Re: [Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[James Cameron]

Good question, Tony.  It is for developers.  Self-serving.

I don't agree with the project at all.  I think it is make-work.  It
doesn't help the children that Sugar is focused on.

None of the mentors have made ongoing or material contributions to our
existing developer documentation.  Very few of them have made
contributions to Sugar or Sugarizer.

Still, I'd be happy to see it succeed, but the risks I've mentioned
before are significant, and such ambitious plans require good
evidence.

The proposal is well formatted and clear.  It's just the project
itself which seems improbable.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 02:41:16PM +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
> Is this a 'beginner' in the community of developers or a beginning user of
> Sugar?
> 
> Tony
> 
> On Monday, 26 March, 2018 09:09 AM, Pratul Kumar wrote:
> 
> *Hello,
> Thanks for the guidance, reviews and feedbacks.
> 
> Kindly help me with the answer to one of the questions of "You and
> Community".
> 
> Question:  If your project is successfully completed, what will its impact
> be on the Sugar Labs community? Give 3 answers, each 1-3 paragraphs in
> length. The first one should be yours. The other two should be answers 
> from
> members of the Sugar Labs community, at least one of whom should be a 
> Sugar
> Labs GSoC mentor. Provide email contact information for non-GSoC mentors.
> [1]https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
>
> 
> Thanks,
> Pratul Kumar
> 
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Pratul Kumar 
> <[2]pratulkumar1...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> 
> *
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for providing feedback and guiding me in the right direction.
> I have worked on it and tried to add them and make things bit more
> refined.
> 
> [3]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-
> RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Kindly have a look at it and if there is something which can be
> improved, kindly let me know,
> I will be more than happy to work on it.
> 
> Regards,
> Pratul Kumar
> 
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:02 PM, James Cameron <[4]qu...@laptop.org>
> wrote:
> 
> G'day Pratul,
> 
> Thanks for the opportunity to comment on your draft proposal.
> 
> Your proposal suffers from lack of measurable controls for risks. 
> In
> general, you've added responses to the risks which are mostly
> either
> aspirational, hopeful, or procedural.  Some of the responses don't
> address the risks.
> 
> For reference, here is what I had previously written on these
> risks;
> 
> [5]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/
> 055030.html
> 
> Please do not use HTML for the beginner guide.  Instead, please 
> use
> Markdown.  Markdown has a wider audience of authors.  HTML should
> be
> generated automatically.
> 
> Please consider better controls for risk #3.  My post on 14th
> February
> gave some ideas.  Just claiming that you'd like to keep working on
> the
> project after GSoC ... doesn't seem probable.  It is aspirational.
>
> --
> James Cameron
> [6]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>
> 
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>
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> University
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> 
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> University
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> References:
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> [1] 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
> [2] mailto:pratulkumar1...@gmail.com
> [3] 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
> [4] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> [5] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html
> [6] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> [7] https://www.linkedin.com/in/pratul1997/
> [8] https://github.com/Pratul1997
> [9] https://www.linkedin.com/in/pratul1997/
> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[Tony Anderson]

Is this a 'beginner' in the community of developers or a beginning user 
of Sugar?


Tony


On Monday, 26 March, 2018 09:09 AM, Pratul Kumar wrote:

Hello,
Thanks for the guidance, reviews and feedbacks.

Kindly help me with the answer to one of the questions of "You and 
Community".


Question: If your project is successfully completed, what will its 
impact be on the Sugar Labs community? Give 3 answers, each 1-3 
paragraphs in length. The first one should be yours. The other two 
should be answers from members of the Sugar Labs community, at least 
one of whom should be a Sugar Labs GSoC mentor. Provide email contact 
information for non-GSoC mentors.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing


Thanks,
Pratul Kumar

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Pratul Kumar 
> wrote:


Hello,

Thanks for providing feedback and guiding me in the right direction.
I have worked on it and tried to add them and make things bit more
refined.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing



Kindly have a look at it and if there is something which can be
improved, kindly let me know,
I will be more than happy to work on it.

Regards,
Pratul Kumar

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:02 PM, James Cameron > wrote:

G'day Pratul,

Thanks for the opportunity to comment on your draft proposal.

Your proposal suffers from lack of measurable controls for
risks.  In
general, you've added responses to the risks which are mostly
either
aspirational, hopeful, or procedural.  Some of the responses don't
address the risks.

For reference, here is what I had previously written on these
risks;

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html



Please do not use HTML for the beginner guide. Instead, please use
Markdown.  Markdown has a wider audience of authors.  HTML
should be
generated automatically.

Please consider better controls for risk #3.  My post on 14th
February
gave some ideas.  Just claiming that you'd like to keep
working on the
project after GSoC ... doesn't seem probable.  It is aspirational.

--
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/




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*Coursera*,* HKUST University
**Stanford* Scholar Internship,* Mozilla* Club Captain LNMIIT,
*Head of Developers* Group *HackerEarth*
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*Coursera*,* HKUST University
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[Pratul Kumar]

Hello,
Thanks for the guidance, reviews and feedbacks.

Kindly help me with the answer to one of the questions of "You and
Community".

Question:  If your project is successfully completed, what will its impact
be on the Sugar Labs community? Give 3 answers, each 1-3 paragraphs in
length. The first one should be yours. The other two should be answers from
members of the Sugar Labs community, at least one of whom should be a Sugar
Labs GSoC mentor. Provide email contact information for non-GSoC mentors.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing


Thanks,
Pratul Kumar

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Pratul Kumar 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks for providing feedback and guiding me in the right direction.
> I have worked on it and tried to add them and make things bit more refined.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-
> RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Kindly have a look at it and if there is something which can be improved,
> kindly let me know,
> I will be more than happy to work on it.
>
> Regards,
> Pratul Kumar
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:02 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
>
>> G'day Pratul,
>>
>> Thanks for the opportunity to comment on your draft proposal.
>>
>> Your proposal suffers from lack of measurable controls for risks.  In
>> general, you've added responses to the risks which are mostly either
>> aspirational, hopeful, or procedural.  Some of the responses don't
>> address the risks.
>>
>> For reference, here is what I had previously written on these risks;
>>
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html
>>
>> Please do not use HTML for the beginner guide.  Instead, please use
>> Markdown.  Markdown has a wider audience of authors.  HTML should be
>> generated automatically.
>>
>> Please consider better controls for risk #3.  My post on 14th February
>> gave some ideas.  Just claiming that you'd like to keep working on the
>> project after GSoC ... doesn't seem probable.  It is aspirational.
>>
>> --
>> James Cameron
>> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *​Pratul Kumar | S**ophomore LNMIIT** | +91-8107525493*
>
> *GCI Mentor* SugarLabs*, Mentor* & Beta Tester at *Coursera*,
> * HKUST University**Stanford* Scholar Internship,* Mozilla* Club Captain
> LNMIIT, *Head of Developers* Group *HackerEarth*
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> Github]  
>
>


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[James Cameron]

Thanks, I've no further suggestions.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 08:45:32PM +0530, Pratul Kumar wrote:
> *
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for providing feedback and guiding me in the right direction.
> I have worked on it and tried to add them and make things bit more refined.
> 
> [1]https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Kindly have a look at it and if there is something which can be improved,
> kindly let me know,
> I will be more than happy to work on it.
> 
> Regards,
> Pratul Kumar
> 
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:02 PM, James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> G'day Pratul,
> 
> Thanks for the opportunity to comment on your draft proposal.
> 
> Your proposal suffers from lack of measurable controls for risks.  In
> general, you've added responses to the risks which are mostly either
> aspirational, hopeful, or procedural.  Some of the responses don't
> address the risks.
> 
> For reference, here is what I had previously written on these risks;
> 
> 
> [3]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html
> 
> Please do not use HTML for the beginner guide.  Instead, please use
> Markdown.  Markdown has a wider audience of authors.  HTML should be
> generated automatically.
> 
> Please consider better controls for risk #3.  My post on 14th February
> gave some ideas.  Just claiming that you'd like to keep working on the
> project after GSoC ... doesn't seem probable.  It is aspirational.
>
> --
> James Cameron
> [4]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> 
> --
> ​
> Pratul Kumar | Sophomore LNMIIT | +91-8107525493
> 
> GCI Mentor SugarLabs, Mentor & Beta Tester at Coursera, HKUST University
> Stanford Scholar Internship, Mozilla Club Captain LNMIIT, Head of
> Developers Group HackerEarth
>  _ [5]LinkedIn [s] [6]Github [s]  [s] 
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing
> [2] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> [3] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html
> [4] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> [5] https://www.linkedin.com/in/pratul1997/
> [6] https://github.com/Pratul1997

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[Pratul Kumar]

 Hello,

Thanks for providing feedback and guiding me in the right direction.
I have worked on it and tried to add them and make things bit more refined.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzn-ub8pBCQuz9-RfltzHqDZqY7uZ2xF77MFP_9fKzw/edit?usp=sharing

Kindly have a look at it and if there is something which can be improved,
kindly let me know,
I will be more than happy to work on it.

Regards,
Pratul Kumar

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:02 PM, James Cameron  wrote:

> G'day Pratul,
>
> Thanks for the opportunity to comment on your draft proposal.
>
> Your proposal suffers from lack of measurable controls for risks.  In
> general, you've added responses to the risks which are mostly either
> aspirational, hopeful, or procedural.  Some of the responses don't
> address the risks.
>
> For reference, here is what I had previously written on these risks;
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html
>
> Please do not use HTML for the beginner guide.  Instead, please use
> Markdown.  Markdown has a wider audience of authors.  HTML should be
> generated automatically.
>
> Please consider better controls for risk #3.  My post on 14th February
> gave some ideas.  Just claiming that you'd like to keep working on the
> project after GSoC ... doesn't seem probable.  It is aspirational.
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[James Cameron]

G'day Pratul,

Thanks for the opportunity to comment on your draft proposal.

Your proposal suffers from lack of measurable controls for risks.  In
general, you've added responses to the risks which are mostly either
aspirational, hopeful, or procedural.  Some of the responses don't
address the risks.

For reference, here is what I had previously written on these risks;

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055030.html

Please do not use HTML for the beginner guide.  Instead, please use
Markdown.  Markdown has a wider audience of authors.  HTML should be
generated automatically.

Please consider better controls for risk #3.  My post on 14th February
gave some ideas.  Just claiming that you'd like to keep working on the
project after GSoC ... doesn't seem probable.  It is aspirational.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
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[Sugar-devel] Review Request of GSoC Proposal: Making a Beginner Guide

[Pratul Kumar]

Hello Everyone,
I am Pratul Kumar, a sophomore at LNMIIT Jaipur.

After discussion with community members previously, I have drafted a
proposal with well-thought implementation workflow.

As I always believe that nothing in this world is perfect, there is always
a scope for improvement in everything.

I am eager to discuss much more about the proposal and your reviews and
feedback are vital and valuable for this project.

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2018/Making_a_Beginner_Guide

Regards,
Pratul Kumar
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