Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Hi Tymon, I think it's great you have stepped up to rework the sl.o website. Christian who designed the original pages had worked on a new framework a while back, but we got bogged down trying to find usable (both attractive and legal) visuals of kids using Sugar. I have a typographical suggestion - instead of WELCOME TO SUGARLABS it would be better to keep to the typographical guidelines (lowercase VAG Rounded Std Light). Don't forget the press page, the press releases chart (part of) the history of SL and if we have anything to announce of interest the press page is where newswire press releases point to (sugarlabs.org/press). cc'ing the marketing list if anyone is still on it. Sean On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, last week I was working with Walter Bender on new SugarLabs website, as current one is too old and doesn't have attractive UI. Results of our work is here: http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ New website is based on Bootstrap, with some plugins and self-written jQuery code. It uses Jekyll, so it doesn't need PHP anymore. We would like to ask you for opinions about this new website, for ideas what we can change/improve/add/fix. All suggestions are very welcome! Best, Tymon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: -- From: samsongo...@hotmail.com To: qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site http://www.projectmudra.com/. http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: qu...@laptop.org To: dwg...@gmail.com CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2]http:// people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list [7]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel References: [1] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon [2] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon [3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png [6] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:28:14PM -0800, Aaron Borden wrote: Very cool! The initial loading screen did seem a tad long but probably not noticeable to most people with a modern laptop like mine. I wonder if it's okay on an XO-1? XO-1 with a 14.1.0 test build, with Flash Plugin: - initial load and render of http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ was 48 seconds, with empty browser cache, - initial load and render of http://sugarlabs.org/ was 6 seconds, with empty browser cache, - subsequent load and render of http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ was 31 seconds, using already prepared browser cache, - subsequent load and render of http://sugarlabs.org/ was 5 seconds, using already prepared browser cache, - back or forward button page render of http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ was 14 seconds, - back or forward button page render of http://sugarlabs.org/ was 3.7 seconds. Hope that is useful data. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/ sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6] http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8]qu...@laptop.org To: [9]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- times.png [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6][16]http://quozl.linux.org.au
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Beside a gallery, what features is my version missing? My version is 100% based off yours, see the pull request I sent. On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just telling oh this is so slow... Good night :-) On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/ fpt/#!/csIQSO/ sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6] http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8]qu...@laptop.org To: [9]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- times.png [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just telling oh this is so slow... Good night :-) On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/ fpt/#!/csIQSO/ sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6] http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8]qu...@laptop.org To: [9]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- times.png [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I use FitText to make text being more responsive and stretch it in width div. I use also some additional jQuery code to take care about logos and website colors. I will take a look on your PR in a second. On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:06 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Beside a gallery, what features is my version missing? My version is 100% based off yours, see the pull request I sent. On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just telling oh this is so slow... Good night :-) On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/ fpt/#!/csIQSO/ sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6] http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8]qu...@laptop.org To: [9]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- times.png [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Unfortunately I can check only mobile view now, I will give you opinion tomorrow. Have a nice night! On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:08 Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: I use FitText to make text being more responsive and stretch it in width div. I use also some additional jQuery code to take care about logos and website colors. I will take a look on your PR in a second. On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:06 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: Beside a gallery, what features is my version missing? My version is 100% based off yours, see the pull request I sent. On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just telling oh this is so slow... Good night :-) On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P. sam.parkins...@gmail.com wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/ fpt/#!/csIQSO/ sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6] http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8]qu...@laptop.org To: [9]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-ti mes.png [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load -times.png
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for render only. But on your version, the video embedding element Google Code-In | Promotional video on Sugar is beyond the visible area, only the sugarlabs title on black background is visible. Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a rendering delay; 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds, 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds, Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site, then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds. Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra latency of HTTP over SSL (https). On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +, Sam P. wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? [1]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron [2]qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. [3]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), [4]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), [5]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). [6]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1][7]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/ csIQSO/ [8]sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2][9] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3][10]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4][11]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http:// www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7][13]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8][14]qu...@laptop.org To: [9][15]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10][16]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11][17]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12][18]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us... On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for render only. But on your version, the video embedding element Google Code-In | Promotional video on Sugar is beyond the visible area, only the sugarlabs title on black background is visible. Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a rendering delay; 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds, 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds, Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site, then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds. Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra latency of HTTP over SSL (https). On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +, Sam P. wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? [1]https://activities-2. sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron [2]qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. [3]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), [4]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), [5]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). [6]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1][7]http://tools.pingdom. com/fpt/#!/ csIQSO/ [8]sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2][9] samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3][10]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4][11]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http:// www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7][13]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8][14]qu...@laptop.org To: [9][15]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10][16]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11][17]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I do not see it as separate, I see it as a useful contest of ideas. That's what pull requests are for. In this case, it has provided a substantial load and render benefit. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:23:50AM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us... On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron [1]qu...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for render only. But on your version, the video embedding element Google Code-In | Promotional video on Sugar is beyond the visible area, only the sugarlabs title on black background is visible. Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a rendering delay; 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds, 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds, Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site, then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds. Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra latency of HTTP over SSL (https). On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +, Sam P. wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? [1][2]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/ www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron [2][3]qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. [3][4]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), [4][5]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), [5][6]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). [6][7]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1][7][8]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt /#!/ csIQSO/ [8][9]sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2][9] [10]samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3][10][11]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4][11][12]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http:// [13]www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Yeah, but his concept of UI is radical different than ours. We want to go bit more innovative. I dont have anything against PRs, but I think that's one created by him shouldn't be merged before our works finish. On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:27 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I do not see it as separate, I see it as a useful contest of ideas. That's what pull requests are for. In this case, it has provided a substantial load and render benefit. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:23:50AM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us... On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron [1]qu...@laptop.org wrote: Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for render only. But on your version, the video embedding element Google Code-In | Promotional video on Sugar is beyond the visible area, only the sugarlabs title on black background is visible. Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a rendering delay; 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds, 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds, Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site, then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds. Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra latency of HTTP over SSL (https). On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +, Sam P. wrote: I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version load faster @Quozl? [1][2]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/ www-sugarlabs/ On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron [2][3]qu...@laptop.org wrote: Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. [3][4]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), [4][5]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), [5][6]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). [6][7]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1][7][8]http://tools. pingdom.com/fpt /#!/ csIQSO/ [8][9]sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2][9] [10]samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━ ━ From: [3][10][11]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4][11][12]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
: ━━━ From: [3][10][11][12]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4][11][12][13]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/ she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http:// [13][14]www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7][13][14][15]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8][14][15][16]qu...@laptop.org To: [9][15][16][17]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10][16][17][18]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11][17][18][19]http:// sugarlabs.org/ ~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12][18][19][20]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] [19][20][21]qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14][20][21][22]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/ 2015-02-27/ tymon-load-times.png [5][15][21][22][23]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/ 2015-02-27/ original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6][16][22][23][24]http://quozl.linux.org.au
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/ implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1][7][8][9]http:// [10]tools.pingdom.com/fpt /#!/ csIQSO/ [8][9][10][11]sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2] [9] [10][11][12]samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3][10][11][12][13]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4][11][12][13][14]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/ she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12] http:// [13][14][15]www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7][13][14][15][16]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8][14][15][16][17]qu...@laptop.org To: [9][15][16][17][18]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10][16][17][18][19] sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11][17][18][19]http:// [20]sugarlabs.org/ ~tymon instead of [2
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds, (previously 31 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously 5 seconds), http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds, (previously 14 seconds). http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 seconds), My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render since last test on the XO-1. Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for comparison? Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you include those separate files into the main file? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. James Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade significant changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done some tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. Please take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/ sugarlabs.org/~tymon Again, waiting for your suggestions! Regards, Tymon pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy [2]samsongo...@hotmail.com napisał: ━━━ From: [3]samsongo...@hotmail.com To: [4]qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions /ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site [5][6]http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: [8]qu...@laptop.org To: [9]dwg...@gmail.com CC: [10]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2] http:// [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3][13] qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6][16]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list [7][17]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8][18]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel References: [1] [19]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon [2] [20]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon [3] mailto:[21]qu...@laptop.org [4] [22]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
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From: samsongo...@hotmail.com To: qu...@laptop.org Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web designer but the Activity Section is suppose to change. When i mean change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a good idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or some like this from this Project mudra site http://www.projectmudra.com/ it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down pattern. The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to this new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like the http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only suggesting. Best Regards Samson Goddy Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 From: qu...@laptop.org To: dwg...@gmail.com CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas! I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2]http:// people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3]qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list [7]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel References: [1] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon [2] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon [3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png [6] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
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Very cool! The initial loading screen did seem a tad long but probably not noticeable to most people with a modern laptop like mine. I wonder if it's okay on an XO-1? Is the code available somewhere? I checked sugarlab's github but didn't see it :) On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 05:02 -0800, Tymon Radzik dwg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, last week I was working with Walter Bender on new SugarLabs website, as current one is too old and doesn't have attractive UI. Results of our work is here: http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ New website is based on Bootstrap, with some plugins and self-written jQuery code. It uses Jekyll, so it doesn't need PHP anymore. We would like to ask you for opinions about this new website, for ideas what we can change/improve/add/fix. All suggestions are very welcome! Best, Tymon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aaron Borden Human and Hacker signature.asc Description: signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Hello, last week I was working with Walter Bender on new SugarLabs website, as current one is too old and doesn't have attractive UI. Results of our work is here: http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ New website is based on Bootstrap, with some plugins and self-written jQuery code. It uses Jekyll, so it doesn't need PHP anymore. We would like to ask you for opinions about this new website, for ideas what we can change/improve/add/fix. All suggestions are very welcome! Best, Tymon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no real difference. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +, Tymon Radzik wrote: Hello, please try to visit [1]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of [2]http:// people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron [3]qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: [4]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron [6]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list [7]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel References: [1] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon [2] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon [3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org [4] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png [5] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png [6] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!
Hello, please try to visit http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon instead of http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304 redirects. Thank you for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. Tymon czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron qu...@laptop.org napisał: It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console screenshots of query load times: http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and reduce the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify the network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive load times. The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, because there was not enough contrast between the text and the background. The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About section. The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with the surrounding page style. Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on history of Sugar, or the history of computing. Otherwise, good progress. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
