Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Hi all. I like blueberry, in spanish we can call it 'mora'. i like mora's juice ;). Rafael Ortiz On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > thanks Martin > > in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing > meetings, others not getting a word in. I'd be delighted if > nonmarketing Sugar Labs team members lurked or participated, although > I have clear ideas about how to work on marketing puzzles I'll never > claim to have all the answers. > > re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a > classroom for Fedora. > > re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time > > Blueberry has been our "working" name for the next SoaS release since > before the Strawberry release (we chose to have banners done in both > red and blue logos so they would stay current longer) so I think we're > all set with Blueberry? > > thanks > > Sean > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >>> I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering >> >> You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard >> to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a >> directory...so I was hoping that you would just say "yes" or "no - use >> [this one]" when I asked you: >> >>> > Ah - so perhaps this: >>> > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_05.png >>> > >>> > ...is the logo you want, not the one I mentioned in my email: >>> > >>> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png >> >> [Hoped for:] >>> YES - use #5 >> [or] >>> NO - use #4 >> >> But the reason I'm dragging this out even further is I got: >> >>> About the logo, it's the "blueberriest" one we will want, variant 4 >> >> Aha so it's 4...but no, wait: >> >>> the one we used in the marketing materials prepared for the Strawberry >>> launch, variant 6: >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners >> >> ...so it's...6?! >> >> So do you want 4 (like you said first above) or 6 (like you said >> second above) or 5 (like you said earlier since you want it to be one >> of the ones from the beauty shot that clearly doesn't have 4 or 6)? >> >> >>> No, there wasn't "marketing decided", it was Tomeu who thought of >>> flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit >>> since "natural" wholesome sugars, a "fun treat for kids"), and >>> sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting. >> >> Tomeu suggested exactly what he suggested, which was clearly NOT >> flavours: "Cherry-Oak" is not a flavour. You and Eben were talking >> about colours explicitly and nobody said _anything_ about flavours: >> > [SeanDaly] [Eben] >>> [Tomeu] > Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo > color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what > color is the Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. >>> >>> So awesome that it may solve the controversial issue of naming >>> releases: Banana-Chocolate Sugar, Cherry-Oak Sugar, etc >> >> When I say "marketing decided ice cream", I mean: >> >> 1) marketing came up with the idea: >> >> [11:16:41] So, why not name SoaS versions as flavors, based >> on the boot logo color? >> [...] >> [11:18:38] caroline: I think the ice cream metaphor can >> really serve us >> >> 2) marketing championed it >> >> [12:30:02] sdziallas: OK for SoaS v1 with a flavor name? >> [...] >> [12:30:44] I rather like strawberry as a first one, but i >> don't think we have a logo that color >> >> 3) marketing called the vote: >> >> [12:34:07] Can we go with logo 06 "Strawberry" for this >> release? >> [12:34:26] we can disagree all summer over the next one >> (joke) >> [...] >> [12:35:54] strawberry +1 >> [...] >> [12:36:24] strawberry +1 >> [...] >> [12:36:49] strawberry +1 from me, too ;) >> >> 4) and marketing corrected me about the etymology :) >> >> It's certainly not worth the ink I've made you spill on it but it is >> nice to be able to say where the buck stopped with a given decision. >> If you don't want it pinned on you, ok :). >> >> >>> The key takeaway is that marketing is not something that is tacked >>> on at the end when something is ready for release, it's part of the >>> development process. >> >> Sure, that's why we're having this discussion, right? >> >>> But, again, there's no advantage to choosing the flavor/color beyond >>> the next one. We should together pick the v3 flavor in a few months, >>> not as a function of the 12 logos we have, but rather the catchiest >>> and most fun one. >> >> Ok, I'm convinced. >> >> >>> [marketing tips] >>> Is this clear I hope? >> >> That marketing lesson was very clear and interesting - you should >> teach a course! >> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >> >> Martin >> >> > ___ > Marketing mailing lis
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Great discussion. I'd love to be able to have a name for the next release because I need to talk about it a great deal these days. I say "Should we base our spin on Strawberry or the "next release"." I talk about: Should we try to combine Strawberry codebase and the new tool bar design?. Can I start calling it Blueberry? Is the new toolbar design the Blueberry style toolbar? Thanks, Caroline On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33, Martin Dengler > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > >> I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering > > > > You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard > > to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a > > directory...so I was hoping that you would just say "yes" or "no - use > > [this one]" when I asked you: > > > >> > Ah - so perhaps this: > >> > > >> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_05.png > >> > > >> > ...is the logo you want, not the one I mentioned in my email: > >> > > >> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png > > > > [Hoped for:] > >> YES - use #5 > > [or] > >> NO - use #4 > > > > But the reason I'm dragging this out even further is I got: > > > >> About the logo, it's the "blueberriest" one we will want, variant 4 > > > > Aha so it's 4...but no, wait: > > > >> the one we used in the marketing materials prepared for the Strawberry > >> launch, variant 6: > >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners > > > > ...so it's...6?! > > > > So do you want 4 (like you said first above) or 6 (like you said > > second above) or 5 (like you said earlier since you want it to be one > > of the ones from the beauty shot that clearly doesn't have 4 or 6)? > > > > > >> No, there wasn't "marketing decided", it was Tomeu who thought of > >> flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit > >> since "natural" wholesome sugars, a "fun treat for kids"), and > >> sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting. > > > > Tomeu suggested exactly what he suggested, which was clearly NOT > > flavours: "Cherry-Oak" is not a flavour. You and Eben were talking > > about colours explicitly and nobody said _anything_ about flavours: > > I think it's most appropriate to say that this idea was developed > collectively. I don't remember what I said nor why, but I think I was > expressing support for someone else's earlier idea. > > I think most or all specific suggestions in this thread will work well > and I don't think it's much worth discussing which one will be best. > > If someone really cares, we could define a process to decide names > such as Fedora's, though I really hope we find better names than them, > which I personally dislike even more than Ubuntu's. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > [SeanDaly] > >>> [Eben] > >> [Tomeu] > Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo > color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what > color is the Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. > >>> > >>> I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty > >>> awesome idea. > >> > >> So awesome that it may solve the controversial issue of naming > >> releases: Banana-Chocolate Sugar, Cherry-Oak Sugar, etc > > > > When I say "marketing decided ice cream", I mean: > > > > 1) marketing came up with the idea: > > > > [11:16:41] So, why not name SoaS versions as flavors, based > > on the boot logo color? > > [...] > > [11:18:38] caroline: I think the ice cream metaphor can > > really serve us > > > > 2) marketing championed it > > > > [12:30:02] sdziallas: OK for SoaS v1 with a flavor name? > > [...] > > [12:30:44] I rather like strawberry as a first one, but i > > don't think we have a logo that color > > > > 3) marketing called the vote: > > > > [12:34:07] Can we go with logo 06 "Strawberry" for this > > release? > > [12:34:26] we can disagree all summer over the next one > > (joke) > > [...] > > [12:35:54] strawberry +1 > > [...] > > [12:36:24] strawberry +1 > > [...] > > [12:36:49] strawberry +1 from me, too ;) > > > > 4) and marketing corrected me about the etymology :) > > > > It's certainly not worth the ink I've made you spill on it but it is > > nice to be able to say where the buck stopped with a given decision. > > If you don't want it pinned on you, ok :). > > > > > >> The key takeaway is that marketing is not something that is tacked > >> on at the end when something is ready for release, it's part of the > >> development process. > > > > Sure, that's why we're having this discussion, right? > > > >> But, again, there's no advantage to choosing the flavor/color beyond > >> the next one. We should together pick the v3 flavor in a few months, > >> not as a function of the 12 logos we have, but rather the catchiest > >> and most fun one. > > > > Ok, I'm convinced. > > > > > >> [marketing tips] > >> Is this clear I hope? > > >
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
I will stay clear of whether or not we should say what to whom, but when the time comes: Cacao, native to Mexico, Central and South America, has been cultivated for at least three millennia in that region. It was used originally in Mesoamerica both as a beverage, and as an ingredient in foods. (wikipedia.org) Seems like Chocolate has got to be on our short list. Yum. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
