Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? I suppose we could make it specific to tablet modes... but maybe try it to see if you really think it is difficult. I wouldn't have thought having different layouts for different devices would be confusing to users and not a great UX experience. Can we not just move the text chat up when they keyboard appears so the last written/received line is just above the keyboard. Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? I suppose we could make it specific to tablet modes... but maybe try it to see if you really think it is difficult. I wouldn't have thought having different layouts for different devices would be confusing to users and not a great UX experience. Can we not just move the text chat up when they keyboard appears so the last written/received line is just above the keyboard. Peter And why is moving the text chat not a different layout? I don't follow your logic. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? I suppose we could make it specific to tablet modes... but maybe try it to see if you really think it is difficult. I wouldn't have thought having different layouts for different devices would be confusing to users and not a great UX experience. Can we not just move the text chat up when they keyboard appears so the last written/received line is just above the keyboard. Peter And why is moving the text chat not a different layout? I don't follow your logic. Well you read it the same way whether it's on the screen or not rather than having it top down for one type of device and bottom up for the others. Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? I suppose we could make it specific to tablet modes... but maybe try it to see if you really think it is difficult. I wouldn't have thought having different layouts for different devices would be confusing to users and not a great UX experience. Can we not just move the text chat up when they keyboard appears so the last written/received line is just above the keyboard. Peter And why is moving the text chat not a different layout? I don't follow your logic. Well you read it the same way whether it's on the screen or not rather than having it top down for one type of device and bottom up for the others. Peter So what you are claiming is that your different layout is more intuitive than my different layout. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? I suppose we could make it specific to tablet modes... but maybe try it to see if you really think it is difficult. I wouldn't have thought having different layouts for different devices would be confusing to users and not a great UX experience. Can we not just move the text chat up when they keyboard appears so the last written/received line is just above the keyboard. Peter And why is moving the text chat not a different layout? I don't follow your logic. Well you read it the same way whether it's on the screen or not rather than having it top down for one type of device and bottom up for the others. Peter So what you are claiming is that your different layout is more intuitive than my different layout. No Walter, I never said that at all! I said that having a different layout on one device to that of another device is not intuitive to the user. Hal mentioned that reading the conversation upside down likely wasn't intuitive to the user based on other experiences. I merely was trying to suggest another alternative. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
Not sure who is maintaining Chat these days, but I've done some work to make it a bit more friendly with touch. Three changes, all trivial (I apologize they are combined into one patch): (1) The textview is moved to the top of the screen so that it not occluded by the OSK (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry (3) The toolbar is modified to use the standard activity-button. This means that on narrow screens, e.g. Portrait mode on the XO 4, the toolbar doesn't overflow. The activity toolbar is set to expanded if the activity has not yet been shared so that the share button is visible. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org 0001-flip-activity-vertically-so-that-it-works-with-OSK-m.patch Description: Binary data ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? (Is there a word for backwards up/down vs backwards right/left?) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] changes to Chat to support OSK and portrait mode
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: walter.ben...@gmail.com said: (2) The chat is displayed from the top (most recent) down so that the recent messages are not occluded by the OSK and so that the recent messages are proximal to the text entry How well does that work out? How long does it take to learn to read bottom-to-top? I'd expect troubles if you were distracted for a few lines and then tried to catch up. Is that only for XO-4 or will people with non-touch XOs have to learn to read backwards too? I suppose we could make it specific to tablet modes... but maybe try it to see if you really think it is difficult. -walter (Is there a word for backwards up/down vs backwards right/left?) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
