0.10. The simplest solution may be to delete Jukebox and install version 26 from ASLO. In addition
[Sugar-devel] Jukebox activity issue
Hi I finally got to grips with 13.1.0 on an XO-1.5 with 8GB Previously we have only had XO 1s and XO 1.5s with 2GB, on which I could not upgrade from 11.3.1 Previously, in order to make it possible for the 100s of XOs here to play videos and music (other than ogg) we needed a way to install gstreamer codecs from a USB stick. The method shown below was used to download all the necessary rpms. Then you could go round and install the codecs on all the XOs and it was possible to play the multimedia (mpg, flv, mp3) in Jukebox Activity. But now I run into a wall again with 13.1.0 on an XO 1.5 (8GB), after preparing the codecs as below and running them, which it seemed to do successfully, I tried playing some test videos and mp3 on a flash drive. Jukebox now opens them but just puts them in a list on the left with the play controls greyed out. Am I missing something in regard playing music and video? Method used to prepare the codecs on a USB stick: ON AN XO WITH INTERNET CONNEC TION rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noa rch.rpm rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stab le.noarch.rpm (OR DOWNLOAD AND RUN THEM MANUALLY) THEN yum install -y yum-utils NAVIGATE TO A USB STICK yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-plugins-ugly yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-ffmpeg DOWNLOAD FLASH RPM FROM ADOBE AND ADD TO THE COLLECTION OF RPMS ON ANY XO INSERT USB STICK AND RUN THE BELOW rpm -Uhv *.rpm David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Jukebox activity issue
yumdownloader - -resolve gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10 No Match for argument gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10 yumdownloader - -resolve gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10 No Match for argument gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10 ?? David From: godi...@gmail.com [mailto:godi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Odiard Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 9:02 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Jukebox activity issue Try installing gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10 and gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10 Jukebox is using a new version of gstreamer. Gonzalo On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:53 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hi I finally got to grips with 13.1.0 on an XO-1.5 with 8GB Previously we have only had XO 1s and XO 1.5s with 2GB, on which I could not upgrade from 11.3.1 Previously, in order to make it possible for the 100s of XOs here to play videos and music (other than ogg) we needed a way to install gstreamer codecs from a USB stick. The method shown below was used to download all the necessary rpms. Then you could go round and install the codecs on all the XOs and it was possible to play the multimedia (mpg, flv, mp3) in Jukebox Activity. But now I run into a wall again with 13.1.0 on an XO 1.5 (8GB), after preparing the codecs as below and running them, which it seemed to do successfully, I tried playing some test videos and mp3 on a flash drive. Jukebox now opens them but just puts them in a list on the left with the play controls greyed out. Am I missing something in regard playing music and video? Method used to prepare the codecs on a USB stick: ON AN XO WITH INTERNET CONNEC TION rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noa rch.rpm rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stab le.noarch.rpm (OR DOWNLOAD AND RUN THEM MANUALLY) THEN yum install -y yum-utils NAVIGATE TO A USB STICK yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-plugins-ugly yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-ffmpeg DOWNLOAD FLASH RPM FROM ADOBE AND ADD TO THE COLLECTION OF RPMS ON ANY XO INSERT USB STICK AND RUN THE BELOW rpm -Uhv *.rpm David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Jukebox activity issue
When the list of rpms below were installed on a machine with 13.1.0, I still could not play mp3, mpg, mp4, flv on Jukebox. It seems it's already using gstreamer version 0.10 a52dec-0.7.4-16.fc17.i686.rpm gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.13-9.fc18.i686.rpm gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.19-5.fc18.i686.rpm lame-libs-3.99.5-1.fc18.i686.rpm libmad-0.15.1b-15.fc18.i686.rpm libmpeg2-0.5.1-9.fc17.i686.rpm opencore-amr-0.1.3-2.fc18.i686.rpm twolame-libs-0.3.13-2.fc17.i686.rpm x264-libs-0.128-2.20121118gitf6a8615.fc18.i686.rpm Plus the latest Flash rpm These were obtained by running the latest: rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm followed by yumdownloader -resolve gstreamer-plugins-ugly yumdownloader -resolve gstreamer-ffmpeg From: godi...@gmail.com [mailto:godi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Odiard Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 9:02 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Jukebox activity issue Try installing gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10 and gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10 Jukebox is using a new version of gstreamer. Gonzalo On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:53 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hi I finally got to grips with 13.1.0 on an XO-1.5 with 8GB Previously we have only had XO 1s and XO 1.5s with 2GB, on which I could not upgrade from 11.3.1 Previously, in order to make it possible for the 100s of XOs here to play videos and music (other than ogg) we needed a way to install gstreamer codecs from a USB stick. The method shown below was used to download all the necessary rpms. Then you could go round and install the codecs on all the XOs and it was possible to play the multimedia (mpg, flv, mp3) in Jukebox Activity. But now I run into a wall again with 13.1.0 on an XO 1.5 (8GB), after preparing the codecs as below and running them, which it seemed to do successfully, I tried playing some test videos and mp3 on a flash drive. Jukebox now opens them but just puts them in a list on the left with the play controls greyed out. Am I missing something in regard playing music and video? Method used to prepare the codecs on a USB stick: ON AN XO WITH INTERNET CONNEC TION rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noa rch.rpm rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stab le.noarch.rpm (OR DOWNLOAD AND RUN THEM MANUALLY) THEN yum install -y yum-utils NAVIGATE TO A USB STICK yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-plugins-ugly yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-ffmpeg DOWNLOAD FLASH RPM FROM ADOBE AND ADD TO THE COLLECTION OF RPMS ON ANY XO INSERT USB STICK AND RUN THE BELOW rpm -Uhv *.rpm David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ClassroomBroadcast x11vnc install problem
Hi, thanks for that It installed OK. Tested with wireless connection to my LAN and also to a school server. The activity starts OK. But when the VNC server is started, it reports as below. Something I am missing? (This is with an XO 1.5 flashed with os885.zd2, out of the box.) (time) VNC server is started (time + 1 second) It has stopped unexpectedly the server David Leeming From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Ignacio Rodríguez Sent: Wednesday, 12 June 2013 11:45 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] ClassroomBroadcast x11vnc install problem You can use this activity: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4664 2013/6/11 David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com I want to use ClassroomBroadcast version 10 on an XO 1.5 with build 885 0.94.1 and firmware Q3C07. It is a good one to use in training groups of teachers. The Activity downloads and installs OK. But when I follow the wiki page advice to install x11vnc in Terminal activity sudo yum install x11vnc With the XO out of the box, this didn’t work as it could not find the resource, so I updated : sudo yum update and then tried again. This time it resolved dependencies without error, but then stopped with Error: Package: x11vnc-0.9.8-14.fc13.i686 (fedora) Requires: Xvfb ** Found 1 pre-existing rpmdb problem(s), ‘yum check’ output follows: You could try using –skip-broken to work around the problem Mesa-libGL-7.8-5.fc14.i686 has missing requires of mesa-dri-drivers(x86-32) = (‘0’,’7.9’,’5.fc14’) So I tried sudo yum install x11vnc –skip-broken That concluded with Packages skipped because of dependency problems: libvncserver-0.8.9.7-4.fc14.i686 from fedora lzo-minilzo-2.03-3.fc12.i686 from fedora x11vnc-0.9.8-14.fc13.i686 from fedora I rebooted and tried it again but nothing new apart from the Journal showing as full – this build only leaves 80MB of free space which is another issue (I have posted on the devel list). Any advice appreciated, I really need to use this activity for a training next week. David Leeming Solomon Islands www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ignacio Rodríguez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ClassroomBroadcast x11vnc install problem
When first installed, the path is /home/olpc/Activities/VNCServer.activity/bin/i586/x11vnc but the server stops unexpectedly. After downloading and installing the below, as per George’s advice (using –nogpgcheck because it was unsigned) http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/x11vnc-0.9.13-3.fc17.i386.rpm the path is now /usr/bin/x11vnc and the VNC Server Activity works fine! I tested with UltraVNC Viewer on a Windows laptop over the WLAN. Thanks all, David From: Ignacio Rodríguez [mailto:nachoe...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 12:34 a.m. To: Gonzalo Odiard Cc: David Leeming; Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] ClassroomBroadcast x11vnc install problem (time) VNC server is started (time + 1 second) It has stopped unexpectedly the server How odd! The path of x11vnc is? 2013/6/12 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org I found the same problem, the rpm is broken. Try downlading this [1] and then do: yum install x11vnc-0.9.13-3.fc17.i386.rpm Gonzalo [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/x11vnc-0.9.13-3.fc17.i386.rpm On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: I want to use ClassroomBroadcast version 10 on an XO 1.5 with build 885 0.94.1 and firmware Q3C07. It is a good one to use in training groups of teachers. The Activity downloads and installs OK. But when I follow the wiki page advice to install x11vnc in Terminal activity sudo yum install x11vnc With the XO out of the box, this didn’t work as it could not find the resource, so I updated : sudo yum update and then tried again. This time it resolved dependencies without error, but then stopped with Error: Package: x11vnc-0.9.8-14.fc13.i686 (fedora) Requires: Xvfb ** Found 1 pre-existing rpmdb problem(s), ‘yum check’ output follows: You could try using –skip-broken to work around the problem Mesa-libGL-7.8-5.fc14.i686 has missing requires of mesa-dri-drivers(x86-32) = (‘0’,’7.9’,’5.fc14’) So I tried sudo yum install x11vnc –skip-broken That concluded with Packages skipped because of dependency problems: libvncserver-0.8.9.7-4.fc14.i686 from fedora lzo-minilzo-2.03-3.fc12.i686 from fedora x11vnc-0.9.8-14.fc13.i686 from fedora I rebooted and tried it again but nothing new apart from the Journal showing as full – this build only leaves 80MB of free space which is another issue (I have posted on the devel list). Any advice appreciated, I really need to use this activity for a training next week. David Leeming Solomon Islands www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Ignacio Rodríguez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] ClassroomBroadcast x11vnc install problem
I want to use ClassroomBroadcast version 10 on an XO 1.5 with build 885
0.94.1 and firmware Q3C07. It is a good one to use in training groups of
teachers.
The Activity downloads and installs OK. But when I follow the wiki page
advice to install x11vnc in Terminal activity
sudo yum install x11vnc
With the XO out of the box, this didn't work as it could not find the
resource, so I updated :
sudo yum update
and then tried again. This time it resolved dependencies without error, but
then stopped with
Error: Package: x11vnc-0.9.8-14.fc13.i686 (fedora) Requires: Xvfb
** Found 1 pre-existing rpmdb problem(s), 'yum check' output follows:
You could try using -skip-broken to work around the problem
Mesa-libGL-7.8-5.fc14.i686 has missing requires of mesa-dri-drivers(x86-32)
= ('0','7.9','5.fc14')
So I tried
sudo yum install x11vnc -skip-broken
That concluded with
Packages skipped because of dependency problems:
libvncserver-0.8.9.7-4.fc14.i686 from fedora
lzo-minilzo-2.03-3.fc12.i686 from fedora
x11vnc-0.9.8-14.fc13.i686 from fedora
I rebooted and tried it again but nothing new apart from the Journal showing
as full - this build only leaves 80MB of free space which is another issue
(I have posted on the devel list).
Any advice appreciated, I really need to use this activity for a training
next week.
David Leeming
Solomon Islands
www.rurallink.com.sb
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[Sugar-devel] x11vnc
Note sure if this is for sugar-devel or devel@ but possibly relevant to both I've been trying out 12.1.0 / 0.96.2 on an XO-1. I use Classroombroadcast in trainings, it is very useful. But I can't get x11vnc installed. Comes back with no package xorg-x11-server-Xvfb available Tried yum clean all etc and the repo folder has the contents below fedora.repo fedora-updates.repo fedora-updates-testing.repo olpc-f17.repo olpc-f17-xo1.repo rpmfusion-free-rawhide.repo rpmfusion-free.repo rpmfusion-free-updates.repo rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo rpmfusion-nonfree.repo rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] XO names when sharing with server
David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com writes: I am sure this has been covered before, but would appreciate a reference to the thread... his is the relevant ticket: SL#2355 [1]. ? Did you use freshly-installed clients (XO-1s) or did you retain any data From previous installations (either by upgrading or restoring from backup after flashing)? Yes, newly installed clients and server. But let me confirm that again in a couple of days when I have a chance to reproduce it again. Sascha [1] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2355 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Nutrition Activity very effective
Just want to give some quick feedback from a small but active deployment in Papua New Guinea. Nutrition is a really great way to get teachers to see the potentials because in our region as (probably) in many others the primary school system is now using the rich task or thematic approach. You can use it to teach many subjects but made relevant and real for students from the context. I have just facilitated some workshops for a NGO-led deployment and this activity was a fantastic hook to make the potentials relevant to their needs. We noted that local foods can be added which is great. But we were not sure about one default foodstuff in the Activity, the brown chunk with holes... David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Browse or Moodle-XS error - Redirect Loop Redirection limit reached
Hello, I am running a training session on the school server but not sure if my problem is Browse or XS so copying to both lists. The trainees are teachers, learning the basics - they have zero computing experience. We are using Browse 129.1 and XS 0.6 with current updates. They have learned to connect to the wireless network and register. The group size is 25 and there are more than one (4 actually) physical access points. Moodle-XS is used to present links to folders of resources via URL aliases. Example, a link such as http://schoolserver/MyResource pointing at folder /library/myresource thus, the resources don't actually need Moodle to work. Suddenly all the trainees when trying to access the server Moodle pages with Browse get the error: Redirect Loop : Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. I can type in the URL alias http://schoolserver/MyResource manually and it will display the content OK. So it seems to be a Moodle issue? How to deal with it? I have never seen this before ... David ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Mobile dongles - XO-1 with release 11.3.0
These work in PNG, tested over Digicel network but I assume they will work generally. These might be the standard types used by Digicel in other countries. Trick as stated is to put something in the username/password fields in My Settings/Modem Config even if those fields are not used. ZTE Corp DC87-0 Huawei E173 Alcatel X220D David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of David Leeming Sent: Monday, 26 March 2012 4:06 p.m. To: 'James Cameron' Cc: 'Sugar devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Mobile dongles - XO-1 with release 11.3.0 Yes, the APN was added as I have indicated. I did try this with both mobile web providers, but as I'm not in PNg now I can't reproduce it. I suppose I am wanting to know if there might be anything else required, such as device drivers. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Monday, 26 March 2012 2:58 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Mobile dongles - XO-1 with release 11.3.0 Perhaps you did not configure the modem in the control panel? Right-click on the centre icon in the activity ring, select My Settings, then Modem. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1 (solved)
All done and it works well. It was a question of trying to do it without fully understanding the process. In summary, steps 1 and 2 using gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-ffmpeg were all that were needed. The rpms thus collected were then tested on a freshly installed XO and all working, further enhanced by addition of the Adobe Flash 11 rpm. Thanks for helping! I'm all set now to do this offline in the field. rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noa rch.rpm rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stab le.noarch.rpm yum install -y yum-utils navigate to a USB stick mkdir myrpms cd myrpms yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-plugins-ugly yumdownloader --resolve gstreamer-ffmpeg Download Flash 11 rpm from Adobe and add to myrpms On newly installed XO navigate to myrpms and rpm -Uhv *.rpm tested on XO-1 build 883 David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link -Original Message- From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:martin.langh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 6:14 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Kevin Mark; Sugar devel; OLPC Devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1 On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:06 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: A few stumbling blocks for me; (1) the two localinstall commands below each need Internet connections to succeed on a fresh install, or the error is cannot retrieve repository metadata. Correct. This is the preparation stage, where you need internet to prepare a USB stick. We cannot perform magic transfer of files yet :-) (2) I don't know what to use for package1 package 2 etc; I tried using gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-ffmpeg and it says no match for argument. Those are probably the package names you want. I would say gstreamer-ffmpeg gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-ugly If it is not finding them, after you've successfully completed step 1, maybe you need to also pass an --enablerepo=rpmfusion* option to yumdownloader. (3) So I also need to download the dependencies of the two rpmfusion rpms. What is the package name? The package names are the names of the packages you want as discussed in step 2 above. I really feel we are going in circles here. Perhaps a read of the documentation for yumdownloader will help you picture what it does, so you can figure things out a bit more independently? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1
A few stumbling blocks for me; (1) the two localinstall commands below each need Internet connections to succeed on a fresh install, or the error is cannot retrieve repository metadata. (2) I don't know what to use for package1 package 2 etc; I tried using gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-ffmpeg and it says no match for argument. (3) So I also need to download the dependencies of the two rpmfusion rpms. What is the package name? start from a fresh install on an XO yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-free-stable.rpm yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-nonfree-stable.rpm yum install yum-utils (may be yumutils) mkdir myrpms cd myrpms yumdownloader --resolve package1 package2 ... packageN Once yumdownloader is done, the relevant rpms and their dependencies are in the myrpms directory. Copy the directory to USB flash disk. This has been the preparation stage. Now take that USB flash disk to existing XOs, command is: rpm -Uvh /media/mydisk/myrpms/*rpm alternatively yum localinstall /media/mydisk/myrpms/*rpm This thread started a long tome ago on de...@lists.laptop.org, it has nothing to do with sugar. Now sure how we landed here. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1
start from a fresh install on an XO yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-free-stable.rpm yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-nonfree-stable.rpm yum install yum-utils (may be yumutils) mkdir myrpms cd myrpms yumdownloader --resolve package1 package2 ... packageN Once yumdownloader is done, the relevant rpms and their dependencies are in the myrpms directory. Copy the directory to USB flash disk. This has been the preparation stage. Now take that USB flash disk to existing XOs, command is: rpm -Uvh /media/mydisk/myrpms/*rpm alternatively yum localinstall /media/mydisk/myrpms/*rpm This thread started a long tome ago on de...@lists.laptop.org, it has nothing to do with sugar. Now sure how we landed here. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1
-Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Mark Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 4:03 p.m. To: Kevin Mark Cc: David Leeming; 'Sugar devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:29:03AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: 3. is the update step above necessary (it requires downloading 33MB) I have not tried this, it may be. I dont know the complete list of rpms that it installed other then the 2 you said. those 2 might work with the current packages or they might need to update a few packages and download the needed dependencies which means the update is needed. This sounds like it might need a local 'proxy'/mirror server to the needed rpms. so the xo's could do the 'rpm update' but would get the 'update' and the needed rpms from a local server. this would need the XOs to alter their rpm repo list. i'm not a rpm expert, so you'd need to test a solution to ensure it works and does not alter other support issues. old way: XO-Fedora server (per each XO over the global internet) vs new way: local Fedora server-Fedora server (via the global internet one time) XO-local Fedora server(per each XO over a local area network (LAN)) I am interested in trying this out, as I am going to be doing some teacher training workshops in remote PNG areas where there is no Internet access. They will need to view resources that I will be making available on a server (XS-0.6). It seems that I can't reliably install these codecs from the rpms alone, without the XO wanting to connect and download stuff. Is there any way I can set up the mirror server as you describe on the XS, so that I can carry that to the remote area and have the XOs use that to get the updates? And how? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1
Martin, My current procedure with Internet connection is as follows yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-free-stable.rpm yum localinstall --nogpgcheck rpmfusion-nonfree-stable.rpm yum install -y gstreamer-plugins-ugly yum install -y gstreamer-ffmpeg Each of the stages above (even the localinstalls) require Internet access to download stuff. To do as you suggest, how would I now use yumdownloader? Sorry I am a little slow in the up[take on this :( David -Original Message- From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:martin.langh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 1:03 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Kevin Mark; Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:51 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: I am interested in trying this out, as I am going to be doing some teacher training workshops in remote PNG areas where there is no Internet access. the quickest, surest path is use yumdownloader --resolve to grab all the rpms, and have them on a USB stick. Steps were discussed on this same email threads. I can't think of an easier path for a small to moderate number of units. You could build an OS image, set it up on the XS for auto-installation on the XOs, and run olpc-update. But there's a sizable amount of prep in that, so unless you prepped it all back when you prepped the OS image they have _now_, you end up still needing to mess with each laptop. In the end, you only need to say sudo rpm -Uvh *rpm on each unit. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse failed to start
As is typical, as soon as one reports the error it starts to work perfectly. As soon as it happens again I will send the log. David rom: dir...@gmail.com [mailto:dir...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rafael Ortiz Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 4:33 a.m. To: Gonzalo Odiard Cc: David Leeming; Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse failed to start On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Can you attach the log of Browse when do not start? Look in your directory /home/olpc/.sugar/default/logs a file named as org.laptop.WebActivity-1.log (you will have one file for every time you run the activity, select the file with the bigger number) You can use the activity Terminal or Log to get the file. Logs Appreciated indeed, I've been using Browse 129 and 129.1 on both XO-1.5 and XO-1.75 w/o these starting problems. So I'm assuming that these could be memory related errors when there are too many activities open on the XO-1.0. Cheers. Gonzalo On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:14 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hello, Quite often I get an error “Browse failed to start” when starting Browse, after having used it successfully. It is hard to identify and reproduce the conditions leading to the error, but when it happens the only recourse is to reboot the XO and then it starts OK. Would appreciate some information on troubleshooting this; XO-1 Build 883 Sugar 0.94.1 Browse 129.1 Flash 11 plugin installed (if that is relevant) David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Browse failed to start
Hello, Quite often I get an error Browse failed to start when starting Browse, after having used it successfully. It is hard to identify and reproduce the conditions leading to the error, but when it happens the only recourse is to reboot the XO and then it starts OK. Would appreciate some information on troubleshooting this; XO-1 Build 883 Sugar 0.94.1 Browse 129.1 Flash 11 plugin installed (if that is relevant) David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Mobile dongles - XO-1 with release 11.3.0
Yes, the APN was added as I have indicated. I did try this with both mobile web providers, but as I'm not in PNg now I can't reproduce it. I suppose I am wanting to know if there might be anything else required, such as device drivers. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Monday, 26 March 2012 2:58 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar devel' Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Mobile dongles - XO-1 with release 11.3.0 Perhaps you did not configure the modem in the control panel? Right-click on the centre icon in the activity ring, select My Settings, then Modem. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Mobile dongles - XO-1 with release 11.3.0
Hello, I need some help with testing mobile dongles with the XO-1 running release 11.3.0 (build 883). I have one old ZTE DC87 modem locked to Digicel that I have tried. I added the APN to the modem configuration. When plugged in, Sugar recognises a wireless modem is plugged in and shows the icon on the frame. If I click connect it tells me no GSM connection is available. Is something missing? Do I need to install any drivers for the USB stick? How best to troubleshoot Are there any recommended third party USB sticks that I can use with any network? Maybe someone has experience with Digicel sticks - this will be for PNG where they have GSM and GPRS mobile web networks. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Installing gstreamer media codecs on XO-1
I have tried to install media codecs on an XO-1 running 11.3.0 so that we can play FLV video files directly (from a flashdrive, school server or network location)., in either Sugar or GNOME. I had trouble getting it work using the instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GStreamer#Totem_plugin - I think it is outdated. After some research and trial and error (lots!!) I have it working, some using XO-1 may find useful The below works on an XO-1 running 11.3.0 freshly installed. It works in Gnome using Totem/Movie Player and in Sugar using Jukebox Activity. It plays mp3 audio and FLV video OK (such as the Khan Academy collection, which we have loaded on the school servers in project schools) We also add the Flash plug in for the browser and disable click to view. This allows embedded flash animations and FLV videos accessed with Browse, Youtube, etc to play with good performance. Note that Flash version 11 is much better than v10. So bringing it all together, I reproduced the above using the following. - XO-1 running 11.3.0, fresh install - In Gnome view in a terminal, as su - wireless Internet connection yum localinstall --nogpgcheck http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noa rch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stab le.noarch.rpm yum install -y gstreamer-plugins-ugly yum install -y gstreamer-ffmpeg rm /home/olpc/Activities/Browse.activity/agent-stylesheet.css rm /home/olpc/Activities/Browse.activity/clickToView.xml navigate to the flash rpm and run rpm -Uhv flash.rpm where flash.rpm is the Flash verion 11 RPM for Linux 32 bit from Adobe. Questions 1. Is the above the right way to do it, if someone with more Fedora experience than I can verify.. 2. In our narrowband countries it takes an hour and downloads a lot per laptop, this is unworkable in PNG with large numbers of XOs and where the bandwidth is so expensive and unreliable. Isn't there a way to do this offline with a download, something we can run on a flashdrive? 3. is the update step above necessary (it requires downloading 33MB) 4. In doing the above am I violating a ton of licenses? David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Speak 33 voice chat problem on XO-1 11.3.0
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 20:11 +1000, David Leeming wrote: I have been trying OLPC release 11.3.0 / build 883 (Sugar 0.94.1) on the XO-1. Has anyone noticed an issue in using voice chat, with the above equipment specification? Maybe it was just me but I was unable to get any audio of a shared chat text on the joined XO(s). Tried with XS server and with XO mesh. I am used to this activity on earlier versions of Speak and have never had any problems. We tested this today and found that on both the XO-1 and XO-1.75 Speak does not speak incoming messages. Outgoing messages were spoken. Is this what you are talking about? We also found two more bugs. When joining a shared session, Speak does not focus the shared chat screen but instead drops the user in the speak what I type screen. When entering Voice chat mode with the activity shared, you get a spoken warning that the activity is offline. Hi Tom Yes, that is precisely what we experienced. With earlier version Speak-11 voice chat spoke incoming messages OK and joined users into the collaboration. David ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Speak 33 voice chat problem on XO-1 11.3.0
Rafael, The previous version with fully working voice chat was Speak-11. The one bundled in 0.94.1 is version 33. I would like to know if anyone has actually tested voice chat, with audio transmitted to the sharing XOs, using XO-1s with build 883 / release 11.3.0 David On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:11 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: I have been trying OLPC release 11.3.0 / build 883 (Sugar 0.94.1) on the XO-1. Has anyone noticed an issue in using voice chat, with the above equipment specification? Maybe it was just me but I was unable to get any audio of a shared chat text on the joined XO(s). Tried with XS server and with XO mesh. I am used to this activity on earlier versions of Speak and have never had any problems. David Leeming in PNG I haven't experienced this issue, it would be worth to investigate. In which previous versions this was working for you? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Speak 33 voice chat problem on XO-1 11.3.0
I have been trying OLPC release 11.3.0 / build 883 (Sugar 0.94.1) on the XO-1. Has anyone noticed an issue in using voice chat, with the above equipment specification? Maybe it was just me but I was unable to get any audio of a shared chat text on the joined XO(s). Tried with XS server and with XO mesh. I am used to this activity on earlier versions of Speak and have never had any problems. David Leeming in PNG ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1
Thanks to James, we successfully repaired the download. A very neat solution that I had not realised was possible. For others that may find it useful, we used the Linux split command (I used the XS) to chop the faulty download into 128 small chunks of about 5MB each and then did checksum with md5sum on each, identified the errant chunk, which I then downloaded and used cat command to rejoin them. I now have the 883 build for the PNG schools. Many thanks James and Alec David -Original Message- From: Richard Smith [mailto:smithb...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Richard A. Smith Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 6:02 a.m. To: Alec Muffett Cc: David Leeming; Sugar devel; de...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1 On 01/06/2012 03:46 AM, Alec Muffett wrote: At the risk of sounding perverse you could do block-level repair on this by having someone put the same file up for Bittorrent somewhere, and David could start the torrent, pause his repeat download, install a copy of previously-downloaded file, restart his Bittorrent client and have it download/repair the corrupted blocks for fairly small bandwidth consumption. Having builds available via bittorrent or some other p2p tool would be very useful when the dev team in in China. Bandwidth at the factory is limited on per IP basis. If the builds were available via p2p with swarming then the team could peer each other and we all would download chunks in parallel. We do this sometimes manually now by cutting up the file into chunks and each of us download a chunk. I started to do this one trip but got stuck trying to find a text mode bittorrent server that you could work with via ssh and then get it working. I'm only a casual bittorrent user. -- Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org One Laptop per Child ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1
Hi Chris! Working on a neat repair with James - will report back how it goes. Cheers for the support! Let me know off list on the localising. David -Original Message- From: Chris Leonard [mailto:cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012 12:59 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar devel; de...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:26 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: So i conclude I have just thrown USD 85 down the toilet. Ouch, David, I will happily keep you supplied with pre-tested OLPC image downloads (by snail-mail CD-ROM) in exchange for some help recruiting localizers for the Oceanic languages. Consider it a standing offer. cjl Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1
Apologies if this has been explored before, I have not been able to stay current. I am posting on both Sugar and OLPC dev lists. I live in Solomon Islands, where we have very poor Internet access and downloading is affected by satellite latency etc. I just tried to install the latest stable for XO1, advertised as 883 / 11.3.0 on one of my few XO-1s. I have not had access to any higher versions of the XO and am working with a programme in PNG which has XO-1s. I downloaded the image (BTW in Solomon Islands that cost me USD 85) using a download manager Star Downloader (to protect me against Internet drop outs). It downloaded with no errors reported. I then tried to install on my XO using a flashdrive as per the usual 4-game key method. On first attempt it failed during the part where you see the progress indicated graphically with the memory grid in green yellow and black. It says: 4ce Bad hash for eblock# 4ca Your USB key may be bad...please see http:/wiki.laptop.org/go/Bad_hash The diagnosis is that it's either bad flashdrive or bad download. I tried 2 other flashdrives that have successfully been used before, and same result at same place. So i conclude I have just thrown USD 85 down the toilet. Can anyone with similar or relevant experience comment. David in Solomon Islands Not Happy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1
Hi James, Here is the info below. Maybe it is something else? It fails at exactly the same place regardless which flashdrive I use. It's an XO-1 with build 852 David -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Friday, 6 January 2012 4:42 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar devel'; de...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1 Please provide: 1. the names of the files on the USB drive, os833.img fs.zip (renamed from os883.img.fs.zip) 2. the sizes of the two files, in bytes, especially the files os883.img and fs.zip, os833.img 664,448 KB fs.zip 428 KB 3. the md5sum of the two files. 30ae72e62e78a4de32e21e5d76dd46fc fs.zip d23b46324cc2a50deb60fdb96649a828 os883.img md5sum -c ...: fs.zip OK os883.img OK This will let me check your download. You might be able to find some people here to do your downloads by post for much less than $USD 85. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1
Correction (883 not 833) Hi James, Here is the info below. Maybe it is something else? It fails at exactly the same place regardless which flashdrive I use. It's an XO-1 with build 852 David -Original Message- From: qu...@us.netrek.org [mailto:qu...@us.netrek.org] On Behalf Of James Cameron Sent: Friday, 6 January 2012 4:42 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: 'Sugar devel'; de...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] 883 on XO1 Please provide: 1. the names of the files on the USB drive, os883.img fs.zip (renamed from os883.img.fs.zip) 2. the sizes of the two files, in bytes, especially the files os883.img and fs.zip, os883.img 664,448 KB fs.zip 428 KB 3. the md5sum of the two files. 30ae72e62e78a4de32e21e5d76dd46fc fs.zip d23b46324cc2a50deb60fdb96649a828 os883.img md5sum -c ...: fs.zip OK os883.img OK This will let me check your download. You might be able to find some people here to do your downloads by post for much less than $USD 85. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Portfolio
-Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Walter Bender Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 11:23 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Portfolio On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:26 PM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Interested in Walter's new Portfolio activity. I download it and installed it via USB stick / Journal into an XO-1 running build 860/0.84.31/Q2E45 I starred a few photos and paintings in the Journal and tried to start Portfolio. I see the startup screen for maybe 3 colour pulses then for a split second something starts to load but it goes off. Tried several times. This activity will be useful for us, should I expect this to work on our XO-1s? David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel Could you please send me the log file? Also, which version of Sugar are you running? thanks. -walter XO-1 Build 860 Sugar 0.84.31 FW Q2E45 Log: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead import sha 1305528592.897411 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window. 1305528593.277759 WARNING root: No gtk.AccelGroup in the top level window. Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/sugar-activity, line 21, in module main.main() File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py, line 147, in main create_activity_instance(activity_constructor, activity_handle) File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py, line 35, in create_activity_instance activity = constructor(handle) File /home/olpc/Activities/Portfolio.activity/PortfolioActivity.py, line 82, in __init__ self._setup_workspace() File /home/olpc/Activities/Portfolio.activity/PortfolioActivity.py, line 105, in _setup_workspace if lighter_color(self._colors) == 0: File /home/olpc/Activities/Portfolio.activity/utils.py, line 40, in lighter_color if _luminance(colors[0][1:6]) _luminance(colors[1][1:6]): File /home/olpc/Activities/Portfolio.activity/utils.py, line 35, in _luminance return int(color[0:2], 16) * 0.3 + int(color[2:4], 16) * 0.6 + int(color[4:6]) * 0.1 ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'B' David ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Portfolio
Interested in Walter's new Portfolio activity. I download it and installed it via USB stick / Journal into an XO-1 running build 860/0.84.31/Q2E45 I starred a few photos and paintings in the Journal and tried to start Portfolio. I see the startup screen for maybe 3 colour pulses then for a split second something starts to load but it goes off. Tried several times. This activity will be useful for us, should I expect this to work on our XO-1s? David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link P.O.Box 652 Honiara, Solomon Islands +677 7476396 (m) +677 24419 (h) www.rurallink.com.sb ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Joke Machine question
I'm using Joke Machine 11 on an XO-1 os852 v/ 10.1.2 I want to share joke books via the server by uploading and downloading, and also via a flashdrive. Should this be possible? In the first case when I download the file that was uploaded from the Journal (a Joke Machine activity record containing a Joke book that I want to share), the file type is lost and there is no way to load it. In the second case, I try dragging and dropping the same into a flash drive but nothing is copied over. I may have missed some conceptual thing about how it is supposed to be used. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SOAS questions
Hello, I have questions about the latest release of SOAS. Are these observations unusual or do others see these issues? (a)eToys does not start up properly. On start up a garbled view of the animated car is displayed, and then it won't shut down. I also experienced this with Mirabelle (b) A popup appears about a password for a keyring just after Sugar has started up In regard to (a) I tried to erase the activity and load an early version, but there erase function seems to have been moved (which I think is a good idea). Can anyone refer me please? David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS questions
-Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson Sent: Monday, 22 November 2010 8:32 p.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS questions On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:27 PM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hello, I have questions about the latest release of SOAS. Are these observations unusual or do others see these issues? (a) eToys does not start up properly. On start up a garbled view of the animated car is displayed, and then it wont shut down. I also experienced this with Mirabelle I've not seen this problem but then prior to release we didn't see too many people actually test anything and report bugs so we could fix it before release. OK, I am trying to establish if it is just me. But can't see how. I have downloaded the SOAS4 iso and installed and everything else is working. I have booted (the SOAS) on several PC laptops and it's the same. I am wondering why others don't also see this happening. (b) A popup appears about a password for a keyring just after Sugar has started up Known problem. See numerous discussions about this on the SoaS mailing list (probably the best location to ask SoaS questions btw). In regard to (a) I tried to erase the activity and load an early version, but there erase function seems to have been moved (which I think is a good idea). Can anyone refer me please? How did you try to 'erase' it? All SoaS activities are rpm based so you need to use yum/rpm based commands to add/remove etc. I looked for the erase option when right clicking on it, as one would do with activities on the XO-1 in previous times. So now we just use Terminal? OK by me. Will this allow me to erase eToys completely and then reinstall an earlier version, to investigate my first problem as above? Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] VNCLauncher on 10.1.2 on XO-1
All good, thanks! David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of German Ruiz Sent: Monday, 15 November 2010 6:58 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] VNCLauncher on 10.1.2 on XO-1 Use this version http://people.sugarlabs.org/~rgs/activities/vnclauncher-7.xo http://people.sugarlabs.org/%7Ergs/activities/vnclauncher-7.xo -- German R S 2010/11/14 David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com Hello, I tried VNCLauncher on our XO-1s after updating to 10.1.2 (os852). I tried versions 3,4 and 6 (the latest given on SugarLabs). It fails with an error while loading shared libraries. Maybe I am doing something wrong - should it work? Or if not is there a version available for this configuration? I always use it in teacher training and it is very useful. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
Testing SOAS 4 Mango Lassi on a 32-bit PC. Image used is Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS.iso and installed using Fedora LiveUSB Creator 3.9.2 on a 2GB flashdrive that has been tested OK with Marabelle. I used 498 MB of persistent storage. Tried in two different computers, reformatted (FAT) and tried again. All I get is this on boot (below), it does not proceed any further.. I guess maybe I have the wrong iso or something?? SYSLINUX 3.81 2009-05-29 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Alvin et al. (then nothing happens) David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Thomas C Gilliard Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2010 5:14 p.m. To: Development of live Sugar distributions Cc: Sugar Labs Marketing; Sugar devel Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out. Great News; Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS CD Boots fine on an Apple MacBook Air with an external hp-DVD/CD usb drive. Hold C and tap power button keep holding the C key down until the blue fedora boot screen appears Select Boot (Basic Video)-second line boots to bar display Fedora 14; (Name_); Choose password for new keyring; hit cancel 6 times. F3 Ring appears Use the usb to cat 5 Air dongle ( applesmc.78) as Network Manager does not recognize the Mac Air's wireless hardware. f1 neighborhood will be full of xxx...@jabber.sugarlabs.org names To fix this go to drop down / My settings /About me. change colors and restart. On restart the names will be correct. ONLY IF you enter the key chain password you entered 1 time when you started sugar. These are known bugs http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Bugs#Current_Bugs ALSO There is a new Boot CD for Macs and computers that cannot boot from USB Boot helper CD for Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS: http://www.wronkiewicz.net/soas-4-boot-test.iso Matt On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt Wronkiewicz m...@wronkiewicz.net wrote: If anyone else is interested, I put together a boot helper for Mirabelle. Burned to a CD, it enabled booting a USB stick on my MacBook Pro. The stick was partitioned with the plain old MBR format and labeled FEDORA. I also got both VMware Fusion and VirtualBox to boot the USB stick using this boot helper ISO. The soas-2-boot ISO sort of works with Mirabelle sticks, but they have different kernel versions so modules don't load, thus no networking. That is fixed in this build. http://www.wronkiewicz.net/soas-3-boot-test.iso Matt Please Test these result on other MAC's and report here in wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#Macintosh _Testing Congratulations to all Enjoy; Tom Gilliard satellit Peter Robinson wrote: Hi All, This is the non announcement announcement of the release of Sugar on a Stick 4 Mango Lassi is out. You can download both the 32 and 64 bit version from http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/ There's an outline of some common bugs in Fedora 14 and hence Fedora 14 outlined here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs Some of the notable enhancements include: - Sugar 0.90 - Support for more wireless adapters including the rtl2xxx series of adapters that are common in eee PCs - Improved Apple Mac support (still needs SoaS verification as apparently its a major problem but I could only find Fedora people to test it for me) - Quite a lot of things that I can't remember I would like to thank Sebastian, Mel, Simon, Thomas and everyone else who has contributed to this release. Cheers, Peter ___ SoaS mailing list s...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] VNCLauncher on 10.1.2 on XO-1
Hello, I tried VNCLauncher on our XO-1s after updating to 10.1.2 (os852). I tried versions 3,4 and 6 (the latest given on SugarLabs). It fails with an error while loading shared libraries. Maybe I am doing something wrong - should it work? Or if not is there a version available for this configuration? I always use it in teacher training and it is very useful. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Memorize Game sharing a Created game
Thanks, it is version 33 that was shipped, if you read the wiki carefully. We will try downgrading. This brings up a related matter, when using a slow Internet connection (possibly latency is an issue too) the download frequently fails before it is complete, and there is no way of knowing precisely unless it is a grossly reduced download,. Without testing. I am struggling to download Memorize 33 from the OLPC wiki, at my present location in central PNG, using mobile broadband. But we'll revert back with our findings. David Leeming -Original Message- From: Tom Parker [mailto:t...@carrott.org] Sent: Friday, 23 July 2010 9:19 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] Memorize Game sharing a Created game On Fri, July 23, 2010 10:37 am, David Leeming wrote: I can definitely say that we have this issue! It is something that I have done with intermittent success before but in our current workshop we simply cannot make it work. Walter has updated the ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2115 saying that Memorize 34 does not work on build 8.2.1 because that build is too old. You'll have to install an older version of Memorize. The version of Memorize shipped with build 8.2.1 works, but I don't know what version that is. We did everything we could think of, restarting, etc etc. Unfortunately, Memorize encountered an unexpected exception but didn't tell you. Can you please give me the step by step method you used to (a) create and share a game and (b) to load the attached game and then share it, using a server or simple mesh (if it makes any difference) then we will attempt to reproduce. I don't have an XO with me so I can't install 8.2.1 and see which version it ships with, but from memory we: Flashed two XO-1.0 with build 8.2.1. Started Memorize on one XO Loaded a game Set sharing to Neighbourhood Found the Memorize in the Neighbourhood on the other XO Joined Memorize with right-click We then installed Memorize 34 and sharing no longer worked. Also, can you let me know if the saved game should be loadable from the Journal or has to be loaded from a started game. Sorry, I don't know. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Conflict VNCLauncher 4 and Write 60
Observed on XO-1.0 running 8.2.1 Write 60 and VNCLauncher 3 and 4 Using VNCLauncher to project Write Activity in workshop demos, there is some sort of conflict causing spurious copies to the clipboard. For instance: .. Start VNCLauncher .. Start Write .. Type something .. Try to change the font size By this time you will see spurious copies pasted to the clipboard, these continue to be added until the number of them causes other problems... I tried VNCLauncher 6 but could not successfully get it to load on this configuration David Leeming ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Memorize Game sharing a Created game
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 states Memorize 33 as the one that works with 8.2 We had problems with 33 as well, which seems to be consistent with Tom's reference to ticket 2115 We are using build 802 with Sugar 0.82.1 on an XO-1.0 Please can we have the correct version that will definitely share created games on this configuration. David Leeming -Original Message- From: Tom Parker [mailto:t...@carrott.org] Sent: Friday, 23 July 2010 11:59 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] Memorize Game sharing a Created game On Fri, July 23, 2010 1:42 pm, David Leeming wrote: Thanks, it is version 33 that was shipped, if you read the wiki carefully. Are you sure? Memorize 33 was released July 14, 2009 according to http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4063 Build 8.2.1 was released May 13, 2009 according to http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/custom/g1g1/gg-802-1/ and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.1 Also, the ticket has been updated by garycmartin saying 33 doesn't work on sugar 0.82 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2115 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Memorize Game sharing a Created game
Hello, I would like to understand the correct procedure to share and invite a Memorize game that has been created on an XO. Whenever we try this it is very difficult to make it work. Using XO-1.0 / 8.2.1 and Memorize-34 1. Create, name and save a game adding matching pairs of photos from the journal, matched to words (text). 2. Try to invite or share with others. On the XOs that have joined, the game area remains blank (black) and nothing seems to load further 3. We tried uploading to the server (site files) and pre-loading the game on other XOs and retrying. No result I have done this successfully in the past (i.e. transfer a newly created game to others) but cannot reliable replicate. It would seem to be a standard sort of thing to do with Memorize so is it the wrong version for the build/XO that we are using? We also note that when you save a Memorize game it does not give it a file extension/type icon and thus does not load from the journal - you have to load the game from within Memorize. Have we lost something in the mix with that too? David Leeming ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Free From Malaria Game
Coming from a malarial region (and having had a few doses myself), and having taught for a few years in rural schools in the region, I feel I can contribute something here. Firstly, remember that the students and teachers have access to a range of media and variety of sources of information. In every day’s work, a teacher has to assess the relevance and accuracy of the information he or she is using for various reasons (preparing resources improving subject knowledge etc). A key skill here is “information literacy”. This is something I always encourage at the country team level, to consider information literacy training for teachers as part of their professional development. I know UNESCO is developing modules targeted at the teacher institutions, and they have published an excellent “information literacy primer”. The teacher has the role of facilitating or stimulating a process of local interpretation of the information coming in together with the students. It is certainly more important that there is a discussion in the case of health messages than in some other areas, but if one does not need to control everything centrally. For one thing, that is never going to be sustainable or scalable. Leveraging the open nature of these resources and allowing local interpretations with subsequent adaptation of the content can actually make it much more relevant and the messages more accessible. As a form of OLPC a form of community media, one could also consider principles of participatory content development at community level, with learner support, to widen the debate – perhaps involving local health workers - and then agree on some local adaptations. Perhaps one improvement to this excellent game would be to have it ask for feedback or have a way to annotate it with local messages etc. In this particular case, in my experience one has a lot of really well informed opinion at community level. The teachers will easily be able to pick up on details like the type of mosquito or the locally advisable best practices in regard to avoiding infection and eradication, and to refer to their community health workers in case they have some concerns. David Leeming Solomon Islands From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of World Class Project- Dev Team Sent: Friday, 25 June 2010 6:24 a.m. To: James Cameron; Gonzalo Odiard; Joel Rees Cc: Tabitha Roder; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Free From Malaria Game Hi James, Everyone It is important that the health message be controlled by those who are qualified to review it; medical professionals and research group I agree with you about the need to peer review health messages. However all of the content, the story, the text and the guidance has been resourced and motivated from peer reviewed scientific sources, I will put all citations and references on the world class project soon this weekend. Although we are not experts in Malaria research we are post-graduate students in biological sciences and have used our knowledge of the parasite and its epidemiology to construct the story. The health messages and guidance have also been sourced from UNICEF and WHO guidelines for malaria prevention, sometimes near ad verbatim. We would welcome reviews by health professionals however would like to note that the content covers the most basic/common knowledge of health messages with respect to Malaria prevention. It is also important that Sugar Labs hosts software with a permissive license. Our main concern is not about giving unrestricted creative commons access to end users, it relates to giving non-qualified people the ability to change the content, hence the creative commons restrictions on the images. The rest of the content, the software code, is open source and modifiable under GPL3.0 including the text of the story. Perhaps this can be resolved by splitting the delivery software from the content. I'm not quite sure what this means, however the delivery software contains the story book images, 2 games and maps of Malaria endemic regions. The only aspect that can be split is the text of the story. If this is the general consensus I can separate the textual narrative into localized content, i.e. a customizable text file to allow users to change the text content of the story. Although this risks having unmaintainable versions of the game, with possible different and possible conflicting messages. That is why we originally hoped to have a single generic narrative applicable to all Malaria endemic regions, which is then translated into various languages using pootle. This way a single approved/reviewed health message is translated into various languages, we can then perform an additional review of these translations by more qualified people. So far we have received one commentary
[Sugar-devel] Keep error Write 60
I am doing some training for people using G1G1 XO-1 with Write 60 (the latest stable version according to the OLPC wiki) I want to share a table, have all participants enter something, then save it. In practice I get Keep Error whatever I try and the inputs by participants cannot be saved either on the sharing XO or those sharing. I tried renaming and saving on both categories but no luck. Renaming, the renamed file does not even appear in the journal. Version 63 is listed on the Activities/G1G1 page, but it does not load in my XOs - tries to load but fails. I've seen this before. David Leeming ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep error Write 60
I would like to find out if others can reproduce this error. It seems a quite fundamental thing to want to do, i.e. save/Keep some work that was developed collaboratively using Write. I am therefore unsure whether it's just something with me. But I have come across this before in different situations. I'll open a ticket if it is indeed a bug. David -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Mark Sent: Sunday, 27 June 2010 1:41 p.m. To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep error Write 60 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:25:24PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: I am doing some training for people using G1G1 XO-1 with Write 60 (the latest stable version according to the OLPC wiki) I want to share a table, have all participants enter something, then save it. In practice I get “Keep Error” whatever I try and the inputs by participants cannot be saved either on the sharing XO or those sharing. I tried renaming and saving on both categories but no luck. Renaming, the renamed file does not even appear in the journal. Version 63 is listed on the Activities/G1G1 page, but it does not load in my XOs – tries to load but fails. I’ve seen this before. David Leeming version 60 is the current sugar 0.82 version version 63 is the current sugar 0.84 version as listed on activities.sugarlabs.org -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux ==.| http://kevix.myopenid.com..| | : :' : The Universal OS| mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/.| | `. `' http://www.debian.org/.| http://counter.li.org [#238656]| |___`-Unless I ask to be CCd,.assume I am subscribed._| ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] VNC for Projector View
I have used the VNC Launcher activity (v3) extensively in training workshops to project XO displays using a PC Windows computer with UltraVNC Viewer installed (free software www.ultravnc.com) It is very stable and easy to use in conjunction with an XS school server using the Eth1 network, either wired or wireless. The XO being projected continues to operate as a full member of the group so you can demonstrate network view and sharing activities, and also anything through the XS, Moodle etc. To me this seems more authentic than using an emulator. A couple of tips: · On the XO which you want to project, you need to make a small change to a config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to allow remote mouse clicking. Comment out the line below by adding an asterisk in front, or change “Disable” to “Enable” Option XTEST Disable # Mostly a debugging tool · Connect the PC that is being used with the projector to the XS Eth1 network, either wirelessly or wired. On the XO that you want to make the VNC connection with, get the IP address from the frame icon. Then start VNC Launch Activity · On the PC, start UltraVNC Viewer. You will need to change the display area settings to match the screen sizes. Then enter the XO’s IP address and off you go. · Note that you have to restart both the VNC Launcher and the Viewer if you need to shut down either one of them David From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Luke Faraone Sent: Monday, 7 June 2010 10:43 p.m. To: Hernan Pachas Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] VNC for Projector View On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 17:37, Hernan Pachas hernan.pac...@gmail.com wrote: One software for view the image of the XO at Projector 3M Your question is somewhat vague. Are you trying to display the XO's screen on another computer? If so, you want http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Write 60 possible bug saving shared work
I am running an OLPC workshop in Tuvalu with education officers and teachers. We all have XO-1s and a server 0.6. I have run into a possible bug with Write Activity (version 60). I have been sharing Write with the class and want them to join, and then name and save, and be able to start the work back up from their journals later. I am finding that the XOs that have joined the Write activity can see and collaborate reliably. However, they cannot save it. Either one gets a Keep error or the saved text in the journal opens up with a blank page. My first question is if I am expecting something that it doesn't support. But I am certain I have done this sort of thing many times in the past. David Leeming ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Write 60 possible bug saving shared work
We have 10 trainees plus myself. I will try and test as you say... I suspect the critical number is one more than the number you tested before the workshop and one less than the number of participants in the workshop! :) Sharing works as expected on simple mesh so I guess it is something to do with the server. -Original Message- From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:martin.langh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2010 10:38 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; Ian Thomson; Maryse Benzler; Michael Hutak Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Write 60 possible bug saving shared work On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: I am finding that the XOs that have joined the Write activity can see and collaborate reliably. However, they cannot save it. Either one gets a Keep error or the saved text in the journal opens up with a blank page. What number of XOs are you involving? If you can spend some time testing -- is there a critical point in the number of XOs? I am investigating a similar-sounding issue with some activities (Paint, Chat) where in mesh mode all works well if you have up to 6 XOs. From 7 onwards, the 7th gets a Keep error (and broken/empty document afterwards). This is with XO-1 machines using mesh, so may not be the same. I haven't seen it happen myself (but I believe the reporters). Puzzlingly the logs show nothing of note, so I am trying to reproduce it myself and tweak things until I get *some* log that shows *something*. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Replacing Xephyr with VNC
Not sure if this stating the obvious, but I have been using VNC Launcher activity very successfully in training and demos. Works well with UltraVNC Viewer running on a Windows or Linux laptop on the eth1 network. A small config change needed to get the mouse click to work remotely. It's very stable andf you can demonstrate/project a fully collaborating XO. -Original Message- From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Sascha Silbe Sent: Tuesday, 19 January 2010 5:44 a.m. To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [Sugar-devel] Replacing Xephyr with VNC Hi! As many of you are probably aware we're having considerable trouble [1,2] with Xephyr, the X server currently used in sugar-emulator. I've finally managed to get VNC working for sugar-emulator on all of the distros supported by sugar-jhbuild and would like these changes to be merged in mainline. [3] Dependencies added: * Debian/Ubuntu: vnc4server, xvnc4viewer * Fedora: tigervnc, tigervnc-server * Ubuntu: lsb_release (for triggering a Ubuntu-specific workaround) Dependencies removed: * Xephyr User experience changes: + non-US keyboards are working properly * F8 is mapped to VNC menu (can send plain F8, but not modifier+F8) * VNC grabs the keyboard in full screen mode + no window manager interference - no way to switch away from VNC (other switching to window mode using F8 menu) Other changes: + SL#17 [4] fixed Tested on: * Debian squeeze (for several months) * Ubuntu Intrepid * Ubuntu Jaunty * Fedora 12 [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/342 [2] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/310 [3] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1659 [4] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/17 CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
Thanks everybody for all this feedback. I can't comment for a day or two due to other priorities but will do so then. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link http://www.leeming-consulting.com -Original Message- From: Walter Bender [mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2010 7:17 a.m. To: Bernie Innocenti Cc: carol...@solutiongrove.com; Jim Simmons; David Leeming; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; Daniel J. Clark Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 11:36 -0500, Caroline Meeks wrote: I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot helper with Blueberry. Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video drivers. Bernie, was this bug reported? I think I may have found our bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22498 Good catch :) If it seems like a good match for our symptoms, I'll ping it and try to get the fix propagated to Fedora and then SoaS. Sorry I can't help in person, but I'm getting ready to depart from the US tomorrow. Can you help David see if he is having the same problem we saw at GPA? David's problem sounds like a different thing. I'd rather try to diagnose it interactively with him. I can be reached on #sugar (irc.freenode.net) as bernie, or on Jabber as ber...@codewiz.org . -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
OK, thanks all. Neither of my machines will start up direct from the flash drive. I tried the below, but I don't get any GRUB screen. It just goes through the XO start up screen with the circle of dots and then sticks at about 11 o'clock. On pressing ESC all I see is the error messages as given in my first mail. What do people recommend, I need to demo this in Tuvalu next week, should I try the SOAS 3 or SOAS 1 Strawberry? I will download it overnight and try tomorrow. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link http://www.leeming-consulting.com -Original Message- From: Wade Brainerd [mailto:wad...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 12 January 2010 4:05 a.m. To: David Leeming Cc: Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems Hi David, Did you try adding 'selinux=0' to the kernel boot parameters? SoaS Blueberry expects selinux to be disabled, so it sounds like the image you're using was created incorrectly. 1. When first booting, press a key when it prompts you to. 2. You should see a 'GNU GRUB' screen. Press the e key. 3. Press the down arrow once to highlight the kernel line. 4. Press the e key. 5. Press the End key, then type selinux=0 without the quotes. That is, spaceselinuxequals0. 6. Press enter. 7. Press the b key. 8. The system should now boot. -Wade On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:21 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hello, I am trying out SOAS for the first time, for a workshop related to an OLPC deployment. Unfortunately I can't get it to run on either of two laptops on which I tested. I followed the instructions using LiveUSB Creator, with a previously downloaded copy of the SOAS-2-Bueberry iso. The flash drive was 2GB capacity, previously reformatted and I used 505MB of persistent storage. I am using Windows Vista and tested it on that and also a machine running W7. Both required the boot helper but started up OK with the start up screen with the circle of dots forming clockwise around the X. But before the circle of dots completes, it hangs and on pressing the ESC key I see the following: /sbin/dmsquash-live-root:166: grep not found dracut warning: machine in enforcing mode and cannot execute load_policy dracut warning: to disable selinux, add selinux=0 to the kernel command line dracut warning: not continuing I reproduced this behaviour with another flash drive, so I doubt that is the problem. As stated, same behaviour with two very different laptop computers (both ASUS, one an F3SC laptop, one a 1005HA netbook). Could it be an incomplete download? Using Windows Explorer (right click/properties) on the downloaded iso file it shows as 589 MB (617,611,264 bytes). Can anyone verify that is OK? However, it succeeds with the LiveUSB Creator and does start up initially. That is not so easy for me to test as in the Solomons it can be an overnight job to download 600MB, and there are often outages. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
Hello, I am trying out SOAS for the first time, for a workshop related to an OLPC deployment. Unfortunately I can't get it to run on either of two laptops on which I tested. I followed the instructions using LiveUSB Creator, with a previously downloaded copy of the SOAS-2-Bueberry iso. The flash drive was 2GB capacity, previously reformatted and I used 505MB of persistent storage. I am using Windows Vista and tested it on that and also a machine running W7. Both required the boot helper but started up OK with the start up screen with the circle of dots forming clockwise around the X. But before the circle of dots completes, it hangs and on pressing the ESC key I see the following: /sbin/dmsquash-live-root:166: grep not found dracut warning: machine in enforcing mode and cannot execute load_policy dracut warning: to disable selinux, add selinux=0 to the kernel command line dracut warning: not continuing I reproduced this behaviour with another flash drive, so I doubt that is the problem. As stated, same behaviour with two very different laptop computers (both ASUS, one an F3SC laptop, one a 1005HA netbook). Could it be an incomplete download? Using Windows Explorer (right click/properties) on the downloaded iso file it shows as 589 MB (617,611,264 bytes). Can anyone verify that is OK? However, it succeeds with the LiveUSB Creator and does start up initially. That is not so easy for me to test as in the Solomons it can be an overnight job to download 600MB, and there are often outages. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
