[Sugar-devel] excludedocs
On a machine with only 1G SSD I understand why it is necessary to exclude documentation. In starting development and using an XO-1.5 dogfood style I find the lack of documentation troublesome. Online documentation is not a true substitute as this excludedocs setting effects more than just man pages that may or may not be useful for the version that is installed on the local machine. CHANGELOGs and READMEs are also important. Documentation of how best to use --includedocs might also help. I don't put much weight in the arguments that they won't need docs. Anyone climbing any Unix learning curve needs them quite early and especially in the beginning. Anyone using Unix regularly still looks up less frequently used command line options from time to time. For XO 1.5s and for SOAS is there a relatively easy way to change /etc/rpm/macros.imgcreate to remove the excludedocs line? I am sure this has been discussed before. Where can I catch up on previous conversations? Regards, Grant Bowman http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Toaster ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SoaS Status
I was hoping that http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick would be updated soon (today is April 13th), but it still says: We are currently working towards the first SoaS-2 release, with a hard launch date of April 10th, 2009 (we plan to premiere and distribute SoaS at FOSSVT). What this means is that the current snapshots are still unstable and in testing, and that if you download and try out this software, it might not work yet. What's the current status? Thanks, -- -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Email client
Thank you Caryl and Caroline for forwarding this (originally) from olpc-sur (south) mail list. As the Spanish description of the original email mentions, developers don't always know how they are used in the classrooms. I'm curious from a Sugar development perspective exactly how they are working with email in their class. As the teacher says in the video, email is fundamental. Are they using a web based email client or something running locally? The first girl who spoke said it's asynchronous and you don't have to be connected. She may be talking about downloading from email, working locally and then copying and pasting finished work to a web-based email client but it doesn't sound like it to me. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/xomail is the best summary of email client writing to date but the code for sweetmail has little documentation so far and few commits. I hope Shikhar can speak a bit more about it's status. -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, How is Forms discussed at the end of the second video implemented? Is that a Sugar activity or is it using Moodle? Thanks, Caroline PS Awesome videos! -- Forwarded message -- From: Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Date: 2009/1/29 Subject: FW: [Sur] videos de Rivera, Uruguay (Excellent!) To: OLPC Support Gang support-gang-boun...@lists.laptop.org, Developers List de...@lists.laptop.org Hi... Someone in Uruguay has posted two videos showing how they are using the XOs in the classrooms. It is difficult to understand the children at times, but someone has put in sub-titles in English. So, for us, that is ok (some of the Spanish speakers are having trouble with it though). There are amazing things in here...how the students and teacher keep in constant communication, how the teacher keeps track of what the students are doing, how and what they are learning from TurtleArt, how they use email, how they figured out how to convert and play YouTube videos, and how the teacher uses them as part of the curriculum. The tool they used for the subtitles, Overstream, seems pretty fantastic too. The possibilities of using it for other things seem endless. This is really good stuff. Take the time to check it out! http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i2ueryser0rz http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i4m7lvmniztl Caryl Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:03:01 -0200 From: gei...@gmail.com To: olpc-...@lists.laptop.org Subject: [Sur] videos de Rivera, Uruguay Estimados: En el edublog un maestro de Rivera (Jorge Cancela creo que es su nombre, su alias es JUCL) publicó dos videos con una presentación del uso de la XO en clase, hecha en conjunto con algunos alumnos. Me pareció muy bueno y me pareció que debía ser conocido por mucha gente. Sobre todo pienso en quienes trabajan en forma voluntaria para hacer el proyecto una realidad y muchas veces no saben qué es lo que pasa en los lugares donde se realiza el proyecto. Entonces le puse subtítulos en inglés y los publiqué aquí: http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i2ueryser0rz http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i4m7lvmniztl ¿Qué les parece? Algunos tramos no entendía bien lo que decían y quedó como puntos suspensivos, cualquier sugerencia para rellenarlos será bienvenida. Saludos, Gabriel ___ Lista olpc-Sur olpc-...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Missing Keyboard input on fresh Jhbuild
Hi Chris and Tomeu, I've tried a few things but no joy yet other than my hardware XO seeing the image on my development machine over the network for a moment.. Thanks Chris for your quick reply! I already had installed the packages from months ago on this machine. It might have been customized 8.04 package instructions, it's been awhile. apt-get tells me the packages are the latest revision but I'll double check my sources.list.. I stopped tinkering with it because I didn't know the hardware and/or shortcut bindings I needed to be effective in a Sugar environment. Now that I have a hardware device and have seen some pointers on shortcuts I'm looking forward to getting this working again. I think it used to work. I do have functional mouse and keyboard when running the packages but the icons are not found in the theme making most navigation bordering on impossible with invisible icons. Also running the Terminal failed to launch. I tried as both my own user and as root user with identical results. Here are the error messages of my running the Ubuntu 8.10 packages on my machine. http://pastebin.be/16354 Again I've attached same error messages below that I think are relevant from this second pastebin. Tomeu, that link seems like it describes my problem exactlty! It seems like an xserver conflict of some kind but with the mouse and keyboard running OK in the packages it confuses me, indicating I'm about to learn something. :-) I'll read up and let you know if I get it sorted out. I am sure there would be tremendous value in having the git tree run out of the box on Ubuntu 8.10 systems and it seems so close for me. Maybe I'll try a full xsession instead of running in a window. Thank you both for your replies. I hope to have one of the two environments working pretty soon as I start to explore the code. My goal is to learn enough about NetworkManager, d-bus and wpa_supplicant to fix some bugs I've encountered in my own local AP environment - hidden AP ssid (non broadcasting) and using WEP40 ascii keys. On first look it seems some code is missing to handle this particular case but I'm still trying to sort out if that's true or not as I wander through and learn more about the code. I have a list of other 1st-time user bugs I've encountered as I've gotten more familiar with my XO-1 that I will try to get to filing when I can work them up into proper bug reports and verify they aren't duplicates in trac. My list currently has a crash bug on zooming that deleted the first write document I ever made (ouch), network view refreshing to white sometimes in different circumstances (I reloaded the 767image since and see no problems now), develop activity crashed the machine, NetworkManager throws an error when stopped twice, some spurious xkbdcomp errors, occasional scrollbars missing in the Browse activity (need to identify a repeatable case), time settings not written to /etc/localtime like I read it should, book style navigator OK button (check button on the screen) didnt' work as expected, rotating orientation of touchpad would be nice to syn with rotated screen orientation, etc. Thanks again for your help. I will report back when I make some progress. Regards, -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Grant, may this thread help? http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc/2006-02/msg6.html Regards, Tomeu On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 05:13, Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I'm new to the list. I received my G1G1 hardware on Jan 6th after ordering Dec 30th and have been exploring the capabilities since then. My next step is setting up my desktop for development. I checked the last couple months of archives and saw a few Jhbuild related items but nothing that seemed to address the problem I am having. Today I followed the instructions at DevelopmentTeam/Jhbuild to download and compile sugar on an updated Ubuntu 8.10 machine. After addressing all dependencies it seemed to compile just fine. When I run it now using './sugar-jhbuild run' I have mouse input but keyboard input is ignored even after the ctrl-shift capturing command. Since the terminal output is lengthy and repetitive I pasted it all at http://pastebin.be/16352 where it will be available for a week. I don't see any immediately instructive errors but I may be missing something. I pasted a few sample lines below. Any suggestions on what to try next? Thanks, -- -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_1: line 8 of xfree86 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Multiple interpretations of NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all) Using last definition for duplicate fields (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed unrecognised device identifier
Re: [Sugar-devel] Missing Keyboard input on fresh Jhbuild
Oops, sample errors from http://pastebin.be/16354 -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com sugar root window unavailible (maybe another wm is running?) 1233219662.097566 WARNING root: No icon with the name go-right was found in the theme. 1233219662.106293 ERROR dbus.proxies: Introspect error on org.freedesktop.ohm:/org/freedesktop/ohm/Keystore: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.ohm was not provided by any .service files 1233219662.213436 WARNING root: No icon with the name go-right was found in the theme. 1233219662.216576 ERROR root: Cannot unfreeze the DCON 1233219708.960430 WARNING root: No icon with the name computer-xo was found in the theme. [u'sugar-activity', u'journalactivity.JournalActivity', '-b', dbus.String(u'org.laptop.JournalActivity', variant_level=1), '-a', '1e9cf902d15bb1ea010c93e8c1af2844dca3628d'] 1233219734.716714 ERROR dbus.proxies: Introspect error on :1.5:/org/laptop/Activity/1e9cf902d15bb1ea010c93e8c1af2844dca3628d: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) [u'sugar-activity', u'terminal.TerminalActivity', '-b', dbus.String(u'org.laptop.Terminal', variant_level=1), '-a', 'c6d9ff2de47e382c42bc61b9eac609a14bd5cdcc'] 1233219762.830013 ERROR dbus.proxies: Introspect error on :1.6:/org/laptop/Activity/c6d9ff2de47e382c42bc61b9eac609a14bd5cdcc: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) (sugar-shell:29442): Wnck-WARNING **: Received a timestamp of 0; window activation may not function properly. 1233219980.958574 ERROR root: Model for window 71308322 does not exist. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Missing Keyboard input on fresh Jhbuild
Many thanks to Tomeu for working with me on IRC to track this down. I got `./sugar-jhbuild run` working after I `unset XKEYSYMDB` in .bashrc which was useful for very old motif applications before I upgraded X a couple times. Morgan, sugar-emulator seems to work too, thanks! I am not sure I would have figured that out since there is no mention of this command in the file /usr/share/doc/sugar/README in the 0.82.0-1ubuntu3 version of the sugar package. The two may conflict a little so I'll just use one or the other. Resetting brings back all the functionality by running `rm -rf ~/.sugar` Thanks! -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Morgan Collett morgan.coll...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 14:02, Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, sample errors from http://pastebin.be/16354 Run sugar-emulator, not sugar. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
