Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
El Sat, 01-05-2010 a las 01:05 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard escribió: I would like to work with 0.84 and port to 0.90. At Paraguay Educa we've been also focusing a lot on 0.84 lately. However, I'm starting to worry the history will repeat once again: many deployments have been patching 0.82 with fixes and new features that were never upstreamed, making the transition to 0.84 much more painful that it would have been otherwise. Now we're trying to minimize the gap between development versions of Sugar and what deployments ship. The good news is that there should be pretty good activity compatibility across 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88. In Paraguay we're about to start a new development cycle to rebase the Fedora 11 builds on Sugar 0.88. Much of the stabilization effort of the 0.84 cycle actually went into the OS and activities, so I'm quite optimist. I have read your bug #1969 and contacted a blind programmer to check the selected keys. We can write in the wiki a plan and work together with small patches. Great! Small patches have a higher potential to apply cleanly to both 0.84 and 0.90. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
El Wed, 28-04-2010 a las 17:14 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso escribió: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 16:25, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: There's interest from the people at La Rioja on this, how can we agree on a plan together and resource it? http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2010-April/005849.html Very good, indeed! Gonzalo, would you and your team like to take over this task for the 0.90 release cycle? In case you missed the original post of this thread: - Mensaje reenviado De: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Para: Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com Asunto: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI Fecha: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:25:16 -0400 Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1969 Being an important UI issue, we'd need a good discussion with the design team. Unfortunately, we cannot always follow existing Gnome conventions for keyboard shortcuts. For example, rename cannot be done with F2 because it's already used for the buddy view. -8--8--8--8--8- The Sugar UI should be 100% navigable without using a mouse. Besides being an accessibility issue, it's important for quick navigation, especially for users stuck with a broken XO touchpads. Some proposed changes: * Favorites view * Search should be enabled in the shell view * A caret should appear when the user starts to type * Non-matching activities should be grayed out * TAB should cycle through possible completions * Cursor keys should cycle through the icons * Journal * Cursor up/down should scroll a caret on the list * ENTER should open the selected item (Linux/Windows style) * Rename item: TBD (just type something?) * Go to proprieties: TBD (cursor right?) * Change volume: TBD * Unmount all hot pluggable devices: TBD * Activities list view * Should behave like the journal * Network Neighborhood * Similar to favorites view * Toolbars * There should be a key to move the focus to the toolbars (alt-space?) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
I would like to work with 0.84 and port to 0.90. I have read your bug #1969 and contacted a blind programmer to check the selected keys. We can write in the wiki a plan and work together with small patches. Gonzalo On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: El Wed, 28-04-2010 a las 17:14 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso escribió: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 16:25, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: There's interest from the people at La Rioja on this, how can we agree on a plan together and resource it? http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2010-April/005849.html Very good, indeed! Gonzalo, would you and your team like to take over this task for the 0.90 release cycle? In case you missed the original post of this thread: - Mensaje reenviado De: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Para: Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com Asunto: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI Fecha: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:25:16 -0400 Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1969 Being an important UI issue, we'd need a good discussion with the design team. Unfortunately, we cannot always follow existing Gnome conventions for keyboard shortcuts. For example, rename cannot be done with F2 because it's already used for the buddy view. -8--8--8--8--8- The Sugar UI should be 100% navigable without using a mouse. Besides being an accessibility issue, it's important for quick navigation, especially for users stuck with a broken XO touchpads. Some proposed changes: * Favorites view * Search should be enabled in the shell view * A caret should appear when the user starts to type * Non-matching activities should be grayed out * TAB should cycle through possible completions * Cursor keys should cycle through the icons * Journal * Cursor up/down should scroll a caret on the list * ENTER should open the selected item (Linux/Windows style) * Rename item: TBD (just type something?) * Go to proprieties: TBD (cursor right?) * Change volume: TBD * Unmount all hot pluggable devices: TBD * Activities list view * Should behave like the journal * Network Neighborhood * Similar to favorites view * Toolbars * There should be a key to move the focus to the toolbars (alt-space?) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ -- Gonzalo Odiard Responsable de Desarrollo Sistemas Australes ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 16:25, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: There's interest from the people at La Rioja on this, how can we agree on a plan together and resource it? http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2010-April/005849.html Regards, Tomeu http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1969 Being an important UI issue, we'd need a good discussion with the design team. Unfortunately, we cannot always follow existing Gnome conventions for keyboard shortcuts. For example, rename cannot be done with F2 because it's already used for the buddy view. -8--8--8--8--8- The Sugar UI should be 100% navigable without using a mouse. Besides being an accessibility issue, it's important for quick navigation, especially for users stuck with a broken XO touchpads. Some proposed changes: * Favorites view * Search should be enabled in the shell view * A caret should appear when the user starts to type * Non-matching activities should be grayed out * TAB should cycle through possible completions * Cursor keys should cycle through the icons * Journal * Cursor up/down should scroll a caret on the list * ENTER should open the selected item (Linux/Windows style) * Rename item: TBD (just type something?) * Go to proprieties: TBD (cursor right?) * Change volume: TBD * Unmount all hot pluggable devices: TBD * Activities list view * Should behave like the journal * Network Neighborhood * Similar to favorites view * Toolbars * There should be a key to move the focus to the toolbars (alt-space?) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
Hi Bernie The proposed keyboard shortcuts sound good. Maybe we can chat about the TBD items? Christian Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1969 Being an important UI issue, we'd need a good discussion with the design team. Unfortunately, we cannot always follow existing Gnome conventions for keyboard shortcuts. For example, rename cannot be done with F2 because it's already used for the buddy view. -8--8--8--8--8- The Sugar UI should be 100% navigable without using a mouse. Besides being an accessibility issue, it's important for quick navigation, especially for users stuck with a broken XO touchpads. Some proposed changes: * Favorites view * Search should be enabled in the shell view * A caret should appear when the user starts to type * Non-matching activities should be grayed out * TAB should cycle through possible completions * Cursor keys should cycle through the icons * Journal * Cursor up/down should scroll a caret on the list * ENTER should open the selected item (Linux/Windows style) * Rename item: TBD (just type something?) * Go to proprieties: TBD (cursor right?) * Change volume: TBD * Unmount all hot pluggable devices: TBD * Activities list view * Should behave like the journal * Network Neighborhood * Similar to favorites view * Toolbars * There should be a key to move the focus to the toolbars (alt-space?) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
El Wed, 28-04-2010 a las 08:48 -0700, Christian Marc Schmidt escribió: The proposed keyboard shortcuts sound good. Maybe we can chat about the TBD items? Sure, ping me any time on #sugar. I'm in GMT+4 currently, same TZ as Boston. Or would you rather have a full-blown Design Team meeting? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Keyboard navigability of the Sugar UI
Today I filed a bug to keep track of an issue that has been bothering me for a long time: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1969 Being an important UI issue, we'd need a good discussion with the design team. Unfortunately, we cannot always follow existing Gnome conventions for keyboard shortcuts. For example, rename cannot be done with F2 because it's already used for the buddy view. -8--8--8--8--8- The Sugar UI should be 100% navigable without using a mouse. Besides being an accessibility issue, it's important for quick navigation, especially for users stuck with a broken XO touchpads. Some proposed changes: * Favorites view * Search should be enabled in the shell view * A caret should appear when the user starts to type * Non-matching activities should be grayed out * TAB should cycle through possible completions * Cursor keys should cycle through the icons * Journal * Cursor up/down should scroll a caret on the list * ENTER should open the selected item (Linux/Windows style) * Rename item: TBD (just type something?) * Go to proprieties: TBD (cursor right?) * Change volume: TBD * Unmount all hot pluggable devices: TBD * Activities list view * Should behave like the journal * Network Neighborhood * Similar to favorites view * Toolbars * There should be a key to move the focus to the toolbars (alt-space?) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
