Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: SOAS on R-Pi

2019-04-23 Thread James Cameron 
(There's also olpc-dm that was used on Fedora 18 OLPC OS, but it is 
unmaintained, so you'll need a developer to make it work on Raspbian.)

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 05:46:17PM +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> Yes, there is a way, but this is not part of Sugar.  It is part of a program 
> in a class of programs called a greeter.
> 
> gdm3 offers a choice of Sugar or GNOME if both are installed.
> 
> lightdm also offers a similar choice.
> 
> nodm can be configured for one choice only.
> 
> You can find the documentation for this in the greeter program packages.
> 
> Some greeters allow simultaneous sessions, so you can switch between Sugar 
> and something else.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 08:43:32PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > Thank you, that's very helpful. However, isn't there a way to have a choice
> > between sugar and the raspbian desktop? I see that .xsession has two 
> > entries,
> > both of which are "sugar" -- could the other be the name of the raspbian
> > desktop? From what I've read so far it might be LXDE. ?? 
> > thanks
> > Hilary
> > 
> > ---
> > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > [1]www.a2zed.us
> > Oakland CA
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:59 PM James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> > 
> > G'day Hilary,
> > 
> > As you used "echo sugar >> .xsession" to make it run Sugar on reboot,
> > and you want to stop that from happening, remove the file.
> > 
> > "rm .xsession"
> > 
> > Do that in Terminal, then reboot.
> > 
> > Alternatively, reinstall Raspbian using the downloads from Raspberry
> > Pi Foundation;
> > 
> > [3]https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
> > 
> > The page you link to is about Debian.  Raspbian is not Debian, but is
> > derived from it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:43:13PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Samson advises I forward this query to you>>>
> > > I started from this page
> > > [1][4]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> > > using-sugar-0110-on-debian 
> > >  
> > > -- Forwarded message -
> > > From: Hilary Naylor <[2][5]hnay...@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: SOAS on R-Pi
> > > To: Samson Goddy <[3][6]samsongo...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > But now I can't get it back to raspian! I followed the commands on 
> > this
> > page:
> > > [4][7]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian 
> > >
> > > I guess this makes it run sugar on reboot
> > > echo sugar >> .xsession
> > > so how do I make it run raspbian on reboot?
> > >
> > >  
> > > ---
> > > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > > [5][8]www.a2zed.us
> > > Oakland CA
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM Hilary Naylor 
> > <[6][9]hnay...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >     I got it working! :) 
> > >
> > >     ---
> > >     Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > >     [7][10]www.a2zed.us
> > >     Oakland CA
> > >
> > >     On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:13 PM Hilary Naylor <[8][11]
> > hnay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >         Hi Samson,
> > >         Starting from this page:
> > >         [9][12]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/
> > debian.md#
> > >         using-sugar-0110-on-debian  
> > >         Stretch is a raspian image so there is not the opportunity 
> > (that
> > I know
> > >         of) to do this: 
> > >           ☆ when asked mid-way through install what to include, 
> > deselect
> > all,
> > >         So I open Terminal and enter
> > >
> > >         sudo apt install sucrose lightdm
> > >
> > >          Result:
> > >         E: Unable to locate package sucrose
> > >
> > >         Advice?
> > >         thanks
> > >         Hilary
> > >
> > >         ---
> > >         Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > >         [10][13]www.a2zed.us
> > >         Oakland CA
> > >
> > > References:
> > >
> > > [1] [14]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> > using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > > [2] mailto:[15]hnay...@gmail.com
> > > [3] mailto:[16]samsongo...@gmail.com
> > > [4] [17]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> > > [5] [18]http://www.a2zed.us/
> > > [6] mailto:[19]hnay...@gmail.com
> > > [7] [20]http://www.a2zed.us/
> > > [8] mailto:[21]hnay...@gmail.com
> > > [9] [22]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> > using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > > [10] [23]http://www.a2zed.us/
> > 
> > > ___
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> > 
> > --
> > James Cameron
> > [26]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > 
> > References:
> > 
> > [1] http://www.a2zed.us/
>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: SOAS on R-Pi

2019-04-23 Thread Tony Anderson 
I hope you are successful in this initiative. It is exactly what we need 
to document as part of the education project.


Tony


On 4/23/19 11:43 AM, Hilary Naylor wrote:

Hi James,
Thank you, that's very helpful. However, isn't there a way to have a 
choice between sugar and the raspbian desktop? I see that .xsession 
has two entries, both of which are "sugar" -- could the other be the 
name of the raspbian desktop? From what I've read so far it might be 
LXDE. ??

thanks
Hilary

---
Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us 
Oakland CA


On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:59 PM James Cameron > wrote:


G'day Hilary,

As you used "echo sugar >> .xsession" to make it run Sugar on reboot,
and you want to stop that from happening, remove the file.

"rm .xsession"

Do that in Terminal, then reboot.

Alternatively, reinstall Raspbian using the downloads from Raspberry
Pi Foundation;

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

The page you link to is about Debian.  Raspbian is not Debian, but is
derived from it.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:43:13PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> Hi,
> Samson advises I forward this query to you>>>
> I started from this page
> [1]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> using-sugar-0110-on-debian
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Hilary Naylor <[2]hnay...@gmail.com
>
> Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: SOAS on R-Pi
> To: Samson Goddy <[3]samsongo...@gmail.com
>
>
> But now I can't get it back to raspian! I followed the commands
on this page:
> [4]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
>
> I guess this makes it run sugar on reboot
> echo sugar >> .xsession
> so how do I make it run raspbian on reboot?
>
>
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [5]www.a2zed.us 
> Oakland CA
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM Hilary Naylor
<[6]hnay...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>     I got it working! :)
>
>     ---
>     Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
>     [7]www.a2zed.us 
>     Oakland CA
>
>     On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:13 PM Hilary Naylor
<[8]hnay...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>         Hi Samson,
>         Starting from this page:
>       
 [9]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
>         using-sugar-0110-on-debian
>         Stretch is a raspian image so there is not the
opportunity (that I know
>         of) to do this:
>           ☆ when asked mid-way through install what to include,
deselect all,
>         So I open Terminal and enter
>
>         sudo apt install sucrose lightdm
>
>          Result:
>         E: Unable to locate package sucrose
>
>         Advice?
>         thanks
>         Hilary
>
>         ---
>         Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
>         [10]www.a2zed.us 
>         Oakland CA
>
> References:
>
> [1]

https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> [2] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com 
> [3] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com 
> [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> [5] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [6] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com 
> [7] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [8] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com 
> [9]

https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> [10] http://www.a2zed.us/

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: SOAS on R-Pi

2019-04-23 Thread James Cameron 
Yes, there is a way, but this is not part of Sugar.  It is part of a program in 
a class of programs called a greeter.

gdm3 offers a choice of Sugar or GNOME if both are installed.

lightdm also offers a similar choice.

nodm can be configured for one choice only.

You can find the documentation for this in the greeter program packages.

Some greeters allow simultaneous sessions, so you can switch between Sugar and 
something else.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 08:43:32PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> Hi James,
> Thank you, that's very helpful. However, isn't there a way to have a choice
> between sugar and the raspbian desktop? I see that .xsession has two entries,
> both of which are "sugar" -- could the other be the name of the raspbian
> desktop? From what I've read so far it might be LXDE. ?? 
> thanks
> Hilary
> 
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [1]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:59 PM James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> G'day Hilary,
> 
> As you used "echo sugar >> .xsession" to make it run Sugar on reboot,
> and you want to stop that from happening, remove the file.
> 
> "rm .xsession"
> 
> Do that in Terminal, then reboot.
> 
> Alternatively, reinstall Raspbian using the downloads from Raspberry
> Pi Foundation;
> 
> [3]https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
> 
> The page you link to is about Debian.  Raspbian is not Debian, but is
> derived from it.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:43:13PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Samson advises I forward this query to you>>>
> > I started from this page
> > [1][4]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> > using-sugar-0110-on-debian 
> >  
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: Hilary Naylor <[2][5]hnay...@gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: SOAS on R-Pi
> > To: Samson Goddy <[3][6]samsongo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > But now I can't get it back to raspian! I followed the commands on this
> page:
> > [4][7]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian 
> >
> > I guess this makes it run sugar on reboot
> > echo sugar >> .xsession
> > so how do I make it run raspbian on reboot?
> >
> >  
> > ---
> > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > [5][8]www.a2zed.us
> > Oakland CA
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM Hilary Naylor <[6][9]hnay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >     I got it working! :) 
> >
> >     ---
> >     Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> >     [7][10]www.a2zed.us
> >     Oakland CA
> >
> >     On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:13 PM Hilary Naylor <[8][11]
> hnay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Samson,
> >         Starting from this page:
> >         [9][12]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/
> debian.md#
> >         using-sugar-0110-on-debian  
> >         Stretch is a raspian image so there is not the opportunity (that
> I know
> >         of) to do this: 
> >           ☆ when asked mid-way through install what to include, deselect
> all,
> >         So I open Terminal and enter
> >
> >         sudo apt install sucrose lightdm
> >
> >          Result:
> >         E: Unable to locate package sucrose
> >
> >         Advice?
> >         thanks
> >         Hilary
> >
> >         ---
> >         Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> >         [10][13]www.a2zed.us
> >         Oakland CA
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] [14]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > [2] mailto:[15]hnay...@gmail.com
> > [3] mailto:[16]samsongo...@gmail.com
> > [4] [17]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> > [5] [18]http://www.a2zed.us/
> > [6] mailto:[19]hnay...@gmail.com
> > [7] [20]http://www.a2zed.us/
> > [8] mailto:[21]hnay...@gmail.com
> > [9] [22]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > [10] [23]http://www.a2zed.us/
> 
> > ___
> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > [24]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [25]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> 
> --
> James Cameron
> [26]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [2] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> [3] https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
> [4] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> [5] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [6] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com
> [7] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> [8] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [9] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [10] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [11] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [12] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> [13] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [14] 
> https://github.com/sugarl

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: SOAS on R-Pi

2019-04-22 Thread Hilary Naylor 
Hi James,
Thank you, that's very helpful. However, isn't there a way to have a choice
between sugar and the raspbian desktop? I see that .xsession has two
entries, both of which are "sugar" -- could the other be the name of the
raspbian desktop? From what I've read so far it might be LXDE. ??
thanks
Hilary

---
Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us
Oakland CA


On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:59 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> G'day Hilary,
>
> As you used "echo sugar >> .xsession" to make it run Sugar on reboot,
> and you want to stop that from happening, remove the file.
>
> "rm .xsession"
>
> Do that in Terminal, then reboot.
>
> Alternatively, reinstall Raspbian using the downloads from Raspberry
> Pi Foundation;
>
> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
>
> The page you link to is about Debian.  Raspbian is not Debian, but is
> derived from it.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:43:13PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Samson advises I forward this query to you>>>
> > I started from this page
> > [1]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> > using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> >
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: Hilary Naylor <[2]hnay...@gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: SOAS on R-Pi
> > To: Samson Goddy <[3]samsongo...@gmail.com>
> >
> > But now I can't get it back to raspian! I followed the commands on this
> page:
> > [4]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> >
> > I guess this makes it run sugar on reboot
> > echo sugar >> .xsession
> > so how do I make it run raspbian on reboot?
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > [5]www.a2zed.us
> > Oakland CA
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM Hilary Naylor <[6]hnay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I got it working! :)
> >
> > ---
> > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > [7]www.a2zed.us
> > Oakland CA
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:13 PM Hilary Naylor <[8]hnay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Samson,
> > Starting from this page:
> > [9]
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> > using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > Stretch is a raspian image so there is not the opportunity (that
> I know
> > of) to do this:
> >   ☆ when asked mid-way through install what to include, deselect
> all,
> > So I open Terminal and enter
> >
> > sudo apt install sucrose lightdm
> >
> >  Result:
> > E: Unable to locate package sucrose
> >
> > Advice?
> > thanks
> > Hilary
> >
> > ---
> > Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> > [10]www.a2zed.us
> > Oakland CA
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1]
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > [2] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> > [3] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com
> > [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> > [5] http://www.a2zed.us/
> > [6] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> > [7] http://www.a2zed.us/
> > [8] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> > [9]
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> > [10] http://www.a2zed.us/
>
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>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: SOAS on R-Pi

2019-04-19 Thread James Cameron 
G'day Hilary,

As you used "echo sugar >> .xsession" to make it run Sugar on reboot,
and you want to stop that from happening, remove the file.

"rm .xsession"

Do that in Terminal, then reboot.

Alternatively, reinstall Raspbian using the downloads from Raspberry
Pi Foundation;

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

The page you link to is about Debian.  Raspbian is not Debian, but is
derived from it.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:43:13PM -0700, Hilary Naylor wrote:
> Hi,
> Samson advises I forward this query to you>>>
> I started from this page
> [1]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> using-sugar-0110-on-debian 
>  
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Hilary Naylor <[2]hnay...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: SOAS on R-Pi
> To: Samson Goddy <[3]samsongo...@gmail.com>
> 
> But now I can't get it back to raspian! I followed the commands on this page:
> [4]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian 
> 
> I guess this makes it run sugar on reboot
> echo sugar >> .xsession
> so how do I make it run raspbian on reboot?
> 
>  
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [5]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM Hilary Naylor <[6]hnay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I got it working! :) 
> 
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [7]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
> 
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:13 PM Hilary Naylor <[8]hnay...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Samson,
> Starting from this page:
> [9]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#
> using-sugar-0110-on-debian  
> Stretch is a raspian image so there is not the opportunity (that I 
> know
> of) to do this: 
>   ☆ when asked mid-way through install what to include, deselect all,
> So I open Terminal and enter
> 
> sudo apt install sucrose lightdm
> 
>  Result:
> E: Unable to locate package sucrose
> 
> Advice?
> thanks
> Hilary
> 
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> [10]www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> [2] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [3] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com
> [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian
> [5] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [6] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [7] http://www.a2zed.us/
> [8] mailto:hnay...@gmail.com
> [9] 
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
> [10] http://www.a2zed.us/

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: SOAS on R-Pi

2019-04-19 Thread Hilary Naylor 
Hi,
Samson advises I forward this query to you>>>
I started from this page
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian


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From: Hilary Naylor 
Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: SOAS on R-Pi
To: Samson Goddy 

But now I can't get it back to raspian! I followed the commands on this
page:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Raspbian

I guess this makes it run sugar on reboot
echo sugar >> .xsession
so how do I make it run raspbian on reboot?


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Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
www.a2zed.us
Oakland CA


On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM Hilary Naylor  wrote:

> I got it working! :)
>
> ---
> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
> www.a2zed.us
> Oakland CA
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:13 PM Hilary Naylor  wrote:
>
>> Hi Samson,
>> Starting from this page:
>>
>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md#using-sugar-0110-on-debian
>>
>> Stretch is a raspian image so there is not the opportunity (that I know
>> of) to do this:
>>
>>- when asked mid-way through install what to include, deselect all,
>>
>> So I open Terminal and enter
>>
>> sudo apt install sucrose lightdm
>>
>>  Result:
>> E: Unable to locate package sucrose
>>
>> Advice?
>> thanks
>> Hilary
>>
>> ---
>> Hilary Naylor, Ph.D.
>> www.a2zed.us
>> Oakland CA
>>
>>>
>>>
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