Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
2011/7/29 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: Are the screenshots below look good now? I would send the patches for review then. Very good indeed. Good job! -- .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
The second screenshot shows Manu's clipboard icon in action. I think I have only found a version without variable color information in this thread so only a b/w screenshot. The arrow is a bit small, as far as I can tell smaller than the arrow in the copy-to, could be bigger imho. Nice! I agree, the arrow (and may be the boxes too) can ba a little bigger Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Simon, On 28 Jul 2011, at 12:55, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/27/2011 06:00 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 27 Jul 2011, at 14:44, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/27/2011 01:40 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. I think is better add the Journal in the Copy to submenu when you are in a device. Also, probably the Clipboard should be the last option, no the first, Gonzalo I sent new mockups going back to my original design without a 'duplicate entry'. This does 'solve' the issue you raise. FWIW I do still find 'Copy to - Journal' confusing and unexpected. I'd certainly not look for that functionality it in the 'Copy to' sub palette, and even if I did see the Journal icon in there I would assume it was a bug (this object is already in my Journal, why would I want to copy over it). Ok, accepted, as you are not the only one. Let's keep the duplicate entry. I'm beginning to wonder if we should just replace the activity Keep button with a Duplicate button and not try to expose it in the Journal/details view? Ohh no, everything but not that :-) :-) BTW What was wrong with adding a top-level Duplicate toolbar icon to the Details view (to match how Duplicate was at the top level of the Journal object palette)? Yeah, thought that as well myself this morning, attached are the new screenshots. Some words about my decisions: - the duplicate option is only visible in the Journal entry palette and the Journal entry detail view, not in the palette and detail view of the file on the external device - the duplicate option is colored in the entry color as this exact entry gets duplicated (in the screenshots we see two entries with different colors in the same Journal and the color of the option changes accordingly), I wondered if the icon itself should show actually two colored objects not only one (duplication) I've had a quick look at the mockup in your more recent email, having all of the duplicate icon in the to be duplicated object colour does not work for me as a small palette icon. Better with one part in white and one in colour. It's visually clearer (still visible at the small size if a user has an unfortunate colour choice). If you think the colour metaphor is not being fully adhered to, think of the icon as an action in progress, part way through duplication ;) - the copy-to Journal option in the palette of the file on the external device is colored in the users color. Good (I assume you mean the copy-to -- Journal, where the Journal is in the users own colour as the object on the external device has no current metadata). I notice in the users Journal palette that the copy-to icon is not picking up the object colour? Was this intended as this should be using the object colour in the same way as the duplicate icon. Looks like you have it correctly coloured in the details view toolbar. - for the copy-to icon I am not sure if colored or black/white makes more sense, because uncertain I went for b/w Yes the copy-to icon for objects without metadata would be black white. Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon journal_palette.pngjournal_palette_2.pngjournal_detail.pngjournal_detail_2.pngexternal_palette.pngexternal_detail.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Gonzalo, On 28 Jul 2011, at 13:33, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: The second screenshot shows Manu's clipboard icon in action. I think I have only found a version without variable color information in this thread so only a b/w screenshot. The arrow is a bit small, as far as I can tell smaller than the arrow in the copy-to, could be bigger imho. Nice! I agree, the arrow (and may be the boxes too) can ba a little bigger It's not too clear what it represents at the small size needed for palette item icons. Happy to see some more design cycles on trying to improve the icon if folks have time, but so far the edit scissors still seems the strongest option (visually strong shape, already in use in Sugar for the edit toolbar where copy/paste live, folks from other platforms would recognise it). --Gary Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
2011/7/28 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com: Hi Gonzalo, On 28 Jul 2011, at 13:33, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: The second screenshot shows Manu's clipboard icon in action. I think I have only found a version without variable color information in this thread so only a b/w screenshot. The arrow is a bit small, as far as I can tell smaller than the arrow in the copy-to, could be bigger imho. Nice! I agree, the arrow (and may be the boxes too) can ba a little bigger It's not too clear what it represents at the small size needed for palette item icons. Happy to see some more design cycles on trying to improve the icon if folks have time, but so far the edit scissors still seems the strongest option (visually strong shape, already in use in Sugar for the edit toolbar where copy/paste live, folks from other platforms would recognise it). Yes, the icon is a bit forced because of the needed size, and is unclear. Here is an updated version, with bigger elements, but I'm fine with the scissors (no color info in the svg again, take it as a preview just for comparision). http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/copy_to/clipboard2.svg -- .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On 07/26/2011 11:57 PM, Frederick Grose wrote: On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.dewrote: On 06/12/2011 05:22 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Manuel, On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:39, manuel quiñones wrote: Hi, 2011/6/7 Gary Martingarycmartin@googlemail.**comgarycmar...@googlemail.com : Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon. Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2 votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand (we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases). Let's see if we get any more feedback from others, but Simon might want to go ahead land a version with the scissors visual if he's ready. And I tried another design for the duplicate icon, the two objects side by side. Yes I like it. More I think than the version I did as it is more visually distinct, especially as the Copy_to and Duplicate icons will sit right next to each other. I've removed the inkscape XML, tidied the code a little and added in the fill/stroke entities for user colour, happy to go with this if there are no other objections: I went ahead with the design proposal (use of the scissor icon for the clipboard icon and an extra option for the duplicate option) and rebased my code. However I run into a few issues I want to explain with the screenshots attached. device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. Journal.png: How does the coloring of the clipboard icon looks like? As it is only made for one color, coloring it looks strange. Use Manu's icon instead? Make it black and white? Change the icon to support double color? Regards, Simon Perhaps these comments from http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-June/031817.html were missed: Thanks Fred for your comments. Yes, I have seen the comments. From the clarity I prefer the scissor icon that is why I went ahead with it. But I like Manu's icon as well, let's just decide which one we pick. Maybe Gary can say a final word. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. I think is better add the Journal in the Copy to submenu when you are in a device. Also, probably the Clipboard should be the last option, no the first, Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On 07/27/2011 01:40 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. I think is better add the Journal in the Copy to submenu when you are in a device. Also, probably the Clipboard should be the last option, no the first, Gonzalo I sent new mockups going back to my original design without a 'duplicate entry'. This does 'solve' the issue you raise. I would group the options in the palette first that do not change like clipboard and Journal those are available all the time. The external device option(s) can vary dependent on if and how many external devices are plugged in. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Simon, On 27 Jul 2011, at 14:44, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/27/2011 01:40 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. I think is better add the Journal in the Copy to submenu when you are in a device. Also, probably the Clipboard should be the last option, no the first, Gonzalo I sent new mockups going back to my original design without a 'duplicate entry'. This does 'solve' the issue you raise. FWIW I do still find 'Copy to - Journal' confusing and unexpected. I'd certainly not look for that functionality it in the 'Copy to' sub palette, and even if I did see the Journal icon in there I would assume it was a bug (this object is already in my Journal, why would I want to copy over it). I'm beginning to wonder if we should just replace the activity Keep button with a Duplicate button and not try to expose it in the Journal/details view? BTW What was wrong with adding a top-level Duplicate toolbar icon to the Details view (to match how Duplicate was at the top level of the Journal object palette)? --Gary I would group the options in the palette first that do not change like clipboard and Journal those are available all the time. The external device option(s) can vary dependent on if and how many external devices are plugged in. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On 06/12/2011 05:22 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Manuel, On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:39, manuel quiñones wrote: Hi, 2011/6/7 Gary Martingarycmar...@googlemail.com: Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon. Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2 votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand (we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases). Let's see if we get any more feedback from others, but Simon might want to go ahead land a version with the scissors visual if he's ready. And I tried another design for the duplicate icon, the two objects side by side. Yes I like it. More I think than the version I did as it is more visually distinct, especially as the Copy_to and Duplicate icons will sit right next to each other. I've removed the inkscape XML, tidied the code a little and added in the fill/stroke entities for user colour, happy to go with this if there are no other objections: I went ahead with the design proposal (use of the scissor icon for the clipboard icon and an extra option for the duplicate option) and rebased my code. However I run into a few issues I want to explain with the screenshots attached. device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. Journal.png: How does the coloring of the clipboard icon looks like? As it is only made for one color, coloring it looks strange. Use Manu's icon instead? Make it black and white? Change the icon to support double color? Regards, Simon attachment: device.pngattachment: Journal_2.png___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 06/12/2011 05:22 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Manuel, On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:39, manuel quiñones wrote: Hi, 2011/6/7 Gary Martingarycmartin@googlemail.**comgarycmar...@googlemail.com : Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon. Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2 votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand (we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases). Let's see if we get any more feedback from others, but Simon might want to go ahead land a version with the scissors visual if he's ready. And I tried another design for the duplicate icon, the two objects side by side. Yes I like it. More I think than the version I did as it is more visually distinct, especially as the Copy_to and Duplicate icons will sit right next to each other. I've removed the inkscape XML, tidied the code a little and added in the fill/stroke entities for user colour, happy to go with this if there are no other objections: I went ahead with the design proposal (use of the scissor icon for the clipboard icon and an extra option for the duplicate option) and rebased my code. However I run into a few issues I want to explain with the screenshots attached. device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'? We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can be added. Journal.png: How does the coloring of the clipboard icon looks like? As it is only made for one color, coloring it looks strange. Use Manu's icon instead? Make it black and white? Change the icon to support double color? Regards, Simon Perhaps these comments from http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-June/031817.html were missed: Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2 votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand (we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases). Let's see if we get any more feedback from others, I like manuq's push item into stack icon. It symbolizes the clipboard object structure simply. It is specific to that action. It reminds one of the the Frame's visualization of the clipboard contents (without referring to the Frame or a specific location, if that were a problem). I find myself favoring this over the Scissors icon, which Gary proposed in order to reinforce the idea of the Activity Edit toolbar, where copy and paste access is the common use case. I think this association is not direct, and so, not as quickly grasped. The scissors directly suggests the cut action, and only indirectly is associated with the generic editing actions, which are not the only use for the clipboard objects. I don't think the weaker association best serves the proposed purposes. Thanks for these efforts!--Fred Color question discussion: There are some deviations (evolutions?) from the Sugar Human Interface Guidelines, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Colors For exemple, the battery icon on an XO is grayscale after startup until it is fully charged, but then remains colored as the charge drops. Perhaps this is a partial implementation of the concept of active vs. inactive icons, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Icons#Active_vs._Inactive_Icons In another example, if one views the secondary Resume and Copy toolbar palettes from the detailed view of a Journal entry for a Terminal session, one sees a grayscale Terminal icon even though the the resumption will not be a new, distinct Journal entry. The secondary Copy palette offers to copy to my SD card, which has a grayscale icon, even though the Journal tray colors my attached SD card. Colors would be meaningful here when the attached device is on another Sugar Learner's system (though we haven't provided a means to discover that in
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi, 2011/6/7 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com: Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon. And I tried another design for the duplicate icon, the two objects side by side. Cheers, PD: do we have a design meeting today? I'll be on IRC just in case. -- .. manuq .. attachment: copy-to_mockup.pngattachment: clipboard.svgattachment: edit-duplicate.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Manuel, On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:39, manuel quiñones wrote: Hi, 2011/6/7 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com: Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon. Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2 votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand (we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases). Let's see if we get any more feedback from others, but Simon might want to go ahead land a version with the scissors visual if he's ready. And I tried another design for the duplicate icon, the two objects side by side. Yes I like it. More I think than the version I did as it is more visually distinct, especially as the Copy_to and Duplicate icons will sit right next to each other. I've removed the inkscape XML, tidied the code a little and added in the fill/stroke entities for user colour, happy to go with this if there are no other objections: inline: edit-duplicate.svg Cheers, PD: do we have a design meeting today? I'll be on IRC just in case. I'll login and hang around in case folks want to try and dig into some more topics (16:00UTC), though I don't have anything specific that I wanted to raise today. Had a very long/tough meeting with Sascha last week about Neighbourhood/NetworkManager (see meeting logs), but that is a huge rolling topic that touches many areas of Sugar design, can only imaging making much progress if we break it down into small, minimal impact tasks. Regards, --Gary -- .. manuq .. copy-to_mockup.pngclipboard.svgedit-duplicate.svg ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
2011/6/12 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com Hi Manuel, On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:39, manuel quiñones wrote: Hi, 2011/6/7 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com: Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon. Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2 votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand (we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases). Let's see if we get any more feedback from others, but Simon might want to go ahead land a version with the scissors visual if he's ready. And I tried another design for the duplicate icon, the two objects side by side. Yes I like it. More I think than the version I did as it is more visually distinct, especially as the Copy_to and Duplicate icons will sit right next to each other. I've removed the inkscape XML, tidied the code a little and added in the fill/stroke entities for user colour, happy to go with this if there are no other objections: Cheers, PD: do we have a design meeting today? I'll be on IRC just in case. I'll login and hang around in case folks want to try and dig into some more topics (16:00UTC), though I don't have anything specific that I wanted to raise today. Had a very long/tough meeting with Sascha last week about Neighbourhood/NetworkManager (see meeting logs), but that is a huge rolling topic that touches many areas of Sugar design, can only imaging making much progress if we break it down into small, minimal impact tasks. My bike race was canceled due to weather so I can meet today. Love to discuss a few Journal- and View-Source-related topics. regards. -walter Regards, --Gary -- .. manuq .. copy-to_mockup.pngclipboard.svgedit-duplicate.svg -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
2011/6/12 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com
Hi Manuel,
On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:39, manuel quiñones wrote:
Hi,
2011/6/7 Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com:
Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a
clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions?
Sorry I completly missed this thread, I'm attaching the idea I had in
mind for the clipboard, but I think the reusage of the scissors can be
a good choice. I would prevent a real clipboard icon.
Thanks. OK so that's -2 votes for a clipboard icon (you and Walter), and +2
votes for scissors (you and Simon). Your new clipboard visual is close to
something I was also playing with after Walter's comment that he though the
icon should indicate/represent the left Frame edge in some way. I'm not sure
though that this approach leads to a clear visual for the user to understand
(we don't visually indicate places/sides of the Frame in any other cases).
Let's see if we get any more feedback from others,
I like manuq's push item into stack icon. It symbolizes the clipboard
object structure simply. It is specific to that action. It reminds one of
the the Frame's visualization of the clipboard contents (without referring
to the Frame or a specific location, if that were a problem).
I find myself favoring this over the Scissors icon, which Gary proposed in
order to reinforce the idea of the Activity Edit toolbar, where copy and
paste access is the common use case.
I think this association is not direct, and so, not as quickly grasped. The
scissors directly suggests the cut action, and only indirectly is associated
with the generic editing actions, which are not the only use for the
clipboard objects. I don't think the weaker association best serves the
proposed purposes.
Thanks for these efforts!--Fred
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Simon, On 6 Jun 2011, at 12:27, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/25/2011 12:49 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: I have now implemented everything like described below (4-7). The only thing I need is an icon for the clipboard option. Some icon ideas: the pin from the Physics activity, a paper clip (or is that too much Windows Word :). Patches, mockups...welcome! Go designers go! Regards, Simon In the design meeting it has been argued that the 'copy-to-Journal' [1] might be misleading. And instead make it a separate function in the palette [2]. Walter people in the meeting wanted your opinion on that? I still need the icon for the clipboard. Any news on those? Here's the simple clipboard design I mentioned in yesterdays email, in case folks don't like the idea of re-using the scissors metaphor. This clipboard shape is also good for using the user's fill/stroke (as it is their local clipboard). Here's a mockup of it in place, and the svg for it: inline: Clipboard_mockup2.gif inline: clipboard.svg Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/duplicate.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Jun 2011, at 12:27, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/25/2011 12:49 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: I have now implemented everything like described below (4-7). The only thing I need is an icon for the clipboard option. Some icon ideas: the pin from the Physics activity, a paper clip (or is that too much Windows Word :). Patches, mockups...welcome! Go designers go! Regards, Simon In the design meeting it has been argued that the 'copy-to-Journal' [1] might be misleading. And instead make it a separate function in the palette [2]. Walter people in the meeting wanted your opinion on that? I still need the icon for the clipboard. Any news on those? Here's the simple clipboard design I mentioned in yesterdays email, in case folks don't like the idea of re-using the scissors metaphor. This clipboard shape is also good for using the user's fill/stroke (as it is their local clipboard). Here's a mockup of it in place, and the svg for it: This would be the first time we introduce a clipboard icon anywhere. Not sure it adds a lot. Maybe a more explicit reference to the left side of the Frame instead? regards. -walter Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/duplicate.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Gary, thanks for working on it! On 06/08/2011 03:18 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Jun 2011, at 12:27, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/25/2011 12:49 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: I have now implemented everything like described below (4-7). The only thing I need is an icon for the clipboard option. Some icon ideas: the pin from the Physics activity, a paper clip (or is that too much Windows Word :). Patches, mockups...welcome! Go designers go! Regards, Simon In the design meeting it has been argued that the 'copy-to-Journal' [1] might be misleading. And instead make it a separate function in the palette [2]. Walter people in the meeting wanted your opinion on that? I still need the icon for the clipboard. Any news on those? Here's the simple clipboard design I mentioned in yesterdays email, in case folks don't like the idea of re-using the scissors metaphor. This clipboard shape is also good for using the user's fill/stroke (as it is their local clipboard). Here's a mockup of it in place, and the svg for it: I think the scissor as an icon for the clipboard does work well. I would be good for going forward with it. The duplicate icon is ok, too. I still would prefer to include the duplicate option in the 'copy-to' one, but could live with that compromise. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi Simon, On 6 Jun 2011, at 12:27, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/25/2011 12:49 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: I have now implemented everything like described below (4-7). The only thing I need is an icon for the clipboard option. Some icon ideas: the pin from the Physics activity, a paper clip (or is that too much Windows Word :). Patches, mockups...welcome! Go designers go! Regards, Simon In the design meeting it has been argued that the 'copy-to-Journal' [1] might be misleading. And instead make it a separate function in the palette [2]. Walter people in the meeting wanted your opinion on that? I still need the icon for the clipboard. Any news on those? Here's a shot at the icon for edit-duplicate. I've gone for the simplest step from our existing icon desing, using a + rather than an arrow to indicate duplication rather than movement. An alternative if you want something more distinct could be two overlapping rectangles, one with a + sign in, but that would be different to the current visual language: inline: Duplicate_mockup.gifinline: edit-duplicate.svg For the clipboard icon I have been thinking we might want to stay with the toolbar-edit scissors icon to reinforce the idea of the Activity Edit toolbar where copy and paste access is the common use case. Here's a quick mockup of what the scissors might look like in the palette: inline: Clipboard_mockup.gif I have a half finished simplified clipboard silhouette I could complete if folks don't like the idea of re-using the scissors (a clipboard shape also allows for using user fill/stroke colour, though I don't think that is essential here). Manuel, you mentioned in the design meeting you had some ideas for a clipboard icon, did you make any progress or have some suggestions? Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/duplicate.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On 05/25/2011 12:49 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: I have now implemented everything like described below (4-7). The only thing I need is an icon for the clipboard option. Some icon ideas: the pin from the Physics activity, a paper clip (or is that too much Windows Word :). Patches, mockups...welcome! Go designers go! Regards, Simon In the design meeting it has been argued that the 'copy-to-Journal' [1] might be misleading. And instead make it a separate function in the palette [2]. Walter people in the meeting wanted your opinion on that? I still need the icon for the clipboard. Any news on those? Regards, Simon [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/duplicate.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On 05/20/2011 04:02 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, at the EduJam we discussed the need to remove the 'Keep'/'Keep as' button from the activity toolbar. Part of that removal is an option to easily copy a Journal entry / make a duplicate of a Journal entry. While preparing a patch for that I came over a few cleanups which I would like to share with the design team first before finishing up the patch and sending for review. Thanks for diving into this. I think it will make a huge difference, First I want to describe what the situation is now: [0] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will trigger a 'copy to clipboard'. [1] In the detail view of a Journal entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to a storage device if available. [2] The palette of an entry of a storage device lets you 'copy to clipboard'. [3] In the detail view of a storage device entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. Following the design idea in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg I think it would be great to introduce a copy-to option to make things clearer. [4] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard', 'Journal' and storage devices if available. +1 [5] In the detail view of a Journal entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal and to a storage device if available. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. +1 [6] The copy option in the palette in the storage view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard' and 'Journal'. Not part of the screenshot: I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal list view). +1 [7] In the detail view of a the storage device entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal detail view). +1 Let me know if this makes sense, other ideas. The one thing I am confused about is what exactly gets copied. In the case of the Journal or the storage device, presumably the entire Journal entry, but also when copying to the clipboard? That is the current behavior, but I am not sure what it means to copy an activity itself to the clipboard as opposed to copying the activity data. Is there a common use-case? regards. -walter Thanks for that hint. At the moment the behavior is that you can copy any entry to the clipboard, but you can not open it then with any activity if you for example copy a Memorize activity entry to the clipboard. If there is an associated file (terminal activity entry) you can copy this to the clipboard and then open the textfile in another activity. I would suggest that we handle it like we do when we copy to an external device: if the entry has no file associated with it, display an error message and do not copy it (screenshot attached). Regards, Simon attachment: Pantallazo-Ventana sin título.png___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
I have now implemented everything like described below (4-7). The only thing I need is an icon for the clipboard option. Some icon ideas: the pin from the Physics activity, a paper clip (or is that too much Windows Word :). Patches, mockups...welcome! Go designers go! Regards, Simon On 05/20/2011 11:39 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, at the EduJam we discussed the need to remove the 'Keep'/'Keep as' button from the activity toolbar. Part of that removal is an option to easily copy a Journal entry / make a duplicate of a Journal entry. While preparing a patch for that I came over a few cleanups which I would like to share with the design team first before finishing up the patch and sending for review. First I want to describe what the situation is now: [0] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will trigger a 'copy to clipboard'. [1] In the detail view of a Journal entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to a storage device if available. [2] The palette of an entry of a storage device lets you 'copy to clipboard'. [3] In the detail view of a storage device entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. Following the design idea in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg I think it would be great to introduce a copy-to option to make things clearer. [4] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard', 'Journal' and storage devices if available. [5] In the detail view of a Journal entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal and to a storage device if available. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. [6] The copy option in the palette in the storage view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard' and 'Journal'. Not part of the screenshot: I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal list view). [7] In the detail view of a the storage device entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal detail view). Let me know if this makes sense, other ideas. Thanks, Simon [0] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/0_copy-now.png [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/1_copy-now-journal.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/2_copy-now-usb.png [3] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/3_copy-now-usb-detail.png [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/5_copy-to-detail.png [6] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/6_copy-to-usb.png [7] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/7_copy_to_usb_detail.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Hi, at the EduJam we discussed the need to remove the 'Keep'/'Keep as' button from the activity toolbar. Part of that removal is an option to easily copy a Journal entry / make a duplicate of a Journal entry. While preparing a patch for that I came over a few cleanups which I would like to share with the design team first before finishing up the patch and sending for review. First I want to describe what the situation is now: [0] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will trigger a 'copy to clipboard'. [1] In the detail view of a Journal entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to a storage device if available. [2] The palette of an entry of a storage device lets you 'copy to clipboard'. [3] In the detail view of a storage device entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. Following the design idea in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg I think it would be great to introduce a copy-to option to make things clearer. [4] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard', 'Journal' and storage devices if available. [5] In the detail view of a Journal entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal and to a storage device if available. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. [6] The copy option in the palette in the storage view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard' and 'Journal'. Not part of the screenshot: I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal list view). [7] In the detail view of a the storage device entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal detail view). Let me know if this makes sense, other ideas. Thanks, Simon [0] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/0_copy-now.png [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/1_copy-now-journal.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/2_copy-now-usb.png [3] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/3_copy-now-usb-detail.png [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/5_copy-to-detail.png [6] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/6_copy-to-usb.png [7] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/7_copy_to_usb_detail.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, at the EduJam we discussed the need to remove the 'Keep'/'Keep as' button from the activity toolbar. Part of that removal is an option to easily copy a Journal entry / make a duplicate of a Journal entry. While preparing a patch for that I came over a few cleanups which I would like to share with the design team first before finishing up the patch and sending for review. Thanks for diving into this. I think it will make a huge difference, First I want to describe what the situation is now: [0] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will trigger a 'copy to clipboard'. [1] In the detail view of a Journal entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to a storage device if available. [2] The palette of an entry of a storage device lets you 'copy to clipboard'. [3] In the detail view of a storage device entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. Following the design idea in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg I think it would be great to introduce a copy-to option to make things clearer. [4] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard', 'Journal' and storage devices if available. +1 [5] In the detail view of a Journal entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal and to a storage device if available. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. +1 [6] The copy option in the palette in the storage view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard' and 'Journal'. Not part of the screenshot: I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal list view). +1 [7] In the detail view of a the storage device entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal detail view). +1 Let me know if this makes sense, other ideas. The one thing I am confused about is what exactly gets copied. In the case of the Journal or the storage device, presumably the entire Journal entry, but also when copying to the clipboard? That is the current behavior, but I am not sure what it means to copy an activity itself to the clipboard as opposed to copying the activity data. Is there a common use-case? regards. -walter Thanks, Simon [0] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/0_copy-now.png [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/1_copy-now-journal.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/2_copy-now-usb.png [3] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/3_copy-now-usb-detail.png [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/5_copy-to-detail.png [6] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/6_copy-to-usb.png [7] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/7_copy_to_usb_detail.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)
Very useful feature, a big plus one. Actually, this feature is something I would like to see in mainstream ASAP because it will be a huge addition to the multi-selection feature. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, at the EduJam we discussed the need to remove the 'Keep'/'Keep as' button from the activity toolbar. Part of that removal is an option to easily copy a Journal entry / make a duplicate of a Journal entry. While preparing a patch for that I came over a few cleanups which I would like to share with the design team first before finishing up the patch and sending for review. First I want to describe what the situation is now: [0] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will trigger a 'copy to clipboard'. [1] In the detail view of a Journal entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to a storage device if available. [2] The palette of an entry of a storage device lets you 'copy to clipboard'. [3] In the detail view of a storage device entry clicking on the button will do a 'copy to clipboard' and the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. Following the design idea in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg I think it would be great to introduce a copy-to option to make things clearer. [4] The copy option in the palette in the Journal list view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard', 'Journal' and storage devices if available. [5] In the detail view of a Journal entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal and to a storage device if available. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. [6] The copy option in the palette in the storage view will be called 'Copy to' and the secondary options will contain: 'Clipboard' and 'Journal'. Not part of the screenshot: I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal list view). [7] In the detail view of a the storage device entry the secondary option in the palette will let you copy to the Journal. The option will be renamed to 'Copy to'. Not part of the screenshot: I would add here as well the option for copying to the Clipboard (first) and when clicking on the button reveal the palette to show the options. I guess we could add here as well the option of making a copy of the item and save it to the storage device(s) (would be consistent with the option in the Journal detail view). Let me know if this makes sense, other ideas. Thanks, Simon [0] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/0_copy-now.png [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/1_copy-now-journal.png [2] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/2_copy-now-usb.png [3] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/3_copy-now-usb-detail.png [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/4_copy-to.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/5_copy-to-detail.png [6] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/6_copy-to-usb.png [7] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/copy/7_copy_to_usb_detail.png ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
