Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
I'm really not interested in beating a dead horse, Sacha, so after making my case I'm more than happy to drop this (though I will continue not to use #sugar for any discussions I would want to save if it is not logged). The reason that I find auto logging saves me work is the same reason I'm now completely in love with Google docs. Call it attention deficit disorder or whatever, but I have 4 different computers on which I normally work, plus I work on other people's computers when I travel. Having stuff in the cloud is simply easier for me. I don't have to think about it. It is just there when I need it. I won't have the logs around like you do. I will forget to store them, forget what I called them when I do store them, or have deleted them in an attempt to reduce the amount of data I'm storing locally, etc. Auto logging in no way prevents you from keeping your own, but it doesn't require me to. jeff On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 09:25:22PM -0500, Jeff Elkner wrote: I'm glad logging locally works for you, Dave, but it doesn't work for me. I really need less things to do, not more ;-) How is logging locally causing more work for you? Do you use an IRC client that cannot be told to always log specific/all channels? Or is searching in your usual computing environment more inconvenient than on some web page? For me local logs are much easier to use/search, so I'm trying to figure out why it's the other way round for you. CU Sascha ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:29:58AM -0500, Jeff Elkner wrote: I'm really not interested in beating a dead horse, [...] I deliberately focussed on your workflow issue exactly to avoid that. :) [...], but I have 4 different computers on which I normally work, plus I work on other people's computers when I travel. Having stuff in the cloud is simply easier for me. OK, this was the missing part of the puzzle. You're running IRC clients on several different computers that don't share the logs in any way, so naturally you prefer it to be kept in a central, public place (i.e. a web site since IRC doesn't support server-side storage). Since I keep the IRC logs (and a whole lot of other stuff) in sync using unison [1] and often work offline I naturally prefer the logs to be kept locally. Thanks, I do understand your needs better now! :-| [1] http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:02:20PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: OK, this was the missing part of the puzzle. You're running IRC clients on several different computers that don't share the logs in any way, so naturally you prefer it to be kept in a central, public place (i.e. a web site since IRC doesn't support server-side storage). For interest, on an OLPC channel several of us have started using quassel. This provides logs, backlog while you are absent, and connections from different computers. Though I've not yet needed to verify simultaneous connections. You do need to place a quassel server in the cloud somewhere. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
2010/1/13 Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net It would like to make most of these conversations available to the rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish them myself. +1 for a log bot Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? jeff elkner ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 17:54, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote: Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? We've talked this subject practically to death. See http://www.mail-archive.com/i...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg06656.html. (hint: the thread you want is herehttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-February/thread.html#3828 ) Consensus has been no for a variety of reasons, which would be redundant to enumerate here once again. We already log meetings http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/ in #sugar-meeting, but the policy for #sugar is against it. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote: Hi All, II have two personality quirks that often get in my way: I have a great deal of trouble multitasking, and I would loose my head were it not attached to my shoulders. What I need from a computer are tools that complement my limitations, and help me be more productive. irc can be such a tool, particularly in combination with logging. I'm a regular user on #schooltool. I go there to ask questions about schooltool, and participate there in on-line meetings about the development of schooltool. I don't worry about trying to take notes or record what happens on the channel, that all happens *automatically*. If I think later... Oh, yeah, we discussed that back in the first week in October. No problem, just go here: http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/ and look through the dates around the time I remember the meeting happening. I was surprised to find out that there was no logging on #sugar, and it keeps me from wanting to hold any real discussions on the channel. I go there to find if folks are around, then ask them to meet me on google talk, so that I can automatically get a log of what we discuss. It would like to make most of these conversations available to the rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish them myself. Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? Apparenly it was discussed. Some people do not like publicly available logs. I log all my IRC channels locally. This is handy because I can use desktop search to find something. I can't point someone else to them, but I suppose I could email part of it to someone. Dave jeff elkner ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
