Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Y ! Awesome. Thanks for this test. I even didn't know it was possible. In the current version of the prototype (should be release shortly) I've solved some compatibility issue so it works know in Firefox. May be it would work better on Glass too. Very nice thought. Lionel. 2013/12/15 Mike Lee curious...@gmail.com Lionel, Just to see what it would look like, I loaded your HTML5 prototype of Sugar Web into the Google Glass web browser. Here's a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/11377906195/ People who have torn down the Glass web browser code say it is currently the Android phone web browser with some tweaks. Many are hoping to get Chrome and also have the OS updated to 4.2 or newer. The Glass Browser couldn't zoom or pan across the page in order to select links on your page from the trackpad. Not sure why, but this is an issue on many web pages perhaps having something to do with viewport settings. I don't think there is a click and drag gesture in the web browser or I would try the Gears activity. At some point soon, I'll get into sideloading Android apps from the GDK and will try the app you compiled for Android. Mike On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.orgwrote: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Lionel, Just to see what it would look like, I loaded your HTML5 prototype of Sugar Web into the Google Glass web browser. Here's a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/11377906195/ People who have torn down the Glass web browser code say it is currently the Android phone web browser with some tweaks. Many are hoping to get Chrome and also have the OS updated to 4.2 or newer. The Glass Browser couldn't zoom or pan across the page in order to select links on your page from the trackpad. Not sure why, but this is an issue on many web pages perhaps having something to do with viewport settings. I don't think there is a click and drag gesture in the web browser or I would try the Gears activity. At some point soon, I'll get into sideloading Android apps from the GDK and will try the app you compiled for Android. Mike On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.orgwrote: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
2013/11/13 Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! This is what we need! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Fantastic! It reminds me to the prototype made with the mozilla stack that Daniel Narvaez did, using b2g. That led to sugar-web. So we need more prototypes like this. And as Gary said, is a nice way to visualize the web activities. -- .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Hi Martin, 2013/11/14 Martin Abente martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com: Hola Lionel! AWESOME stuff you have there! Have you guys considered this [1] for collaboration? regards, tch Refs: 1. https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs C. Scott mentioned it, when it was under the name of TowTruck. I always wanted to give it a try but never found the time. It is not just research, I've seen it used in the popular site JSFiddle. -- .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Hi, for what it's worth I think this is pretty much the direction we should be taking for Sugar on the Web and Sugar on Android. It's great to have something to show rather than trying to describe, which I fell has not been working too well! Quick prototypes like this could also be a good way to figure out, for example, how to implement the Journal in a web friendly way. So... Kudos on this effort :) On Wednesday, 13 November 2013, Lionel Laské wrote: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Hi Lionel, On 13 Nov 2013, at 22:26, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Fantastic! :) Really great to see this, and for what its worth it ran well in Safari on my Mac (and would be trivial to make a standalone, fullscreen Mac app that wrapped this in an html view if desired). I'm thinking this – at the very least – may be a great path forward for writing Sugar Web apps and having somewhere to quickly and easily test them. Regards, --Gary Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Great work! I agree, a prototype is better than one million words. Gonzalo On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.orgwrote: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] A protototype of SugarWeb / SugarAndroid ?
Hola Lionel! AWESOME stuff you have there! Have you guys considered this [1] for collaboration? regards, tch Refs: 1. https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.orgwrote: Hi Sugar lover, I must confess that like other here, recent discussions on this list don't inspired me a lot :-( Governance strategy or strategy of governance of the future of Sugar and SugarLabs is not my cup of tea. Worse: I'm afraid that this transparency could scare some guys here and so don't serve our global objective… My session at OLPC SF on Sugar HTML5 work convince me also that not everyone put the same words on what Sugar Android, Sugar HTML5, … The same things could sometimes means very different features. So all of this stimulate me to hack instead of talking ! It's why I've decided to prototype a bit what could be (or could not be) Sugar Web/Android. I've packaged all existing Sugar Web Activities (that you could run of Sugar 0.100) and created a launcher that mimic the current Sugar desktop. I've used also HTML5 storage to reproduce a sort of data storage. Finally, Suraj is working on a way to simulate Presence using webRTC API that I hope we could add it shortly to this prototype. Here is the result as a Web Site: http://olpc-france.org/tmp/sugarwebui (Chrome browser need) Or as an Android app: http://olpc-france.org/download/org.olpc-france.sugarweb.apk (To be use on a tablet) An image is viewable here: http://olpc-france.org/download/sugarwebui_capture.png. This work has no vocation to become the Sugar Web/Sugar Android, it's just here to explore technically and functionally this subject: a prototype is often better than lot of words ! Hope it could help the discussion on the list and talks to the Malaysia base camp. Best regards from France. Lionel P.S.: Source code is available here: https://github.com/llaske/SugarWebUI ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
