Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow
You got it all wrong. The question you should ask is that why is Sugar Labs organization and OLPC is using facebook and twitter? why create an account with them? for me, the reason is to boost the knowledge of what SugarLabs or OLPC is having e.g like a camp just like OLPC san francisco and the rest. Take a look at Ubuntu Community for a start same with KDE, Gnome and the rest they are very strong with the social media. If am not mistaken the social help is been use by sugar users what then happens to the non-sugar users?. Adding a link for a like button in our site only promote our facebook page and also so we can have a verified profile in other to reduce scam and the rest of social problems. I have been handling Sugar Labs facebook page so i know what i am saying. We have about 3 million users at Sugar OS? Are we going to stop at that number or get more users? facebook have more than 1.8 billion users, using facebook page only get us more users not all people knows about sugar. Getting more developers is good that why we participates in GCI and GSOC. the reasons why i wants the like button of both twitter and facebook is to get your Sugar Labs page verified like Ubuntu and Celebrity pages. now the benefit of that are: 1. Facebook gives you online live streaming: How does that concern sugar? for example OLPC SF workshop it can be stream live to other pontential users who can't afford coming to SF for the workshop they can just sit at home and watch this probably get kids to watch. 2. It attracts more users to the community via facebook page and twitter. 3. Q/A: how does that concern sugar?, users like me hate sending messages to facebook pages to ask for something about the brand(sugarOS). If there is Q/A its attracts more people to get to know Sugar Labs via facebook before getting the OS. 4. Security: Facebook or Twitter gives you access to news feeds in you wall, Facebook should be able to know what i am saying. 5. Locations matters: So we can know who our users are into other to make them understand sugar e.g localizing languages. Note: we just have about 600 people on our Facebook page and less than 700 on both our twitter accounts out of 3 million users. That is very poor and not encouraging. If you still think we still promotes this social networks, i suggest we take our facebook page down and twitter page too. And we will see how that is going to affect the community. Let us choice wisely, For me we are the only non-profit org. Falling backs when it comes to users. Take a look at our activity pages, click on popular activities. *weekly downloads is falling like the price of crude oil. You have to consider this factors From: sam@sam.today Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:35:49 + Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow To: samsongo...@hotmail.com; qu...@laptop.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com; wal...@sugarlabs.org Hi Samson, I think that you missed the point of what James said. Facebook engages in lots of tracking and questionable business practices, see the Stallman article on this subject [1]. Maybe adding a link could be acceptable (however do we want to send the message that we endorse facebook?), but I would be against adding a "like button" - which allows facebook to run whatever code they want on our page. Also, why do we want Q on Facebook? We already have social help, which is arguably a platform better suited to hosting discourse (infact it uses a software package called discourse which specialises in just that). Social help is also embedded in Sugar, whereas facebook is not. Even if facebook was a slightly better service for this, we are then allowing facebook control over our communications with our users. We are putting a lot of trust in an for-profit company, which produces non-free software (ethically opposite to Sugar) and allowing them to censor all of our communications with users. I'm not cool with that. Thanks, Sam [1] https://stallman.org/facebook.html On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:59 PM samson goddy <samsongo...@hotmail.com> wrote: Sure that it helps track users location to know where your followers are coming from. Also its enables Question and Answers, live streaming in case we have some related sugar workshop. Attracts users to your page. lots more features > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:44:57 +1100 > From: qu...@laptop.org > To: samsongo...@hotmail.com > CC: samparkins...@gmail.com; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; > sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow > > Interesting idea. > > What is the privacy impact? Will a content element like this make it > possible for Twitter or Facebook to track our visitors? Is that > tracking consistent with Sugar Labs own polici
Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow
Hi Samson, I think that you missed the point of what James said. Facebook engages in lots of tracking and questionable business practices, see the Stallman article on this subject [1]. Maybe adding a link could be acceptable (however do we want to send the message that we endorse facebook?), but I would be against adding a "like button" - which allows facebook to run whatever code they want on our page. Also, why do we want Q on Facebook? We already have social help, which is arguably a platform better suited to hosting discourse (infact it uses a software package called discourse which specialises in just that). Social help is also embedded in Sugar, whereas facebook is not. Even if facebook was a slightly better service for this, we are then allowing facebook control over our communications with our users. We are putting a lot of trust in an for-profit company, which produces non-free software (ethically opposite to Sugar) and allowing them to censor all of our communications with users. I'm not cool with that. Thanks, Sam [1] https://stallman.org/facebook.html On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:59 PM samson goddy <samsongo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sure that it helps track users location to know where your followers are > coming from. Also its enables Question and Answers, live streaming in case > we have some related sugar workshop. Attracts users to your page. lots more > features > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:44:57 +1100 > > From: qu...@laptop.org > > To: samsongo...@hotmail.com > > CC: samparkins...@gmail.com; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; > sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook > follow > > > > > Interesting idea. > > > > What is the privacy impact? Will a content element like this make it > > possible for Twitter or Facebook to track our visitors? Is that > > tracking consistent with Sugar Labs own policies on privacy? Will > > Sugar Labs have a contract with Twitter or Facebook, or is the > > relationship standard terms and conditions? > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:31:00AM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am letting the community to know that, I am seeking to get a > verified profile > > > for both of our account in twitter and facebook. It looks like one of > the steps > > > is embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow in our official > website in > > > order to get verified. So i am requesting the developers to enable > this on the > > > our home page and probably on the sugar labs wiki. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow
Sure that it helps track users location to know where your followers are coming from. Also its enables Question and Answers, live streaming in case we have some related sugar workshop. Attracts users to your page. lots more features > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:44:57 +1100 > From: qu...@laptop.org > To: samsongo...@hotmail.com > CC: samparkins...@gmail.com; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; > sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow > > Interesting idea. > > What is the privacy impact? Will a content element like this make it > possible for Twitter or Facebook to track our visitors? Is that > tracking consistent with Sugar Labs own policies on privacy? Will > Sugar Labs have a contract with Twitter or Facebook, or is the > relationship standard terms and conditions? > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:31:00AM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am letting the community to know that, I am seeking to get a verified > > profile > > for both of our account in twitter and facebook. It looks like one of the > > steps > > is embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow in our official website > > in > > order to get verified. So i am requesting the developers to enable this on > > the > > our home page and probably on the sugar labs wiki. > > > > Thanks > > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow
Thanks for the response. My vote is also no; Sugar Labs should not give other organisations an unrestricted and unreviewed code execution path for machines under the control of children, parents, or teachers. Not even OLPC has that right. Sugar Labs always reviews code contributions from OLPC in comprehensive detail. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:19:15PM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > You got it all wrong. The question you should ask is that why is Sugar Labs > organization and OLPC is using facebook and twitter? why create an account > with them? for me, the reason is to boost the knowledge of what SugarLabs or > OLPC is having e.g like a camp just like OLPC san francisco and the rest. Take > a look at Ubuntu Community for a start same with KDE, Gnome and the rest they > are very strong with the social media. If am not mistaken the social help is > been use by sugar users what then happens to the non-sugar users?. Adding a > link for a like button in our site only promote our facebook page and also so > we can have a verified profile in other to reduce scam and the rest of social > problems. I have been handling Sugar Labs facebook page so i know what i am > saying. > > We have about 3 million users at Sugar OS? Are we going to stop at that > number > or get more users? facebook have more than 1.8 billion users, using facebook > page only get us more users not all people knows about sugar. Getting more > developers is good that why we participates in GCI and GSOC. the reasons why > i > wants the like button of both twitter and facebook is to get your Sugar Labs > page verified like Ubuntu and Celebrity pages. now the benefit of that are: > > 1. Facebook gives you online live streaming: How does that concern sugar? for > example OLPC SF workshop it can be stream live to other pontential users who > can't afford coming to SF for the workshop they can just sit at home and watch > this probably get kids to watch. > > 2. It attracts more users to the community via facebook page and twitter. > > 3. Q/A: how does that concern sugar?, users like me hate sending messages to > facebook pages to ask for something about the brand(sugarOS). If there is Q/A > its attracts more people to get to know Sugar Labs via facebook before > getting > the OS. > > 4. Security: Facebook or Twitter gives you access to news feeds in you wall, > Facebook should be able to know what i am saying. > > 5. Locations matters: So we can know who our users are into other to make them > understand sugar e.g localizing languages. > > Note: we just have about 600 people on our Facebook page and less than 700 on > both our twitter accounts out of 3 million users. That is very poor and not > encouraging. If you still think we still promotes this social networks, i > suggest we take our facebook page down and twitter page too. And we will see > how that is going to affect the community. Let us choice wisely, For me we are > the only non-profit org. Falling backs when it comes to users. Take a look at > our activity pages, click on popular activities. *weekly downloads is falling > like the price of crude oil. You have to consider this factors > > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > From: sam@sam.today > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:35:49 + > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow > To: samsongo...@hotmail.com; qu...@laptop.org; > sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com; wal...@sugarlabs.org > > Hi Samson, > > I think that you missed the point of what James said. Facebook engages in > lots > of tracking and questionable business practices, see the Stallman article on > this subject [1]. Maybe adding a link could be acceptable (however do we want > to send the message that we endorse facebook?), but I would be against adding > a > "like button" - which allows facebook to run whatever code they want on our > page. > > Also, why do we want Q on Facebook? We already have social help, which is > arguably a platform better suited to hosting discourse (infact it uses a > software package called discourse which specialises in just that). Social > help > is also embedded in Sugar, whereas facebook is not. Even if facebook was a > slightly better service for this, we are then allowing facebook control over > our communications with our users. We are putting a lot of trust in an > for-profit company, which produces non-free software (ethically opposite to > Sugar) and allowing them to censor all of our communications with users. I'm > not cool with that. > > Thanks, > Sam > > [1] [1]https://stallman.org/facebook.html > > On Tue, Jan
Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow
okay, i got a mail from Facebook and twitter page. There is another way of getting the account verified without embedding. I know understand it. Thanks > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:33:51 +1100 > From: qu...@laptop.org > To: samsongo...@hotmail.com > CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com; sam@sam.today; > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow > > Thanks for the response. > > My vote is also no; Sugar Labs should not give other organisations an > unrestricted and unreviewed code execution path for machines under the > control of children, parents, or teachers. > > Not even OLPC has that right. Sugar Labs always reviews code > contributions from OLPC in comprehensive detail. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:19:15PM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > > You got it all wrong. The question you should ask is that why is Sugar Labs > > organization and OLPC is using facebook and twitter? why create an account > > with them? for me, the reason is to boost the knowledge of what SugarLabs or > > OLPC is having e.g like a camp just like OLPC san francisco and the rest. > > Take > > a look at Ubuntu Community for a start same with KDE, Gnome and the rest > > they > > are very strong with the social media. If am not mistaken the social help is > > been use by sugar users what then happens to the non-sugar users?. Adding a > > link for a like button in our site only promote our facebook page and also > > so > > we can have a verified profile in other to reduce scam and the rest of > > social > > problems. I have been handling Sugar Labs facebook page so i know what i am > > saying. > > > > We have about 3 million users at Sugar OS? Are we going to stop at that > > number > > or get more users? facebook have more than 1.8 billion users, using facebook > > page only get us more users not all people knows about sugar. Getting more > > developers is good that why we participates in GCI and GSOC. the reasons > > why i > > wants the like button of both twitter and facebook is to get your Sugar Labs > > page verified like Ubuntu and Celebrity pages. now the benefit of that are: > > > > 1. Facebook gives you online live streaming: How does that concern sugar? > > for > > example OLPC SF workshop it can be stream live to other pontential users who > > can't afford coming to SF for the workshop they can just sit at home and > > watch > > this probably get kids to watch. > > > > 2. It attracts more users to the community via facebook page and twitter. > > > > 3. Q/A: how does that concern sugar?, users like me hate sending messages to > > facebook pages to ask for something about the brand(sugarOS). If there is > > Q/A > > its attracts more people to get to know Sugar Labs via facebook before > > getting > > the OS. > > > > 4. Security: Facebook or Twitter gives you access to news feeds in you wall, > > Facebook should be able to know what i am saying. > > > > 5. Locations matters: So we can know who our users are into other to make > > them > > understand sugar e.g localizing languages. > > > > Note: we just have about 600 people on our Facebook page and less than 700 > > on > > both our twitter accounts out of 3 million users. That is very poor and not > > encouraging. If you still think we still promotes this social networks, i > > suggest we take our facebook page down and twitter page too. And we will see > > how that is going to affect the community. Let us choice wisely, For me we > > are > > the only non-profit org. Falling backs when it comes to users. Take a look > > at > > our activity pages, click on popular activities. *weekly downloads is > > falling > > like the price of crude oil. You have to consider this factors > > > > ━━━ > > From: sam@sam.today > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:35:49 + > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow > > To: samsongo...@hotmail.com; qu...@laptop.org; > > sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; > > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwg...@gmail.com; wal...@sugarlabs.org > > > > Hi Samson, > > > > I think that you missed the point of what James said. Facebook engages in > > lots > > of tracking and questionable business practices, see the Stallman article on > > this subject [1]. Maybe adding a link could be acceptable (however do we > > want &
[Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow
Hello, I am letting the community to know that, I am seeking to get a verified profile for both of our account in twitter and facebook. It looks like one of the steps is embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow in our official website in order to get verified. So i am requesting the developers to enable this on the our home page and probably on the sugar labs wiki. Thanks ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow
Interesting idea. What is the privacy impact? Will a content element like this make it possible for Twitter or Facebook to track our visitors? Is that tracking consistent with Sugar Labs own policies on privacy? Will Sugar Labs have a contract with Twitter or Facebook, or is the relationship standard terms and conditions? On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:31:00AM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > Hello, > > I am letting the community to know that, I am seeking to get a verified > profile > for both of our account in twitter and facebook. It looks like one of the > steps > is embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow in our official website in > order to get verified. So i am requesting the developers to enable this on the > our home page and probably on the sugar labs wiki. > > Thanks -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
