Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
Christian, What time would that be? Gerald On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gerald and Simon It would be great to debrief in detail on your findings from the tests. Could we try to meet this Sunday (instead of Saturday), same time? Thanks, Christian On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Simon, I conducted the test we discussed with my 5th graders today. There were six students involved in the focus group. First of all, they concurred with your results. They loved the feature of being able to either Start New or Resume right from the Home View. As did your students, mine remarked that it was way easier than going to the Journal. They also mentioned that more often than not they are continuing past work, as opposed to starting something new, so they found this feature very valuable. The Naming alert (present in this build) was something they found in their way. They are used to naming their work right from the activity, so this seemed like an extra step to them. They are not used to making notes in the Journal, so this feature didn't add much for them, although I certainly see how it could be really useful. I hope this is helpful. Best, Gerald On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I did a little survey in the Planetarium pilot last week [1]. The subject was Start new vs Restart in the home view. Christian did provide a test case and I made a Soas version of Sugar that let's you change the behavior with a button in the Home View [2]. While of course there were interesting observations to make about starting activities one other user feedback caught my eye, too. There was a question in the survey: The naming alert. A little background: When I started the pilot, stopping the activity was a hard task for the learners. First you need to find the stop button, then you had to dismiss the naming alert. I use the wording dismiss because for new learners it does not make much sense, since they don't understand the concept of the Journal etc yet. What I did was, I removed the naming alert which improved temporarily somehow the situation. Since I wanted the kids to take notes I introduced an workflow introduced by the teacher. After each lesson (normally the kids work in one activity in a lesson), I let them take notes in the Journal entry. This works quite well and the kids like it a lot to do this. I tell them: Describe in your words what you did today. You can write there as well if you did like it or not, or if it was hard task. And sometimes I give them a few words that should be contained. Like coordinating system when i did a lesson in Etoys on that. When doing the test the Naming Alert was present in the build. And the testers said: Oh, that is nice, so I do not have to search for the Journal entry to take my notes. I asked them what does it look like and they said: A bit like the Journal. What I concluded is: For the workflow it is important to have a way to directly take notes related to that activity you are doing at the moment. I still think, that it would be better to have that option in the activity toolbar, like discussed in the Design meetings. And I will strike for getting this into 0.90 :) But I think, if the kids use the Journal and take notes, the naming alert is not such a bad thing for 0.84. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-DE.isohttp://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso , http://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-EN.isohttp://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orgSugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
Does 10:30AM EST on Sunday work? Christian On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Christian, What time would that be? Gerald On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gerald and Simon It would be great to debrief in detail on your findings from the tests. Could we try to meet this Sunday (instead of Saturday), same time? Thanks, Christian On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Simon, I conducted the test we discussed with my 5th graders today. There were six students involved in the focus group. First of all, they concurred with your results. They loved the feature of being able to either Start New or Resume right from the Home View. As did your students, mine remarked that it was way easier than going to the Journal. They also mentioned that more often than not they are continuing past work, as opposed to starting something new, so they found this feature very valuable. The Naming alert (present in this build) was something they found in their way. They are used to naming their work right from the activity, so this seemed like an extra step to them. They are not used to making notes in the Journal, so this feature didn't add much for them, although I certainly see how it could be really useful. I hope this is helpful. Best, Gerald On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I did a little survey in the Planetarium pilot last week [1]. The subject was Start new vs Restart in the home view. Christian did provide a test case and I made a Soas version of Sugar that let's you change the behavior with a button in the Home View [2]. While of course there were interesting observations to make about starting activities one other user feedback caught my eye, too. There was a question in the survey: The naming alert. A little background: When I started the pilot, stopping the activity was a hard task for the learners. First you need to find the stop button, then you had to dismiss the naming alert. I use the wording dismiss because for new learners it does not make much sense, since they don't understand the concept of the Journal etc yet. What I did was, I removed the naming alert which improved temporarily somehow the situation. Since I wanted the kids to take notes I introduced an workflow introduced by the teacher. After each lesson (normally the kids work in one activity in a lesson), I let them take notes in the Journal entry. This works quite well and the kids like it a lot to do this. I tell them: Describe in your words what you did today. You can write there as well if you did like it or not, or if it was hard task. And sometimes I give them a few words that should be contained. Like coordinating system when i did a lesson in Etoys on that. When doing the test the Naming Alert was present in the build. And the testers said: Oh, that is nice, so I do not have to search for the Journal entry to take my notes. I asked them what does it look like and they said: A bit like the Journal. What I concluded is: For the workflow it is important to have a way to directly take notes related to that activity you are doing at the moment. I still think, that it would be better to have that option in the activity toolbar, like discussed in the Design meetings. And I will strike for getting this into 0.90 :) But I think, if the kids use the Journal and take notes, the naming alert is not such a bad thing for 0.84. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso, http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
Works for me. Talk to you then. Gerald On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Does 10:30AM EST on Sunday work? Christian On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Christian, What time would that be? Gerald On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gerald and Simon It would be great to debrief in detail on your findings from the tests. Could we try to meet this Sunday (instead of Saturday), same time? Thanks, Christian On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Simon, I conducted the test we discussed with my 5th graders today. There were six students involved in the focus group. First of all, they concurred with your results. They loved the feature of being able to either Start New or Resume right from the Home View. As did your students, mine remarked that it was way easier than going to the Journal. They also mentioned that more often than not they are continuing past work, as opposed to starting something new, so they found this feature very valuable. The Naming alert (present in this build) was something they found in their way. They are used to naming their work right from the activity, so this seemed like an extra step to them. They are not used to making notes in the Journal, so this feature didn't add much for them, although I certainly see how it could be really useful. I hope this is helpful. Best, Gerald On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I did a little survey in the Planetarium pilot last week [1]. The subject was Start new vs Restart in the home view. Christian did provide a test case and I made a Soas version of Sugar that let's you change the behavior with a button in the Home View [2]. While of course there were interesting observations to make about starting activities one other user feedback caught my eye, too. There was a question in the survey: The naming alert. A little background: When I started the pilot, stopping the activity was a hard task for the learners. First you need to find the stop button, then you had to dismiss the naming alert. I use the wording dismiss because for new learners it does not make much sense, since they don't understand the concept of the Journal etc yet. What I did was, I removed the naming alert which improved temporarily somehow the situation. Since I wanted the kids to take notes I introduced an workflow introduced by the teacher. After each lesson (normally the kids work in one activity in a lesson), I let them take notes in the Journal entry. This works quite well and the kids like it a lot to do this. I tell them: Describe in your words what you did today. You can write there as well if you did like it or not, or if it was hard task. And sometimes I give them a few words that should be contained. Like coordinating system when i did a lesson in Etoys on that. When doing the test the Naming Alert was present in the build. And the testers said: Oh, that is nice, so I do not have to search for the Journal entry to take my notes. I asked them what does it look like and they said: A bit like the Journal. What I concluded is: For the workflow it is important to have a way to directly take notes related to that activity you are doing at the moment. I still think, that it would be better to have that option in the activity toolbar, like discussed in the Design meetings. And I will strike for getting this into 0.90 :) But I think, if the kids use the Journal and take notes, the naming alert is not such a bad thing for 0.84. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-DE.isohttp://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso , http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-EN.isohttp://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
On 03/03/2010 05:19 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote: Works for me. Talk to you then. Gerald Ok, let's meet on Sunday 10:30AM (15:30 UTC) in #sugar on freenode. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
Simon, I conducted the test we discussed with my 5th graders today. There were six students involved in the focus group. First of all, they concurred with your results. They loved the feature of being able to either Start New or Resume right from the Home View. As did your students, mine remarked that it was way easier than going to the Journal. They also mentioned that more often than not they are continuing past work, as opposed to starting something new, so they found this feature very valuable. The Naming alert (present in this build) was something they found in their way. They are used to naming their work right from the activity, so this seemed like an extra step to them. They are not used to making notes in the Journal, so this feature didn't add much for them, although I certainly see how it could be really useful. I hope this is helpful. Best, Gerald On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, I did a little survey in the Planetarium pilot last week [1]. The subject was Start new vs Restart in the home view. Christian did provide a test case and I made a Soas version of Sugar that let's you change the behavior with a button in the Home View [2]. While of course there were interesting observations to make about starting activities one other user feedback caught my eye, too. There was a question in the survey: The naming alert. A little background: When I started the pilot, stopping the activity was a hard task for the learners. First you need to find the stop button, then you had to dismiss the naming alert. I use the wording dismiss because for new learners it does not make much sense, since they don't understand the concept of the Journal etc yet. What I did was, I removed the naming alert which improved temporarily somehow the situation. Since I wanted the kids to take notes I introduced an workflow introduced by the teacher. After each lesson (normally the kids work in one activity in a lesson), I let them take notes in the Journal entry. This works quite well and the kids like it a lot to do this. I tell them: Describe in your words what you did today. You can write there as well if you did like it or not, or if it was hard task. And sometimes I give them a few words that should be contained. Like coordinating system when i did a lesson in Etoys on that. When doing the test the Naming Alert was present in the build. And the testers said: Oh, that is nice, so I do not have to search for the Journal entry to take my notes. I asked them what does it look like and they said: A bit like the Journal. What I concluded is: For the workflow it is important to have a way to directly take notes related to that activity you are doing at the moment. I still think, that it would be better to have that option in the activity toolbar, like discussed in the Design meetings. And I will strike for getting this into 0.90 :) But I think, if the kids use the Journal and take notes, the naming alert is not such a bad thing for 0.84. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-DE.isohttp://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso , http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-EN.isohttp://shell.sugarlabs.org/%7Eerikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
Hi Gerald and Simon It would be great to debrief in detail on your findings from the tests. Could we try to meet this Sunday (instead of Saturday), same time? Thanks, Christian On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Gerald Ardito gma...@gmail.com wrote: Simon, I conducted the test we discussed with my 5th graders today. There were six students involved in the focus group. First of all, they concurred with your results. They loved the feature of being able to either Start New or Resume right from the Home View. As did your students, mine remarked that it was way easier than going to the Journal. They also mentioned that more often than not they are continuing past work, as opposed to starting something new, so they found this feature very valuable. The Naming alert (present in this build) was something they found in their way. They are used to naming their work right from the activity, so this seemed like an extra step to them. They are not used to making notes in the Journal, so this feature didn't add much for them, although I certainly see how it could be really useful. I hope this is helpful. Best, Gerald On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I did a little survey in the Planetarium pilot last week [1]. The subject was Start new vs Restart in the home view. Christian did provide a test case and I made a Soas version of Sugar that let's you change the behavior with a button in the Home View [2]. While of course there were interesting observations to make about starting activities one other user feedback caught my eye, too. There was a question in the survey: The naming alert. A little background: When I started the pilot, stopping the activity was a hard task for the learners. First you need to find the stop button, then you had to dismiss the naming alert. I use the wording dismiss because for new learners it does not make much sense, since they don't understand the concept of the Journal etc yet. What I did was, I removed the naming alert which improved temporarily somehow the situation. Since I wanted the kids to take notes I introduced an workflow introduced by the teacher. After each lesson (normally the kids work in one activity in a lesson), I let them take notes in the Journal entry. This works quite well and the kids like it a lot to do this. I tell them: Describe in your words what you did today. You can write there as well if you did like it or not, or if it was hard task. And sometimes I give them a few words that should be contained. Like coordinating system when i did a lesson in Etoys on that. When doing the test the Naming Alert was present in the build. And the testers said: Oh, that is nice, so I do not have to search for the Journal entry to take my notes. I asked them what does it look like and they said: A bit like the Journal. What I concluded is: For the workflow it is important to have a way to directly take notes related to that activity you are doing at the moment. I still think, that it would be better to have that option in the activity toolbar, like discussed in the Design meetings. And I will strike for getting this into 0.90 :) But I think, if the kids use the Journal and take notes, the naming alert is not such a bad thing for 0.84. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso, http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
On 02/18/2010 12:45 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote: Simon, This is really interesting. I look forward to whether my kids make the same connections when I test with them next week. Gerald Hi Gerald, I am looking forward fr your results, too :) As I pointed out in an earlier mail, from my experience the following items are important: * take your time (I would say 10 minutes per student) * if you have another person that can take care of the other kids in the meantime, that will help * audio recording worked out fine for me (for taking notes), it is not as prominent as video recording and therefore helps the kids to get easy in this situation * start with 'easy questions', Christian's survey does well in that regard * and of course: have fun! Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [FIELDBACK] Naming Alert
Hi, I did a little survey in the Planetarium pilot last week [1]. The subject was Start new vs Restart in the home view. Christian did provide a test case and I made a Soas version of Sugar that let's you change the behavior with a button in the Home View [2]. While of course there were interesting observations to make about starting activities one other user feedback caught my eye, too. There was a question in the survey: The naming alert. A little background: When I started the pilot, stopping the activity was a hard task for the learners. First you need to find the stop button, then you had to dismiss the naming alert. I use the wording dismiss because for new learners it does not make much sense, since they don't understand the concept of the Journal etc yet. What I did was, I removed the naming alert which improved temporarily somehow the situation. Since I wanted the kids to take notes I introduced an workflow introduced by the teacher. After each lesson (normally the kids work in one activity in a lesson), I let them take notes in the Journal entry. This works quite well and the kids like it a lot to do this. I tell them: Describe in your words what you did today. You can write there as well if you did like it or not, or if it was hard task. And sometimes I give them a few words that should be contained. Like coordinating system when i did a lesson in Etoys on that. When doing the test the Naming Alert was present in the build. And the testers said: Oh, that is nice, so I do not have to search for the Journal entry to take my notes. I asked them what does it look like and they said: A bit like the Journal. What I concluded is: For the workflow it is important to have a way to directly take notes related to that activity you are doing at the moment. I still think, that it would be better to have that option in the activity toolbar, like discussed in the Design meetings. And I will strike for getting this into 0.90 :) But I think, if the kids use the Journal and take notes, the naming alert is not such a bad thing for 0.84. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployments/Planetarium [2] http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-DE.iso, http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/soas-design-test-EN.iso ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
