Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: Hello, Caroline, I've considerable information to report re: CD's booting SoaS on USB. First, I admit to burning my boot CD wrong; creating the right kind of (.iso) CD makes the process work fine for me. My fairly current desktop system worked fine this way, as well as did an IBM ThinkPad notebook of Pentium II vintage. (I'm by and large a Windows person; no experience with Macs at all.) I did experience an overwhelming problem with the ThinkPad, however; it took a good 20 minutes or more for it to get from opening blue screen to the opening screen of my activity. It even took more than a minute to change to my initial activity screen from its full-screen icon display. And this machine has 1GB of memory. This admittedly anecdotal evidence leads me to question the total feasibility of running SoaS on vintage equipment. Have you or others had similar experience? I was prepared for *some* slowdown, as my XO-1 natively runs noticeably faster than the XO-1 under SoaS Strawberry. The IBM ThinkPad however, is a *complete* no-go. I've another Pentium I/II vintage laptop. It, like my IBM, has only a single USB port - showing that they are from the first generation of USB usage. However, this Hitachi laptop cannot boot from CD. This reminded me that USB ports and bootable CD's came in at about the same time, and do not predate by far bootable USB drives. IOW, bootable CD's are of limited utility for SoaS. However, bootable (3.5) *floppies* would be altogether a different matter. Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as long as you could find a USB card for them. Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive, having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped over the A: drive opening (?!). Yes! we agree. Thanks in advance for your help testing. :) But, to restate my question (and fear): who has had bad/good experience with SoaS in older computers? Have you seen this page? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware We could use some help moving this along and gardening the wiki page. For now I am trying to only collect P4 and better as donations.I'd love to be able to expand that. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Hi, How are things going getting your computers to boot? Do you get this consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take. Thanks Caroline On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from, completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows. Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more than 4 years old or so fit into this category. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org *To:* Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaepi...@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM *Subject:* [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Has anyone seen a Not Responding error when booting with a CD helper? Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them to bugs/FAQs etc. -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB To: cme...@sugarlabs.org New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at LGF. I've never seen this error before. Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow. -- You received this question notification because you are a direct subscriber of the question. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Art Hunkinsabhun...@uncg.edu wrote: However, bootable (3.5) *floppies* would be altogether a different matter. Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as long as you could find a USB card for them. My thoughts as well. Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive, having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped over the A: drive opening (?!). I just got an account at SugarLabs today. I'll try to upload my most recent test image this evening and post where it is... Bill Bogstad ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB
Hello, Caroline, I've considerable information to report re: CD's booting SoaS on USB. First, I admit to burning my boot CD wrong; creating the right kind of (.iso) CD makes the process work fine for me. My fairly current desktop system worked fine this way, as well as did an IBM ThinkPad notebook of Pentium II vintage. (I'm by and large a Windows person; no experience with Macs at all.) I did experience an overwhelming problem with the ThinkPad, however; it took a good 20 minutes or more for it to get from opening blue screen to the opening screen of my activity. It even took more than a minute to change to my initial activity screen from its full-screen icon display. And this machine has 1GB of memory. This admittedly anecdotal evidence leads me to question the total feasibility of running SoaS on vintage equipment. Have you or others had similar experience? I was prepared for *some* slowdown, as my XO-1 natively runs noticeably faster than the XO-1 under SoaS Strawberry. The IBM ThinkPad however, is a *complete* no-go. I've another Pentium I/II vintage laptop. It, like my IBM, has only a single USB port - showing that they are from the first generation of USB usage. However, this Hitachi laptop cannot boot from CD. This reminded me that USB ports and bootable CD's came in at about the same time, and do not predate by far bootable USB drives. IOW, bootable CD's are of limited utility for SoaS. However, bootable (3.5) *floppies* would be altogether a different matter. Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as long as you could find a USB card for them. Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive, having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped over the A: drive opening (?!). But, to restate my question (and fear): who has had bad/good experience with SoaS in older computers? Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Caroline Meeks To: Art Hunkins Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Hi, How are things going getting your computers to boot? Do you get this consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take. Thanks Caroline On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from, completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows. Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more than 4 years old or so fit into this category. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Caroline Meeks To: Sugar Devel ; iaep Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Has anyone seen a Not Responding error when booting with a CD helper? Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them to bugs/FAQs etc. -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB To: cme...@sugarlabs.org New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at LGF. I've never seen this error before. Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow. -- You received this question notification because you are a direct subscriber of the question. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB
Caroline, To reply to your *specific* questions: With the CD/USB combo, the CD boot seems to work consistently on my PC's. I've tested on two recent PC systems: a desktop and a laptop. I've noted no difference between shutdown and restart. I've configured bootup order as both: CD then HD; CD then nothing. Same result for each. Bottom line: the CD boot helper is working flawlessly for me (on recent PC systems). Take care - Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Caroline Meeks To: Art Hunkins Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Hi, How are things going getting your computers to boot? Do you get this consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take. Thanks Caroline On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from, completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows. Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more than 4 years old or so fit into this category. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Caroline Meeks To: Sugar Devel ; iaep Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Has anyone seen a Not Responding error when booting with a CD helper? Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them to bugs/FAQs etc. -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB To: cme...@sugarlabs.org New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at LGF. I've never seen this error before. Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow. -- You received this question notification because you are a direct subscriber of the question. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
