Re: [Sugar-devel] Depend on NetworkManager 0.9.9 for Sugar 0.102
On 17 February 2014 17:54, Frederick Grose wrote: > I feel naive about the wireless stack and NetworkManager behavior > (which changed so recently). > > For example, > How does the behavior change with rfkill? > This was easy enough to test, the device is still listed with state unavailable. How does it change with a removable wireless adapter like a USB or > PCMCIA device? > I don't have hardware to test this at the moment, but I would expect the device to be listed when the adapter is plugged and disappear when it's unplugged. In general, I looked into the GNOME control center code (for the panel you see when clicking Wi-Fi Settings). The "Wi-Fi" item is added and removed from the list on the left whenever a device is added or removed on the NetworkManager API. So I think we are safe going with that logic too. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Depend on NetworkManager 0.9.9 for Sugar 0.102
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > It seems like that should be good enough Frederick? > > > On Monday, 17 February 2014, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> >> We can't move to F20 in XOs, then from our point of view, >> would be good make it compatible with NM 0.9.8 >> >> To identify version, in my system I can do: >> >> from gi.repository import NMClient >> client = NMClient.Client() >> client.get_version() >> >> '0.9.8.1' >> >> Is this good enough? >> >> Gonzalo >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Daniel Narvaez >> wrote: >>> >>> Here is the patch btw >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/FGrose/sugar/commit/102dd5f2147a4ddb0ce516f2d1c5907defbbba93 I deleted this fork for reconsideration. The once-proposed patch is now here: https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/102dd5f2147a4ddb0ce516f2d1c5907defbbba93 >>> >>> >>> On 17 February 2014 15:13, Daniel Narvaez wrote: Hi, Frederick Grose posted a pull request which hides the wireless control panel bits if no wireless device is present. To work properly that requires NetworkManager 0.9.9 which is in F20. I suppose this would mostly affect OLPC. I don't know if there are plans to move to F20 with 0.102. I tend to think we should do this only if we are not going to cause XO issues. An option would be to enable the new "feature" only on recent enough NetworkManager but I'm not sure there is a good way to do that. Opinions? -- Daniel Narvaez >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel Narvaez >>> >>> ___ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gonzalo Odiard >> >> SugarLabs - Learning Software for children > > > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > I feel naive about the wireless stack and NetworkManager behavior (which changed so recently). For example, How does the behavior change with rfkill? How does it change with a removable wireless adapter like a USB or PCMCIA device? I had proposed looking for a cfg80211 holders in /sys/module/cfg80211/holders/ in an earlier patch, https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/f58fec25809649fa06b1a57f1fa65dd606c676a0 This worked for an XO-1, but some systems may use nl80211 instead or have drivers in ROM (see (http://www.haifux.org/lectures/206/wirelessLec.pdf). It would be good to have some guidance from the community of wireless experts. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Depend on NetworkManager 0.9.9 for Sugar 0.102
It seems like that should be good enough Frederick? On Monday, 17 February 2014, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > We can't move to F20 in XOs, then from our point of view, > would be good make it compatible with NM 0.9.8 > > To identify version, in my system I can do: > > from gi.repository import NMClient > client = NMClient.Client() > client.get_version() > > '0.9.8.1' > > Is this good enough? > > Gonzalo > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Daniel Narvaez > > > wrote: > >> Here is the patch btw >> >> >> https://github.com/FGrose/sugar/commit/102dd5f2147a4ddb0ce516f2d1c5907defbbba93 >> >> >> On 17 February 2014 15:13, Daniel Narvaez >> >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Frederick Grose posted a pull request which hides the wireless control >>> panel bits if no wireless device is present. To work properly that requires >>> NetworkManager 0.9.9 which is in F20. >>> >>> I suppose this would mostly affect OLPC. I don't know if there are plans >>> to move to F20 with 0.102. I tend to think we should do this only if we are >>> not going to cause XO issues. >>> >>> An option would be to enable the new "feature" only on recent enough >>> NetworkManager but I'm not sure there is a good way to do that. >>> >>> Opinions? >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel Narvaez >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel Narvaez >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > > > -- > Gonzalo Odiard > > SugarLabs - Learning Software for children > -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Depend on NetworkManager 0.9.9 for Sugar 0.102
We can't move to F20 in XOs, then from our point of view, would be good make it compatible with NM 0.9.8 To identify version, in my system I can do: from gi.repository import NMClient client = NMClient.Client() client.get_version() '0.9.8.1' Is this good enough? Gonzalo On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Here is the patch btw > > > https://github.com/FGrose/sugar/commit/102dd5f2147a4ddb0ce516f2d1c5907defbbba93 > > > On 17 February 2014 15:13, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Frederick Grose posted a pull request which hides the wireless control >> panel bits if no wireless device is present. To work properly that requires >> NetworkManager 0.9.9 which is in F20. >> >> I suppose this would mostly affect OLPC. I don't know if there are plans >> to move to F20 with 0.102. I tend to think we should do this only if we are >> not going to cause XO issues. >> >> An option would be to enable the new "feature" only on recent enough >> NetworkManager but I'm not sure there is a good way to do that. >> >> Opinions? >> >> -- >> Daniel Narvaez >> > > > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Depend on NetworkManager 0.9.9 for Sugar 0.102
Here is the patch btw https://github.com/FGrose/sugar/commit/102dd5f2147a4ddb0ce516f2d1c5907defbbba93 On 17 February 2014 15:13, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Hi, > > Frederick Grose posted a pull request which hides the wireless control > panel bits if no wireless device is present. To work properly that requires > NetworkManager 0.9.9 which is in F20. > > I suppose this would mostly affect OLPC. I don't know if there are plans > to move to F20 with 0.102. I tend to think we should do this only if we are > not going to cause XO issues. > > An option would be to enable the new "feature" only on recent enough > NetworkManager but I'm not sure there is a good way to do that. > > Opinions? > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Depend on NetworkManager 0.9.9 for Sugar 0.102
Hi, Frederick Grose posted a pull request which hides the wireless control panel bits if no wireless device is present. To work properly that requires NetworkManager 0.9.9 which is in F20. I suppose this would mostly affect OLPC. I don't know if there are plans to move to F20 with 0.102. I tend to think we should do this only if we are not going to cause XO issues. An option would be to enable the new "feature" only on recent enough NetworkManager but I'm not sure there is a good way to do that. Opinions? -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
