Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

I'm confused  :) The www-sugarlabs repo hasn't been updated for 19 days?
How was the site changed?

On 21 April 2016 at 09:18, Sean DALY  wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
> I'm not being negative, just surprised that the site was changed. My ideal
> process is to involve marketers in marketing, but that's very unusual for
> FLOSS projects :-)
>
> In fact the homepage does cycle the logo variants - that's good!
>
> There are typos in the text though... who can fix those?
>
> I am relieved to see that the press page survived at its permalink.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 21 April 2016 at 09:08, Sean DALY  wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't realize the existing site had been scrapped already.
>>>
>>
>> I would like to ask you to be more positive about the new members of the
>> community being enthusiastic about contributing.
>>
>>
>>> FWIW, the Sugar branding calls for randomly switching between the logo
>>> color schemes [1] on reload. The old site (where ?) did this
>>>
>>
>> What is your ideal process for changing the Sugar Branding Guidelines?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>
>


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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Sean DALY]

Hi Dave

I'm not being negative, just surprised that the site was changed. My ideal
process is to involve marketers in marketing, but that's very unusual for
FLOSS projects :-)

In fact the homepage does cycle the logo variants - that's good!

There are typos in the text though... who can fix those?

I am relieved to see that the press page survived at its permalink.

Sean


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> On 21 April 2016 at 09:08, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
>> I didn't realize the existing site had been scrapped already.
>>
>
> I would like to ask you to be more positive about the new members of the
> community being enthusiastic about contributing.
>
>
>> FWIW, the Sugar branding calls for randomly switching between the logo
>> color schemes [1] on reload. The old site (where ?) did this
>>
>
> What is your ideal process for changing the Sugar Branding Guidelines?
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 21 April 2016 at 09:08, Sean DALY  wrote:

> I didn't realize the existing site had been scrapped already.
>

I would like to ask you to be more positive about the new members of the
community being enthusiastic about contributing.


> FWIW, the Sugar branding calls for randomly switching between the logo
> color schemes [1] on reload. The old site (where ?) did this
>

What is your ideal process for changing the Sugar Branding Guidelines?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Sean DALY]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Juan Carlos Murillo  wrote:

> Also, if there is a range of different colors for the logo, then a good
> idea might be to use the same logo color for the websites that have more
> related content between them (i.e. homepage and activities).


I didn't realize the existing site had been scrapped already.

FWIW, the Sugar branding calls for randomly switching between the logo
color schemes [1] on reload. The old site (where ?) did this

Sean

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Sanchit Bansal]

It's amazing to see many people willing to work on the same project.

If shows how important it is also. I will be more than happy to help even
if I am not selected.
On 21-Apr-2016 12:52 pm, "Juan Carlos Murillo" <jcmurillo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your answers.
>
>
>
> I visited all the websites and I think they would look much better with a
> consistent color scheme. I’m going to try your suggested scheme. Also, if
> there is a range of different colors for the logo, then a good idea might
> be to use the same logo color for the websites that have more related
> content between them (i.e. homepage and activities).
>
>
>
> Thanks for the prioritization of the websites, I will definitely take it
> into consideration when working on the redesign.
>
>
>
> Jekyll is pretty good, another good option is NodeJS-based static site
> generator Hexo. Wouldn’t it might be more simple for the developers to use
> a same CMS or static site generator for all SL websites?
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Juan Carlos Murillo
>
>
>
> *De:* d.crossl...@gmail.com [mailto:d.crossl...@gmail.com] *En nombre de *Dave
> Crossland
> *Enviado el:* Monday, April 18, 2016 5:37 PM
> *Para:* Juan Carlos Murillo <jcmurillo...@gmail.com>
> *CC:* sugar-devel <sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> *Asunto:* Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> On 18 April 2016 at 15:04, Juan Carlos Murillo <jcmurillo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the Translation
> webpages, which other websites do you think will need to be redesigned?
>
>
>
> I would prioritize/order them as: homepage, activities.sugarlabs.org,
> wiki, lists, planet, translations, bugs
>
>
>
> Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green or
> blue?
>
>
>
> As I understand it - might be wrong - there isn't a single colour; the
> brand guidelines specify that a range of colors are used in a consistent
> pattern, and the brand identity is in the pattern.
>
>
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo
>
>
>
> However, I think if there was to be one color, it would be the bright
> green ones (to match the bright green of the XOs)
>
>
>
> What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?
>
>
>
> I think it would be good to use a material design scheme, with a the grey
> scheme as primary, and the light green scheme as secondary.
>
>
>
> The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same color
> scheme on all websites may look nicer.
>
>
>
> I agree
>
>
>
> Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?
>
>
>
> I think the existing CMS for each site are fine:
>
>
> homepage, jeykll (https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs)
>
>
>
> activities.sugarlabs.org, mozilla addons
>
>
>
> wiki, mediawiki
>
>
>
> lists, mailman2
>
>
>
> planet, planet
>
>
>
> translations, pootle
>
>
>
> bugs, trac
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Juan Carlos Murillo]

Hi Dave,

 

Thank you for your answers. 

 

I visited all the websites and I think they would look much better with a 
consistent color scheme. I’m going to try your suggested scheme. Also, if there 
is a range of different colors for the logo, then a good idea might be to use 
the same logo color for the websites that have more related content between 
them (i.e. homepage and activities).

 

Thanks for the prioritization of the websites, I will definitely take it into 
consideration when working on the redesign.

 

Jekyll is pretty good, another good option is NodeJS-based static site 
generator Hexo. Wouldn’t it might be more simple for the developers to use a 
same CMS or static site generator for all SL websites?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Juan Carlos Murillo

 

De: d.crossl...@gmail.com [mailto:d.crossl...@gmail.com] En nombre de Dave 
Crossland
Enviado el: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:37 PM
Para: Juan Carlos Murillo <jcmurillo...@gmail.com>
CC: sugar-devel <sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
Asunto: Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

 

Hi

 

On 18 April 2016 at 15:04, Juan Carlos Murillo <jcmurillo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jcmurillo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the Translation 
webpages, which other websites do you think will need to be redesigned?

 

I would prioritize/order them as: homepage, activities.sugarlabs.org 
<http://activities.sugarlabs.org> , wiki, lists, planet, translations, bugs

 

Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green or blue? 

 

As I understand it - might be wrong - there isn't a single colour; the brand 
guidelines specify that a range of colors are used in a consistent pattern, and 
the brand identity is in the pattern. 

 

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo

 

However, I think if there was to be one color, it would be the bright green 
ones (to match the bright green of the XOs)

 

What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?

 

I think it would be good to use a material design scheme, with a the grey 
scheme as primary, and the light green scheme as secondary. 

 

The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same color scheme 
on all websites may look nicer.

 

I agree

 

Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?

 

I think the existing CMS for each site are fine:


homepage, jeykll (https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs) 

 

activities.sugarlabs.org <http://activities.sugarlabs.org> , mozilla addons

 

wiki, mediawiki

 

lists, mailman2

 

planet, planet

 

translations, pootle

 

bugs, trac

 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Juan Carlos Murillo]

Yes, Dave! I’m proposing to make a redesign of Sugar Lab’s websites.

 

Thank you,

 

Juan Carlos Murillo

 

De: Sugar-devel [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] En nombre de 
Dave Crossland
Enviado el: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:39 PM
Para: Sam P. <sam@sam.today>
CC: sugar-devel <sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>; Sanchit Bansal 
<sanchit.bansal_u...@ashoka.edu.in>; James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org>
Asunto: Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

 

Hi

 

On 18 April 2016 at 18:21, Sam P. <sam@sam.today <mailto:sam@sam.today> > wrote:

Content is genuinely the most important.  No matter how nice your design is, no 
new visitor will be able to get what sugarlabs is by looking at your site - it 
simply doesn't say it!


I agree 100%, however, as I understood it, I think Juan Carlos and Sanchit are 
proposing to rework the visual design of the existing content, not to author 
new content. 

 

Is that right, guys? :) 


 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Juan Carlos Murillo]

Thank you for your answers, James! I will take them into consideration.

I agree, before redesigning each specific website I'll make sure to identify 
correctly its target audience. I have checked the suggested websites and they 
could also be good options to redesign.

Regarding the CMS, you are right, probably a Git-integrated static site 
generator like Hexo (https://hexo.io/)  or Jekyll (https://jekyllrb.com/) could 
be much more convenient for this case.


Best regards,

Juan Carlos Murillo

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De: Sugar-devel [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] En nombre de 
James Cameron
Enviado el: Monday, April 18, 2016 4:48 PM
Para: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Asunto: Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:04:19PM -0500, Juan Carlos Murillo wrote:
> Hi developers,
> 
> I hope you are doing well.

Fine thanks!

> I applied for the GSoC 2016 to work on the redesign of the Sugar Lab’s 
> websites. I would like to have your opinions on the following 
> questions.

A question not asked, for perhaps it is obvious, is who is the intended 
audience for each web site.

> In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the 
> Translation webpages, which other websites do you think will need to 
> be redesigned?

You might ask systems@ for a list of virtual hosts.

Some may benefit from style changes, if consistency of style is critical;

help.sugarlabs.org
socialhelp.sugarlabs.org
developer.sugarlabs.org

There is old information about Sugar on wiki.laptop.org.  If you need an 
account to remove or redirect on wiki.laptop.org, contact me.

> Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green or 
> blue?

I don't think it matters.

> What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?
> The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same 
> color scheme on all websites may look nicer.

I don't think it matters.

> Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?

No.  Something with git integration would be helpful so that developers can 
link Sugar source code changes with changes to web sites.  Otherwise a change 
might be made in only one place, leading to inconsistency.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Venketesh Mahapatra]

​​
agreed, but if we can use instantsearchJS with Mozilla add-ons then it
would be great.
https://community.algolia.com/instantsearch.js/documentation/#starrating
Also we can use readthedocs with custom sphinx theme for documentation
features in readthedocs:
1. provides github integration
2. Auto Updating
3. docs in multiple languages(.po files)
4. provides building multiple versions
5. pdf generation
6. full-text search across all of the pages search indexing

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 20 April 2016 at 11:11, Venketesh Mahapatra <
> mahapatra.venket...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Mozilla addons - I think a better alternative may be instantsearchJS
>> https://community.algolia.com/instantsearch.js/ . It is faster and the
>> UX is pretty good.
>>
>
> I'm not sure that is an alternative to addons; it is "a library of UI
> widgets to help you build the best instant-search experience with Algolia's
> Hosted Search API."
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

On 20 April 2016 at 11:11, Venketesh Mahapatra <
mahapatra.venket...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Mozilla addons - I think a better alternative may be instantsearchJS
> https://community.algolia.com/instantsearch.js/ . It is faster and the UX
> is pretty good.
>

I'm not sure that is an alternative to addons; it is "a library of UI
widgets to help you build the best instant-search experience with Algolia's
Hosted Search API."
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Venketesh Mahapatra]

Hello
I have also applied for GSOC 2016. I had an exam so  I couldn't reply to
the messages. I have some suggestions and doubts regarding the technologies
used. I may be wrong in that case please correct me.

Mozilla addons - I think a better alternative may be instantsearchJS
https://community.algolia.com/instantsearch.js/ . It is faster and the UX
is pretty good.
demo: https://community.algolia.com/instantsearch.js/examples/media/

planet - an option to use 2 themes (Day/Night) will be nice. It needs a
better background and frame box design.
reference: http://planet.gnome.org/

pootle- i like the translation site as it is now. some changes in color(to
match with the whole website) and  an icon is needed

gitorious: this website uses gitorious https://git.sugarlabs.org/ but
gitlab acquired gitorious. so should we move to gitlab (community edition
is free) ?
here are the features: https://about.gitlab.com/features/#compare

MediaWiki: a custom bootstrap skin can be used which will match the
website. It is optional because many people are habituated with the old
one.   link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:BootStrapSkin

main website: At the time of applying for GSOC I made a mockup which can be
seen here:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016/Redesign_and_recreate_sugarlabs_web_appearance
I have also listed the problems in the current web page and how it can be
solved please take a look.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Gonzalo

Could you help explain this? :)

On 18 April 2016 at 19:33, James Cameron  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 06:37:49PM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> >
> > On 18 April 2016 at 17:48, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> > [2]help.sugarlabs.org
> >
> > How is this generated?
>
> Don't know.  If I needed to know, I'd ask Gonzalo.
>
> My guess is that the help-activity repository is cloned, or a clone
> updated, then "make html" is run, then the generated output is exposed
> to an httpd which is bound as a virtual host to a CNAME.
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help/Contribute
> or
> https://github.com/godiard/help-activity
> might be good places to write this up once it is known again.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 06:37:49PM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> 
> On 18 April 2016 at 17:48, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
>         [2]help.sugarlabs.org
> 
> How is this generated?

Don't know.  If I needed to know, I'd ask Gonzalo.

My guess is that the help-activity repository is cloned, or a clone
updated, then "make html" is run, then the generated output is exposed
to an httpd which is bound as a virtual host to a CNAME.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help/Contribute
or
https://github.com/godiard/help-activity
might be good places to write this up once it is known again.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 18 April 2016 at 18:21, Sam P.  wrote:

> Content is genuinely the most important.  No matter how nice your design
> is, no new visitor will be able to get what sugarlabs is by looking at your
> site - it simply doesn't say it!


I agree 100%, however, as I understood it, I think Juan Carlos and Sanchit
are proposing to rework the visual design of the existing content, not to
author new content.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 18 April 2016 at 15:04, Juan Carlos Murillo 
wrote:

>
> In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the Translation
> webpages, which other websites do you think will need to be redesigned?
>

I would prioritize/order them as: homepage, activities.sugarlabs.org, wiki,
lists, planet, translations, bugs

Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green or blue?
>

As I understand it - might be wrong - there isn't a single colour; the
brand guidelines specify that a range of colors are used in a consistent
pattern, and the brand identity is in the pattern.

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo

However, I think if there was to be one color, it would be the bright green
ones (to match the bright green of the XOs)

What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?
>

I think it would be good to use a material design scheme, with a the grey
scheme as primary, and the light green scheme as secondary.


> The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same color
> scheme on all websites may look nicer.
>

I agree


> Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?
>

I think the existing CMS for each site are fine:

homepage, jeykll (https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs)

activities.sugarlabs.org, mozilla addons

wiki, mediawiki

lists, mailman2

planet, planet

translations, pootle

bugs, trac

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Dave Crossland]

On 18 April 2016 at 17:48, James Cameron  wrote:

> help.sugarlabs.org
>

How is this generated?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Sam P.]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

Hello,

I tested your website in portrait on my phone.  Many of the text columns looked 
a little small.  Please try to test with that too.

When I went to your site, it seemed to be lacking in content.  Please don't add 
dummy text now and do content later.  Content is genuinely the most important.  
No matter how nice your design is, no new visitor will be able to get what 
sugarlabs is by looking at your site - it simply doesn't say it!

The pictures and design are only as important as they are good at pushing our 
message.  Please consider pushing a message - telling a story and having a 
conversation.

Thanks,
Sam

On 19 April 2016 7:50:12 AM AEST, Sanchit Bansal 
 wrote:
>Hey
>
>Can you guys take a looks at this and give me some feedback on the
>design :
>sanchitbansal.xyz/GSoC/
>
>Thanks a lot
>
>
>On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:18 AM, James Cameron 
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:04:19PM -0500, Juan Carlos Murillo wrote:
>> > Hi developers,
>> >
>> > I hope you are doing well.
>>
>> Fine thanks!
>>
>> > I applied for the GSoC 2016 to work on the redesign of the Sugar
>Lab’s
>> > websites. I would like to have your opinions on the following
>> > questions.
>>
>> A question not asked, for perhaps it is obvious, is who is the
>> intended audience for each web site.
>>
>> > In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the
>> > Translation webpages, which other websites do you think will need
>to
>> > be redesigned?
>>
>> You might ask systems@ for a list of virtual hosts.
>>
>> Some may benefit from style changes, if consistency of style is
>> critical;
>>
>> help.sugarlabs.org
>> socialhelp.sugarlabs.org
>> developer.sugarlabs.org
>>
>> There is old information about Sugar on wiki.laptop.org.  If you need
>> an account to remove or redirect on wiki.laptop.org, contact me.
>>
>> > Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green
>> > or blue?
>>
>> I don't think it matters.
>>
>> > What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?
>> > The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same
>> > color scheme on all websites may look nicer.
>>
>> I don't think it matters.
>>
>> > Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?
>>
>> No.  Something with git integration would be helpful so that
>> developers can link Sugar source code changes with changes to web
>> sites.  Otherwise a change might be made in only one place, leading
>to
>> inconsistency.
>>
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>
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>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Sanchit Bansal]

Hey

Can you guys take a looks at this and give me some feedback on the design :
sanchitbansal.xyz/GSoC/

Thanks a lot


On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 3:18 AM, James Cameron  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:04:19PM -0500, Juan Carlos Murillo wrote:
> > Hi developers,
> >
> > I hope you are doing well.
>
> Fine thanks!
>
> > I applied for the GSoC 2016 to work on the redesign of the Sugar Lab’s
> > websites. I would like to have your opinions on the following
> > questions.
>
> A question not asked, for perhaps it is obvious, is who is the
> intended audience for each web site.
>
> > In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the
> > Translation webpages, which other websites do you think will need to
> > be redesigned?
>
> You might ask systems@ for a list of virtual hosts.
>
> Some may benefit from style changes, if consistency of style is
> critical;
>
> help.sugarlabs.org
> socialhelp.sugarlabs.org
> developer.sugarlabs.org
>
> There is old information about Sugar on wiki.laptop.org.  If you need
> an account to remove or redirect on wiki.laptop.org, contact me.
>
> > Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green
> > or blue?
>
> I don't think it matters.
>
> > What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?
> > The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same
> > color scheme on all websites may look nicer.
>
> I don't think it matters.
>
> > Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?
>
> No.  Something with git integration would be helpful so that
> developers can link Sugar source code changes with changes to web
> sites.  Otherwise a change might be made in only one place, leading to
> inconsistency.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:04:19PM -0500, Juan Carlos Murillo wrote:
> Hi developers,
> 
> I hope you are doing well.

Fine thanks!

> I applied for the GSoC 2016 to work on the redesign of the Sugar Lab’s
> websites. I would like to have your opinions on the following
> questions.

A question not asked, for perhaps it is obvious, is who is the
intended audience for each web site.

> In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the
> Translation webpages, which other websites do you think will need to
> be redesigned?

You might ask systems@ for a list of virtual hosts.

Some may benefit from style changes, if consistency of style is
critical;

help.sugarlabs.org
socialhelp.sugarlabs.org
developer.sugarlabs.org

There is old information about Sugar on wiki.laptop.org.  If you need
an account to remove or redirect on wiki.laptop.org, contact me.

> Which Sugar Lab’s logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green
> or blue?

I don't think it matters.

> What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab’s websites?
> The current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same
> color scheme on all websites may look nicer.

I don't think it matters.

> Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?

No.  Something with git integration would be helpful so that
developers can link Sugar source code changes with changes to web
sites.  Otherwise a change might be made in only one place, leading to
inconsistency.

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[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

[Juan Carlos Murillo]

Hi developers,

I hope you are doing well.

I applied for the GSoC 2016 to work on the redesign of the Sugar Lab's
websites. I would like to have your opinions on the following questions.

In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the Translation
webpages, which other websites do you think will need to be redesigned? 

Which Sugar Lab's logo color is going to be adopted: orange, green or blue?
What color schemes would you prefer to use on Sugar Lab's websites? The
current websites have a wide variety of color schemes; a same color scheme
on all websites may look nicer. 

Do you prefer a particular CMS? WordPress? Drupal? Joomla?

 

Best regards,

Juan Carlos Murillo Torres

 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set

[Lionel Laské]

Hi Shirsh,

Just sent to you a PR on the French localization.
I've opened too some issues.

Best regards from France.

   Lionel.


2016-03-31 4:45 GMT+02:00 Shirsh Zibbu <zibs.shi...@gmail.com>:

> Sir.
>
> Here is the link to my repo:
> https://github.com/zhirzh/sugarizer-activity-moon
> I apologize for not replying earlier.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Lionel Laské <lio...@olpc-france.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Shirsh,
>>
>> It need some changes in French.
>> I'll be pleased to fix it. Tell me where is your repo, I'll send you a PR.
>> I'll be pleased too to integrate it in Sugarizer.
>>
>> Best regards from France.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2016-03-28 13:26 GMT+02:00 <sugar-devel-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org>:
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:41:05 +0530
>>> From: Shirsh Zibbu <zibs.shi...@gmail.com>
>>> To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> Subject: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> canv4pe7_eptmfvbjey++1+ydkizbk+i8p3e0gojd7iqbu5-...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>> Recently, I have been working on translation for Sugarizer activity moon
>>> <
>>> http://t.sidekickopen04.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs4WrKXjN8q-6Y2dnqP2VRzDdF56dC9ff6Yjdzx02?t=https%3A%2F%2Fzhirzh.github.io%2Fsugarizer-activity-moon%2F=5100779840208896=631b3d7c-6866-45fe-b3e4-61dd4736a20b
>>> >
>>> and have implemented basic feature. I got the translations from google
>>> translate, but I am unsure of its correctness.
>>>
>>> Can someone confirm if the translations are correct?
>>> If they are wrong, please provide with the correct translation.
>>>
>>> To change language, open console (press Ctrl + Shift + I) and type in:
>>>
>>> > l10n.language.code = 'fr'
>>>
>>>
>>> To switch to english
>>>
>>> > l10n.language.code = 'en'
>>> >
>>> -- next part --
>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>> URL: <
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>>> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set

[Shirsh Zibbu]

Sir.

Here is the link to my repo:
https://github.com/zhirzh/sugarizer-activity-moon
I apologize for not replying earlier.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Lionel Laské <lio...@olpc-france.org>
wrote:

>
> Hi Shirsh,
>
> It need some changes in French.
> I'll be pleased to fix it. Tell me where is your repo, I'll send you a PR.
> I'll be pleased too to integrate it in Sugarizer.
>
> Best regards from France.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
> 2016-03-28 13:26 GMT+02:00 <sugar-devel-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org>:
>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:41:05 +0530
>> From: Shirsh Zibbu <zibs.shi...@gmail.com>
>> To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> Subject: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> canv4pe7_eptmfvbjey++1+ydkizbk+i8p3e0gojd7iqbu5-...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hello.
>> Recently, I have been working on translation for Sugarizer activity moon
>> <
>> http://t.sidekickopen04.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs4WrKXjN8q-6Y2dnqP2VRzDdF56dC9ff6Yjdzx02?t=https%3A%2F%2Fzhirzh.github.io%2Fsugarizer-activity-moon%2F=5100779840208896=631b3d7c-6866-45fe-b3e4-61dd4736a20b
>> >
>> and have implemented basic feature. I got the translations from google
>> translate, but I am unsure of its correctness.
>>
>> Can someone confirm if the translations are correct?
>> If they are wrong, please provide with the correct translation.
>>
>> To change language, open console (press Ctrl + Shift + I) and type in:
>>
>> > l10n.language.code = 'fr'
>>
>>
>> To switch to english
>>
>> > l10n.language.code = 'en'
>> >
>> -- next part --
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: <
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/attachments/20160328/6064980b/attachment-0001.html
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set

[Lionel Laské]

Hi Shirsh,

It need some changes in French.
I'll be pleased to fix it. Tell me where is your repo, I'll send you a PR.
I'll be pleased too to integrate it in Sugarizer.

Best regards from France.

   Lionel.


2016-03-28 13:26 GMT+02:00 <sugar-devel-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org>:

>
> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:41:05 +0530
> From: Shirsh Zibbu <zibs.shi...@gmail.com>
> To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set
> Message-ID:
> <
> canv4pe7_eptmfvbjey++1+ydkizbk+i8p3e0gojd7iqbu5-...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello.
> Recently, I have been working on translation for Sugarizer activity moon
> <
> http://t.sidekickopen04.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs4WrKXjN8q-6Y2dnqP2VRzDdF56dC9ff6Yjdzx02?t=https%3A%2F%2Fzhirzh.github.io%2Fsugarizer-activity-moon%2F=5100779840208896=631b3d7c-6866-45fe-b3e4-61dd4736a20b
> >
> and have implemented basic feature. I got the translations from google
> translate, but I am unsure of its correctness.
>
> Can someone confirm if the translations are correct?
> If they are wrong, please provide with the correct translation.
>
> To change language, open console (press Ctrl + Shift + I) and type in:
>
> > l10n.language.code = 'fr'
>
>
> To switch to english
>
> > l10n.language.code = 'en'
> >
> -- next part --
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/attachments/20160328/6064980b/attachment-0001.html
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set

[Shirsh Zibbu]

Hello.
Recently, I have been working on translation for Sugarizer activity moon

and have implemented basic feature. I got the translations from google
translate, but I am unsure of its correctness.

Can someone confirm if the translations are correct?
If they are wrong, please provide with the correct translation.

To change language, open console (press Ctrl + Shift + I) and type in:

> l10n.language.code = 'fr'


To switch to english

> l10n.language.code = 'en'
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal: TurtleConfusion and FlagsJS

[erick omar sanhueza valenzuela]

Hello,

I introduce myself and my proposal. My name is Erick Sanhueza and study 
bioinformatics in Talca, Chile.
I want to participate in this year GSoC and I just finished my proposal, the 
porting of Turtle Confusion and FlagsJS, but I need the opinion of two members 
about the impact of both project on the Sugar Labs community.

I hope that some of you can help me.

Regards
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Rohan Mahajan]

Yes, it is.

All the best.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Shirsh Zibbu]

OK. Got it.

Now that I think about it, it's pretty obvious.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Rohan Mahajan 
wrote:

> Hello Shirsh,
>
> I understand that you should submit a PDF file of the proposal you have
> created to the GSOC site.
>
> Wiki link, I suppose is for the Sugar community to peruse and the official
> proposal is what will be counted as final.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Rohan Mahajan]

Hello Shirsh,

I understand that you should submit a PDF file of the proposal you have
created to the GSOC site.

Wiki link, I suppose is for the Sugar community to peruse and the official
proposal is what will be counted as final.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Shirsh Zibbu]

As I have mentioned in my previous mail, I have written the wiki page. What
I do not understand is the part in google proposal where it says


> Submit Your Final Proposal
> Upload a *final PDF* which Sugar Labs will see after the deadline.



Also, Walter sir said the same thing:


> Please upload your proposal on the google site.
> as a PDF...
>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Sanchit Bansal <
sanchit.bansal_u...@ashoka.edu.in> wrote:

> I suggest you guys mail at memb...@sugarlabs.com and ask them to make a
> wiki account for you and then start working on the proposal on Google docs
> as the time left is hardly 25 hours.
> On 24-Mar-2016 8:22 pm, "Love Mehta"  wrote:
>
>> I too have the same question.
>> On Mar 24, 2016 8:06 PM, "Shirsh Zibbu"  wrote:
>>
>>> How should I proceed with the GSoC proposal on google's website?
>>>
>>> I have created the wiki page
>>> 
>>>  for
>>> my proposal, as requested. But on google's website, they require a *google
>>> doc* or a document on some other link.
>>> Should I use the wiki link as the Draft link?
>>>
>>> Please help.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Sanchit Bansal]

I suggest you guys mail at memb...@sugarlabs.com and ask them to make a
wiki account for you and then start working on the proposal on Google docs
as the time left is hardly 25 hours.
On 24-Mar-2016 8:22 pm, "Love Mehta"  wrote:

> I too have the same question.
> On Mar 24, 2016 8:06 PM, "Shirsh Zibbu"  wrote:
>
>> How should I proceed with the GSoC proposal on google's website?
>>
>> I have created the wiki page
>> 
>>  for
>> my proposal, as requested. But on google's website, they require a *google
>> doc* or a document on some other link.
>> Should I use the wiki link as the Draft link?
>>
>> Please help.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Love Mehta]

I too have the same question.
On Mar 24, 2016 8:06 PM, "Shirsh Zibbu"  wrote:

> How should I proceed with the GSoC proposal on google's website?
>
> I have created the wiki page
> 
>  for
> my proposal, as requested. But on google's website, they require a *google
> doc* or a document on some other link.
> Should I use the wiki link as the Draft link?
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> Please help.
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Proposal

[Shirsh Zibbu]

How should I proceed with the GSoC proposal on google's website?

I have created the wiki page

for
my proposal, as requested. But on google's website, they require a *google
doc* or a document on some other link.
Should I use the wiki link as the Draft link?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2016 query regarding project : Redesign and recreate Sugar Labs webappearance

[James Cameron]

I agree with Sam; being able to try it out, and engaging new people,
are the critical goals.

The web site is http://sugarlabs.org/

The content should guide and inform people who have never heard of
Sugar or activities.

Other web sites have used HTML5 features and style sheets to make them
accessible on desktop, laptop, tablet, or phone browsers.  Good idea,
but not if it makes the site less accessible to environments where
Sugar is used; environments with low bandwidth internet.

Sugarizer might be used for try it out.  A prepared virtual machine
would be useful.  But without easy tools for preparing bootable
drives, trying it out on a computer is difficult.

The site has links to activities-2.sugarlabs.org, which currently
return 502 Bad Gateway from nginx.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 07:24:58AM +1100, Sam Parkinson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I didn't write the project idea, but I did argue with lots with people about
> the website before.
> 
> Really I think that it is not about how the website looks, it is about how the
> users experience the website.  So right now, we have a website with pictures
> right.  But we don't have easy tools to create sugar-on-a-stick liveusbs.  We
> don't have any evil email stealing things [1] that let's us put people through
> email series so that they become engaged with Sugar a convert from a random
> teacher/student using it to somebody involved in the community.  Maybe making 
> a
> better native app to do the sugar-on-a-stick creation, and creating an email
> mini-course that we introduce people to sugar with could be a great project?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sam
> 
> [1]  [1]https://www.mautic.org/
> 
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Neelansh garg  wrote:
> 
> hi, 
> i went through the Sugar labs Gsoc 2016 ideas page and want to contribute
> to the project "Redesign and recreate Sugar Labs webappearance ".
>
> if somebody can tell me more about the project and sites that will be
> redesigned it would be really helpful
> 
> Thanks 
> neelansh
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Neelansh garg <[2]neelan...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m Neelansh Garg. I am studying B.Tech computer science(2^nd year) at
> USIT (IP university ,Delhi). I have gone through the Sugar labs Gsoc
> 2016 ideas page and want to contribute to the project "Redesign and
> recreate Sugar Labs webappearance ".
> 
> I have a good knowledge of javascript, HTML, CSS, bootstrap and
> material design. I have completed web development course including
> javascript, html, css, Django, python.
> 
> currently implementing a smaller version of quora in django
> 
> I also did some other projects:
> 
>  1. 2048 game clone: [3]https://github.com/neelansh/2048
> 
>  2. Web crawler to download all the images form html and css of a
> webpage : [4]https://github.com/neelansh/
> CrawlerToGetImagesFromWebpages
> 
>  3. Gradebook.com : a site to show gradebook of university students
> using php and bootstrap : 
> [5]https://github.com/neelansh/Gradebook/
> 
> I would like to contribute to redisining and recreating sugar labs web
> appearence. Please tell me where should i get started
> 
> Please recommend things I should include in my GSOC 2016 proposal ?
> 
> and should i send a draft copy of proposal to you for review?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Neelansh (ircname = neelansh)
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] https://www.mautic.org/
> [2] mailto:neelan...@gmail.com
> [3] https://github.com/neelansh/2048
> [4] https://github.com/neelansh/CrawlerToGetImagesFromWebpages
> [5] https://github.com/neelansh/Gradebook/

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2016 query regarding project : Redesign and recreate Sugar Labs webappearance

[Sam Parkinson]

Hello,

I didn't write the project idea, but I did argue with lots with people 
about the website before.


Really I think that it is not about how the website looks, it is about 
how the users experience the website.  So right now, we have a website 
with pictures right.  But we don't have easy tools to create 
sugar-on-a-stick liveusbs.  We don't have any evil email stealing 
things [1] that let's us put people through email series so that they 
become engaged with Sugar a convert from a random teacher/student using 
it to somebody involved in the community.  Maybe making a better native 
app to do the sugar-on-a-stick creation, and creating an email 
mini-course that we introduce people to sugar with could be a great 
project?


Thanks,
Sam

[1]  https://www.mautic.org/

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Neelansh garg  
wrote:

hi,
i went through the Sugar labs Gsoc 2016 ideas page and want to 
contribute to the project "Redesign and recreate Sugar Labs 
webappearance ".


if somebody can tell me more about the project and sites that will be 
redesigned it would be really helpful


Thanks
neelansh

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Neelansh garg  
wrote:

Hi,

I’m Neelansh Garg. I am studying B.Tech computer science(2nd year) 
at USIT (IP university ,Delhi). I have gone through the Sugar labs 
Gsoc 2016 ideas page and want to contribute to the project "Redesign 
and recreate Sugar Labs webappearance ".


I have a good knowledge of javascript, HTML, CSS, bootstrap and 
material design. I have completed web development course including 
javascript, html, css, Django, python.


currently implementing a smaller version of quora in django

I also did some other projects:

2048 game clone: https://github.com/neelansh/2048

Web crawler to download all the images form html and css of a 
webpage : https://github.com/neelansh/CrawlerToGetImagesFromWebpages


 Gradebook.com : a site to show gradebook of university students 
using php and bootstrap : https://github.com/neelansh/Gradebook/


I would like to contribute to redisining and recreating sugar labs 
web appearence. Please tell me where should i get started

Please recommend things I should include in my GSOC 2016 proposal ?

and should i send a draft copy of proposal to you for review?

Thanks

Neelansh (ircname = neelansh)



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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2016

[Devin Ulibarri]

On Mon, 2016-03-07 at 14:02 +0530, yoshita arora wrote:
> I have had a look at all the links as suggested for the project, and
> there are certain things I wanted to clear:
> 
> 
> 1) Do I have to implement what's given in the proposal.txt file in
> "final" folder of "tempo"?
> 
I think that the GCI student wrote the said proposal.txt file.

(The file starts like this)
> For the UI of Music Blocks with the additional of the tempo feature...

The proposal here is less important than the main goal.

The main goal is to program the GCI student's implementation so that it exports 
the tempo the user experiences as a block in the main Music Blocks interface.

(have you tried the student's widget? It has bouncing balls and you can change 
the rate that they bounce [tempo]. What is missing is some way to export that 
tempo to music blocks code.)
> 
> 2) Also, could you please elaborate a bit more for where and what
> should I start implementing for "Rhythm" and the "pitch stairs"? What
> could be some possible bitsize tasks regarding these two that I could
> start implementing and could get familiar with the code base as soon
> as possible? 

I would recommend to start with rhythm rulers first.

User should start with:
1. a line (a whole note)
2. be able to dissect the line by a certain number (into x or y number
of parts to create half, quarter, sixteenth etc. notes).
3. be able to repeat the process.

(proportions should all have absolute visual fidelity [i.e. whole
is /exactly/ twice as long as half)

4. some method of audio playback (clicks or drums)
5. a way to export the result as music blocks code (rhythm blocks)

I imagine that you either want to start with:
a) implementing a simple UI of the rulers and dissection functionality
(click and prompt a number for division)
b) start with a back-end of audio playback and blocks export.

I hope this helps a little. The main design picture is the file
"rhythm-ruler-design.jpg"

Also, understand know next to *nothing* about coding... I am the music
guy!

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[Sugar-devel] GSOC 2016

[yoshita arora]

Hi,

I have been working through Sugar labs for a while now, I made a pull
request (#209) for the issue (#210) and working on it. Meanwhile, could you
please advice on what next should I implement, solve any simpler bug or
some other enhancement related tasks that would help me contribute fast and
get more familiar with the code base within the next two to three days.

Also, I was looking at the ideas page for GSOC 2016 and caught my eye on
"Music Widgets" as I have knowledge of HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Jquery and
Music Theory (passed the second grade keyboard exam). I want to start
contributing for the same as soon as possible.

I have had a look at all the links as suggested for the project, and there
are certain things I wanted to clear:

1) Do I have to implement what's given in the proposal.txt file in "final"
folder of "tempo"?

2) Also, could you please elaborate a bit more for where and what should I
start implementing for "Rhythm" and the "pitch stairs"? What could be some
possible bitsize tasks regarding these two that I could start implementing
and could get familiar with the code base as soon as possible?

Hoping for a positive response soon.

Best Regards,
Yoshita Arora
(yoshi2095).
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[Sugar-devel] GSOC 2016 aspirant

[Rehas Sachdeva]

Dear developers!

I am Rehas, studying at IIIT-Hyd, India, in 2nd year. I'm very interested
to work with Sugar and am interested in a number of ideas proposed this
time, particularly:

1) Unit Testing
2) Beyond Flashcards: Programming to ReadJS

I am proficient in Python, JavaScript, HTML, CSS.

Could you please guide me as to:

1) How I can get started and discuss some details of the above ideas.
2) What skills should I especially focus on if I'm interested in the above
ideas?
2) Additionally, pointing me to some small task I can get started with,
would be very helpful!

Thanks!
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[Sugar-devel] GSOC 2016 project

[Sneh Gupta]

Hello,
 My name is Sneh Gupta and I am 3rd year student in IIIT-Hyderabad. I 
am contributing to music blocks and turtle blocks from January. I am quite 
comfortable with javascript, python, html and CSS. I am very excited to 
participate GSOC. 

I used nutrition plugin and gone through its source code. I found it very 
interesting.I would like to take up the 'Nutrition' project that was mentioned 
on the ideas page for GSOC this year. Please help me getting started and give 
me a better understanding of this project.
Thanking You
Sneh Gupta
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Projects

[Utkarsh Tiwari]

Hi,
 I am Utkarsh Tiwari, a 3rd year student from JIIT, Noida (India).
I have been writing activities for Sugarlabs since February 2015 and
have submitted 7 activities till date.
Here is my developer profile ->
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/user/13555

I would like to work on Python projects this summer in GSoC 2016. I
have come across these two activities interesting on the idea page and
would like to get in flow with them.

1- Reflections
2- Sugar Journal

Could anyone here please share some details about what new features
are expected in them or whether both projects are manageable in 3
months time bracket?

regards,
Utkarsh Tiwari
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